YTSEJAM Digest 2561
Today's Topics:
1) YTSEJAM digest 2560
by <09422587@mail3.dlsu.edu.ph>
2) Re: Faith No More?
by James Bako <jbako@intercall.com>
3) Memorable Parts
by Sean Malone <malone@arts.usf.edu>
4) Hey Everybody!
by sir@micron.net
5) Clockwork "Search"
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
6)
by "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2560
by Jeff Forte <araby@ibm.net>
8) New Amorphis EP???
by MTeiper@aol.com
9) black metal
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
10) Savior Machine
by A <breuric@tpgi.com.au>
11) bass effects
by "The Evil Midnight Bomber" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
12) CD and Video...
by master.of.puppets@asylumbbs.com
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2560
by Michael Lafser <mlafser@mail.win.org>
14) IRC Musings
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
15) Status Seeker MPEG 3
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
16) Re: CD and Video...
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
17) Black Metal
by "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
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Date: Mon, 19 May 97 6:46:29 GMT+8
From: <09422587@mail3.dlsu.edu.ph>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YTSEJAM digest 2560
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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 19:16:13 -0700
From: James Bako <jbako@intercall.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Faith No More?
Message-ID: <337FB7ED.43F4@intercall.com>
Syrinx wrote:
>
> > About a year ago on the 'jam, someone I think said that Faith No More had
> > broken up. That kind of sucked because they seemed to be one of the few
> > bands out there that really stuck to their creative genius and maintained
> > a definite identity.
> >
> > But recently I heard their "new song" on the radio and I'm wondering
> > what's up? Are they back? Had they never parted ways?
>
> their new album, sarcasticaly entitled "album of the year" is due
> out on the 3rd of June. John Houston (a friend of the bands) is on guitar.
>
I've heard an advance copy of the Album Of The Year, and I could almost
definitely say that the title is in no way sarcastic (esp. since we
probably won't see a DT album this year). Think of the brilliant Real
Thing, crossed with the vastly-underrated King For A Day... with a
little bit of Angel Dust thrown in. The album has a lot of variety, and
some damn good songs as well.
James Bako
jbako@intercall.com
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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 19:28:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Sean Malone <malone@arts.usf.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Memorable Parts
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970518191433.26760A-100000@satie>
To answer Rahul's question:
What I meant by 'memorable vs.forgettable' was more quantitative than
qualitative. What I (and suspect others) like so much about prog is that
it doesn't follow any kind of formula really, as most radio oriented pop
does etc. And from that comes a tendency to have longer songs that don't
depend on that momentary seduction of a hook in the chorus. So if a
progressive group can borrow a little from that pop mentality, and
integrate it into their music, I think it's the best of both worlds.
It doesn't *bother* me that I rarely am humming "Close to the Edge" while
in the car. However, when listening to a prog tune for the first time, I
think it's testament to the writing if I find myself humming something
from it after the first listen. I really like that direction.
To sum up: I don't think it's bad necessarily if a song doesn't have an
ear-candy hook. When we buy a CD like Close to the Edge, I think it's
safe to say that we're in it for the long haul, and that we're not
looking for a quick fix. However, if the music happens to catch our ears
from the first listen, that's not a bad thing either.
SM
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Review of Cortlandt http://www.innerviews.org/playlist/malone.html
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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 18:42:58 -0600
From: sir@micron.net
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Hey Everybody!
Message-ID: <199705190043.SAA23364@mailmx.micron.net>
Hi my name's woot glad to meet you
I'm still way behind on jams, but i figured i'd drop a line to all the
homies just to let you know that i'm not dead.
I recently attended my first 'Tallica concert, complete with exploding
amps, the swinging wire guy, the falling off the ladder guy, and the
flaming guy. Even though I knew it was coming I was very impressed with
it. I especially like how they all gathered at one end of the stage and
played the last song (motorbreath) by the light of a few 60-watts hanging
from the rafters. Are all concerts as loud as metallica concerts? Not
that loud is bad or anything, but I still can't hear as well as I should.
