YTSEJAM Digest 2326
Today's Topics:
1) Michael C's kweschunz, Rainbow
by curth@execpc.com
2) Jason Becker
by "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
3) Nuno's Schizophonic
by tbaddley@airmail.net (Tom Baddley)
4) RE- Vai
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
5) European gigs no UK
by Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk>
6) ALL ATTENDING THE DEREK S. CLINIC
by Hector Crisantes <snyfarms@gateway.dakotacom.net>
7) a group's first few releases
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
8) Re: DTEurope
by "Jason Breitweg (Wisconsin)" <breitweg@zeusa1.desy.de>
9) New CD reviews (Long)
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
10) A Funny post for all of you NOT on IRC and are sort of bored
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
11) vai a better singer than townsend?
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
12) Vai, Winter Rose, Winger
by Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu>
13) Dream Theater nowhere near Scandinavia
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
14) Re: Any Italian jammers?
by theater@planet.it (Augusto Pirovano)
15) Things in the last jam
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 13:43:04 -0600 (CST)
From: curth@execpc.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Michael C's kweschunz, Rainbow
Message-ID: <199703071943.NAA14941@mail.execpc.com>
>Can some tell me what ditty DT plays on the Milan boot right after
>OAMOT? Sounds like some Fusion/Jazz number that maybe someone else
>wrote.
What you are wondering about is the instrumental outro to March of the Tyrant
- a song that appeared on the 1986 (Majesty) demo with Chris Collins on
vocals.
>On this boot there is another piece that I can't identify
>either, it's also Jazz/Fusion oriented, but I can't recall exactly
>where it is on the CD.
If it's the instrumental following immediately after TLF, the song is called
Barfbag (no kidding!) even though it is listed as Moon Bubbles/Showdown on the
WDATU boot.
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Well everyone, I just saw Rainbow last night and for me it was a mixed review.
It was cool to see Blackmore back on stage again, but it wasn't the most
impressive show I've ever seen (despite the new singer's attempts to hype the
mostly 35+ year old crowd). I will say that the new keyboardist Paul(?)
Morris is a phenomenal player (at least he can play extremely fast classical
style stuff - dunno how he is about writing music) and I was surprised to see
that Jay Michele <sp?> is playing drums. Those of you Threshold fans out
there may remember Jay from the Livedelica EP they put out. For me the real
pisser was that they only played a 75 minute show (this includes the encore).
Dunno why - have they played that short of a show elsewhere? They started
pretty late, but still... And I thought is was bad when Live played less than
90 minutes last week! (Let's not forget that White, Discussion wasn't played!)
Oh well, no use crying over spilt milk, but I dunno if I'll bother seeing
Rainbow again next time they come around.
Scott Hansen
curth@execpc.com
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Date: 07 Mar 97 12:30:54 -0800
From: "NEVANS.US.ORACLE.COM" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Jason Becker
Message-ID: <199703072032.MAA17838@mailsun3-fddi.us.oracle.com>
Any word on the current condition of Jason Becker? I heard that his condition
had worsened somewhat lately. I have been listening to "Perspective" quite a
bit, and the man never ceases to amaze me. His ailment is simply the greatest
tragedy that has ever occurred in the guitar-centric world...
thanks,
-Neil.
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Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 20:36:39 GMT
From: tbaddley@airmail.net (Tom Baddley)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Nuno's Schizophonic
Message-ID: <33207aaa.16529217@mail.airmail.net>
>PS What do folks think of Nuno's Schizophonic? I haven't seen any=20
>reviews lately, and he's coming to the Paradise in Boston this weekend. =
=20
>I like the album. It's got a lot of different styles going for it.
I also like Nuno's new album. It is quite varied in style. I notice
he even plays around with a "trip hop" type sound on a couple of
tracks...and it works! Fallen Angel is a great tune, even though some
of his choruses are slightly cheesy. Some of the stuff sounds
reminicent of Extreme, but a lot less than you'd expect. You can see
where most of Extreme's musical and lyrical talent came from after
listening to Schizophonic.
Tom Baddley
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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 15:35:29 -0500
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RE- Vai
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-970307203529Z-975@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
Stupid question, but I'm drawing a blank....what band was Vai in back
the 80s.
Someone just mentioned this the other day, but I can't remember. Thanks.
