YTSEJAM Digest 2558
Today's Topics:
1) Labrie
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
2)
by filth <ripzero@inlink.com>
3) INNER STRENGTH
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
4) just a reply to a reply
by filth <ripzero@inlink.com>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2557
by Gkras19@aol.com
6) Anglagard help...
by Shane Liebling <jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
7) Web Page Update. (some DTC)
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
8) RE: New Petition?
by Eric Hansen <ehansen@apu.edu>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2557
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
10) New CLOCKWORK cd........
by "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2556
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
12) Journey..
by al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (Dan Abosso)
13) This one's gonna linger...
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
14) Re: Journey..
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
15) Chasing Amy/ Surrounded
by Jason L Luscher <luscher@student.umass.edu>
16) don't think it matters....
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 16:13:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Labrie
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970516161029.7925A-100000@bdmserver>
Pat Griffin wrote:
>Hey, maybe we can start a petition to get James kicked out of the band,
>since everyone here seems to hate him...
You can't be serious? I think the majority of people on this list like
him as the lead singer. He has got a great voice. Sure sometimes he
doesn't sound too great in concert. Singing day after day on a lengthy
tour takes it's toll on a lead singer. The times I have seen him (3 x) he
has been great.
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| "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" --X-Files |
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 15:33:42 -0500
From: filth <ripzero@inlink.com>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970516203342.0071ff80@mail.inlink.com>
>
>Hey, maybe we can start a petition to get James kicked out of the band,
>since everyone here seems to hate him...
already thought of it :) in fact.. i cant remember if i started it up or
not... i do remember the petition to get the petition sent petition. that
one got a whopping TWO signatures! woo hoo!!
~Rip
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 16:47:59 -0400
From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: INNER STRENGTH
Message-ID: <337CC7FF.7C41@earthlink.net>
>
> Well, describing Watchtower is very hard.
> Maybe you know the band INNER STRENGTH, but they are not so complex
> as Watchtower!
> Watchtower played a kind of music that could be decribed as "Jazz-
> Metal".
WOW!!!! I thought I was the only person who knew these guys! INNER
STRENGTH I mean. They are an awesome Long Island prog-metal band with
amazing chops. I only know of "Shallow Reflections" (its an import in
the Dream Disc catalog) but I read someone who had more material..are
you here???
Anyhow, being a Long Islander I've seen them a bunch of times at the
Roxy in Huntington (is that place still around??) and they were great!
My friend saw them open for DT in Deer Park (in '92 I think??) and said
their set was cut short because they were TOO good. INNER STENGTH came
out playing the Muppets theme song and then totally rearranged it into a
psycho prog-metal version of it..I heard it on tape and its insane!!!
I havent heard anything about these guys in ages..are they living in
Europe now because of their record deal or what?? If anyone else knows
about these guys speak up..they're awesome!!
cheers,
Carlo (aka Fates, aka YtseSatan)
--
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"When you know that your time is close at hand |__ __|
maybe then you'll begin to understand | |
Life down here is just a strange illusion." | |
|_|
--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
"Neo-classical, progressive, melodic metal"
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 15:46:22 -0500
From: filth <ripzero@inlink.com>
To: Heavy Metal Computer Nerds <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: just a reply to a reply
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970516204622.0076bda8@mail.inlink.com>
g'day dave and rest of jam. :)
>
>Rip, an old "cliche" for you: "two wrongs dont make a right"
>
i'm quite a believer in this, and i'd been trying to explain the right
against the wrong for a while, i came to then this decision which i stated with:
> i've been bitching it out for a long time, i figured taking the
> opposite turrent and putting some firepower may at least kick a
> few balls and put a smile on my face, if anything ;)
therefore i dont condone that my actions were right or they were supposed to
make anything right to any effect.
>I ESCPECIALLY don't see any reason why ragging on another certain
>singer as a defense is going to help anything.
its definately not, but like i said, i was just, to put it simply, being a
bastard and having fun doing it :)
> I'd like to be able to
>see the Jam as a place where we give them each credit.
i actually promised myself a while back i'd never post my feelings on labrie
to the jam, because i understand what you just said exactly. i never wanted
to slag him, especially in front of public forum, on a list in dedication to
DT. so why'd i do it?.. failure to handle a sudden jolt of anger?
entertainment value? a slap in the face to the hypocrisy of everything? i
guess a little bit of everything. the people i intended to piss off were
not those such as dave, who has a totally clear mind and is one of my
favorite dudes to read posts from and what not.. which is why i'm up here
sorting this out :) i'll click into rational mode for a second and remind
everyone to make sure they can take what they dish out. and make sure ya
dont take it too seriously. i'd always wanted to see someone slag james
like charlie gets slagged, and when it happened, and the revolt came, i
decided to back it up with my thoughts. and if i could go back in time, i'd
do it again :)
my kudos (and meat kadus) to dave for being one of the few i've had a
rational debate with here.
as the jam turns,
~Rip
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 16:57:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Gkras19@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2557
Message-ID: <970516165547_-1131016774@emout06.mail.aol.com>
What the fuck!! why is this in another language??????
