YTSEJAM Digest 2310
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Grammys [NDTC]
by "Dalamar" <Dalamar@bee.net>
2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2307
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
3) Galactic tone.
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
4) Rush-No DTC
by Kiran Mooken <kmooken@chat.carleton.ca>
5) independent labels
by kenneth bradley darnell <kdarnell@students.uiuc.edu>
6) New FAQ update
by The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2309
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
8) attn: completists
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
9) DT EUROPE DATES !
by "D. Schoen" <denis.schoen@tip.nl>
10) Diablo on Battle.net
by sir@micron.net
11) Sorry about Jam 2309!
by MTeiper@aol.com
12) Re: DT EUROPE DATES !
by Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
13) Connect Meatloaf to DT
by Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au>
14) Atlanta venues for DT
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
15) Petition result?
by "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@ns.rdc.cl>
16) Re: Connect Meatloaf to DT
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@infinite.wezl.org>
17) meatloaf to dt
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
18) Has the petition been sent yet?
by "Jonathan Dery" <metropolis@net1plus.com>
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 14:24:40 -0500
From: "Dalamar" <Dalamar@bee.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Grammys [NDTC]
Message-ID: <19970301192500937.AAA89@dalamar>
One depressing thing you have to realise about the Grammy's is this:
All the nominations and voting is done by other people in the music
industry (namely musicians) So we can't really blame the public for the
outcome. I know several of my teachers of school vote for the Grammy's
(and I'd back their choices about 100% of the time....as for the rest of
the voters......)
Anyways, that's just my 2 cents.
-MalletMan
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 14:51:57 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2307
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970301144723.101356B-100000@elk.uvm.edu>
On Fri, 28 Feb 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
>
> The second official FIVRE concert!! My bands first show is this Saturday,
> but we recently booked some gigs at a local club opening for a few major
> acts, including Tony McAlpine, Sacred Reich, and Warrent. The only
> confirmed date though is Sat. March 22nd opening for.. (Drum Roll) E'Nuff
> Z'Nuff. Better start growing and teasing my hair... So if you live in
> Phoenix come see us, March 22nd at 7:00 PM at the Mason Jar (24th St. and
> Indian School).
YOU LUCKY FUCKING BASTARD! I would give my left nut to open up for
Warrant (not spelled Warrent). They're always really cool to opening
bands. In fact, they're always really cool period. Stick around for their
set. You'll be amazed what they can do to a crowd. And Enuff Z'nuff
also!! My God. You are leading a truly privleged existence.
Richie
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 13:14:56 -0700
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@u.arizona.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Galactic tone.
Message-ID: <199703012014.NAA42170@mustique.u.arizona.edu>
Anyone know how to get the galactic cowboy's heavy guitar tone. Equipment?
EQ settings? Thanks.
Peace be with you and God bless, ~Vince
(http://www.u.arizona.edu/~vgl)
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 97 15:54:18 EST
From: Kiran Mooken <kmooken@chat.carleton.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rush-No DTC
Message-ID: <199703012054.PAA28875@wabakimi.carleton.ca>
Since no one else has posted this, I decided that I would. A few days ago
Rush recieved the Order of Canada which is the highest award a civilian
can recieve. They won for their fundraising efforts and having raised $1
million dollars for charity.
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Kiran Mooken
-Living for tomorrow by remembering the past, today-
Email address: kmooken@chat.carleton.ca
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 15:14:01 -0600 (CST)
From: kenneth bradley darnell <kdarnell@students.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: independent labels
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970301150359.28938B-100000@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu>
Sometimes musicians have to make a choice between signing with a major
label and taking all the good and bad "stuff" together. One of the bad
things is that the record company has a lot of say about your music. You
are not completely free to do whatever you want with your music. But, on
the other hand, you do get more exposure than you would if you were on an
independent label. One of the great things about being on an independent
label is that you can do whatever you want with your music(for the most
part). It might behoove DT to sign with an independent label in the
future. They are not getting any exposure from the record company of
which they are a part right now anyway. Many DT fans are "die-hard" fans
anyway, they will but whatever the band puts out, regardless of the label
or exposure by the record company.