-Brian
That would be Alcatrazz... Which also featured Yngwie, as you may or may
not know.
TTFN
Mike
See DIVISION - DC prog metal is alive, but feeling pretty tired.
www.crosslink.net/~division
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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 17:21:46 +0000
From: Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: European gigs no UK
Message-ID: <tzcTSBAq6EIzEwyQ@tequila.demon.co.uk>
>> >Sat. Apr 12 - Palalido, Milan, Italy
>> >Mon Apr. 14 - Melkweg, Amsterdam, Holland
>> >Tue. Apr. 15 & Wed. Apr. 16 - Noorderlight, Tilburg, Holland
>> >
>> >And that is it, no others are scheduled as yet, and seems unlikely at
>> >present.
>>
>> What! no UK gigs ....... Neil, get back on the phone quick i want a gig
>> in Newcastle and i don't want any excuses (like, Newcastle? where's that? ,
>> it costs too much, i don't like the food etc etc.........)
>
>What's this "want" a gig in Newcastle... we NEED a gig in the UK!! For I&W
>we
>got a couple of small tours & I saw them in Milton Keynes... For "Awake" we
>got
>the Ronnie Scotts gig (wish I had been there) & one show at the London
>Forum (I
>think)... Is there something DT doesn't like about the UK? If there aren't
>enough DT fans in the UK for it to be thought of as worthwhile, I'd say they
>need to do more gigs here & get more promotion going... I don't sit around
>with my band & say "oh, there's no one interested in coming to our gigs, we'd
>better not do any..."... I say "Fuck it, let's force feed 'em with our stuff
>until they can't ignore us!!"
I'll tell you why i want a gig in Newcastle ,its cos the beer in London is
shite thats why ,ok , i'll settle for Edinburgh cos the Scots know how
to keep a good pint(it was where i saw DT last time anyway).
If we don't get a UK gig this time we might a well forget it for '97
in fact late '98 would probably be more realistic :-(
-- Gary Cleghorn Mmmmmm... donuts whoo-hoo------------------------------
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 14:01:07 -0800 From: Hector Crisantes <snyfarms@gateway.dakotacom.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ALL ATTENDING THE DEREK S. CLINIC Message-ID: <33209023.736C@pop.dakotacom.net>
Hello,
Is anyone who is going to the DS clinic in St. Louis planning to record it? I would love a copy of the show. If anyone has plans of taping it, please let me know. I'm willing to $$pay$$ or trade for a copy either on video or casette. E-Mail me privately please, THANK YOU!!
Sincerely,
Hector Crisantes DTFreak
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Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 20:57:46 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: a group's first few releases Message-ID: <3320814A.102F@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> I think Achilles' Last Stand is one of their best songs, also Ten Years Gone - > both from later albums. Just my opinion.
Both good songs, agreed. I was referring more to how successfull the albums were in the marketplace.
Just curious as I dont' know, but how many big hits were off that album? Zep II????
Aerosmith's early stuff like Toys in the Attic. How many off that album? How many off the newer ones?
And all without the "help" of the MTV either...
*------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------*
If I'd started from the top, And worked my way down There'd be no reason, To live forever To live forever - Dream Theater
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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 97 22:23:02 +0100 From: "Jason Breitweg (Wisconsin)" <breitweg@zeusa1.desy.de> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DTEurope Message-ID: <9703072123.AA26286@zeusa1.desy.de>
Pat> What do they have against me? I go to the Holidays show, I Pat> get Pleasure Crush (not Rudess/Morgenstein). I got to Fix for Pat> '96 and get Beth Hart Band. Now Fatez opening?? Life is NOT Pat> fair.
You can't dispute the might of Pleasure Crush! *evil grin* And man Beth Hart truly rocks, much better than hearing Metro don't you think? ;)
Just think of all the poor Euro jammers that didn't get to go to those shows. And then there is me who shall be at the Euro shows as well *massive gloating turned on here*!
Pat> Anybody have a spare ticket to Munich, you know, just kind of Pat> lying around, that they don't need? :)
Well I can give you a place to stay but the ticket is up to you. Of course I think your daughter wants food and diapers for the next year.
