YTSEJAM digest 2374

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Thu Mar 20 1997 - 18:56:44 EST

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    Today's Topics:

      1) Collective Soul
     by Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
      2) Re: new thread possibly
     by imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg)
      3) Metrop. info
     by RubyRube@aol.com
      4) Re:DT vs. Megadeth live
     by evic@goodnet.com (Evicerator)
      5) Tickets
     by Ytse Jammer <100734.3240@CompuServe.COM>
      6) In search of sound/respect? try humility
     by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
      7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2373
     by Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
      8) info on dt items
     by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
      9) spelling
     by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
     10) LatM
     by Ryan Webb <ryanwebb@earthlink.net>
     11)
     by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
     12) Fix CD Boot In Europe?
     by MTeiper@aol.com
     13) Re: drain
     by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
     14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2373
     by jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
     15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2373
     by jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
     16) <knock knock> Still nobody home!
     by Ben Laussade <laussade@m5.sprynet.com>

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    Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:57:51 -0500 (EST)
    From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Collective Soul
    Message-ID: <199703202057.PAA03565@hammurabi.nh.ultra.net>

            Much delayed album review: Collective Soul's Disciplined
    Breakdown. For those who read the review on the jam that this sounds like
    the last album, that's exactly right. Their sound overall hasn't changed

            I have to disagree with Andrew. The last album (I feel) wasn't as
    computer oriented as this one. This album seems to have a lot more
    programmed tracks in it. Including the drums. The drums don't sound real.
    They sound like a rapper did them. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy all of their
    past stuff but this one stood out like "hints and allegations" did. That
    was programmed too. I don't know if I would recommed this album to someone
    if it was the first time they had listened to CS. Just my $.02, Later, J

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    Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:07:54 -0800 (PST)
    From: imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: new thread possibly
    Message-ID: <199703202107.NAA01330@odin.ax.com>

    > I just thought it would be cool for all people to write about the
    >coolest/funniest/most lame etc. stuff that has happened at DT gigs,

    > These are the events that I remember from the gig in Stockholm in Feb
    >1995 on the Awake-tour: First of all the band enters with PMU, and JLB gets
    >on stage and tries to start singing, but wtf!, the mike doesn't work, so he
    >starts fiddling with it, nothing happens, and he get like _PISSED_ and
    >throws the mike up into the light and it lands about an inch from the stage
    >manager who gets the shock of his life.

    Yeah, I remember reading about that in the paper. I was at the show in Malmo
    two days earlier (that would be Feb. 18th, for those of you who keep track
    of these things.) I can't remember what song it was, but it had to be one of
    their longer ones. Anyway, JLB had gone off stage as the rest of the guys
    were playing a long instrumental part, and as he made his way back to the
    microphone, JP decided to stand in his way. When JLB tried to move passed
    him, JP immediatley moved in the same direction, upon which JLB tried the
    other side and JP moved that way (well, you get the general idea). This
    caused JLB to miss the measure where he should start singing again, and they
    had to break out in some obscure improvised passage. When JLB finally made
    it to the mike, he looked really pissed.

    Well, this has been a lame telling of a lame story. For some good stories,
    try Denis Leary's "No Cure for Cancer".

    BTW, if anyone is thinking about going to Holland for the DT shows; THE
    TICKETS ARE SOLD OUT!!! (But I think Steve Vai will be playing in Nijemen on
    the 14th)

                                          oOo
                   If a man could pass through
                   Paradise in a dream, and have
                   a flower presented to him as a
                   pledge that his soul had really
                   been there, and if he found that
                   flower in his hand when he
                   awoke - Aye, and what then?
                                          oOo
    Niklas

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    Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:34:50 -0500 (EST)
    From: RubyRube@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Metrop. info
    Message-ID: <970320163221_511729398@emout03.mail.aol.com>

    Please, I'd be very greatful if someone could e-mail me (RubyRube.aol.com)
    and explain the Mtropolis story to me. I am in love with the song (and the
    band) and I'm dying to know what its about....thx. --Adam

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    Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:28:31 -0700 (MST)
    From: evic@goodnet.com (Evicerator)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re:DT vs. Megadeth live
    Message-ID: <199703202128.OAA03898@mailque.goodnet.com>

    >
    >>As for DT blowing Megadeth off the stage, I'd have to say YES! I like
    >>Megadeth, but let's face it; they are pretty boring live.
    >
    >Well, I've never seen DT live personally I have several of their shows on video
    >and I saw Megadeth in concert in 1987 and I would say that both bands have
    about
    >the same stage prescence.