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 15:11:25 -0800
From: Shane Liebling <jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Anglagard help...
Message-ID: <v03007800afa299947db6@[128.32.100.59]>
Hey all, I am looking to pick up Anglagard: Hybris, but don't know where to
get it. Could anyone help out with a couple URL's of good mail order
places or something? Either that or tell me a shop in the Berkeley are I
could find it at. Thanks alot.
-Shane
Currently listening to: National Health - Complete
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I jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu I day that I try. I was told there's a I
I http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi I new love that's born for each one I
I CAA Tweeker & Ytsejammer I that has died... Love is the Dance of I
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 15:20:29 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Web Page Update. (some DTC)
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970516152027.007c0310@postoffice.syspac.com>
Hey fellow jammerz,
I've just totally overhauled my website and I was wondering if some of you
could give it a look-see and tell me what you think. You'll find some good
DT pics there and stuff on a few other bands I listen to, as well as a .ra
demo of my music. Thanks.
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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| http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palms/6933 |
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 16:11:06 -0700
From: Eric Hansen <ehansen@apu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: New Petition?
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970516152131.00699984@apu.edu>
>Hey, maybe we can start a petition to get James kicked out of the band,
>since everyone here seems to hate him...
The music should speak for itself. If you need to rely on a frontman, than
something is seriously wrong. If you want to be entertained by stage
antics, turn on a T.V. DT is composed of musicians. When was the last
time you saw the conductor of the London Philharmonic sachet across the
stage in pink tights?!!
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 19:29:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2557
Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.970516191406.989346D-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Fri, 16 May 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
>
> Well,well,well. I'd like to tell ya Canadian band named Harem Scarlem.
> Maybe you've already know about them. They'll release their 4th album titled
"Believe" on 25th May. I've already heard couple songs from this opus on
radio. Those songs are incredible---melodic hard rock with high-tone
vocalist.
I'd also like to sing the praises of Harem Scarem. They are, hands down,
the best band I have "discovered" since DT and they definitely make my
top 6 favorite band list. They're all great musicians and the vocals use
amazing harmonies. I can't say enough good things about this band. The
only full album I have by them is their 2nd effort "Mood Swings," which
reminds me a lot of "Pornograffitti"-era Extreme without sounding like
rip-offs, but somone made me a mix that covers the three full length
albums and the Live & Acoustic thing they put out and these guys are
flawless. As soon as I get a job over the summer I am going to make it my
mission in life to order all their stuff, plus the new one. If you like
hard rock, even a little bit, take a risk and order an album. You'll be
glad you did.
Richie
P.S. For the record they have 4 full-length albums out thus far (not
counting the new one). They are:
Harem Scarem- self-titled. Great AOR
-"Mood Swings." Read the above drooling
-"Voice Of Reason." Probably the most "prog" out of
the three, but is overall a little darker than the rest.
Reminds me a little of King's X
-"Live In Japan." I think it was recorded on the
"Voice Of Reason" tour
* They also have a release called "Live & Acoustic" which is
collection of, gasp, live and acoustic stuff.
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 19:30:05 -0400
From: "Carlo D'Angelo" <helstar@earthlink.net>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: New CLOCKWORK cd........
Message-ID: <337CEDFD.4FEA@earthlink.net>
Whats up Jammers,
Just wanted to pass on a quick review of the newest CLOCKWORK ep
"Search" that I got a few days ago. I remember first hearing about
these guys on the Jam for their excellent 28-minute epic "Weaving Webs
of Time" demo and was pleasantly surprised to find out about the new
release. They were also on that DREGS prog compilation disc and were
easily the best band on there; the rest were kinda lame IMHO.
The new one "Search" has plenty of those harmonized guitar leads,
keyboard guitar duels, super talented bass and percussion work that I
was so fond of on "Weaving Webs......." plus some really amazing new
arrangements that had me replaying solo after solo. There are a couple
of parts where the acoustic guitars come out of nowhere and start
playing these great leads sounding very "Cynic"-esqe (where every
instrument is doing its own thing!!)..I thought I was listening to
"Textures" by CYNIC at one point! These guys pull off some
mind-boggling stuff!
