YTSEJAM Digest 2375
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2373
by Loren Caler <llc@sure.net>
2) DT Singles
by Loren Caler <llc@sure.net>
3) Megadeth x DT
by vanzin@dks.com.br
4) Enough is enough - GET OVER IT!
by andrade6@netcom.ca
5) :-)
by Ben Laussade <laussade@m5.sprynet.com>
6) The 'jam is full of spam...
by George Kirk <kirk1740@mach1.wlu.ca>
7) More definition of prog
by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
8) "Fix This!!" AKA "ALL HAIL CLIFF!!"
by wax@sprynet.com
9) poiple
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
10) Other musics
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
11) mispelled wurds top tenn.
by Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
12) Security at Fix shows.
by "Jonathan Dery" <metropolis@net1plus.com>
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2373
by the bitch <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu>
14) perple
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
15) Apply brakes...HERE!!!
by David Swanston <DGSWANSTON@CSUPomona.Edu>
16) Addendum
by David Swanston <DGSWANSTON@CSUPomona.Edu>
17) Ruddess Morgenstein Update
by Michael Pomerleau <Michael_Pomerleau@compuserve.com>
18) Re: More definition of prog
by Mika Numminen <aarre.n@swipnet.se>
19) mega-DT
by imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg)
20) DTIFC
by Neil Elliott <Images_and_Words@compuserve.com>
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:34:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Loren Caler <llc@sure.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2373
Message-ID: <199703210134.RAA18329@sure.net>
>From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com>
>Subject: Most Frequently Misspelled Words Top 10
>I must respond and give my opinion to what was posted in a recent jam.
>First of all, this is not a spelling bee nor a college english composition
>class. :) Secondly, I think that if you spell the word wrong, you shouldn't
>have to worry about it. Like some teacher is going to slap you on the hand
>with a ruler 5 times because you spelled something wrong.
> What I am trying to say is. I am not writing a thesis for my
>masters degree when I write to the jam. I am writing quickly so I can post
>down all of my thoughts and share them with fellow jammers. I am not an
>english major and neither are 99% of the other jammers. So chill man. The
>point got across. The words might have been spelled wrong but that's okay.
>It's not like we are writing to the President or something. (although it
>would be kind of neat to write a letter to the President asking for
>education reform and spell all the words wrong. That I think would get
>something going in their minds! :)
> Later, J
Eeeeeeeeekk!!! If you were talking about when I pointed out the word
"excepted" for "accepted", you took it the wrong way. I meant it in a
jesting manner. You really think that I believe we should all be wooried
about every word we spell on the Jam? I was just putting a little humor in
the post....to liven it up ya know. :)/.
Now if you all started to use Ebonics.........:P.
I bees seeinja laterz,
I-van
(no flames (racial or otherwise) intended in this post)
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:40:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Loren Caler <llc@sure.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT Singles
Message-ID: <199703210140.RAA18772@sure.net>
Can someone please private e-mail me with some sites (reputible
ones) where I can order DT's single CD's. I HAVE NEVER HEARD "EVE"!!!!!!
I've heard I've been deprived because I haven't. Make sure it's private
e-mail so we don't take up Jam space...thanx.
I-Van
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 22:43:56 -0300
From: vanzin@dks.com.br
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Megadeth x DT
Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.17.3.20.-10.43.56.2579404677.641868@dks.com.br>
hey there,
YT>Well, I've never seen DT live personally I have several of their shows on vi
So haven't I... :(
YT>and I saw Megadeth in concert in 1987 and I would say that both bands have a
YT>the same stage prescence. The only person that really moves around in DT is
YT>Petrucci, Myung just pretty much stands there and most of the time JLB is ju
YT>standing in one place except when there's a solo when he leaves the stage. T
YT>isn't a slam on DT, after all to me it's the music that's most important. Bu
YT>to say they have more of stage prescence.....
I haven't seen Megadeth live either (damn it! I still regret
missing that '95 Monsters of Rock here... Megadeth... Ozzy...), but, as
you said, Petrucci at least moves around on stage, while no one in
Megadeth seems to give a step out of place. :) Point to DT. :)
Anyway, I love the music of them both, and their shows would
rule. If it wasn't that way, I would have hated Satch's show here,
'cause although the sound and the music was great, his performance
sucked a lot (on second thought, which performance??? :) ).