If anyone is interested, the setlist (in no particular order) was:
new stuff:
King Nothing
Hero o' the Day
Until it sleeps
Ain't my Biznitch
Wasting my Hate
Old stuff:
Motorbreath
Green Hell
So What
Fade to Black
Master o' Puppets
One
Fight F wit F
Creeping death
For Whom the B t's
Nothing Else Matters
Enter Sandman
Seek n' Destroy
I'm sure there's more that i can't remember too. they also had little
excerpts of a bunch of different songs that they didn't feel like playing
the whole thing, and Jason had a pretty cool bass solo.
Corrosion of Conformity opened and they were so good that i almost wish i
hadn't sold their tape. they played deliverance, albatross, clean my
wounds, and some stuff off the new album. almost an hour in all.
in other news, Extreme's III sides now officially kix nadz. except for #1
which is kinda pointless and #7 which is way too sappy, the rest of the 70+
mins is very good stuff.
Skip this next part cause you don't care:
I recently placed 5th in the discus among the biggest schools in the state
at this weekend's Idaho High School Track & Field Championships. I'm not
bragging or anything, just letting you know why I haven't been posting very
much lately. Also, 3rd place was only a foot farther than my throw was.
Anyway back to the ranch.
ps does anybody else have a problem with their amp dying when it's on clean
tone? It works fine when i have the dirt on, but as soon as i need clean,
my amp shorts out. I'm pretty sure it'd not the cord. any help from all
you hairball wannabees is appreciated.
about 50 jams ago was my 1500th jam! yip! yip!
woot is wearing brand new shorts and they are already chafing his A
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Date: Sun, 18 May 97 21:26:30 EDT
From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Clockwork "Search"
Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+fruTnA@tcx.tcco.com>
I know a few people beat me to it, but I have to give a big "thumbs up" for
the new Clockwork CD, "Search". They pack a lot of great, progressive metal
into this 4-track release.
If I had to compare it to one of the bands that have been discussed on the
Jam, I'd have to say it would be Shadow Gallery. Cool keyboard sequences,
great chops guitarwise and very solid rhythm section holding it all together.
The vocals is lightyears ahead of the "Weaving Web of Time" epic (and he
could have the longest name in rock! :)
Definitely worth the $8, especially if you want to help support progressive
rock. Can't wait to see what these guys can do with the financial backing of
a major label!
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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 20:33:55 +0000
From: "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <19970519013525.AAA7646@subtlerage.avalon.net>
> VIVA LA JAMES.....HE IS AWSOME I CANT BELIEVE YOU WOULD EVEN THINK ABOUT
> HAVING A PETITION TO GET HIM OFF THE BAND...YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED
viva la caps lock key. yeah, that's right, the one located on the
left hand side of the keyboard...
oh, and look up sarcasm in the dictionary.
Andrew Miller - keyboardist/vocalist - subtlerage
http://www.subtlerage.com - subtlerage@subtlerage.com
"first impressions" released. .wav files available
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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 21:36:04 -0400
From: Jeff Forte <araby@ibm.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2560
Message-ID: <337FAE84.8CBA92A6@ibm.net>
09422587@mail3.dlsu.edu.ph wrote:
>
> This user has his/her e-mail account disabled because it is our school's
> SUMMER break.
>
Thank the heavens this person isnt in ack mode, or we would be flooded
with this crap.
Chambers
aka
-- _______________ < Jeff Forte > <***************> < araby@ibm.net > <_______________>------------------------------
Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 21:59:52 -0400 (EDT) From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New Amorphis EP??? Message-ID: <970518215949_-2034279844@emout20.mail.aol.com>
Hi gang -
Just a quick question here... I recently saw a full-page ad for the new Amorphis EP "My Kantele". I got the impression from the ad that it has already been released, but when I raced down to my local CD store (who has every other Amorphis release except for "Priviledge Of Evil") there was nary a new EP to be found. Does anyone know for sure if it's out yet or not? If so, how is it? As if I don't already know... if the material is circa "Elegy", it's gotta rule! Thanx!
Laterz, friends... Matt T.
BTW... I'm going through withdrawl symptoms here... still no "Precious Things" and I'm number 54! Aaaargh... :-)
Cool CD of the day: Anthrax "Stomp 442"
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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 23:37:19 -0500 From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: black metal Message-ID: <v01530503afa5894e9280@[207.79.6.165]>
>>Then I discovered Samael....WHOA!!! Complex music, dark vocals, satanic >>lyrics.....
