YTSEJAM Digest 2374
Today's Topics:
1) Collective Soul
by Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
2) Re: new thread possibly
by imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg)
3) Metrop. info
by RubyRube@aol.com
4) Re:DT vs. Megadeth live
by evic@goodnet.com (Evicerator)
5) Tickets
by Ytse Jammer <100734.3240@CompuServe.COM>
6) In search of sound/respect? try humility
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2373
by Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
8) info on dt items
by "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
9) spelling
by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
10) LatM
by Ryan Webb <ryanwebb@earthlink.net>
11)
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
12) Fix CD Boot In Europe?
by MTeiper@aol.com
13) Re: drain
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2373
by jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2373
by jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling)
16) <knock knock> Still nobody home!
by Ben Laussade <laussade@m5.sprynet.com>
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:57:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Collective Soul
Message-ID: <199703202057.PAA03565@hammurabi.nh.ultra.net>
Much delayed album review: Collective Soul's Disciplined
Breakdown. For those who read the review on the jam that this sounds like
the last album, that's exactly right. Their sound overall hasn't changed
I have to disagree with Andrew. The last album (I feel) wasn't as
computer oriented as this one. This album seems to have a lot more
programmed tracks in it. Including the drums. The drums don't sound real.
They sound like a rapper did them. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy all of their
past stuff but this one stood out like "hints and allegations" did. That
was programmed too. I don't know if I would recommed this album to someone
if it was the first time they had listened to CS. Just my $.02, Later, J
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:07:54 -0800 (PST)
From: imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: new thread possibly
Message-ID: <199703202107.NAA01330@odin.ax.com>
> I just thought it would be cool for all people to write about the
>coolest/funniest/most lame etc. stuff that has happened at DT gigs,
> These are the events that I remember from the gig in Stockholm in Feb
>1995 on the Awake-tour: First of all the band enters with PMU, and JLB gets
>on stage and tries to start singing, but wtf!, the mike doesn't work, so he
>starts fiddling with it, nothing happens, and he get like _PISSED_ and
>throws the mike up into the light and it lands about an inch from the stage
>manager who gets the shock of his life.
Yeah, I remember reading about that in the paper. I was at the show in Malmo
two days earlier (that would be Feb. 18th, for those of you who keep track
of these things.) I can't remember what song it was, but it had to be one of
their longer ones. Anyway, JLB had gone off stage as the rest of the guys
were playing a long instrumental part, and as he made his way back to the
microphone, JP decided to stand in his way. When JLB tried to move passed
him, JP immediatley moved in the same direction, upon which JLB tried the
other side and JP moved that way (well, you get the general idea). This
caused JLB to miss the measure where he should start singing again, and they
had to break out in some obscure improvised passage. When JLB finally made
it to the mike, he looked really pissed.
Well, this has been a lame telling of a lame story. For some good stories,
try Denis Leary's "No Cure for Cancer".
BTW, if anyone is thinking about going to Holland for the DT shows; THE
TICKETS ARE SOLD OUT!!! (But I think Steve Vai will be playing in Nijemen on
the 14th)
oOo
If a man could pass through
Paradise in a dream, and have
a flower presented to him as a
pledge that his soul had really
been there, and if he found that
flower in his hand when he
awoke - Aye, and what then?
oOo
Niklas
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:34:50 -0500 (EST)
From: RubyRube@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Metrop. info
Message-ID: <970320163221_511729398@emout03.mail.aol.com>
Please, I'd be very greatful if someone could e-mail me (RubyRube.aol.com)
and explain the Mtropolis story to me. I am in love with the song (and the
band) and I'm dying to know what its about....thx. --Adam
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:28:31 -0700 (MST)
From: evic@goodnet.com (Evicerator)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re:DT vs. Megadeth live
Message-ID: <199703202128.OAA03898@mailque.goodnet.com>
>
>>As for DT blowing Megadeth off the stage, I'd have to say YES! I like
>>Megadeth, but let's face it; they are pretty boring live.
>
>Well, I've never seen DT live personally I have several of their shows on video
>and I saw Megadeth in concert in 1987 and I would say that both bands have
about
>the same stage prescence.
Well, buds, 1987 was 10 years ago...and if you caught any of the
last 'deth dates on the Reckoning Day Tour, you'd know that they DEFINETLY
spiced up the segues inbetween songs and keep things moving at a pretty
UN-boring pace if you ask me.
With the new material (which *thouroughly* rocks [btw, "Trust" will
be the first single, being released sometime in May. Not quite indicadive
of the "back to our roots...kindof"-feel that they wanted to get across, but
still a really cool tune]) I'm sure this next tour will be just as crazy if
not more than what they've done in the past.
