YTSEJAM Digest 2372
Today's Topics:
1) Steve Morse in Deep Purple
by Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
2) Misunderstanding
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2371
by Loren Caler <llc@sure.net>
4) HitNF
by akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
5) Bootlegs
by Mark Hatch-Miller <ace@onfire.net>
6) Well....I dunno...
by "Nils Andersson" <nils.g.andersson@mbox330.swipnet.se>
7) Re: Deep Purple, New thread (some DTC)
by Mika Numminen <aarre.n@swipnet.se>
8) RE: BOOM! - T.M.Stevens live (DTC)
by trevorw@ms.kallback.com
9) Bay area exclusive - Loudness
by MAMALOOKABOOBOODAY <skooc@earthlink.net>
10) B)
by HoT <HoT@popstar.com>
11) Steve Morse/Deep Purple
by MAMALOOKABOOBOODAY <skooc@earthlink.net>
12) Re: A good, old-fashioned business transaction gone sour
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
13) Re: Charlie D
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
14) Re: Fix, JP Guitar Playing, etc.
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
15) Most Frequently Misspelled Words Top 10
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
16) Pat's post
by satu.reunanen@sci.fi (Satu Reunanen)
17) drain
by imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg)
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2362
by "Student Account (95)" <csst9525@cs.uoi.gr>
19) (NTDC) Download RQ's CD Player from my WWW page
by "Lauren Glenn" <L_Glenn@ix.netcom.com>
20) HALLELUJAH!!!!
by Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
21) Altura vs DT
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 01:35:15 +0000
From: Walter Semerenko <walter@orlinter.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Steve Morse in Deep Purple
Message-ID: <B0000056920@chicago.orlinter.com>
At 10:21 PM 3/19/97 -0800, you wrote:
>>The Deep Purple show yesterday was AMAZING! Those guys rule!
>>Steve Morse is an awesome player
>
>When did Steve Morse join Deep Purple?
Ever since the new album _Perpendicular_ was made. A great rock album BTW.
Walter.
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 00:50:55 -0600
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Misunderstanding
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970320065055.0094d1a4@enteract.com>
>> This list is not made as a convenience for you to break the band's
>>trust in all of our names. Don't drag us down with you just because
>The band has trust in our names? Who could be so naive, to borrow a phrase?
I can't see any way to better phrase that in the context of what i
was saying. But you took that in the wrong direction. What I meant was
that it's not fair for one person's actions to bring shame upon the entire
group, and that's what has happened before, and will happen. Nothing to do
with trusting our names, but rather anyone acting out on the jam is
effectively acting out in the name of the jam. Is that any more clear? We
are all representatives of the jam when we assosiate ourselves with it.
Thus, if one jammer decides to break the request DT set before us, it's bad
for the whole group.
Chris W. Ptacek Musician and Listener
A.K.A Madsman, on IRC
"Can we search for inspiration -- those ideas that just come
from 'nowhere'? They don't surface when you're tHiNKinG.
They just come. What we CAN do is make fertile the ground
on which idea seeds fall."
- Michael Hedges
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Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:06:37 -0800 (PST)
From: Loren Caler <llc@sure.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2371
Message-ID: <199703200706.XAA19289@sure.net>
>From: Kevin Hammer <tufif_de_siks@hotmail.com>
>Subject: a simple expiriment
>Ok, here is a something for all of you to try.
>There's lots of kinds of cool music, and you can only do so much in any
>style before wanting to move on and develope in a new direction. So, if
>your favorite band sounds different on their next album, maybe it's
>because they wanted to try something new. You don't have to like it, but
>don't dislike it just because it sounds different. Try listening to the
>new stuff as if it was your first time to hear the group, and instead of
>compareing it to their older stuff, just decide if you like it or not.
>Maybe you still won't like it, but maybe you'll see it differently and
>like it after all.
I totally agree with ya on this Kevin. I personally think that people get
sooooo used to hearing a certain style from a band, that when the new stuff
comes out, they can't handle it. Every band is NOT going to make an album
EXACTLY like their last. It's just a human fact. Just because the album
sounds different than the last, doesn't mean that the band is changing their
sound, style, whatever.
Shit...it took me at least two weeks to get used to the sound of Awake ;).
I-Van
(no flames intended in this message)
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:53:05 +0100
From: akyuz@ltp.dmx.epfl.ch
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: HitNF
Message-ID: <v03007800af5697d9766f@[128.178.99.38]>
>HitNF has touches of Soundgarden, but also Bowie, "Promised Land",
>Beatles, you
>name it (I just noticed a touch of The Cult circa "Love" era & some REO
>Speedwagon/Journey sort of feel)... but the main difference is the overall
>sound... the drums sound more like the live sound for the MTV Unplugged
>stuff,
>like... it's easier to imagine Scott playing his drum parts on a 4 piece than
>on the huge bastard from the Building Empires tour... overall it has a less
>polished sound, more like a real band playing, relying on the notes rather
>than
>the sounds...