That last part is what turns me off.
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 13:43:58 +1000 (EST) From: A <breuric@tpgi.com.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Savior Machine Message-ID: <199705190343.NAA07893@random.tpgi.com.au>
>>Oh man, I found a KILLER CD find yesterday. On a >?whim, >........... picked up Saviour Machine II (the original issue on >Frontline Records) for, get this, $3. So lady Luck has smiled again!! *G* This CD is currently No 1 on my playlist ... and I was glad to pay $30 for it!! In fact it is worth every cent ..... This band is seriously good! Glad others are 'discovering' them too.!!
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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 23:01:02 +0000 From: "The Evil Midnight Bomber" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: bass effects Message-ID: <199705190407.XAA12625@Walden.MO.NET>
Hey, I was just wondering if anyone could help me out with some decent quality, but low-priced (I'm not rich, after all :), effects for bass. I got a little info on the Zoom 506 multi-effects pedal, with mostly good comments. I haven't actually tried out anything yet, but wanted to see if I could get any tips before I go out and actually try some things. Please e-mail me privately if you could. Thanks.
Dale R. Newberry
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Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 22:23:16 -0500 From: master.of.puppets@asylumbbs.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: CD and Video... Message-ID: <TCPSMTP.17.5.18.-10.23.16.2310717883.239311@asylumbbs.com>
I was wondering if anyone could sell me a copy of the CD with Damage Inc. I am a huge MetallicA/DT fan...hearing these 2 mix would be cool...The Zeppelin songs sound cool. Also, can anyone with the John Petrucci guitar video send me a review...I'd like to know if it's worth the $50. Lastly, does anyone have the tab for ACOS...Mainly just the first distorted guitar part after the acoustic.
later, chris <Lunatic's Asylum BBS * asylumbbs.com * (907) 274-8645 or (907) 278-8646) <The Place To Go When Life Is Driving You Nuts>
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 01:52:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Lafser <mlafser@mail.win.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2560 Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.970519014827.28806A-100000@winc0>
hello all! I have recently seen some people commenting on black metal. I was never really into it until i went to a cannibal corpse concert and saw the band SAMAEL open up for them. man i was blown away! SAMAEL rules and is probaly one of my favorite bands. One of the best concerts i ever have gone to is a morbid angel concert. Dissection and at the gates opened and until then i never heard of them but they blew me away as well! This stuff is cool dude, i aint shittin! I wish that STRAPPING YOUNG LAD/SAMAEL tour would've came to the us. :( until next time,
SAME YTSE TIME, SAME YTSE CHANNEL!!!!!! or whatever, you know what i mean.
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 00:36:22 PST From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: IRC Musings Message-ID: <199705190737.HAA346113@out1.ibm.net>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 04/09/97 08:42am -0700
OK...I know everyone here is gonan think I'm a total freak...but I'm in a good mood, even tho mulder is dead and I got first runner up in the Iron Maiden/interview with steve harris contest...BUT I went onto irc tonight and I was feeling rather silly. To note: While I make fun of everyone else on irc, this is the first time, *I* have been flamed...but by me...so, that doesn't really count...anyways, read, laugh and don't take it seriously.