As far as "choreography" of the shows, I have to admit that I enjoy
the more "all business" style show such as bands like 'deth put on.
'tallica kinda stuff is corny...but I can't say that I don't like suprises ;)
Laterz...and keep lookin' for that Zipper Pedal for me if you would ;)
-Steve
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Date: 20 Mar 97 16:35:48 EST
From: Ytse Jammer <100734.3240@CompuServe.COM>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Tickets
Message-ID: <970320213547_100734.3240_EHV91-1@CompuServe.COM>
Hello,
don't ask me why but now I have two extra tickets for the
Noorderligt show on April, 15th.
One ticket is for sale - 50 DM + postage -, the other ticket
I'd like to trade for a ticket April, 16th.
Please send me a mail, especially if you have a car:
Perhaps we can work out the details for a trip to the
Netherlands.
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Short note for the german Jammers :
Tja, jetzt habe ich zwei Tickets ueber, denn der Fahrer ist
abgesprungen. Falls jemand am 15. April mit dem Auto
nach Tilburg faehrt und noch die Moeglichkeit besteht,
mich mitzunehmen, sollten wir die Einzelheiten mgl. bald
per e-mail oder persoenlich besprechen.
Das Ticket wird dann natuerlich entsprechend billiger.
read'ya soon
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 21:43:35 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: In search of sound/respect? try humility
Message-ID: <3331AF87.237C@mailstorm.dot.gov>
Local (MA) jammers: Found a small used CD place in Jamaica Plain (just
past where the Centre and So. Huntington fork comes together). There's
some interesting jems (YES import from Milan, some *old* Judas Priest,
Dead Can Dance to name a few) that might be of interest to some.
I picked up a disc by Acoustic Alchemy called Aracanum for $7.95. I've
heard 'em before on the airwaves and was impressed. I have to say the
disc was well worth it. An electric, a steel string, a nylon string and
a bass guitar combine for a very clean sound. It combines jazz, fusion,
reggae, latin and is what I would consider progressive. The nylon is
very DiMeola-ish at times :) I would strongly suggest this for any
guitarists out there looking for progressions that have a lot of soul
oozing out. Note, though, this is not hard edged.
Also, headed over to Strawberries on Mem Drive. This place is chock full
of Fates' discs!!!! Perhaps not for long though :) I picked up Chasing
Time for $12 and an old YellowJackets disc.
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> From: "Mark Fitchett" <mafit@msn.com>
> He seems a really nice guy as well as being very talented and I commend him for
> the job he has so far done,
Well, having spoken to him briefly after the Strand show (to mention
that the sound man needed to turn the keyboard volume up :), I'll
confirm that he is, in fact, a nice guy! But you all already knew that,
right guys/gals? :)
> having to live up to someone else (something Kevin did not have to do)
Only for those that need to pin him in that role. I just don't happen to
look at it that way. At the Toronto clinic, somebody brought up the
issue of Kevin's departure. Mike addressed it just fine and I content to
leave it at that without having to re-interpret it.
It's tough (impossible?) to completely let go of that of first love :)
Hey, at least Kevin is still out there doing stuff!
> and seemingly not losing his head (Some of the shit printed concernig him would
> certainly upset me if I were he).
Well, I imagine he understands the audience he's dealing with. "Uh,
Waiter? Another grain of salt, please :)"
> Looking forward to the new DT CD
You know it!
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> From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
> It's just uninteresting for Dream Theater fans, because no one even *mentions*
> them here.
Oh, but they do, if you know where to look. Stop dwelling on what you
don't want to see start and producing what you do want to see. Just
because the whole box ain't full of raisins doesn't mean the few in
there are bad :)
> We should be going for quality, not quantity. If you don't
> have anything interesting to say, don't say it.
There ya go! Fact is, uninteresting things (to some) WILL continue to be
said. I prefer "if someone says something that not interesting (to you),
don't reply to it"
> Your opinion becomes irrelevant if you can't back it up with a valid reason.
Valid is in the mind of the validator :) However, my opinion is always
valid :):) It's an opinion. Let it be!!
> Mark, a 26-year old guy from Rotterdam who can't shut the fuck up.
but who makes some excellent points!
Regards,
Jon
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| Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
*------------*------------------------*--------------*
If I'd started from the top,
And worked my way down
There'd be no reason,
To live forever
To live forever - Dream Theater
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:56:43 -0800
From: Andrew Forcier <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2373
Message-ID: <199703202156.AA04379@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello,
Someone who shall remain nameless wrote about my brief spelling
correction:
>I am not an english major and neither are 99% of the other jammers. So
>chill man. The point got across.