The new singer is definitely the best one they've had yet. Really
interesting phrasing, especially on the first song "Painting
Portraits". Ending has some really cool vocal harmony work similar to
SAVATAGE's "Chance". Song also has endless riffing (ala HELSTAR,
PSYCHOTIC WALTZ) that I loved.
For an independent release the production is pretty good. Finally
a good mix where I can hear all those intricate ride patterns I drool
all over for. I wish I was a musician because I KNOW that there's a lot
more going on in the music than I can describe. Basically, CLOCKWORK
shreds their asses off!
I can only imagine how many other talented independent progressive
bands are out there that have all this talent but no label support.
Hope these guys get signed soon because they are too good to pass up. I
got the cd for $8 from their web page (pretty cool site too!). Highly
recommended for any fan of technical, creative, progressive metal.
Check 'em out at: http://www.netti.fi/~japi/
Happy listening!
cheers,
Carlo
--
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__| |__
"When you know that your time is close at hand |__ __|
maybe then you'll begin to understand | |
Life down here is just a strange illusion." | |
|_|
--IRON MAIDEN (Hallowed Be Thy Name)
"Neo-classical, progressive, melodic metal"
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 18:35:21 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2556
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970516150035.11055A-100000@enteract.com>
> Rip, an old "cliche" for you: "two wrongs dont make a right"
I prefer "Two opinions don't make a fact." There's nothing wrong
about what Rip did. It's just an opinion. I'm sure James LaBrie can
handle it. So can Charlie. I don't think either of them read this list
anymore anyways, since there's usually little content anyways. :)
> It pisses me off to see anyone ragging on EITHER of them
> in the Jam. Both vocalists have done something special for
> us, and how are some people repaying them? By slinging shit
> about them in a place where they are defenseless.
They repay them by buying the albums. If they don't like the
albums, they have the right to say so. If they do like the albums, they
have the right to defend the vocalists. Let's not limit freedom of
speech. So long as it's done in a semi-respectful manner, why not allow
someone to voice his or her opinions?
> I respect your opinion, and I know you have a right to say it.
> I guess I just wish people would talk about the more positive
> feelings they have about the band members here.
I'm glad we don't limit this list to positive things only. I'm
glad people speak their minds, as long as they're not being assholes (i.e.
attacking members of the list, or cursing out band members and not
explaining what they don't like).
> Well, describing Watchtower is very hard. Maybe you know the band INNER
> STRENGTH, but they are not so complex as Watchtower!
Hmm. I disagree. Inner Strength sounds nothing like Watchtower
to me. I only bring this up because I think Watchtower might be EXTREMELY
hard for some people to dig... and might be right up a few of your alleys.
Watchtower's _Control and Resistance_:
Imagine James LaBrie with his throat ripped out, singing some out
there "conspiracy" based lyrics in wierd keys over the solo to Metropolis.
They get that out there. This is something that you need to hear before
buying! (though I dig it. Amazing musicianship)
> Watchtower played a kind of music that could be decribed as "Jazz-
> Metal".
Again, I disagree, but nothing personal. They go from a heavy
metal Rush to the middle of Metropolis... that's how I'd put it. Feel
free to disagree though. :)
> Or is it something to do with the fact she's a female in a rock band? A
> few months ago, the "cool" thing for jammers to do was to rag on Alanis
> Morissette. Now it's Gwen Stefani. Is this a trend or something?
> Personally I like any band that has an attractive female singer...
Poppycock. Don't turn it into a sex issue. The only thing that
amuses me about that band is that weird vibrato she has... and how and why
she does it. I can dislike the music without singing praise to my penis,
and it's insulting that people would try and make it seem otherwise.
- Chris Ptacek
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 19:39:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (Dan Abosso)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Journey..
Message-ID: <199705162339.TAA10418@osfn.org>
Can someone give me the dates for the urrent Journey tour?
Also, some reviews on their new album?
Dan
--
Look at him now.. he's paler somehow... but he's coming 'round...
He's starting to choke... it's been so long since he spoke...
Well he can have the words right from my mouth...
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 19:45:20 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: This one's gonna linger...
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970516185002.11055B-100000@enteract.com>
> it's supposed to be a show and he's supposed to be performing! If he can't
> introduce songs without interrupting the flow of the show or sounding
> stupid, he just shouldn't introduce them. I think DT really need to take a
> lesson from Queensryche on how to put on a good show. I'm not saying they
> have to be as elaborate as QR, but they should make it more like a SHOW.
> The way James introduces songs sometimes, you'd think it's some kind of
> recital.
