YTSEJAM Digest 2560
Today's Topics:
1) Mumblings and jumblings...
by Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
2) Re: black metal
by matt rosin <msr7146@unix.tamu.edu>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2559
by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
4) To Live Forever
by "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2559
by DrummerEsh@aol.com
6) Name that content
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
7) Bards Tavern
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
8) Fates on this list
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
9) In Flames and Stuff
by MTeiper@aol.com
10) Petition
by Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu>
11) The beautiful world of black metal...
by Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com>
12)
by
13) Paradise Lost
by Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com>
14) Re: Faith No More?
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
15) Another question for the guitarists.
by Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu>
16) Synth Humor (NDTC, but funny!)
by Philip Kaplan <pjkaplan@mailbox.syr.edu>
17) Re: Another question for the guitarists.
by eckie@asu.edu
18) Memorable Parts
by Rahul Ananda <spod@u.washington.edu>
19) Re: your mail
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br>
20) strapping young lad - city
by filth <ripzero@inlink.com>
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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 09:51:50 +1000
From: Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mumblings and jumblings...
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970518095150.006a9900@powerup.com.au>
Greetings, Ytse-type Jammers!
Kevin Hammer wrote:
>>Rip, an old "cliche" for you: "two wrongs dont make a right"
>
>But three rights do make a left........
And two Wrights made the first aeroplane...
---Brian wrote:
><< Well, this is one more of the Non-Dream Theater content messages > (let's hope we can make the number of NTDC messages to zero). APSoG stands > for A Pleasant Shade of Grey, if I'm not mistaken. And is the new album of > Fates Warning with Kevin Moore on keybords. >> > >that is dt material if you ask me... kevin moore is a part of dt even today >when he quit the band the keys in awake and earlier cds did not >disappear...theyre still there and theyre still dt >so i consider anything about kevin moore dt material even though he isnt in >the band currently... > >anyone agree?
I don't...
Kevin Moore stopped being part of DT the day he left the band.
Well, that's what *I* think...
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In other news...
I got my very first bootleg! It's the first I've ever been able to find of a band that I actually wanted to buy a bootleg of - it's "One", from Rush's Roll the Bones tour... seeing as I've never heard a bootleg before, I'm not sure whether the sound is good compared to others, but I can hear everything (just can't make out what some of the punters are talking about in some places... I'm sure it's interesting). Not bad though, and it was only $26.95 Australian...
I went to the HMV in Brisbane on Friday and saw I Mother Earth's video of Another Sunday on the big tv screens! Coolie! And I found the single at another store...
Anyone know if anyone in Australia has actually heard of them? Because I honestly think that there is no reason why they shouldn't be successful here...
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Well, that is all. Bye!
Love Spiff
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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 18:56:19 -0500 From: matt rosin <msr7146@unix.tamu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: black metal Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970517185619.0069d8cc@mailbox.neosoft.com>
>HAIL IN FLAMES and DISSECTION!!!!!!
you should check out Dimmu Borgir. they are far superior to either of these bands. you also need to check out Cradle Of Filth.
as for Dark Tranquility... they're good, but, quite frankly, they're kind of a rip-off of My Dying Bride, who are far superior in all respects.
regards, matt.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ m a t t r o s i n | imagescape@tamu.edu s u r r e a l i t y | http://http.tamu.edu:8000/~msr7146/imagescape/ dark ethereal music | 9830 larston / houston, tx 77055-6120 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 19:07:45 -0500 From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2559 Message-ID: <337E4851.1B37@auburn.net>
ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> Were they Fender Bullets with your Guitar World? Speaking of Ibanez, I > played the RG 7-string today. It was a tad weird at first, but as soon as I > got used to it, I loved it. I didn't even play through an amp, but some > rackmount gear (Tech 21, Boss) into a Mesa/Boogie power amp, and it sounded > great. Of course, I played the intro to "ACoS" and "The Mirror" (finally > with a low B, yes!). Some guy was hoggin' the Mesa/Boogie Triple Rectifier > with a Fender...Anyway, it was royal blue and was going for $899. > > Sincerely, > > G. Jack Thetgyi
Yep, thhey were those funky Fenders. Might I ask where you live? $899 for a RG 7-string, huh? I could sell my guitar and a kidney, if necessary, and have the money :)
Mark Peters swifty@auburn.net
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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 19:11:19 -0500 From: "The Notorious B.I.G. S.W.I.F.T.Y." <swifty@auburn.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: To Live Forever Message-ID: <337E4927.6D@auburn.net>
> Dear jatseyammer friends, > I am looking for a DT song I really do like: > "TO LIVE FOREVER" > Is there any way I can have from anybody > a CD with this song on it? > Please contact me anytime, > EUGE
Hello! I've got a few different versions of this song on tape, but none on CD. I'm not sure how familiar you are with Dream Theater, but if you'd like we can arrange a trade.