Hmmm... I need to chill, eh? My note on the matter took up one paragraph
of four sentences in a post with considerable musical content. Yours was
considerably larger with no such content. Mine was meant to help, yours
was meant to flame. "I" need to chill? I'm sending an iceberg your way
buddy. Next time I'll just let people go on doing it wrong so when they
write it for their boss some day, he can get a real good laugh at it...
>I am writing quickly so I can post
>down all of my thoughts and share them with fellow jammers.
Fine, I do the same thing. It's hitting "send" quickly that I don't do.
If you take a minute or two to re-read your post, you may find that
thoughts come across much clearer in coherent sentences. Your post, by
the way, was just such: a coherent one. If I get a few lines into a post
and get confused by the person's writing, I give it one more shot, then
give up. Therefore, the thoughts don't make it to this fellow jammer. My
loss I guess...
>Like some teacher is going to slap you on the hand
>with a ruler 5 times because you spelled something wrong.
Obviously he did not go to Catholic school...:)
Just remember that everyone here is trying to give an educated opinion.
All I'm trying to do is help. You didn't yell at your grade school
teacher for telling you kat was spelled cat, did you? Oh, gee! I guess I
do need to chill...:)
Andrew
"I'm sick of all you HYPOCRITES, holding me at bay..."
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:16:22 -0600
From: "Rip, Cow Virtuoso" <ripzero@dreamt.org>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: info on dt items
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970320221622.006fea28@mail.inlink.com>
hey guys, can anyone tell me anything about the Another day Maxi CD single
with AFIL and AD live on it? i'm also looking for some info on the Images
and Words as Madonna true blue.. like, wtf was it, a disc printing error
where I&W was printed onto a madonna disc or something? scary thought :)
~Rip
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:30:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: spelling
Message-ID: <01IGQF4OI4ZMAUTTFX@alma.edu>
>Fine, I do the same thing. It's hitting "send" quickly that I don't do.
>If you take a minute or two to re-read your post, you may find that
>thoughts come across much clearer in coherent sentences. Your post, by
>
I get my email through my school, and the word processing, if you can even
call it that, that is available to us is very limiting. Once I enter a line,
it's in, unless I want to retype the whole damn letter. I suspect that this
is why a lot of posts have bad errors.
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:30:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Ryan Webb <ryanwebb@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: LatM
Message-ID: <199703202230.OAA21407@denmark.it.earthlink.net>
I found an on-line site with Live at the Marquee and WDADU on their
clearance page. LatM is 13.99 (usually about 18.00) and WDADU is
also 13.99. The URL is: http://www.webcreations.com/jart/ for those
of you who are interested. Go to the Clearance page to find these.
They also have the Live in Tokyo Video, for 19.99.
Ryan
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:35:56 -0800
From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: gborland@apsoft.co.uk
Cc: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970321013556.0066a75c@pop.pipeline.com>
I wrote, and Graham responded:
>> but I owe them NOTHING. They have my dollar. I have their product.
>
>No. If you're bootlegging, then:
>
> They do not have your dollar. You have their product.
>
>Do you think this is fair?
>
>Graham
Ah, but I don't have the product. And I am not bootlegging. I was speaking
more in general about how everyone insists we owe something to the band.
I don't think people should boot the shows, not because they asked us not
to, but because it's not the right thing to do.
GO WINGS!
Kevin
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:12:19 -0500 (EST)
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fix CD Boot In Europe?
Message-ID: <970320181218_545296052@emout02.mail.aol.com>
Hi Friends -
Someone mentioned the rumor that a Fix for '96 CD Boot already exists in
Europe. Just out of curiosity, can anyone definitely confirm or deny its
existence? I was just wondering...
Thanks! - Matt T.
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:35:00 -0500 (EST)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: drain
Message-ID: <199703202334.PAA03108@odin.ax.com>
>
> > but Drain is definitely killer.
> >Very heavy and chunky, and all the members are female (not
> >that it means anything). The vocals are very good with
> >good harmonies, the rhythm is intense - the musicianship
> >isn't Dream Theater-esque or anything, but it's just straight
> >up and in-your-face stuff.
>
> Could this be the Swedish band DRAIN? With the album "Horror wrestling"? If
> so, I would just like to warn everyone that they sound very much like Alice
> In Chains (not necessarily a bad thing).
>
yes, the album is "horror Wrestling". The vocals sound like
AiC (female vocals going thru heavy distortion/overmodulation)
but the actual music is heavier and chunkier....
Just thought I'd throw that in so people don't buy this album
cuz of the AiC factor (and I *know* there are people like
that out there....)