[]'s
Marcelo Vanzin
Sใo Paulo - Brasil
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 21:01:40 -0500 (EST)
From: andrade6@netcom.ca
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Enough is enough - GET OVER IT!
Message-ID: <1997320205842541@ix.netcom.com>
/me gets up on her soapbox
Ok, this whole bootlegging arguement. STOP!! PLEASE!! This issue has been
beaten to death already!! Look, I'm not condemning NOR condoning
bootlegging - whether I do or not isn't the issue, the issue is - **no
matter how much you scream and yell and bitch about it, it ISN'T GOING TO GO
AWAY!!** Trying to rid the world of bootlegging is like trying to get rid
of world hunger. It's impossible.
Now, I'm not by any means saying that people shouldn't express their
opinions - go for it, and all the more power to you! BUT, please leave it
at that. This flame war is fucking ridiculous!! I don't bother reading
this anymore, it goes straight to the trash the second I see a bootlegging
thread. It's cool to express your opinion, it's cool if people agree, and
there is ALWAYS the flip side where people won't agree, which is cool too.
It's called LIFE people. Get used to it.
I'm getting off track here - The fact is that bootlegging is INEVITABLE
(yes people, **INEVITABLE**) and CANNOT BE STOPPED. Therefore, there is no
damn point of getting blue in the face, bitching at people, and getting
angry. There are no winners here, and all this arguing is doing is pulling
this list apart. Go for it, express your opinion, let others do the same,
go ahead and argue it if you'd like, but don't go getting personal and start
lunging for the throat. I think we're all more mature than that. At least
I thought I did.
Now, please, follow my lead, and everyone get the hell off their soapboxes.
/me gets down off her soapbox.
Ryanne
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:13:59 -0800
From: Ben Laussade <laussade@m5.sprynet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: :-)
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970320181359.00688604@m5.sprynet.com>
>Ben Laussade isn't wearing any pants.
>
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Now what better way to end a jam than that, eh?
:-)
Ben Laussade isn't wearing any pants.
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 21:27:03 -0500 (EST)
From: George Kirk <kirk1740@mach1.wlu.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The 'jam is full of spam...
Message-ID: <Pine.3.89.9703202139.A871-0100000@mach1.wlu.ca>
I'm pretty new here (only about 3 weeks actually), but what gets me about
this list is the amount of SHIT on it, and non-DT stuff.
Why do people have to have 20 line sigs at the end of their post, or long
DT quotes for? We're all fans, we know the songs, and we know that each
one of us is fanatical about the band. No need to demonstrate it by
wasting space at the end of a message. Why not sign off with one or two
lines, like NAME and E-MAIL address.
There is a newsgroup for "progressive" music, isn't there? Maybe all the
non-DT related stuff that deals with prog bands should be there instead
of cluttering up the 'jam. I was expecting a mailing list that dealt
primarily with DT, not a bunch of other bands, or unrelated threads.
Now that I've wasted space...see you all later.
George Kirk
kirk1740@mach1.wlu.ca
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 21:47:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: More definition of prog
Message-ID: <01IGQNS3WCCYAUTS5B@alma.edu>
>most bands are progressive...just some a lot more than others. I could
>probably say that I only like progressive music and not be lying, but
Thank you, Ben, for at least addressing the question I originally
asked. I still think it's a shaky argument, and I doubt that everyone on this
list would agree that most bands are progressive. That's certainly not evident
in the way the word is used. But still, I kind of like the sound of that: All
bands are progressive...just some a lot more than others.
Oh, you meant like dumbass in a good way? If this is really true, and
I suspect that it *might* be, then I'm sorry I called you a fucking idiot,
which, incidentally, I also meant in a good way.
And lastly, I don't hate country music because I think people want me
to dislike it. I hate it because it sucks. Seriously, though, I will be the
first (maybe one of the first) on this list to support other people's right
to listen to whatever the hell they want. I'm sorry if my last few posts have
not made that clear. That's why I threw that last paragraph into the first
post on this, and that's what I don't think you read.
-Clark
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 21:48:38 -0500
From: wax@sprynet.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: "Fix This!!" AKA "ALL HAIL CLIFF!!"