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 16:38:54 -0500 (EST)
From: The Digital Man <cmerlo@cs.uvm.edu>
To: "Ytse Fuckin' Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>, Voices <voices@arastar.com>
Cc: Progress <progress@ezekiel.enteract.com>
Subject: New FAQ update
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9703011600.C12769-0100000@griffin.emba.uvm.edu>
Hiya, kidz. The Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions List is now
newly-updated for March 1, 1997. Web link is below, and I'll be posting
it to alt.music.dream-theater shortly.
Question for you: do you think I should post the FAQ to
rec.music.progressive?
Oh, and let me know if you find anything wrong!
-Chris
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 17:20:04 -0500 (EST)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2309
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970301170140.78498A-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Sat, 1 Mar 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> I also VERY highly recommend R.A.M. Music from Milwaukee. They used
to advertise in Metal Edge or Metal Maniacs (I don't remember...). Very
> helpful on the phone and also very quick.
I have to disagree here. I've ordered a lot of stuff from R.A.M. The last
thing I ordered was "Mood Swings" by Harem Scarem. It took 4 fuckin'
months. Last year I ordered a Nelson import (laugh, if you dare) and it
took 3 months for that. I haven't been ripped off by them, but I don't
set my watch by them either.
---------and-------
When
> bands like Queensryche who had moderate sales on their 1st 3 albums
> comes out with a triple platinum album like Empire, the rec. co.
> thinks they can do it again. When QR didn't, the record company
> tells them to write something that will appeal to the new generation
> of listeners, even though QR doesn't want to..
I didn't see the show, so I don't know if QR was used as an actual
example or not, but this is not entirely true. Some bands are
contractually required to deliver a product to the label that meets
certain "artistic" requirements and the label has the right to say "cool"
or "back to the drawing board." But some bands (usually the ones with
more bargining power) have it in their contract that the music only has
to meet certain techincal requirements, meaning that regardless of
content, if the product is recorded well (ie, not in a basement with a
boom-box) then it is considered satisfactory. Of course, that doesn't
necessarily mean that the company has to release the album, but that's a
whole other can o'worms.
Take a reference from
> the show as to what happened to Peter Frampton. Look at Metallica.
> It makes me wonder if they actually enjoy the change in their
> lifestyles they had to make after making Load. They're different
> now.
This is not consistent with the theory you proposed above. The black
album was the most successful album in Metallica's history, and all the
albums leading up to it (if I'm not mistaken) show a remarkable sales
increase. Therefore, it would stand to reason that the band is actually
enjoying Load since it is not trying to follow-up a flop. That, plus the
fact that over the summer Metallica was having HUGE problems with
Elektra, according to Metal Edge, leads me to believe that their contract
was renegotiated so that Elektra wouldn't loose a cash-cow like
Metallica. And I'm sure one of the points in the new contract would be to
knock down as many artistic restrictions as possible.
Richie
P.S. As far as this "Turning Point"-thing goes, what network was it on?
I'm hoping to go to their web site and check out a transcription of the
show, if available.
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Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 14:47:56 -0800
From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com
Subject: attn: completists
Message-ID: <199703012247.OAA00179@ms.kallback.com>
Hi,
I just got back from the Rock & Roll Swap Meet (highlites were a guest
appearance
of Mr. White( Yes drummer), and free samples of B&J's newest flavor, "Phish
Food"
(yes, named after the band) and found some stuff that I hope some of you
want/need.
These are all promos in good condition
Promo cd 5807-2 Lie-(5:02)
Digipak, eye in clock art on
cover, purple Maj
logo on cd, band photo on back
and inside cover
Promo cd 5965-2 Caught in a Web-1. Edit (4:09)
2. Album Version (5:28)
Jewel Case-Tarantula on cover
and back, band photo on cd
Promo cd 5966 Caught in a Web-1. Edit (4:58) (different edit
than above)
2. Album Version (5:28)
Jewel Case-No cover/art/band
pics
Promo cd 9117-2 The Silent Man (3:48)-
Jewel Case-bullet hole photo on
front, band in studio on back
Band pic inside cover, gold maj
logo on cd.
offers to trevorw@kallback.com
Scott Rock's actual drum set used on Empire album and tour-includes
everything
$5995.00 -(I didn't buy it but I can let you know where to get it)
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 15:38:07 +-100
From: "D. Schoen" <denis.schoen@tip.nl>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT EUROPE DATES !