Take care, Mark Peters swifty@auburn.net
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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 20:58:14 -0400 (EDT) From: DrummerEsh@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2559 Message-ID: <970517205814_285458480@emout16.mail.aol.com>
VIVA LA JAMES.....HE IS AWSOME I CANT BELIEVE YOU WOULD EVEN THINK ABOUT HAVING A PETITION TO GET HIM OFF THE BAND...YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED
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Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 21:45:17 -0400 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Name that content Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970517214514.00685744@ici.net>
>that is dt material if you ask me... kevin moore is a part of dt even today >when he quit the band the keys in awake and earlier cds did not >disappear...theyre still there and theyre still dt >so i consider anything about kevin moore dt material even though he isnt in >the band currently...
Absolutely.
On another note, I had an idea for the list while I was playing in a pool tournament last week. One of the tournament rules was if there was a questionable "hit" on a ball, and there was no third party called over to watch the shot, it automatically favored the shooter (even if it was blatantly bad). It prevents a lot of arguements.
My suggestion is that we adopt a similar policy on the list. If there's any question of whether a topic is valid or not, then it's valid and eveyone let it go. Who knows - it might actually prevent a flamewar or three, at which point we'd probably only get one 'jam every other day or so. :)
Oh, and BTW - I came in 4th place in the tournament and took home $75. Not bad for 13 1/2 hours work... (NOT!)
________Pat Sullivan__________________________________ E-mail: psull@ici.net WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html IRC: DDictator NP: Deliverance - "If You Will"
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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 00:00:51 -0500 From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bards Tavern Message-ID: <v01530502afa43ca46a36@[207.79.6.154]>
>>Below is a message I posted to the Bard's Tavern (BLIND GUARDIAN >>mailing list)
Watch out for this list. I speak from experience. If you go on vacation for three days you'll have so much e-mail when you get back the server refuses to give it to you. --- And unsubbing took 7 tries before I stopped getting mail.
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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 00:08:32 -0500 From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fates on this list Message-ID: <v01530503afa43e17c17c@[207.79.6.154]>
>>when he quit the band the keys in awake and earlier cds did not >>disappear...theyre still there and theyre still dt >>so i consider anything about kevin moore dt material even though he isnt in >>the band currently... >>anyone agree?
I agree. And what happened to the idea of a Fatez mailing list? I guess none of us have time / equipment / knowledge / or interest to start it. I sure's hell don't know how to do it.
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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 01:52:24 -0400 (EDT) From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: In Flames and Stuff Message-ID: <970518015223_1458085624@emout09.mail.aol.com>
Hey there -
Many thanks to the Jammer-dude who commented on the band IN FLAMES in Jam #2559. I find this quite ironic, since the first time I ever heard of the band was a mere 4 hours or so before I read the post. There's a big writeup in my latest Metal Maniacs magazine totally hyping their "The Jester Race" album. I got kinda psyched reading it... the guy said it was THE BEST metal album since "Elegy" by Amorphis (STILL one of the best albums I've ever heard!) and "Slaughter Of the Soul" by At the Gates (whom I've never heard). The author says In Flames is a cross between 80's style NWOBHM, Northern Swedish folk music, and death metal. I'm kinda intrigued... are there any other Jammer-type opinions of either In Flames "The Jester Race" and/or At the Gates "Slaughter Of the Soul"? I've never been much of a black metal fan, either... will I still like In Flames or At the Gates if I LOVE newer-style (from "Thousand Lakes" to present) Amorphis? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Yours lovingly, Matt T.
BTW - just picked up Apocalyptica (Four Cellos playing Metallica) - that's some wild shit, but I really dig it! Laterz...