<Head> Stranger: See, but I don't really care. <Dr_Mosh> go to sleep head <Stranger0> ben, you care <Stranger0> you KNOW you do <Head> No, I don't. <Head> Mosh: I've got 2 buttloads of homework to do. <ladynina> How much is a buttload exactly? <V_Clortho> are we a little self absorbed head? <Dr_Mosh> you will never graduate from HS ben... hehehehe <Head> I've been working on this fucking model truck all day for driver's ed class, and spent the rest of the time, eating, drinking, cleaning my room and practicing horn. <Stranger0> clo, he really does care, he just has a hard time showing it, since our break-up <Dr_Mosh> drinking? you picked up drinking?? ;) <V_Clortho> drinking is a virtue <Stranger0> he was always stubborn like that <Head> non alcoholic liquids. <Head> stranger: lol <V_Clortho> oh well that is not virtuous at all <Stranger0> i know he'll see the light one day and come back <Dr_Mosh> care about what? <Head> Stranger: I can't resist your breasts, of course I'll be back. <V_Clortho> you should move on Stranger0 . you could get arrested. <Stranger0> thats it, i am sending this to the jam :) <Head> No way can I pass up a set of pert nipples <Head> And the fact that you have male genitalia in addition just blows me away. <Head> I love you, man. <Head> Can I have your bud light? *** The topic for #ytsejam is: <Head> No way can I pass up a set of pert nipples <V_Clortho> pert nipples rule! <Dr_Mosh> you freak <Head> I wanna make a perfume called "Masturbation"
Mark/Stranger0 *You must unlearn, what you have learned, only then, will you have learned something. - Yoda, Star Wars *I have learned, that I know nothing - Mark Smeets *You have not yet completed your training - Yoda, Star Wars Check out the Megadeth Faq/Megadeth Webring - Circle Of Deth: http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/Front.htm My Page: http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 01:39:40 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Status Seeker MPEG 3 Message-ID: <199705190839.BAA27851@gms.gmsnet.com>
If you haven't heard Status Seeker from WDATU/Dream Out Loud... I put up an MPEG 3 clip of it on my page...
The URL is below... go to the Ear Candy section...
-The Doc
-- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: drkhoe@gmsnet.com #$%#$#$% *$%&%#$* Global Micro Solutions #$#$#@@# *$*$*$*# Reality Enhancement Software - Engineering Reality *$&#*#@$ #$@#$#@# http://www.gmsnet.com/progmetal @#$@##@$
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 02:10:52 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: CD and Video... Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970519021049.007c8790@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 11:50 PM 5/18/97 -0700, you wrote: > I was wondering if anyone could sell me a copy of the CD with >Damage Inc. I am a huge MetallicA/DT fan...hearing these 2 mix would be >cool...The Zeppelin songs sound cool.
It might still come with the fan club subscription. Ask Mr. Elliot. Aside from that, I assume no DT fan in their right mind would part with that CD unless the price is mighty high.
> Also, can anyone with the John Petrucci guitar video send me a >review...I'd like to know if it's worth the $50.
Um....YYYYEEEESSS!! It's very worth it. This video covers all aspects of playing, from "simple" warm up that take years to learn to extended legato and sweep picking runs that only the master Petrucci can execute.
> Lastly, does anyone have the tab for ACOS...Mainly just the first >distorted guitar part after the acoustic.
All of this on the big .56 (or higher ;) gauge B string:
0-7-8-0-5-7-0-3-5-0-2-3-0-3-0-7-8-0-5-7-0-3-5-0-2-3-0-3*
that * means artificial harmonic. I think it's at the three, that's where I play it anyways.
Anyone ever slapped some .11 gauge strings on their guitar and tuned down to C? Man, this is an awesome sound. Very heavy, without the Korn-y tone that usually comes with most big B strings. Me likes it :)
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: 19 May 97 13:05:51 +0200 From: "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Black Metal Message-ID: <00219E522200000101000131860166@tppalv1.metsaserla.fi>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids....
On this black metal thread that Carlo started and now it's kinda snowballing, there is some need for some definition about musical genres...
First Carlo said: >>HAIL IN FLAMES and DISSECTION!!!!!!
>From: matt rosin <msr7146@unix.tamu.edu>
>you should check out Dimmu Borgir. they are far superior to either of these >bands. you also need to check out Cradle Of Filth. > >as for Dark Tranquility... they're good, but, quite frankly, they're kind of a >rip-off of My Dying Bride, who are far superior in all respects.
In Flames isn't black metal. They belong to a relatively tiny subgenre of death metal called NWOSDM. Anyone remember NWBOHM? Well, this one means "new wave of Swedish death metal". The NWODSM scene is located around Gothenburg in southern Sweden and practically all the guys play in every band of the scene. NWODSM mixes death metal vocals, melodic speed metal riffing and Scandinavian traditional folk music. Other noteworthy NWODSM bands are Dark Tranquillity, Edge of Sanity and (even if they aren't Swedish) Amorphis.
Cradle of Filth isn't black metal (anymore) either. They have been (around their first album "The Principle of Evil Made Flesh"), but the latter two efforts have been what they call gothic dark metal. I don't really know how to pigeonhole Dissection, I haven't been listening to them much,but I think the way my ears hear it is brutal death metal. With lousy sounds.