Message-ID: <01BC269E.9C9DB240@utrecht56.pop.tip.nl>
Hello Jammers !
Good News For The German, Italien and Dutch Dream-heads !
I 've just got an e-mail from MP, In which he annouces 3 (THREE !!) upcoming DT shows in Holland:
Here's an excerpt from his mail:
*****
While we're waiting to get the album started, we've decided to come over to
Europe and do a few very special, one-off shows (like we did here in the U.S.
in December)
to thank the fans for being patient and to preview some of the new
material!!!!!
There will be one show in Italy and possibly a few in Germany
and 3 shows in Holland!!!!!
They are:
Monday April 14th - Melkweg in Amsterdam
Tuesday April 15th and Wednesday April 16th - NoorderLight in Tilburg
*****
Is this good news, or what ?!
More news later !!!!!
Denis Schoen/ Theater Of Dreams -Holland
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 17:24:55 -0700
From: sir@micron.net
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Diablo on Battle.net
Message-ID: <199703020025.RAA13683@snowden.micron.net>
With the recovering state of the jam taking place, just thought I'd furthur
the cause by saying that anyone who wants to play a friendly game of Diablo
over battle.net can usually find me in diablo retail 1, the trading post,
or one of the the lounges. just type /whois woot to find out.
also, the *****************game: Ytsejam password: Majesty
***************** is where i tend to be at if you want to drop in. if i'm
not in it, just create it and anyone who has read this knows where to go
for a friendly game. cya and happy killing!
woot
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 22:40:57 -0500 (EST)
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Sorry about Jam 2309!
Message-ID: <970301224056_719237405@emout06.mail.aol.com>
Hi folks,
I wanted to apologize to you all for the crappy layout of my post in
YtseJam 2309. Didn't mean for it to be so difficult to read. I guess that's
what I get for f*king up and using hard carriage returns in my E-Mail
message!!! %-)
C-Ya.... Matt T.
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Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 20:09:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Tymoteusz Altman <altman@sfu.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT EUROPE DATES !
Message-ID: <199703020409.UAA24543@fraser>
> *****
> While we're waiting to get the album started, we've decided to come over to
> Europe and do a few very special, one-off shows (like we did here in the U.S.
> in December)
> to thank the fans for being patient and to preview some of the new
> material!!!!!
>
> There will be one show in Italy and possibly a few in Germany
> and 3 shows in Holland!!!!!
> They are:
> Monday April 14th - Melkweg in Amsterdam
> Tuesday April 15th and Wednesday April 16th - NoorderLight in Tilburg
>
> *****
> Is this good news, or what ?!
i think this is bad news! i'm happy for the european jammers who will
get to see DT, but these dates mean DT won't be in the studio til
AT LEAST second half of april! it's looking more and more like this album
won't be released in '97 :(
tim
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Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 15:46:02 -0800
From: Eddy M <edrock@connexus.apana.org.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Connect Meatloaf to DT
Message-ID: <331A113A.6F75@connexus.apana.org.au>
Any takers ??
Eddy
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Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 01:22:46 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Atlanta venues for DT
Message-ID: <199703020922.AA04128@crl2.crl.com>
Atlanta is now considered a "venue-poor" city despite (and maybe
because of) the Olympic Games. Anyway.....
Best venue if the album does well: The Fox Theater (yes, it is
spelled correctly in Real Life :)) Capacity 4,500, good
acoustics, classiest venue in this burg.
Alternates: Atlanta Civic Center, cap. c. 4,000, actually a nice
facility but it is apparently a union hall.
International Ballroom: capacity variable (the entire stage
moves). 1,500, 3,500 or 5,000. Very casual venue, poor
acoustics, much-improved facilities; due to a change in ownership the
venue may no longer be booking mainstream rock shows.
Best venue if the album does so-so or poorly:
The Roxy Theater, capacity 2,000. Can be configured for seating
or general-admission, fair amount of class, good acoustics.
Alternates:
The Variety Playhouse, cap. c. 500 I think. Fair amount of
class, good acoustics.
The Point: this is a small room, too small for DT unless
the album completely bombs, but it's well-respected in the city.
Capacity c. 200.
The Cotton Club: capacity c. 500, basically a large bar, but
well-regarded in town.