Message-ID: <3331F706.689F@sprynet.com>
Again, I don't post very frequently, but I'm always in the shadows and I
must send a tip of the Waxman's hat and a big 'ol "AMEN, BRUTHA!!" to
Cliff Totten in addressing all the whiners who are bitching about
distibuting boots of the "Fix" shows. I agree 250% that there is not a
"true fan" out there who would not buy a new release from DT THE FUCKING
DAY IT CAME OUT even if they had 10,000 different boots of the new
material and since EastWest refuses to remove their motherfucking thumbs
from their goddamned asses, why deprive said fans of the new material
other than to be a selfish asshole??!!
Isn't it mysterious that the bitches doing all the whining are the
people who ALREADY HAVE their copies of the "Fix" boots? Now they want
to preach to others the sins of duplicating so as to "respect the
band." I'm sure you're all burning your copies in respect as you type,
right??!! Why don't you just come right out and say "I got mine, so
fuck everyone else!!" That's exactly what you mean when you write such
self-righteous shit!
Lemme tell ya something, I have the utmost respect for the band, and I
too would buy 10 copies of the new album if it EVER got released just to
support DT because they are THAT GOOD, but let's face the sad truth:
the corporate douchebags at EastWest/Atlantic no longer consider DT a
priority <what with metal being dead and all - HA!!> and it's only a
matter of time before they give the band the boot <which would be a
blessing because you know goddamn well if they've kept 'em out of the
studio this fucking long, they sure as shit aren't gonna do squat as far
as promoting the album>. I think the band should be shopping around for
a real label. If the petition has taught EastWest nothing about the DT
fanbase, then they don't DESERVE to keep a band of such immense talent
and I can assure you that I'll be the first in line to laugh in their
face when DT goes to another label and makes MILLIONS!!! So, in the
meantime of God knows how many months or years, why the hell not let the
fans get a fix, that's what the fuck the tour is all about!!
Sorry to rant, but I just can't stand selfish, self-righteous assholes
who are too ashamed to admit that they just want to keep the new stuff
to themselves <like others couldn't possibly be as big a fan as they are
and should be deprived>, so let's keep the hypocritical bullshit off the
Jam, OK??!!
The Ever Present Matt
-- "Some people fly and some of us worry..." -Queensryche------------------------------
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 21:58:29 -0500 From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: poiple Message-ID: <v01530501af57a6fb3f0c@[207.79.6.153]>
>When did Steve Morse join Deep Purple? So he replaced Ritchie? I guess Ritchie is focusing on the other incredible band he started, huh? (Not a helluva lot of difference, though if ya ask me). I'm I did hear sound samples of Poipendicular over the Web, wasn't very impressed with it. Is that Gillan singing? Sounds like him, unfortunately not like the old stuff, though (Light Me Up!) What's Dio up to these days, anyone? And for the sake of DTC, did you know they've got a 23 minute song...I think it's called "A Change of Seasons..." <--- that is a smart-ass remark, btw. J.Keifling
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 22:12:15 -0500 From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Other musics Message-ID: <v01530502af57a9deecb3@[207.79.6.153]>
Heyyyyyy.... I heard Fates yesterday. First time I think. At least that I can remember. Probably heard it years ago, as the tapes have been sitting around for years but I never popped them in the deck...
