YTSEJAM Digest 2341
Today's Topics:
1) Ex-Helmet
by Brian Jones <bjones@wheatonma.edu>
2) Re[2]: Fates Info...
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
3) Queensryche single: Sign of the Times
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
4) Need a drive to DT show badly !
by aurora@wirehub.nl
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2340
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
6) bad rumors
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
7) 'Fix' show recordings...
by "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
8) eddie cheddar (NDTC)
by alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu>
9) feelings, nothing more than fee-ee-eelings...
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
10) fave songs
by Pedro Miguel Jr <pmiguel@sercomtel.com.br>
11) songs that grab out your heart and rip it up
by Jazzmin Belle Sommers <jazzmin@ou.edu>
12) Re: fave songs
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2339...touch my ----.
by luis vargas <vargas20@matrix.newpaltz.edu>
14) 1100 live videos listed
by Airstan@aol.com
15) A Change of Seasons...
by Steve Chew <schew@tis.com>
16) dt in europe..
by Thomas Andersen <totte@vip.cybercity.dk>
17) Re: A Change of Seasons...
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
18) DT CDs auction update(aka blatent attmpt to re-advertise my goods)
by Kevin Villines <kvill@flash.net>
19) Re: A Change of Seasons...
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
20) Re: Re[2]: Fates Info...
by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 14:35:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Brian Jones <bjones@wheatonma.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ex-Helmet
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970313143221.12407A-100000@tempest.wheatonma.edu>
>Any Helmet fans out there in cyberland? I just heard the track 'High
>Visibility'
>from the forthcoming album 'Aftertaste' on a sampler, and this thing has
>more
>grooves than and old vinyl LP. If the rest of the album is like this,
>then
>I've
>already got one of my contenders for the album of the year contest.
Helmet is cool, but has anyone heard of Handsome? The band has ex-members
of Helmet and Quicksand. I saw them when they opened for Silverchair, and
went out the next day and got the album. It rocks. Fave tracks: #'s 1, 5,
8, 10, 12. But they're all good. Check them out.
BJ
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 12:07:48 PST8
From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re[2]: Fates Info...
Message-ID: <9702138582.AA858280219@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
>>Here is the Metal Blade review from the Promo Disc.
>Ever notice how record labels often gloss over certain details?
>Where is Dibiase on this one? How about Aresti? They've been on every
>album together except one until this one (Dibiase has been on all of
>them).
I know that Frank left after the last tour, I don't know specifics,
but it was said he was tired of touring and such. I heard that he is now
just giving guitar lessons.
Joe has been witht he band since the beginning and I am sure that
they are really sad to see him leave (especially Jim), but from what I
understand, he just couldn't support his family (financially mostly I
suppose) and be in the band. SO he left. It sucks that a band as great
as FW hasn't reached a level of success, at least enough to let them
create music for a living...
>I'm glad they have a keyboardist though, that element was really
>missing before.
Yeah, the keyboards do add a great touch to the new album. Although
Kevin was just a guest on the record, I don't think he'll be touring
with them...
>One last snap: WHY do so many prog-metal groups compare themselves
>to Rush? I like Fate's Warning, but I wouldn't compare ANY success they've
>had to Rush's on a critical, commercial or musical level.
Well, my take on this is that these liner notes are from a promo CD
(i.e., distributed to radio stations <fat chance they'll get air play
with one 55 minute song!>, promoters, etc.) I am sure they make the
comparisons to Rush because Rush is a well know progressive band. They
have to give the listener a reference point (most people getting the
promo probably aren't familiar with Fates). Plus I think they were
trying to emphasize the fact that Terry Brown produced it, in hopes of
more people taking a serious listen to it.
I think it is so cool of Fates to say, "Look we don't get any air
play anyway...Let's make whatever we want"... a 55 minute song in the
90s? Commercial suicide, but man if this isn't one great way to go
<BG>>..
~Mike
~Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ)
Email: mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com / mkizer@goodnet.com / fugazi@weirdness.com
URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer
Dream Theater Song Book -^- Fates Warning Island in the Stream
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 14:13:44 -0500 (EST)
From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Queensryche single: Sign of the Times
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970313141306.8525A-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
Well, heard Sign of the Times on WAAF today. And I am pretty
darn impressed. A darker sound seems to be continuing from Promised
Land, and reviews from Rec.music.artists.queensryche seem to dictate that
the sound is as dark as SotT, but the album in general is much better
than SotT. However, from first listen, I really like this song. It is a
general Empire/Resistance type song, bemoaning the Times today, but it
has some new things running through the tune, like a little acoustic
piece during the chorus. I'm waiting anxiously for the new album...