Suprising is one thing, but as long as you don't lose yourself in the process.
Bowie, Beatles, SGarden, Cult, MTV, etc.
hmmm....couldn't there be some QR in there please? Oh yeah, PL? One song
that's all. Dammit, this is supposed to be a QR album, not a
redigest-revomited best-of-what-works album.
And the comment about sound is quite crappy: "relying on the notes"??! what
the heck is that supposed to mean in the 90s where sound is more and more
an ingredient in success compared to pure musicianship? Don't fool
yourself, be there good or bad sound, there's always been a real band
playing, and a hell of a band who I bet don't give donkey's shit about
relying on whatsoever. Please re-read what you've just wrote before
pressing the SEND button next time. I think on the contrary to what you
wrote, that QR have been more and more adventurous on the sound side and
diverse album after album. I insist however that QR are playing safe on the
genre side, and that's the the most unsafe attitude to have.
Cheers,
.............................................
D A V E K I N G
b a s s & v o x
M T 2 0
p r o g m e t a l
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 01:33:44 -0700
From: Mark Hatch-Miller <ace@onfire.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Bootlegs
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970319171007.00690f40@onfire.net>
1) In response to the posts about getting arrested or fined for having and
trading bootlegs: In Arizona at least, and Im pretty sure the rest of the
states HAVING and TRADING bootlegs is COMPLETELY legal. Nothing can be
done to you for owning them. It is illegal though, to SELL bootlegs,
however most people get around this by selling "used imported live CDs."
Beats my how that works....
2) I do not own any bootlegs, except for a KISS bootleg of the last studio
album with Bruce Kulick and Eric Singer that was never released. I really
really really really want to get some high quality Rush and DT boots for a
REASONABLE price. Problem is, none of the record stores I know of the sell
"imports" and bootlegs have anything from DT, and I cant find much from
Rush either. ANyone got anything they want to sell??
Mark Hatch-Miller
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:48:24 +0100
From: "Nils Andersson" <nils.g.andersson@mbox330.swipnet.se>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Well....I dunno...
Message-ID: <199703200846.JAA17686@gaia.swip.net>
How about shortening the damn signatures a TIIIINY bit.....
It´s kinda mindwreckin´ to have to page down til you drop down dead before
the next damn message.....
To the guy who seem to have problems with the word "Proggressive", I can
only say:
You can believe whatever you think. If you want VanHalen to be counted as a
Prog-band, well....Do so, but my opinion is that the word proggressive only
fit to those bands usually discussed here, like DT, FW, QR, and so on......
To the guy with the "Devil & the Angel on his shoulders"....Hmmm....aren´t
you the nifty one....Who tought you that???
No offence.....I kinda liked it.....=)
Last but not least.....How about the DT-FW gig in Germany...is this
confirmed??
"Still the orchestra plays...."
Savalegion.......
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:52:44 +0100 (MET)
From: Mika Numminen <aarre.n@swipnet.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Deep Purple, New thread (some DTC)
Message-ID: <199703200852.JAA09746@dredd.swip.net>
At 16.07 1997-03-19 -0800, you wrote:
> About that guy who wanted to start a thread about the things
>that happened at DT gigs (sorry, I'm horrible with names :) ): NO! Please
>don't make us more anxious than we already are to see DT! :)
Sorry man, already did! :p Hey, let's shelve the Fix-dub issue and start
getting some DTV on the jam again, do you hear me??????
Take care!
- Mika Numminen - aarre.n@swipnet.se - http://www.hgs.se/~te95mne -
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 01:03:33 -0800
From: trevorw@ms.kallback.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: BOOM! - T.M.Stevens live (DTC)
Message-ID: <199703200903.BAA00217@ms.kallback.com>
>" I didn't know his music before but he blew me."
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Talk about fan appreciation!!!
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 01:11:55 -0800 (PST)
From: MAMALOOKABOOBOODAY <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Bay area exclusive - Loudness
Message-ID: <199703200911.BAA25398@serbia.it.earthlink.net>
Just got back from the Rainbow show, awesome time indeed. :95 from the master
of the Stratocaster. While I was there I got a ticket for Loudness Thursday
night
at the Edge in beautiful Palo Alto. Well, not that anyone *really* cares, but
this is Loudness' ONLY American concert appearance. Tix are only $7 and one of
the opening bands features Brian Wheat (formerly of Tesla). So if you're bored
thursday night and Must See TV has become Must Miss TV then drop on by for
some Japanese Hair Metal.
Scott
ps. Opening band tonight was Vicious Rumours and they was incredible!
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Kill Kill Kill..... the White Man; Kill him until he is dead.