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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 03:04:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Pat Griffin <c675311@everest.cclabs.missouri.edu> To: ThE NuGgeTjAm <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Petition Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970518025502.2532A-100000@indy21.gclab.missouri.edu>
>The Ytse Jam's *other* Pat wrote: >Pat Griffin wrote: >>Hey, maybe we can start a petition to get James kicked out of the band, >>since everyone here seems to hate him... >=20 >You can't be serious? I think the majority of people on this list like >him as the lead singer. He has got a great voice. Sure sometimes he >doesn't sound too great in concert. Singing day after day on a lengthy >tour takes it's toll on a lead singer. The times I have seen him (3 x) he >has been great.
Come on, Pat, you've been on this list *at least* as long as I have, probably longer. Don't tell me you aren't used to my sarcasm yet. :)
I was simply commenting on the fact that people seem to coming out of the woodwork all of the sudden and ripping James a new oriface. I think that James is a great singer, I've seen him live only once, but I have at least a dozen shows and he's performed well in almost all of them (exceptions: Japanese PPV show and a German show I have). =20
If you ever have doubts about the things that I say in here, just remember: I'm 100% serious. 30% of the time.
h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 / | Pat Griffin Reality=B2 Design | | c675311@showme.missouri.edu c675311@cclabs.missouri.edu | h t t p : / / w w w . m i s s o u r i . e d u / ~ c 6 7 5 3 1 1 /
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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 03:29:24 +0000 From: Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The beautiful world of black metal... Message-ID: <337E7794.5AE1@sprynet.com>
Yeah, I do have recently began a foray into the dark world of black metal.
I originally heard bands like Emperor and Mayhem, the so-called "black metal" gods and was NOT impressed at all. Sounded like a wall of shrieking...
Then I discovered Samael....WHOA!!! Complex music, dark vocals, satanic lyrics.....I have heard this to be classified as Black Metal and the vocals aren't the regular shrieks I'd heard before but closer to death metal...Very EXCELLENT BAND!!! I have only heard their latest two CDs.
Next up I heard Cradle Of Filth...this was indeed quite good stuff with the shrieking vocals but still the music was better than decent and it did have a certain evil atomsphere that is cool to me. Lyrically, it's not too shabby either although I could do without all the vampire crap.
VERY recently I heard AT THE GATES and it was a lot like Carcass..pretty cool stuff.
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Haven't heard Dissection or Dark Tranquility yet....
The packaging of Cradle of Filth in particular was very nicely done with lots o..hehehe..neat pictures and lyrics and quotes and stuff...
OK that's it for now Later Phillip Cool CD of the Day: At The Gates "Slaughter of the Soul"
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Date: Sun, 18 May 97 10:11 EDT From: Soul Madness <mcauburn@iinc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Paradise Lost Message-ID: <m0wT6gO-000012C@xcalibur.iinc.com>
Paradise Lost are an awesome band. Draconian Times is in the gothic style but not like Type O Negative..there is a lot more metal to it. I suppose Draconian Times, to me, is a cross between Type O Negative, Metallica and Dream Theater. I highly recommend it.
Don mcauburn@iinc.com http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/5784 ...so many times, I tried and failed to gather my courage reach again for that nail, life's been like dragging feet through sand and never finding the promised land.... Queensryche- Promised Land
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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 10:40:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net> Subject: Re: Faith No More? Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970518103858.10021A-100000@astro.ocis.temple.edu>
> About a year ago on the 'jam, someone I think said that Faith No More had > broken up. That kind of sucked because they seemed to be one of the few > bands out there that really stuck to their creative genius and maintained > a definite identity. > > But recently I heard their "new song" on the radio and I'm wondering > what's up? Are they back? Had they never parted ways?
their new album, sarcasticaly entitled "album of the year" is due out on the 3rd of June. John Houston (a friend of the bands) is on guitar.
* * * * * * * e-mail: syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com erotomania!: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/ offical lemur voice homepage: http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/lemur.htm
(c) 1997 Happy Fun Ball, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 12:41:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Stephen Daedalus <Mathew.J.Birskovich@williams.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Another question for the guitarists. Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970518123922.22474A-100000@colrain.williams.edu>
Greetings again, I was wondering what to do if one must play outside for a gig in relatively overcast to rainy weather. How does one keep one's hands from getting cold and stiff? I had this happen yesterday and I played horribly. Please respond privately unless many want to know. Be well. Matt B
"See the blind man shooting at the world. Bullets flying, taking toll." (Deep Purple, Sweet Child in Time)
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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 15:19:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Philip Kaplan <pjkaplan@mailbox.syr.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Synth Humor (NDTC, but funny!) Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970518151836.17775D-100000@forbin.syr.edu>
You Know You've Been Hanging Around Synths and Samplers Too Long When:
-You not only tap in time to the indicators on your car, but know how many bpm they flash at.