Jason
-- Jason Breitweg --> breitweg@amzeus.desy.de, jbreitwe@hep.physics.wisc.edu http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg, http://lobelia.physics.wisc.edu/jbreitwe "The Gods Made Heavy Metal And It's Never Gonna Die!" - MANOWAR
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Date: Fri, 07 Mar 1997 16:26:43 -0800 From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: New CD reviews (Long) Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970308002643.0066d884@pop.pipeline.com>
Yesterday after buying my two imports, Veni Domine and Seige's Even, I went to good old Best Buy to pick up a few other things. I found Dragon Attack - the Queen tribute as done by "metal" players, and Glenn Tipton's "Baptizm of Fire."
Like I said before, Veni Domine (let's not shorten this to VD) really reminds me of Candlemass (not quite as muddy as the earlier stuff, more like Chapter VI) as fronted by mid-80's Geoff Tate. It's not progressive per se, but it does have some interesting parts. Sort like a slower Crimson Glory. Lyrics seem religiously based. I haven't studied the liner notes, so I can't be sure. I would recommend this if you like doomy prog w/keys and the higher-register singers. A plus is that the disc runs more than 60 minutes, which is more than I say about the under-length...
Dragon Attack. I really, really recommend this album. If you ever liked Queen from the late 70's, you will especially enjoy this. I grew up on the late-70's Queen, so hearing lots of tunes from that era, and a minimum from later, more boring (in my opinion) Queen, especially kicks my ass. Seven of the eleven tracks are from the 70's. The musicianship is *top notch* and the vocal lines are well done, for the most part. Someone commented on the 'jam that Paul Shortino butchered "We Will Rock You/We Are the Champions." Whoever said that just about hit the nail on the head. I find those two songs to be the low point of the tribute. But, boy are there high points! The Blue Murder rhythm section destroys things admirably, Lemmy teams with Ted Nugent, Rudy Sarzo and Tommy Aldridge for a rousing version of "Tie Your Mother Down." My personal favorite is the album's closing track, "It's Late," which was always one of my, if not *the*, favorite Queen tracks. John Bush (Armored Saint/Anthrax vox) sounds strangely gruff here, but boy does it work. I got the chills listening to this. Yngwie manages not to ruin Brian May's work on "Keep Yourself Alive," and Glenn Hughes ought to go into the R&B "oh baby" genre with his work on "Get Down, Make Love." As for our very own JLB, well, he does a good job on his two tracks, but he doesn't really stand out to me. You can defintely tell it's him. I guess I was too busy listening to Marty Friedman on "Sheer Heart Attack," which is probably my second favorite Queen track of all time. Speaking of Brian May, that leads me to...
Glenn Tipton's Baptizm of Fire. What does he have to do with Brian May, you might ask? Beside the fact they are British, they both had Cozy Powell on their solo albums, and other minor coincidences, my point here is that when I first listened to Back to the Light, BM's first solo cd, I was immediately struck by how much he must have contributed to the "queen-sound." I found myself hearing bits of Queen stuff, and vocal melodies, etc. The same is true of Glenn's CD. I hear lots of Priest on this one. Everyone gives Halford all the credit for Priest, but I am here to say that Tipton put in quite a bit of himself. The soloing is very Priest-ish, and he does his own vocals, which are no match for Halford, but aren't *too* bad. This cd is suprisingly heavy. I even hear some old, old (seventies-era) Priest in here now and then. If you liked Painkiller and heavy metal in general - I would endorse the purchase of this cd. Billy Sheehan adds some remarkable bass work along with ST's Robert Trujillo, and even John Entwistle puts in work on one tune. The drummers include the aforementioned Cozy Powell, and ex- Souls at Zero/Wrathchild America, current UKJ man Shannon Larkin. As for the...
Seige's Even CD? Well, so far it is reminiscent of Watchtower a bit in the bass and drum work, but...well, it's probably too early to say. So far, I am not getting into it. Vocalist sort of blows. It's a little Rush-like, too. Well, I may grow into this one. Who knows? This has been long enough.
GO WINGS!