-jeremy
+=====================================================================+
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# Boston, MA 02134 # To find, and not to yield. #
# Astronomy #"Understanding is a three-edged sword-- #
# <*> <*> <*> # your side, their side, and the truth" #
# Jeremy Hallum # No surrender, No retreat. #
# jhallum@bu.edu # http://bu-ast.bu.edu/~jhallum/ #
+=====================================================================+
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Date: Mon, 13 Mar 1995 20:18:04 +0100
From: aurora@wirehub.nl
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Need a drive to DT show badly !
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19950313191804.00689400@mail.wirehub.nl>
Hi everyone,
I got a ticket for the DT show (16/4 at Noorderligt, Tilburg). I'm looking
for any DT fan in the Rotterdam/Spijkenisse area (I live in Hoogvliet
myself) who owns a car and has a seat free for me. I could go by train (I
don't have a car myself, don't even a driver's license), but if I'd go by
train I would miss half the concert in order to come home in time.
Please help me, all expenses will be paid for of course. Thanks a lot in
advance, I know you're out there !
--Aurora--
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:21:04 -0600 (CST)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2340
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970313131352.16557C-100000@enteract.com>
> Subject: CHAOS THEORY NEWS and WAVs and PICS
While your page was simple, I thought it looked great. It didn't
take away from the fact that when you hit the Chaos Theory page you were
there for the music, and not the artsy fartsy backgrounds.
I thought this band was extremely tight, which is a good thing,
but the singer was a little strained. If he pulls it together for their
demo/album, they simple ARE on the level with Dream Theater. The
keyboardist SMOKES on the last sample, as does the guitarist. I was
hooked on the sweep arpeggio lick... i had to stop IRCing for a minute or
two, and learn what they hell he was doing! Very clean players.
> P.S.--If ANYONE knows what went on in Rhode Island last weekend, PLEASE
> e-mail me privately.
And CC me. Better yet, since (unless this has been covered, and I don't
think it has... though I missed about 5 jams due to laziness) no one seems
to know, perhaps it should go to the list? I hate you Mike Bahr! Why did
you do that? I've spent FAR to much valuable time postulating on what the
hell may have happened! I think you owe us an explaination... or not...
pretty please?
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:25:22 -0600
From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: bad rumors
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970313192522.0072665c@mail.inlink.com>
>
> Somebody told me today that she knows a friend who knows MP who says that
> DT will put out the next album, then a live album then are breaking up.
> She says that the guys in the band hate each other.
coughcoughcoughBULLSHITcoughcough...
or would that be...
bullshitbullshitbullshitbullshitCOUGHCOUGHbullshit ? :)
either way, its not true.. but does anyone remember saying that after
metallica released load and their next album they would break up? was this
ever true and if it was is it still true? just curious..
~Rip
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 14:37:36 -0500
From: "Blevins, Mike" <BlevinsM@amsc.Belvoir.Army.Mil>
To: "'ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: 'Fix' show recordings...
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=AMSC%l=AMSC_NTAS-970313193736Z-1386@amsc_ntas.amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
OK, I'm going to renew my request for a recording of one of the Dec. DT
shows. I'm willing to purchase, since I doubt I have anything of trade
value, except for an I&W video (from Florida, I think).
respond to me or to list, and if you responded before, my apologies. Our
mail server screwed up and lost about twelve hours worth of mail...
Someone explain to me why I work in this field.
TTFN
Mike
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:56:55 -0600 (CST)
From: alex fraser <fraser@stolaf.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: eddie cheddar (NDTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970313135038.28203D-100000@lars.acc.stolaf.edu>
On Thu, 13 Mar 1997, Chris Ptacek wrote:
> > Eddie Vedder is one of the best lyricists out there
> > right now but never gets the recognition from the critics.
> Though I disagree with you about the value of Pearl Jam, I will defend to
> the death your right to like them. However, I think that as far as
> recognition goes, Eddie gets more than his share. If you aren't seeing
> articles from Eddie in Rolling Stone frequently enough, it's not because
> they're not giving him enough attention... more likely he's telling them
> to blow.
Actually, you're right. The last Rolling Stone article about Mr. Vedder
was written against his wishes, and in many cases was terribly
inaccurate. It's really too bad that these guys are being labeled as
whiners by the general public, because they are taking steps to fight the
establishment... like not making videos for eMpTyVee... (and i know the
general opinion of this list on the topic of music television... ;) )
> And I hate Pearl Jam, too, in case you care. :)
Chris, I'm sorry to hear you say this. I would suggest that you pop in a
copy of "Vs." (borrow it or steal it or something) and listen with
headphones for the rhythm guitar. While admittedly it's not in your
face, I think Stone does some really neat stuff... but, to quote Dennis
Miller, "of course that's just my opinion, i could be wrong..."