-You go to hear an orchestra with your girlfriend, and while she listens to the beautiful music, you calculate the polyphony required to reproduce it.
- You are sure you can hear the looppoints at a choir recital.
- In addition to your in and out trays at work, you also have one marked 'thru'.
- Last Christmas you synced your Christmas tree lights to your TB-303.
- The accelerator on your car has aftertouch.
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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 13:39:04 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Another question for the guitarists. Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970518133427.17222A-100000@general1.asu.edu>
Heh, apparently somebody didn't watch Petrucci's video...massagin' the fingers always helps. You can do it fast or slow, just use what ever speed to warm up your appendages, in a soothing motion. "Sometimes I do it in the middle of a performance."
I haven't tried it yet (I live in a desert for cryin' out loud) but have ya cut off the fingertips of some cheap gloves, ala King Nothing vid?
Juss some suggestions OR do a Milli Vanilli and just pretend you're hitting the strings....
~Eckie
> Greetings again, > I was wondering what to do if one must play outside for a gig in > relatively overcast to rainy weather. How does one keep one's hands from > getting cold and stiff? I had this happen yesterday and I played > horribly. Please respond privately unless many want to know. Be well. > Matt B > > "See the blind man shooting at the world. Bullets flying, taking toll." > (Deep Purple, Sweet Child in Time) > >
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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 13:41:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Rahul Ananda <spod@u.washington.edu> To: Fucknuts <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Memorable Parts Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95b.970518133009.15190B-100000@dante11.u.washington.edu>
> From: Sean Malone <malone@arts.usf.edu>
> DT, and prog in general, will like this CD. There are some very memorable > parts in these songs, which is hard to achieve in a genre of so much > forgettable music. This CD will probably get them signed, definitely give
I think I know what you mean here, but I'm not quite sure. The first time I listen to a CD where the music is either complex (prog) or not based on ostinatos (jazz, classical), I almost always "forget" how the song went. I remember basics, but the details kinda slip outta my head until I've heard the song two or three times. The music becomes memorable only after repeated hearings. Even if the song is amazing, it's not memorable until later.
OR are you saying that most progressive tpye music is, in fact, forgettable in the traditional sense...i.e. the music is so poorly put together that it may as well be forgotten since it is now worthy of the repeated listenings to make it memorable?
OR am I just playing bullshattical semantic games here? If so, fuck with me.
Rahul Ananda : spod@u.washington.edu or thehand@dreamt.org ----------------------------------------------------------------- The universe divided as the Heart and Mind collided : At paranoia's poison door : The pen won't stay the Demon's wings : The Weaver and the Web that he made : The youngest of the family is moving with authority : Willing to risk salvation to escape from isolation : You've drowned in your soul's emptiness : Bus stop rat bag haha charade you are : Knights of the Green Shield stamp and shout : Searching for the answers but there's D A M A G E ----------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 19:09:49 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@ant116.cce.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95q.970518190818.16485A-100000@ant116.cce.usp.br>
On Sun, 18 May 1997, it was written:
> Haven't heard Dissection or Dark Tranquility yet....
Well, Dark Tranquility has done a cover of Metallica's "My Friend of Misery", from the Black Album on the Metal Milita tribute (I have it, if anybody is interested in hearing what those covers sound like).
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 17:36:50 -0500 From: filth <ripzero@inlink.com> To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: strapping young lad - city Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970518223650.0071452c@mail.inlink.com>
this is like my new favorite band. no joke. them and sevendust. i mean, wowow! strapping young lad's city is filled with tons of raw power, anger, even some melody.. and i know all you drummers will love this-
gene foogin hoglan!
terror reigns in the city. and devin reigns terror. he's also doing a lot more screaming than the rush tribute and vai stuff, so i like that of course. there's only one problem i guess with buying this cd. i can never think nine inch nails are heavy ever again. damn wuss music ;)
~Rip
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