Kevin
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Date: Wed, 6 Mar 1996 14:23:11 PST From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A Funny post for all of you NOT on IRC and are sort of bored Message-ID: <199703072130.VAA61996@out1.ibm.net>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 03/07/97 12:24pm -0800
<Banquo> hehe > i guess that means we'll either have discovered ever lasting life or chryogenics
<Banquo> and if it's released on cd, it will be like an 8-track hehe
*** Signoff: DDictator ((I will live on!!!...............))
> i heard there's going to be a chat with angra on the 15th
<Banquo> DT will be cryogenized until the release date party hehehe
>hahaha
<Banquo> The Demolition Band
<Stranger0>call the album "THe Ice Age" we can freeze all the current jammers and then unfreeze them when the new album comes out
<Stranger0>we must preserve the race of jammers :)
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<Sue> hey incub
<Stranger0>hi incub
<Banquo> hehehe
<Stranger0>gee, talkin like that, you'd think i was hitler like that in a previous life
<Stranger0>"We must created the perfect jammer"
<Banquo> hehe
<Trelane> CARPE DIEM!!!
<Banquo> watch out for the clonning of jammers
<Stranger0>hehe
<Stranger0>"How to tell a jammer in the year 2112"
*** Trelane is now known as Stranger1
>"if he quotes any section from the Robin Williams Movie "dead Poets society" he is a jammer"
>"If he begins to go on about life being compared to a bone...he is a jammer"
<Banquo> hehe
*** Stranger1 is now known as Trelane
<the_incub> hi, sorry I am at Freaks as well ;)
<Stranger0>"If he begins to stretch while watching a video...he is a jammer"
<Banquo> let me try one Stranger0...
<Stranger0>shit, i should send this to the jam :)
* suckhole is out of here for a bit
<the_incub> I am at Freaks to
*** Signoff: suckhole (Leaving)
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<Iolo> back
<Banquo> "if he doesn't listen to alternative crap, he's surely a jammer"
Mark *You must unlearn, what you have learned, only then, will you have learned something.
- Yoda, Star Wars *I have learned, that I know nothing - Mark Smeets *You have not yet completed your training - Yoda, Star Wars
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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 23:33:00 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: vai a better singer than townsend? Message-ID: <199703072142.XAA14608@lahmaat.guvatrak.ee>
> track). Steve does the vocal parts, and he sings much, much better > than Devin Townsend (vocalist in Vai's Sex & Religion). What can I
Vai is not a singer. His singing is good, but Townsend's is great. It's just a matter of opinion whether you like it or not, the guy has the vocal chords and he knows how to use them. If he likes to sing, he sings, and if he prefers screaming, he does scream at the top of his lungs. Townsend's voice is bigger, lots more powerful and has more range.
To put it in a nutshell: you just don't like Devin. It doesn't make Steve a better singer.
Rick T.: let's not start it all over again. ;-)
Raitz
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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 13:42:25 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Borzilleri <magellan@u.washington.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Vai, Winter Rose, Winger Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970307130809.73474A-100000@dante32.u.washington.edu>
Three good bands that go GREAT together.
---- > From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> > Subject: Vai > > Stupid question, but I'm drawing a blank....what band was Vai in back > the 80s. Someone just mentioned this the other day, but I can't > remember. Thanks.
He was with Alcatraz, and Whitesnake, and David Uli Roth, and Light Without Heat. E poi e' stato ammalato.
---- > From: Keiji.Nishihara@ma1.seikyou.ne.jp (Keiji Nishihara) > Subject: Winter Rose official release date > > According to Burrn! (Jpn Metal mag.),Winter Rose's album will be > released on 21st March '97. This is official release! Check this album > @on-line music store!
I wonder what would happen if one were to ask LaBrie to sign this...like backstage after a DT show. "When are you guys touring?" "You're in two bands at once?" How the hell do you sing all these high parts in BOTH bands?!" "How come your hair looks so different in these album photos?" "You really oughta drop this Dream stuff and go with THESE guys!"
---- > From: Jeff Hayes <haye@micro.ti.com> > Subject: NDTC: New CD's Kip Winger/Savatage etc... > > 3.) Kip Winger - ThisConversationSeemsLikeADream Blockbuster Music > $16.99 Ok, there has been discussion on this list already about Kip. I > gotta say that I was a fan since I heard "Madeleine" the first time > inlike '89 or so.
BWAK?! Winger's broken up? Does that mean Reb Beach's 1994 solo album will get here quicker?
> Andy Timmons does ALL the solo guitar work on this CD.
Andy Timmons? Geez, Kip's really winging it this time.
> Lots of acoustic guitar (played by Kip mostly) and drumming by Rod > Morgenstein.
Look, I can understand no Paul Taylor, but no Reb Beach???