            Well, buds, 1987 was 10 years ago...and if you caught any of the
    last 'deth dates on the Reckoning Day Tour, you'd know that they DEFINETLY
    spiced up the segues inbetween songs and keep things moving at a pretty
    UN-boring pace if you ask me.
            With the new material (which *thouroughly* rocks [btw, "Trust" will
    be the first single, being released sometime in May. Not quite indicadive
    of the "back to our roots...kindof"-feel that they wanted to get across, but
    still a really cool tune]) I'm sure this next tour will be just as crazy if
    not more than what they've done in the past.
            As far as "choreography" of the shows, I have to admit that I enjoy
    the more "all business" style show such as bands like 'deth put on.
    'tallica kinda stuff is corny...but I can't say that I don't like suprises ;)

            Laterz...and keep lookin' for that Zipper Pedal for me if you would ;)

                                            -Steve
            
                                                    
             

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    Date: 20 Mar 97 16:35:48 EST
    From: Ytse Jammer <100734.3240@CompuServe.COM>
    To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Tickets
    Message-ID: <970320213547_100734.3240_EHV91-1@CompuServe.COM>

    Hello,

    don't ask me why but now I have two extra tickets for the
    Noorderligt show on April, 15th.

    One ticket is for sale - 50 DM + postage -, the other ticket
    I'd like to trade for a ticket April, 16th.

    Please send me a mail, especially if you have a car:
    Perhaps we can work out the details for a trip to the
    Netherlands.
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Short note for the german Jammers :

    Tja, jetzt habe ich zwei Tickets ueber, denn der Fahrer ist
    abgesprungen. Falls jemand am 15. April mit dem Auto
    nach Tilburg faehrt und noch die Moeglichkeit besteht,
    mich mitzunehmen, sollten wir die Einzelheiten mgl. bald
    per e-mail oder persoenlich besprechen.
    Das Ticket wird dann natuerlich entsprechend billiger.

    read'ya soon

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    Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 21:43:35 +0000
    From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: In search of sound/respect? try humility
    Message-ID: <3331AF87.237C@mailstorm.dot.gov>

    Local (MA) jammers: Found a small used CD place in Jamaica Plain (just
    past where the Centre and So. Huntington fork comes together). There's
    some interesting jems (YES import from Milan, some *old* Judas Priest,
    Dead Can Dance to name a few) that might be of interest to some.

    I picked up a disc by Acoustic Alchemy called Aracanum for $7.95. I've
    heard 'em before on the airwaves and was impressed. I have to say the
    disc was well worth it. An electric, a steel string, a nylon string and
    a bass guitar combine for a very clean sound. It combines jazz, fusion,
    reggae, latin and is what I would consider progressive. The nylon is
    very DiMeola-ish at times :) I would strongly suggest this for any
    guitarists out there looking for progressions that have a lot of soul
    oozing out. Note, though, this is not hard edged.

    Also, headed over to Strawberries on Mem Drive. This place is chock full
    of Fates' discs!!!! Perhaps not for long though :) I picked up Chasing
    Time for $12 and an old YellowJackets disc.
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    > From: "Mark Fitchett" <mafit@msn.com>

    > He seems a really nice guy as well as being very talented and I commend him for
    > the job he has so far done,

    Well, having spoken to him briefly after the Strand show (to mention
    that the sound man needed to turn the keyboard volume up :), I'll
    confirm that he is, in fact, a nice guy! But you all already knew that,
    right guys/gals? :)

    > having to live up to someone else (something Kevin did not have to do)

    Only for those that need to pin him in that role. I just don't happen to
    look at it that way. At the Toronto clinic, somebody brought up the
    issue of Kevin's departure. Mike addressed it just fine and I content to
    leave it at that without having to re-interpret it.

    It's tough (impossible?) to completely let go of that of first love :)
    Hey, at least Kevin is still out there doing stuff!

    > and seemingly not losing his head (Some of the shit printed concernig him would
    > certainly upset me if I were he).

    Well, I imagine he understands the audience he's dealing with. "Uh,
    Waiter? Another grain of salt, please :)"

    > Looking forward to the new DT CD

    You know it!
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    > From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>

    > It's just uninteresting for Dream Theater fans, because no one even *mentions*
    > them here.

    Oh, but they do, if you know where to look. Stop dwelling on what you
    don't want to see start and producing what you do want to see. Just
    because the whole box ain't full of raisins doesn't mean the few in
    there are bad :)

    > We should be going for quality, not quantity. If you don't
    > have anything interesting to say, don't say it.

    There ya go! Fact is, uninteresting things (to some) WILL continue to be
    said. I prefer "if someone says something that not interesting (to you),
    don't reply to it"

    > Your opinion becomes irrelevant if you can't back it up with a valid reason.

    Valid is in the mind of the validator :) However, my opinion is always
    valid :):) It's an opinion. Let it be!!

    > Mark, a 26-year old guy from Rotterdam who can't shut the fuck up.

    but who makes some excellent points!