Somehow I fail to see how you can compare MDB and Dark Tranquillity. Well, maybe it's just me. :)
>From: MTeiper@aol.com >Subject: In Flames and Stuff
>Many thanks to the Jammer-dude who commented on the band IN FLAMES in Jam >#2559. I find this quite ironic, since the first time I ever heard of the >band was a mere 4 hours or so before I read the post. There's a big writeup >in my latest Metal Maniacs magazine totally hyping their "The Jester Race" >album. I got kinda psyched reading it... the guy said it was THE BEST metal >album since "Elegy" by Amorphis (STILL one of the best albums I've ever
It may well be one of the best metal albums in that particular genre ever.
>heard!) and "Slaughter Of the Soul" by At the Gates (whom I've never heard).
Me neither. I've heard AtG several years ago and they totally unimpressed me. They sounded like crap back then, and I usually lose my interest after such a listening experience. They may have developed, of course. I just doubt it.
> The author says In Flames is a cross between 80's style NWOBHM, Northern >Swedish folk music, and death metal. I'm kinda intrigued... are there any >other Jammer-type opinions of either In Flames "The Jester Race" and/or At >the Gates "Slaughter Of the Soul"? I've never been much of a black metal >fan, either... will I still like In Flames or At the Gates if I LOVE >newer-style (from "Thousand Lakes" to present) Amorphis? Any help would be >greatly appreciated.
Sure. If you like Amorphis, get EVERYTHING by In Flames. You will love it. 101 per cent guarantee. Technically, In Flames is possibly even better than Amorphis (and that one took a LOT of me, I'm a Finn and we don't exactly walk around giving favorable comments about Swedes :)), but if you are VERY averse to death metal vocals, give them two listens before you buy the albums. Maybe the best way to introduce yourself to their music is to get their EP "Subterranean", which includes IMO their best song "Stand Ablaze". "Jester Race" is absolutely fantastic as well. Their debut, "Lunar Strain" isn't quite as good as the other two.
>BTW - just picked up Apocalyptica (Four Cellos playing Metallica) - that's >some wild shit, but I really dig it! Laterz...
Hey! This guy has some great music taste! :) Hey Matt, get your hands on Therion's "Theli". You will love it. I give you my money back guarantee. If you don't like "Theli", I will buy the cd off you. :) In fact, email me, I just might have some other bomb proof recommendations for you.
In fact, as interesting as Apocalyptica may sound at first, it actually is pretty boring after the fifth listen.
>From: Phillip <pkish@sprynet.com> >Subject: The beautiful world of black metal...
>I originally heard bands like Emperor and Mayhem, the so-called "black >metal" gods and was NOT impressed at all. Sounded like a wall of >shrieking...
Now here's the first one (hi Phillip!) who is actually talking about BLACK metal.
>Then I discovered Samael....WHOA!!! Complex music, dark vocals, satanic >lyrics.....I have heard this to be classified as Black Metal and the >vocals aren't the regular shrieks I'd heard before but closer to death >metal...Very EXCELLENT BAND!!! I have only heard their latest two CDs.
"Passage"? No black metal here. Dark metal with a drum machine and some industrial influeces. BTW, if you wish to keep your hearing, never attend a Samael gig. They have absolutely no clue how loud one can play indoors without deafening the listeners.
>Next up I heard Cradle Of Filth...this was indeed quite good stuff with >the shrieking vocals but still the music was better than decent and it >did have a certain evil atomsphere that is cool to me. Lyrically, it's >not too shabby either although I could do without all the vampire crap.
The vampire crap is there because like their music, the lyrics are also influenced by 18th century British literature. BTW, in case anyone has a clue how the hell Dani produces the infamous shrieks, would you please explain it to me as well. Especially I would like to know how this is executed on stage.
>The packaging of Cradle of Filth in particular was very nicely done with >lots o..hehehe..neat pictures and lyrics and quotes and stuff...
Actually, some time ago a dude got arrested in England for wearing a Cradle of Filth tee shirt. If you want to hear the detals, email me. The full story is not something that can be discussed on the jam.
_Mape_
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