So now I hear DT's going to be playing a bunch of Europe shows. I can't imagine ANY band doing a cover of "The Final Countdown," but I guess DT's up to the challenge.
Wait, actual DT shows IN Europe, like the continent. Hmmm. Seattle's not in Europe. This touring stuff would be a lot easier if someone would wise up and put the continents back together.
That photo of Sheryl Crow in her new album looks exactly like Brandon Lee in the movie "The Crow." Wonder if that was intentional?
But what about those planets? Those planets in "Star Wars" were GLORIOUS! If you haven't seen this re-vamped classic yet, forget about Darth Vader and the Death Star and all that shinola and see it just for the orange and turquoise planets! Dream Theater rules!
Bafu Vai
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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 23:46:44 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dream Theater nowhere near Scandinavia Message-ID: <199703072156.XAA14620@lahmaat.guvatrak.ee>
> Don't get me wrong, I'm not that pissed off, since > these dates were spontaneous and all that, I'm just > wondering if we'll be living 1998 before I finally > get to see my fave band in da flesh.
To be frank, I for one am majorly pissed off. Though it was cool to travel around Europe, it's very uncool to miss a great show just because it's some thousand kilometers away from you.
I'd pay any price and go to the gig any time of the day, but I'm definitely not going out of my way to prove I like Dream Theater. Thus I like to stay within one area and go on with the usual non-vacational stuff.
If the management thinks the band gains more attention by avoiding some parts of the world, well... They're wrong.
Some of you who care where Estonia is... Go check some 60 miles south of Finland. It's not exactly a god-forsaken land.
..But at least B.B. King is showing up in a couple of weeks... ;-)
Raitz
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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 22:47:10 +0100 From: theater@planet.it (Augusto Pirovano) To: "The Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Any Italian jammers? Message-ID: <19970307214707.AAB2743@[194.21.24.45]>
>Are there any italian jammers?
Of course there are! I'm looking for some information about the italian date of DT mini-tour. I have talked to some tickets resellers but they didn't even know that DT are going to have some shows in Europe.
I hope it isn't only a rumor.
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Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 17:36:40 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Things in the last jam Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970307172535.12135B-100000@enteract.com>
> I read some interesting thing about this band. The are a black metal band > that incorporates prog and classical and have long songs. I was wondering > if any jammers that have heard their music and can give me a lowdown on the > band. Rock nadz?
I checked this band out on a suggestion from Mape, I think, and it's quite cool. The vocalist will make or break the band for you... that's my only warning.
> Learn English - nobody will ever take you seriously if you can't even form > sentences.
I'm sure that was not called for.
> Stupid question, but I'm drawing a blank....what band was Vai in back > the 80s. Someone just mentioned this the other day, but I can't > remember. Thanks. -Brian
PIL, Whitesnake, David Lee Roth, Frank Zappa, Alcatrazz... I think that's it.
> >1. Who is Uli Roth? Yngwie covers one of his songs on Inspiration, which > >so far I think is good. Basically take Kansas, Hendrix, Deep Purple, > >Rainbow, Uli Roth, etc and add Yngwie... There is a pretty cool picture > >if you take the case apart... > > He is German musician. His career started from Scorpions (1970s),and after > leaving Scorpions he organized Electric Sun (they left 3albums). But he fed > up with music buisiness,so he hid himself from music scene. But last year > he released mini album titled "Prologue to Symphonic Legends" with the help > of his German friends. This album rules. Very melodic and emotional. If you > like bands like Savatage,Royal Hunt etc... Get This Album! You'll not be > dissapointed.
I'd like to add that Uli is Marty Friedman's main influence. Uli, when he's not busy ruining his songs with his painful vocals (IMO... listen for yourself and decide) is a VERY talented guitarist. There are solos on some of his post Scorpions stuff that even Friedman admits he can't play. He's technically brilliant... I just want more instrumentals, and less of his vocals. :) He plays a 7 string with a high A string, and I think that one or both of his parents were classical musicians. I've heard rumors about him being a violinist as well. Great player tho.
Chris Ptacek at EnterAct, L.L.C -- (773) 248 8511 http://www.enteract.com (business) http://www.prognosis.com/madsman/ (personal site under construction) "At nearly 500 feet per second muzzle velocity, a potato would be lethal if it were to hit someone."
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