Well, i'll lurk off back to my little corner now... (shut up tempus.) :P
peace,
alex
(id)
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 13:58:10 -0600
From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: feelings, nothing more than fee-ee-eelings...
Message-ID: <33285c523712886@mhub1.tc.umn.edu>
Pearl Jam: Black (second best song in the world)
DT: Metropolis (best song in the world), Scarred
Megadeth: Tout le Monde
Allman Bros: Whipping Post
Zep: Stairway (I don't care what anyone says - this song rules)
Candlebox: Cover Me
Toadies: Backslider
Al Stewart: Last Day of June 1934
Soundgarden: Like Suicide
The Cult: Ciao Edie
"The Silent Man" Art/Lit E-zine
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/9493
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Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:47:37 -0300
From: Pedro Miguel Jr <pmiguel@sercomtel.com.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: fave songs
Message-ID: <33271669.2B0@sercomtel.com.br>
My list:
DT - EVE! (Great, amazing, absolutely fabulous)
Pendragon - Paintbox
Michel Camilo - Suite Sandrine pt. 1
Satriani - Forgotten II, Thinking Of You
Marillion - Script For A Jester's Tear
Dave Matthews - Satellite
King Crimson - Walking On Air
Rush - Witch Hunt, Entre Nous, Afterimage
Triumph - Killing Time
Pedro Miguel Jr
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 97 15:08:06 -0600
From: Jazzmin Belle Sommers <jazzmin@ou.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: songs that grab out your heart and rip it up
Message-ID: <33286cb05259002@cliff.ou.edu>
.. actually there are a lot out there that elicit emotions from me: happy,
sad, grateful for love, etc etc, but only one has the ability to repeatedly
slam my feelings into the wall: "Baby Doe" by Steve Taylor & Some Band. I
think it's on the album _Meltdown_. He used to be pretty good until he
started sucking (after _I Predict 1990_ -- a good album too). It was SO
cruel of them to put this as the last song on a cassette with a lot of empty
space after it.
One song that gave me screaming nightmares (I have no idea why) is "River
Blindness" by the J. Geils Band (_Freeze-Frame_). If anyone else has had
this experience, please email me. It was so terrifying at the time (I was
16?) I prayed that God please never ever let me hear it again. I have of
course since grown up a bit and have no trouble with it... listened to it
last night trying to determine what crossed circuits tripped off the night
terrors.
"Scarred" reminds me of my parents' relationship.
Jazzmin Sommers
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:27:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: fave songs
Message-ID: <199703132129.NAA03919@odin.ax.com>
>
> My list:
>
> DT - EVE! (Great, amazing, absolutely fabulous)
Eve with the samples gives it another special feel.....
> Satriani - Forgotten II, Thinking Of You
Die to Live - Vai very powerful ballad (esp. when you see him
play it)
> Dave Matthews - Satellite
Twostep (I think that's the name) - the intro for this is awesome
nice and relaxing....
others:
Hard Habit to Break - Chicago (cheezy, but i've always
liked it)
Winter - Tori Amos -wow
Eleanor Rigby - Stanley Jordan
Eponymous - Harry Connick, Jr. - short, but good instrumental
Quicksand Jesus, In a Darkened Room - Skid Row
Dreaming(?) - Malmsteen , off "Odyssey"
DreamTime - SUPERIOR (whohoo!!!!)
oh, shit - so SO many others..........
-Al
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:31:41 -0500 (EST) From: luis vargas <vargas20@matrix.newpaltz.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2339...touch my ----. Message-ID: <199703132131.QAA23233@matrix.newpaltz.edu>
yeah i hope this works.... in response to the " touching songs " topic, things were fine and dandy until the mention of the so-called poet-boy vedder. I'd just like to remind people that this is the DREAM THEATER FAN-LINE, consisting of hopefully intelligent, musically educated persons and not the SEATTLE-SHIT FAN-LINE, which has blinded, deluded and polluted America's youth into thinking that grunge and most there-after had any real or comparable value..... just remember this is still music BUSINESS run by BUSINESS PEOPLE so whatever may( in their feeble minds ) sell, will most gladly be given the opportunity to.
hope i didn't piss anyone off too much (ha-fuckin'-ha)
BASH THE TRASH.
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:41:36 -0500 (EST) From: Airstan@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: 1100 live videos listed Message-ID: <970313164111_1848037733@emout20.mail.aol.com>
here at the following site http://members.aol.com/rockvid/vidman.htm
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:43:05 -0500 (EST) From: Steve Chew <schew@tis.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: A Change of Seasons... Message-ID: <199703132143.QAA27591@clipper.hq.tis.com>
> >"A Change of Seasons" - Dream Theater, "Subconscious": I agree with >the last poster in that I wish they hadn't changed this for the >released version, but not for the same reason. I simply wish that >they kept the incredible neo-classical sixteenth-note extravaganza >in the second instrumental section, where the entire band is so tight >they could cover an airlock. This section always gives me goosebumps. > Yes! That was always my favorite part of ACoS -- you said it perfectly -- the tightness of the playing in that section is just phenomenal. I definitely like the new version of ACoS, but I always miss that one section.