-Al
-- @#%^$#%^#$&#%%$&#$%^#$%^#$%&#$%^&#$%^&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%&#$%^&%$ | | | See me gone and persevere.... | | Condescending when you label me Judas.... | | | #$%^#%&#%^$*%&*^&*%&(%^&(%^&*(%^&*(*%^&*$^&*#^%&#^*$%^&*#%^&*#$%& | Al Balkiewicz SEND MAIL HERE -->balkiewi @ njmsa.umdnj.edu | | OR HERE! --->DA_PROF @ BIGFOOT.COM | %@#$^@#$^@^%%$&#$&^*$%&*$&*$%^$&$%^&$%^*$^%&*$%^&*$%^*$%^&%$^&%$%------------------------------
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:26:22 -0700 From: jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2373 Message-ID: <v02130504af57680e92b7@[128.32.100.59]>
>If the new material is "top secret" and not ment for their core fan base to >hear. Than why have a "FIX" mini tour? With all the points made in the >last week, I still can't figure out why they didn't want those shows >taped. Why were only a portion of fans allowed to hear it ? (east coast >fans) I would love to hear a little more detail as to why, from an >"official" source close to the band.
I just wanted to comment on a good point made here. I am a DT fan, but fate has dealt me the hand of living on the west coast. Now this puts me in a pretty lame position. I love DT, hell like most of you I listen to at least one DT song a day (I don't even want to say how long LATM has been in my player) but it always kinda puts me out hearing about the clinics, the shows, and whatnot that happens on the east coast. I would love to go to some of John's guitar clinics, hell I could use the help, I would even go to MIke's ones also just cause I love his drum work, and God knows I would go to the shows, but I am not able to. I know it sounds like I am bitchin, but I am just voicing my opinions about my inability to be what some people on the list call a "true DT fan." I don't believe any of that crap mind you but I will say I do have a boot or two of theirs and I love how they sound live, I just wish I could see them live instead of just hearing it or reading about how cool they were at their shows.
-Shane
______________________________________________________________________________ I Shane Liebling I You can call me Kennedy, you may have I I jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu I killed him, but you cannot kill me. I I http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi I - Spock's Beard "The Light" I I____________________________________I_______________________________________I
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:42:19 -0700 From: jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu (Shane Liebling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2373 Message-ID: <v02130506af576d83db21@[128.32.100.59]>
>In my CD player:Paraphernalia/FM >In my LD player:Evangelion Genesis 0:10
Not only do you have good taste in music, you have good taste in anime! Not bad at all.
-Shane
______________________________________________________________________________ I Shane Liebling I You can call me Kennedy, you may have I I jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu I killed him, but you cannot kill me. I I http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi I - Spock's Beard "The Light" I I____________________________________I_______________________________________I
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:47:57 -0800 From: Ben Laussade <laussade@m5.sprynet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: <knock knock> Still nobody home! Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970320154757.0068c834@m5.sprynet.com>
>What The hell does that mean, "Don't dislike music because you think people wantyou to dislike it" ?
It means something to the effect of..."Don't dislike music because you think people want you to dislike it." i.e., everybody hates country, so I think I'll hate country too.
>You're a fucking idiot.
I wish. Bafu never inducted me.
>Read what I wrote.
I already did.
>I'm not even going to respond to this.
heh. Guess what, muh man. You already did.
>Your posts are funny sometimes, but I guess this is >what happens when you actually try to think.
I never try to think.
>But if everyone agrees that the definition >of "prog" is that the bands keep changing their sound, then my question is >this: can a band be progressive on its first album?
Why divide a band's musical progression through albums? Songs on all the DT albums, for instance, weren't all written at the same time. For one album, the way to discern progressive from nonprogressive is if it encompasses more than one style.
>And how can someone say something "sounds kind of proggy" if the word only >means that it all sounds different. I still say that this definition includes >every band on the face of the planet except maybe ACDC.
LOL. AC/DC. :) But, take...um...Fates Warning for instance. Just counting their latest two albums, Parallels and Inside Out. We all refer to them as prog...even though both of those albums sound (IMO) very similar stylistically. Those albums may not fit my definition of prog...but they don't fit into any other known musical genre. Maybe we should come up with another term for bands that write complexly and have odd times and great talent...or just make progressive have a double meaning...those who's sounds change over time, and those who aren't afraid to be different. BTW, most bands are progressive...just some a lot more than others. I could probably say that I only like progressive music and not be lying, but classical music could be a possilbe exception to that...I'm not in the mood to think about how that could be progressive or not. :) And believe me, I like a LOT of music. Another BTW...that first reply was not meant as a flame. I use the word 'dumbass' as a term of endearment.
Buhbye.
Ben Laussade isn't wearing any pants.
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