Kill Kill Kill the White Man. Thank you.
Howard Stern as Mamalookaboobooday
Detroit's first black traffic reporter
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:21:40 +0100
From: HoT <HoT@popstar.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: B)
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970320092140.0067d65c@mailer.student.gu.se>
The Damnation game!
Yes DT rules!
...but can=B4t all the people out there do the same....stop talking about
boring bootlegging and fav. songs....who the f*** cares?
You don=B4t have to discuss Metallica or Megadeath- there are other bands=
out
there, progressive ones.....to talk about =B4til Santa Clause comes.
Lion=B4s Share
Symphony X -they rules
Artension
Black Jester
Threshold
Last Warning
Memento Mori
...for example....
More progressive, hard rocking bands- lets list them....
Make this list to a better one, a real progressive one.....
Hot
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 01:35:06 -0800 (PST)
From: MAMALOOKABOOBOODAY <skooc@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Steve Morse/Deep Purple
Message-ID: <199703200935.BAA26681@serbia.it.earthlink.net>
I don't know exactly when he joined but he is on DP's latest effort released in
1995, Purpendicular. I just picked up a used copy last this week and I think it
could possibly be one of the best albums Purple has ever done. I can't remember
the last time I heard a bands sound change so much by changing guitar players,
but Steve's influence is all over this cd. Damn it kicks ass!
Scott
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Kill Kill Kill..... the White Man; Kill him until he is dead.
Kill Kill Kill the White Man. Thank you.
Howard Stern as Mamalookaboobooday
Detroit's first black traffic reporter
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:49:40 +0000 (GMT)
From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: A good, old-fashioned business transaction gone sour
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.08-0320094940-0b0rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
> From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
> Subject: A good, old-fashioned business transaction gone sour
>
> I like the music DT produces, I respect their musical talents,
> but I owe them NOTHING. They have my dollar. I have their product.
No. If you're bootlegging, then:
They do not have your dollar. You have their product.
Do you think this is fair?
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889------------------------------
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 06:13:35 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Charlie D Message-ID: <33311BDF.422C@caribe.net>
MAMALOOKABOOBOODAY wrote: CD, > I don't think he was nearly as bad as some jammers make him out to be. > Even though I get flamed for this every time I mention it I don't give > a fuck because it's my opinion and if someone can't accept it and accept >
me neither.. and i dont know why.. but the songs w/ him on subconcious sound better (less "cheesy" vocals) than the ones in WDADu, at least IMO, thats kind of wierd cuz its always been mentined that he sucked live..i dont know i guess its kind of something to get used to.. "At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 06:20:09 -0500 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Fix, JP Guitar Playing, etc. Message-ID: <33311D69.4725@caribe.net>
MTeiper@aol.com wrote: Someone had said in a previous jam that while JP's > guitar playing was amazing from a technical point of view, he lacks "soul". > (I think that was the right term.) Whoa!!! This threw me for a loop. I > totally disagree with this, IMHO. I can honestly say that JP has the rare ability to, at times, hit > notes that cut to the very core of me and move me nearly to tears. I think > that he plays with more emotion than any other guitar player I've heard. > this is totally true..most people..bash "fast" guitarrist for not having soul..but JP is a very soulful player..when he wants to be..but that BS about not having soul comes around a lot..like when ppl say jp is a mixture of many other guitar players..when really "Whos not?" everyone has been influenced by the things they listen to..and easily enough you can distinguish a jp solo from a morse or a vai solo..
"At the edge of chaos, unexpected outcomes occur. The risk to survival is severe." Ian Malcolm http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytsekurt@geocities.com
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:35:44 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Most Frequently Misspelled Words Top 10 Message-ID: <199703201043.MAA13336@lahmaat.guvatrak.ee>
> HYPOCRISY. This is easily the most frequently misspelled word on > this jam and it hurts to see the mistake repeated so often.
I think not. It comes second, with "definitely" spelled with an A coming first. Oh, and almost forgot our beloved and thus constant misuse of "they're", "there", "their" and so forth. Not to mention "its" spelled as "it's"... ;-)
Raitz
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:39:54 +0200 (EET) From: satu.reunanen@sci.fi (Satu Reunanen) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Pat's post Message-ID: <199703201039.MAA12432@id4.sci.fi>
YAWN......... >1. dont agree to a trade if you dont have time to do it You're right, but everyday's a different day.
>2. if you agree to get a tape out by a specific day, do it, not a year >later You're right, but life's situations change. And boy, talk about a year getting FEW tapes out. That's bad.
>3. respond to emails if you owe someone tapes, ignoring them just pisses >them off more You're right, but not everyone is checking the mail every day. In my case, it can take a week to check my mails in the worst case. Or a month if I'm abroad ! It depends. I'm not a slave to machines. And first you need to send a mail before you get a reply to it. YAAAWWWNNNNNN........... Thanks go out to Mape for backing me up. And I think the problem is solved with me and Scott here. Hopefully.