    Regards,

    Jon

    *------------*------------------------*--------------*
    | Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
    *------------*------------------------*--------------*

                    If I'd started from the top,
                    And worked my way down
                    There'd be no reason,
                    To live forever
                    To live forever - Dream Theater

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    Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:56:43 -0800
    From: Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2373
    Message-ID: <199703202156.AA04379@gateway2.prudential.com>

    Hello,
            Someone who shall remain nameless wrote about my brief spelling
    correction:

    >I am not an english major and neither are 99% of the other jammers. So
    >chill man. The point got across.

    Hmmm... I need to chill, eh? My note on the matter took up one paragraph
    of four sentences in a post with considerable musical content. Yours was
    considerably larger with no such content. Mine was meant to help, yours
    was meant to flame. "I" need to chill? I'm sending an iceberg your way
    buddy. Next time I'll just let people go on doing it wrong so when they
    write it for their boss some day, he can get a real good laugh at it...

    >I am writing quickly so I can post
    >down all of my thoughts and share them with fellow jammers.

    Fine, I do the same thing. It's hitting "send" quickly that I don't do.
    If you take a minute or two to re-read your post, you may find that
    thoughts come across much clearer in coherent sentences. Your post, by
    the way, was just such: a coherent one. If I get a few lines into a post
    and get confused by the person's writing, I give it one more shot, then
    give up. Therefore, the thoughts don't make it to this fellow jammer. My
    loss I guess...

    >Like some teacher is going to slap you on the hand
    >with a ruler 5 times because you spelled something wrong.

    Obviously he did not go to Catholic school...:)

    Just remember that everyone here is trying to give an educated opinion.
    All I'm trying to do is help. You didn't yell at your grade school
    teacher for telling you kat was spelled cat, did you? Oh, gee! I guess I
    do need to chill...:)

    Andrew
    "I'm sick of all you HYPOCRITES, holding me at bay..."

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    Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:16:22 -0600
    From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
    To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: info on dt items
    Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970320221622.006fea28@mail.inlink.com>

    hey guys, can anyone tell me anything about the Another day Maxi CD single
    with AFIL and AD live on it? i'm also looking for some info on the Images
    and Words as Madonna true blue.. like, wtf was it, a disc printing error
    where I&W was printed onto a madonna disc or something? scary thought :)

                            ~Rip

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    Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:30:51 -0400 (EDT)
    From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
    To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
    Subject: spelling
    Message-ID: <01IGQF4OI4ZMAUTTFX@alma.edu>

    >Fine, I do the same thing. It's hitting "send" quickly that I don't do.
    >If you take a minute or two to re-read your post, you may find that
    >thoughts come across much clearer in coherent sentences. Your post, by
    >
    I get my email through my school, and the word processing, if you can even
    call it that, that is available to us is very limiting. Once I enter a line,
    it's in, unless I want to retype the whole damn letter. I suspect that this
    is why a lot of posts have bad errors.

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    Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:30:49 -0800 (PST)
    From: Ryan Webb <ryanwebb@earthlink.net>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: LatM
    Message-ID: <199703202230.OAA21407@denmark.it.earthlink.net>

    I found an on-line site with Live at the Marquee and WDADU on their
    clearance page. LatM is 13.99 (usually about 18.00) and WDADU is
    also 13.99. The URL is: http://www.webcreations.com/jart/ for those
    of you who are interested. Go to the Clearance page to find these.
    They also have the Live in Tokyo Video, for 19.99.

    Ryan

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    Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:35:56 -0800
    From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
    To: gborland@apsoft.co.uk
    Cc: ytsejam@ax.com
    Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970321013556.0066a75c@pop.pipeline.com>

    I wrote, and Graham responded:

    >> but I owe them NOTHING. They have my dollar. I have their product.
    >
    >No. If you're bootlegging, then:
    >
    > They do not have your dollar. You have their product.
    >
    >Do you think this is fair?
    >
    >Graham

    Ah, but I don't have the product. And I am not bootlegging. I was speaking
    more in general about how everyone insists we owe something to the band.
    I don't think people should boot the shows, not because they asked us not
    to, but because it's not the right thing to do.

    GO WINGS!

    Kevin

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    Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:12:19 -0500 (EST)
    From: MTeiper@aol.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Fix CD Boot In Europe?
    Message-ID: <970320181218_545296052@emout02.mail.aol.com>

    Hi Friends -

         Someone mentioned the rumor that a Fix for '96 CD Boot already exists in
    Europe. Just out of curiosity, can anyone definitely confirm or deny its
    existence? I was just wondering...

         Thanks! - Matt T.