I liked the overall sound of the band and the singer (what's his name again?) has a nice voice, but I think the first several songs he lacked a controlled melody. It's like he was going all over the place making it up as he went along. Also heard Crimson Glory again after several years...never had paid much attention to this one either, but I was digging through my old stuff wondering what the heck all these bands sound like... I did get into the first several songs, but it got tiring towards the end. And I really enjoyed Lethal after a few listens, but there isn't much variety amongst the songs. Word has it they got a new one out soon... Anyone heard it? And last, Vicious Rumors...didn't like this at all. didn't even get very far into the first song. J.Keifling
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 23:38:05 -0500 (EST) From: Jeremy Kube <j-kube@nh.ultranet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: mispelled wurds top tenn. Message-ID: <199703210438.XAA11811@hammurabi.nh.ultra.net>
I donno whut da problum iz but Andrew lykes to poke funn att da weay I spel stuff. I jus tink he tinks I em dum or sumting. Meybe I shuld use da spell check on my computah befo I goe and get flammed fo' righting someting on da jam. Andrew, If I had written something along that line on the jam I would be: 1. Expectant upon your ridicule. 2. Probably like an 8 year old. 3. Probably couldn't turn on the computer let alone type on it. :)
All I am trying to say is: and I quote "Don't worry about the way someone spells something, this is for fun not for knowledge" It seems we have locked horns on yet another subject. I am sure there will be more to come. Bring 'em (them) on. Later, J (Jeremy) :)
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 00:16:20 -0500 From: "Jonathan Dery" <metropolis@net1plus.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Security at Fix shows. Message-ID: <333219A4.37A8@net1plus.com>
> > The door-guards have been instructed to form everyone into a > > single admission line and pad everyone down heavily and search all > > handbags. Anyone discovered with recording equipment of any sort, before > > or during the show, will have these items confiscated.
Don't know about that. I went to the Toad's Place and Strand shows and I could of walked in with nuclear warfare and took out the joints. I could just see the the expressions on lots of the Jammer's faces. ("Aw Shit! I knew I should have brought the camcorder!") All the door-guards did was take my ticket voucher.
-Jon Dery
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 00:47:35 -0500 (EST) From: the bitch <belhai1@gl.umbc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2373 Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970321004610.8202A-100000@umbc10.umbc.edu>
> Now if you all started to use Ebonics.........:P.
Doesn't anybody call it "jive" anymore? Ebonics sounds like a major you take in college.
Brandon
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 08:37:09 +0200 From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: perple Message-ID: <199703210649.IAA14741@lahmaat.guvatrak.ee>
> Ever since the new album _Perpendicular_ was made. A great rock
Deep Perple wrote Perpendicular. Definitely maybe.
R.
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 00:30:03 -0800 (PST) From: David Swanston <DGSWANSTON@CSUPomona.Edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Apply brakes...HERE!!! Message-ID: <01IGQST1JF5E9GXQ38@clstac.is.csupomona.edu>
Clark hath sayeth: > And lastly, I don't hate country music because I think people want me >to dislike it. I hate it because it sucks.
SCREECH!!!
Thank the maker for air-bags!
My dearest Clark, you must have forgotten to read Itchy's 8 Rules For Posting, haven't you? That's ok, though. I sympathize. For I, just 8 months ago, was as foolhardy as you. I propounded to everybody in my sight that I would kill them if they tried to play country music in my presence. I even told my best friend that I would stop the car and make her walk if she paused even for a second on a country station...even on the freeway.
<sigh> We are so foolish in our youth, aren't we?
Seriously, though. A loooong time ago, "longer now than it seems", there was a very intelligent discussion on the 'Jam concerning the two most important aspects of musicianship...emotion and technical ability. It was widely agreed upon that most bands possess one or the other, but rarely both. (Quick note: anger is a form of emotion, but it is also the easiest to present, therefore it is most often left out of this consideration.)
Now, on to my point. (Egads! I have one?) When I finally opened my eyes to country, I noticed that there was a high degree of emotion present in most songs, some even more than Tori (the resident heart-string tugger on this list). This is viewed by me, and others, as a welcomed break from the tech- nical intensity of Prog and other intense guitar music (e.g., Satch). Another thing I have noticed is that some of the songwriting is absolutely phenomenal, much better than a lot of other genres out there (I am not going to point fingers, but they are pretty easy to figure out).
One last thing: Country is closely related to blues...very closely. In my world, as well as other I have visited, there is a nice little path that can be taken. It goes: Country - Blues - Roadhouse - Rock - Hard Rock - Progressive Rock Kinda kewl, eh? (Quick note: this is not the only path to prog, just one of the many.)
I'm not saying that you can't slam Country, but I decided to stand up and give one of my favorite genres, as well the genre with the largest fan-base in America, its due.
Now, pardon me as I don my shit-kickers, my baggies, my DT shirt, and my extremely well worn flannel.
Rain King
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 00:46:14 -0800 (PST) From: David Swanston <DGSWANSTON@CSUPomona.Edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Addendum Message-ID: <01IGQU7OKKC29GXQ38@clstac.is.csupomona.edu>
I knew this was going to happen...