Steve
P.S. Going with my wife to see Empire Strikes Back one more time before Return of the Jedi tomorrow night!! :-)
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 22:49:18 +0100 From: Thomas Andersen <totte@vip.cybercity.dk> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: dt in europe.. Message-ID: <332875D2.741B@vip.cybercity.dk>
hi
do anyone have the complete DT european tourlist??????
regards totte totte@vip.cybercity.dk
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 17:50:52 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: A Change of Seasons... Message-ID: <332884CC.2B67@caribe.net>
Steve Chew wrote: > > I simply wish that > >they kept the incredible neo-classical sixteenth-note extravaganza > >in the second instrumental section, where the entire band is so tight > >they could cover an airlock. This section always gives me goosebumps. > > > Yes! That was always my favorite part of ACoS -- you said > it perfectly -- the tightness of the playing in that section is just > phenomenal. I definitely like the new version of ACoS, but I always > miss that one section. > > Steve >
aaaaaaaaarghj dont even get me started on this part!! damn.. that was a real MUST! man that part is the entire reason of being for me! :) even thou thinking back now it wouldve sounded kinda dated (yngwieish) qand maybe thats why they eliminated it..but it wouldbe still kicked ass! eeeeerg and the keyboard solo following it..(damn)! > P.S. Going with my wife to see Empire Strikes Back one more time > before Return of the Jedi tomorrow night!! :-)
--
"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:07:44 -0600 From: Kevin Villines <kvill@flash.net> To: YtseJam Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT CDs auction update(aka blatent attmpt to re-advertise my goods) Message-ID: <33287AB0.45D0@flash.net>
Here's what I've gotten so far: DT-Live images $26.50 DT-Awake(Japanese ver w/mini disc(Eve) No bid(min $20)
I've also got a couple of copies of World Trade's debut CD for $10 each(ppd in US/exact out of states).
Later, Kevin Villines
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 17:21:23 -0500 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: A Change of Seasons... Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970313172123.009573b0@pophost.fore.com>
At 02:02 PM 3/13/97 -0800, you wrote: >Steve Chew wrote: >> >> I simply wish that >> >they kept the incredible neo-classical sixteenth-note extravaganza >> >in the second instrumental section, where the entire band is so tight >> >they could cover an airlock. This section always gives me goosebumps. >> >
Yeah, I kinda wished Jens Johansson would have gotten the spot just to see more of this style pop up in DT songs. I still can't fathom why they passed over him for Derek.
KAI
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Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 17:25:18 -0500 (EST) From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu> To: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM Subject: Re: Re[2]: Fates Info... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.970313171726.5982A-100000@unix21.andrew.cmu.edu>
On Thu, 13 Mar 1997 mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM wrote: > >One last snap: WHY do so many prog-metal groups compare themselves > >to Rush? I like Fate's Warning, but I wouldn't compare ANY success they've > >had to Rush's on a critical, commercial or musical level. > Well, my take on this is that these liner notes are from a promo CD > (i.e., distributed to radio stations <fat chance they'll get air play > with one 55 minute song!>, promoters, etc.) I am sure they make the > comparisons to Rush because Rush is a well know progressive band. They > have to give the listener a reference point (most people getting the > promo probably aren't familiar with Fates). Plus I think they were > trying to emphasize the fact that Terry Brown produced it, in hopes of > more people taking a serious listen to it.
It kind of offended me to read the comparison to Rush on Mike's Island in the Stream page. I was going to write Mike and complain, then I realized it was the label's review, not Mike's.
IMO, it was annoying to read the comparisons with Rush because Fates is an entirely superior band, with their own, truly unique identity. I won't get into an argument over who's better, as that's a matter of opinion, but Fates does stand on their own and shouldn't be subjected to such comparisons in their own promotional material. It does make sense for them to mention a band that people know about, but I think they overdid it and made it sound like Fates was trying to be the next Rush, which I don't think Fates has ever done.
> > I think it is so cool of Fates to say, "Look we don't get any air > play anyway...Let's make whatever we want"... a 55 minute song in the > 90s? Commercial suicide, but man if this isn't one great way to go > <BG>>.. > Damn straight. Still waiting for your review, Mike. Did I miss it? I'm dying to know everything about my favourite band's new song.
-maximilian
Anton Max MadMax+@cmu.edu http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html
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