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    Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:35:00 -0500 (EST)
    From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: drain
    Message-ID: <199703202334.PAA03108@odin.ax.com>

    >
    > > but Drain is definitely killer.
    > >Very heavy and chunky, and all the members are female (not
    > >that it means anything). The vocals are very good with
    > >good harmonies, the rhythm is intense - the musicianship
    > >isn't Dream Theater-esque or anything, but it's just straight
    > >up and in-your-face stuff.
    >
    > Could this be the Swedish band DRAIN? With the album "Horror wrestling"? If
    > so, I would just like to warn everyone that they sound very much like Alice
    > In Chains (not necessarily a bad thing).
    >

            yes, the album is "horror Wrestling". The vocals sound like
            AiC (female vocals going thru heavy distortion/overmodulation)
            but the actual music is heavier and chunkier....

            Just thought I'd throw that in so people don't buy this album
            cuz of the AiC factor (and I *know* there are people like
            that out there....)

                                            -Al

    -- 
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    Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:26:22 -0700 From: jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2373 Message-ID: <v02130504af57680e92b7@[128.32.100.59]>

    >If the new material is "top secret" and not ment for their core fan base to >hear. Than why have a "FIX" mini tour? With all the points made in the >last week, I still can't figure out why they didn't want those shows >taped. Why were only a portion of fans allowed to hear it ? (east coast >fans) I would love to hear a little more detail as to why, from an >"official" source close to the band.

    I just wanted to comment on a good point made here. I am a DT fan, but fate has dealt me the hand of living on the west coast. Now this puts me in a pretty lame position. I love DT, hell like most of you I listen to at least one DT song a day (I don't even want to say how long LATM has been in my player) but it always kinda puts me out hearing about the clinics, the shows, and whatnot that happens on the east coast. I would love to go to some of John's guitar clinics, hell I could use the help, I would even go to MIke's ones also just cause I love his drum work, and God knows I would go to the shows, but I am not able to. I know it sounds like I am bitchin, but I am just voicing my opinions about my inability to be what some people on the list call a "true DT fan." I don't believe any of that crap mind you but I will say I do have a boot or two of theirs and I love how they sound live, I just wish I could see them live instead of just hearing it or reading about how cool they were at their shows.

    -Shane

    ______________________________________________________________________________ I Shane Liebling I You can call me Kennedy, you may have I I jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu I killed him, but you cannot kill me. I I http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi I - Spock's Beard "The Light" I I____________________________________I_______________________________________I

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    Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:42:19 -0700 From: jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2373 Message-ID: <v02130506af576d83db21@[128.32.100.59]>

    >In my CD player:Paraphernalia/FM >In my LD player:Evangelion Genesis 0:10

    Not only do you have good taste in music, you have good taste in anime! Not bad at all.

    -Shane

    ______________________________________________________________________________ I Shane Liebling I You can call me Kennedy, you may have I I jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu I killed him, but you cannot kill me. I I http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi I - Spock's Beard "The Light" I I____________________________________I_______________________________________I

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    Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:47:57 -0800 From: Ben Laussade <laussade@m5.sprynet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: <knock knock> Still nobody home! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970320154757.0068c834@m5.sprynet.com>

    >What The hell does that mean, "Don't dislike music because you think people wantyou to dislike it" ?

    It means something to the effect of..."Don't dislike music because you think people want you to dislike it." i.e., everybody hates country, so I think I'll hate country too.

    >You're a fucking idiot.

    I wish. Bafu never inducted me.

    >Read what I wrote.

    I already did.

    >I'm not even going to respond to this.

    heh. Guess what, muh man. You already did.

    >Your posts are funny sometimes, but I guess this is >what happens when you actually try to think.

    I never try to think.

    >But if everyone agrees that the definition >of "prog" is that the bands keep changing their sound, then my question is >this: can a band be progressive on its first album?

    Why divide a band's musical progression through albums? Songs on all the DT albums, for instance, weren't all written at the same time. For one album, the way to discern progressive from nonprogressive is if it encompasses more than one style.

    >And how can someone say something "sounds kind of proggy" if the word only >means that it all sounds different. I still say that this definition includes >every band on the face of the planet except maybe ACDC.

    LOL. AC/DC. :) But, take...um...Fates Warning for instance. Just counting their latest two albums, Parallels and Inside Out. We all refer to them as prog...even though both of those albums sound (IMO) very similar stylistically. Those albums may not fit my definition of prog...but they don't fit into any other known musical genre. Maybe we should come up with another term for bands that write complexly and have odd times and great talent...or just make progressive have a double meaning...those who's sounds change over time, and those who aren't afraid to be different. BTW, most bands are progressive...just some a lot more than others. I could probably say that I only like progressive music and not be lying, but classical music could be a possilbe exception to that...I'm not in the mood to think about how that could be progressive or not. :) And believe me, I like a LOT of music. Another BTW...that first reply was not meant as a flame. I use the word 'dumbass' as a term of endearment.

    Buhbye.

    Ben Laussade isn't wearing any pants.

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