As I re-read the post I just sent, I noticed that it appears that Satch appears to be my example of "intense guitar music". He is, but he is not. He is supposed to be my example of the "others" who are like me, the ones with the perception of break welcoming. Why? Well, not only does he play blues, he plays Rockabilly. "So that makes him cool!"
For those of you whom have not slammed it yet, check out Joe Satriani's self- titled album. A brilliant display of both undeniable technique AND emotion.
Rain King
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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 22:57:35 -0500 From: Michael Pomerleau <Michael_Pomerleau@compuserve.com> To: BlindCopyReceiver:;;;@compuserve.com; Subject: Ruddess Morgenstein Update Message-ID: <199703210405_MC2-12E5-A0@compuserve.com>
Guys,
Just heard from Jordan Rudess. He wanted me to let you guys know that Rod Morgenstein now has a web site available. The address is;
http://home.earthlink.net/~rmorgenstein
It is an excellent site for you drummers out there. It has a bunch of information and a graphic showing his kit. All kinds of information about the Drumming Videos/Books he has done. His Discography, and of course some sound samples from the Rudess Morgenstein Project, and the New Kip Winger project.
Check It Out
Regards,
Michael Pomerleau
!^NavFont02F01B30004HHB42CF2
E-mail from: Michael Pomerleau, 20-Mar-1997
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:16:16 +0100 (MET) From: Mika Numminen <aarre.n@swipnet.se> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: More definition of prog Message-ID: <199703210916.KAA12269@dredd.swip.net>
At 18.55 1997-03-20 -0800, Clark wrote: But still, I kind of like the sound of that: All >bands are progressive...just some a lot more than others.
Okay, I'll post this again to shed some light on why bands have been/are called progressive. Originally the term "progressive rock" was used to discribe the bands that started blending stuff like classical/reggae etc into rock, and not sticking to the normal rock format ie: verse/chorus/verse/chorus/solo/chorus, but tried to take rock a step forward, ie: progressing. Bands that were in this original wave were bads like Yes, King Crimson etc. Now the music has pretty much stayed the same with little variations (krautrock, canterbury, psych, progressive metal etc...), so IMO the term progressive that are used on bands nowadays is a label, just like grunge or neoclassic, the progression was made in the late 60's/early 70's, nowadays you have bands that play it like it sounded in the 70's (ie: Yes, Spock's Beard etc) and bands that have mixed in other influences too, like metal, etc etc....
Take care!
- Mika Numminen - aarre.n@swipnet.se - http://www.hgs.se/~te95mne -
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 02:36:03 -0800 (PST) From: imajica@algonet.se (Niklas Thorpenberg) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: mega-DT Message-ID: <199703211036.CAA07998@odin.ax.com>
>Well, I've never seen DT live personally I have several of their shows on video >and I saw Megadeth in concert in 1987 and I would say that both bands have about >the same stage prescence. The only person that really moves around in DT is >Petrucci, Myung just pretty much stands there and most of the time JLB is just >standing in one place except when there's a solo when he leaves the stage. This >isn't a slam on DT, after all to me it's the music that's most important. But >to say they have more of stage prescence.....
True. I think that at least I percieve Megadeth as more boring since they play bigger venues, where it takes some moving around to make it interesting. I saw them in a big ice hockey stadium and still they refused to move. When I saw DT, they played a really small place, so there wasn't all that much room to move around anyway. I count this as the best concert I've ever been to.
oOo If a man could pass through Paradise in a dream, and have a flower presented to him as a pledge that his soul had really been there, and if he found that flower in his hand when he awoke - Aye, and what then? oOo Niklas
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Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 01:58:46 -0500 From: Neil Elliott <Images_and_Words@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DTIFC Message-ID: <199703210543_MC2-12EB-8507@compuserve.com>
The new issue (#13) of the Fan Club magazine, Images And Words, is currently at the printers and should be back with me fairly soon. So, those of you who are members, look out for it coming to you over the next couple of weeks. Contents this issue include a piece with the band on the road, along with new interviews with Derek, James, and John M.
Anyone interested in joining up, e-mail me and I'll send out details etc.
Neil Elliott - DTIFC images_and_words@compuserve.com
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