I think if the band reads this, they might actually appreciate
things like this in the long run. I mean... it's not often that a hard
core fan of a band will say anything more than "Gah! You're James
LaBrie!"
I know I would take things like this seriously, and probably
wouldn't be insulted. If I play for someone and he or she says "You
should have ended that last lick with a minor sweep that slides up to a
sweep in the relative major." I would probably stop and take the time to
learn the idea and see if I liked it better.
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> of their instrumental stuff, and I disagree. Generic prog fan? What the
> fuck is that supposed to mean?
It's supposed to mean lay off the caffeine. You're going a bit
psycho over an argument that obviously could have been disintegrated
if you had kept a level head, instead of sounding like an asshole.
> Are you sure you understand English? Because it sounds like you have no
> clue what I even wrote in the message you're responding to.
I think he's proven himself to have a better grasp of the English
language than the majority of this list. Grasping at straws?
> And after all, *I'M* one of the few on this list who's defended No
> Doubt, Alanis, and other bands that are taboo on this list.
Oh, and we do appreciate it. Your red badge of courage is in the
mail.
> They're my fucking favourite DT songs and that's all there fucking is to
> it. So go shove your attitude up your ass where it belongs, you fucking
> piece of shit.
Yeah... go fucking fuck a fucker you fuckfuck!
Grow "the fuck" up.
> BTW, does anyone know what the hell's up with the influx of assholes on the
> Jam lately (like Mr. Ravioli Hool here)? A guy can't even say he loves
> Metropolis as it is, and that "Voices" is his least favourite DT song
> without being flamed? Shit...
This is why I responded to this message. Self Martyrdom is a
pretty pathetic thing. If you think he's wrong, attack his argument, like
an adult. Maybe you're a tad over"fucking"sensitive?
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> On a related note: Does anyone else find it peculiar that
> MTV shows rap videos during the day? Like maybe the fans of such music
> have nothing to do at this time, i.e. WORK.
That's not entirely fair... but then, you've never been called a
fair man. :)
There is some truth to the statement (though I don't know how
much... how many out of work people have cable?). Think about it: when
glam was in, it was mainly kids getting into the music... get home from
grammar school or high school right in time for (what was it called...)
Hard 30 or Hard 60 or whatever the lame name of the show was. They played
it right when people would be getting home from school, not work.
Headbanger's ball: Not on during work hours. It was on about when most
high school age kids would be getting back from parties and stuff. This
type of thing is taken into account when they choose the broadcast times.
> Looking at the WDADU liner, I wonder to myself if at some point, JM
> actually owned pink tights. It wouldn't be a stretch...
D'oh!
> >Kick ass movie. :) I'm more of a Braveheart fanatic myself tho.
>
> I knew there was a reason I liked you Chris.
That's right. Manly men, in manly skirts, fighting a manly war.
That, and just a great story, executed beautifully, with little emphasis
placed on historical geographic details.
Good post, BTW.
> Well, after 3 1/2 long years, I finally changed from .11s to .09s and
> tuned back up to A=440 from 1/2 step down.
Welcome back. :)
- Chris
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 18:02:54 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Journey..
Message-ID: <199705170102.SAA17320@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Dan Abosso said:
>
>
>
> Can someone give me the dates for the urrent Journey tour?
>
>Also, some reviews on their new album?
>
>Dan
>
>--
>Look at him now.. he's paler somehow... but he's coming 'round...
>He's starting to choke... it's been so long since he spoke...
>Well he can have the words right from my mouth...
CURRENT Journey Tour?? I don't even think they're touring for this
album...
-The Doc
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 21:34:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jason L Luscher <luscher@student.umass.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Chasing Amy/ Surrounded
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970516213257.14670B-100000@emily.oit.umass.edu>
could someone please, please send me the jam with the comparison between
"Chasing Amy" and "Surrounded". i can't remember who did it, but you are
an absolute genious. thank you - jason
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Date: Fri, 16 May 1997 21:48:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: don't think it matters....
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970516214019.15479A-100000@joust.rs.itd.umich.edu>
> What is the last number of PT to be sent out? When posting a review of
> this disc please list the number...
Hey Pat, I'm not sure the disc number really matters....Mike Bahr sent a
message to the jam a while back in which he made it sound like he was
shipping stuff out by order of payment received......
Lars Hellstein: Quick question, dude: ever stop to think that maybe YOU
are the asshole? If you weren't a hockey fan I'd rip into you more......
merlo: pass those rocks already and get yerself back on this jam, ya hear
me???
partha (ain't nothing but a cynical fuck) mukhopadhyay
(now there's something i haven't called myself in a while....damn those
avalanche)
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