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 04:39:35 -0800 (PST) From: imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: drain Message-ID: <199703201239.EAA26208@odin.ax.com>
> but Drain is definitely killer. >Very heavy and chunky, and all the members are female (not >that it means anything). The vocals are very good with >good harmonies, the rhythm is intense - the musicianship >isn't Dream Theater-esque or anything, but it's just straight >up and in-your-face stuff.
Could this be the Swedish band DRAIN? With the album "Horror wrestling"? If so, I would just like to warn everyone that they sound very much like Alice In Chains (not necessarily a bad thing).
Caught Motorhead live yesterday. It's amazing how they still rock after all these years.
As for DT blowing Megadeth off the stage, I'd have to say YES! I like Megadeth, but let's face it; they are pretty boring live.
oOo If a man could pass through Paradise in a dream, and have a flower presented to him as a pledge that his soul had really been there, and if he found that flower in his hand when he awoke - Aye, and what then? oOo Niklas
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:48:43 +0200 From: "Student Account (95)" <csst9525@cs.uoi.gr> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2362 Message-ID: <3331322B.73D2@cs.uoi.gr>
> Loreena McKennitt: She does all sorts of stuff, from Celtic traditional to > her own material in that vein to putting poetry to music, such as Tennyson's > "Lady of Shalott," which is just *phenomenal*. My mother, who normally > teases me on a regular basis about the music I listen to, heard me listening > to _The Visit_ the Christmas before last, borrowed the CD, and I didn't see > it again until I stole it back six months later.
Great to see a Loreena McKennitt fan here.I agree with you on the above.But my favorite band in new age would be Dead Can Dance.Lisa Gerrard's voice is superb!!
Paschalis,Elfstone
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:25:50 -0500 From: "Lauren Glenn" <L_Glenn@ix.netcom.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: (NTDC) Download RQ's CD Player from my WWW page Message-ID: <199703201328.HAA04153@dfw-ix11.ix.netcom.com>
Hello, again. :)
OK. Now, the ZIP file is on my WWW site. To stay within the 1MB limitation that Netcom has, I had to take out the setup-install program, which takes up about 500kB.
It does have the CD program, the required DLL, and some documentation to get you started.
The lyric file page is also up and running. Most of the links had to be fixed when they were transfered to my site and they hopefully all work now. E-mail me if you have any problems or questions. :)
Lauren
Lauren's home page at http://pw2.netcom.com/~l_glenn or http://pw1.netcom.com/~l_glenn ------------------------------- Featuring the newest version of RQ's CD Player 0.925 which can show lyrics as the CD is being played.
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:39:28 -0800 From: Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: HALLELUJAH!!!! Message-ID: <199703201338.AA03005@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hey kids! My esteemed thanks to the fellow who gave the Nuno show info! Since I blew my last opportunity at the Birch Hill, now I get a second chance I don't deserve to see Nuno live! The fortuitousness of my reading the jam right after I posted my apologies to others. He's also playing the Middle East in Philly the next day (April 11). Have to decide which show I want to see. But anyway: how does one get tickets to the Mercury Lounge? They aren't on the TicketBastard website. No one wants to make me an ACOS mix tape? *bats eyelashes* Don't tell me I'm going to have to go out and buy a bootleg!? Who can I provoke here... I have nothing in return except money and the Mind Control bootleg. Not that I'm selling the latter, but I can tape it. Still hard to believe I found it used for $11. hehe... Much delayed album review: Collective Soul's Disciplined Breakdown. For those who read the review on the jam that this sounds like the last album, that's exactly right. Their sound overall hasn't changed though I don't think they're songs sound that much alike, which to me is a good thing. They're reliable for good blues rock. The two real standouts so far are Precious Declaration and Blame. Both great songs. As usual Ross Childress tinkers with his lead tones over the course of the album, giving each song a very indivdual feel and texture. I really like this guys melodic soloing and restraint in most situations. Reminds me almost of Eliot Easton. I recommend the album if you liked the last one. At the same time I got the Jedi sndtrk and GC's Space In Your Face (latter on jam recommendations). Haven't given either a good enough listen to warrant a review. But am I the only one who had hoped that the symbol for the Alliance would be the design on the CD this time? (SW: Death Star, ESB: Imperial insignia). Oh, well!
Happy jamming!
Andrew
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:36:07 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Altura vs DT Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970320093348.22617C@bdmserver>
I'd thought I'd introduce a non fix debate topic:
I've listened to the Altura cd for months since I have gotten it. I know some jammers feel Altura just plainly ripped off DT. I dont see it at all.
Anyone want to elaborate more?
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