Atlanta Symphony Hall: capacity c. 500. Not normally booked for
rock shows but Dead Can Dance played there recently. whoo-hoo!
The Masquerade: capacity c. 800. Rotten acoustics and poor band
facilities (as DT will no doubt remember). Bad staff attitudes
too. Not recommended.
The Center Stage, where DT played on one visit during the I&W tour, is
no longer operating as a regular venue.
Larger venues (yea, suure). The Omni will be a hole in the ground
during DT's likely touring period, but if the CD keeps getting
delayed, maybe they can play in the new basketball venue being built
there, scheduled to open c. 1999. :)
Lakewood Amphitheater, capacity c. 19,000, not available in winter.:)
-- +-- I never bared my emotions ---+ Dream Theater +- Paul W. Cashman ---+ | My passion always strong | "Scarred" | vanyel@crl.com | | I never lost my devotion <-+-> CD: Awake | pellaz@dreamt.org | + But somewhere fate went wrong -+----- http://www.crl.com/~vanyel ----+------------------------------
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:27:04 -0300 (CDT) From: "Miguel Farah F." <miguel@ns.rdc.cl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Petition result? Message-ID: <199703021827.PAA02824@ns.rdc.cl>
So, how many people signed on the petition for the new DT album?
-- MIGUEL FARAH \ GCS/O d-(pu) s++:+>++: a25 C++ UL+>L++++ miguel@webhost.cl / P+ L>++ E--- W++ N+++ o+ K+++ w--(+) !O mfarah@puc.cl \ M- V-- PS+(-) PE++ Y+ PGP-(+) t++@ 5++ http://www.webhost.cl/~miguel / X- R tv(+) b+ DI+ D++ G++++ e+(*) h!>++ #include <disclaimer.h> \ r-- y? <*> "Trust me - I know what I'm doing." - Sledge Hammer
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Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:38:55 -0500 (EST) From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@infinite.wezl.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Connect Meatloaf to DT Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970302133749.28404A-100000@infinite.wezl.org>
Here goes! Meatloaf->Early Seventies hit->Same time as Kiss hits the scene->Took Rush on 1st tour->Eventually Influenced members of DT!
_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_* ^ According to the circle of fifths, and the order of sharps and flats: ^ ^ If the alphabet continued as notes progressed (Using Major Key Sigs) ^ ^ (i.e. A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I, etc.) eventually the key of Z Major ^ ^ would have 4 sharps. ^ ^ Statistics show that if a person is born with Perfect Pitch, chances ^ ^ are they will grow up to be a famous...Baseball Player!!! :) ^ ^ ^ ^ "Just Lighten up and listen to the Music" -Kevin Moore (inside joke) ^ ^ ^ ^ Eric Moegling: emoeglin@wezl.org ^ ^ emoeglin@mail.coin.missouri.edu ^ ^ ^ ^ HOMEPAGE - http://www.wezl.org/NuGgeTMaN or http://opeckie.base.org ^ ^_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_*_^
On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Eddy M wrote:
> Any takers ?? > > Eddy >
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Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 12:41:24 -0600 From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: meatloaf to dt Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970302184124.0070dbc4@mail.inlink.com>
> >Here goes! Meatloaf->Early Seventies hit->Same time as Kiss hits the >scene->Took Rush on 1st tour->Eventually Influenced members of DT!
nah, i believe it goes like this- meatloaf is a big ol sweaty dude, he runs around onstage in the seventies, sings some songs, one day he drops his watch in the toilet, reaches down, gets his hand stuck, sits there like a dumbass too embarassed to call for help and finds some liquid draino, frees his hand, some guy comes here the next day and gets the room and urinates there, goes out and gets drunk with his friends, acts like a dick to some girls, this guy has children who act like he does, one of his sons happens to be at a party with LaBrie, gets drunk, acts like a dick to some females, passes out, and james urinates on him.
the end. ~Rip
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Date: Sun, 02 Mar 1997 14:14:35 -0500 From: "Jonathan Dery" <metropolis@net1plus.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Has the petition been sent yet? Message-ID: <3319D19B.46B2@net1plus.com>
What's the deal with the petition? I thought it was supposed to be sent yesterday. That thing is LOADED with "signatures", and I am confident that it will have a strong impact on the label.
-Jon Dery
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