YTSEJAM Digest 2562
Today's Topics:
1) Dark Tranquillity / Black Metal
by cronos@NOworldaccess.SPAMnl (Richard Karsmakers)
2) Re: don't think it matters
by Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
3) Fuck!
by Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
4) Re: black matel
by matt rosin <msr7146@unix.tamu.edu>
5) Truth is indeed stranger than fiction
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2561
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
7) Clockwork "Search" CD...
by Steve Chew <schew@tis.com>
8) Live overdubs
by "Simon Mitternacht" <rel96dim@student2.lu.se>
9) Nipples, caffeine, etc.
by Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
10) Re: Truth is indeed stranger than fiction
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
11) Arrested development
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
12) Re: Fates on this list
by mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2561
by Christopher J Daley <cdaley@osf1.gmu.edu>
14) JLB and other musings.....
by "Matt Lamoureux" <matt_l@sprynet.com>
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Date: Mon, 19 May 97 11:29:49 GMT
From: cronos@NOworldaccess.SPAMnl (Richard Karsmakers)
To: msr7146@unix.tamu.edu, ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam Mailing List)
Subject: Dark Tranquillity / Black Metal
Message-ID: <M.051997.132949.72@wxs4-4.worldaccess.nl>
Hi there,
I am very interested in how anyone could consider Dark Tranquillity a My Dying
Bride rip-off. I think it's probably the worst comparison (well, *one* of the
worst) anyone could make. Dark Tranquillity is a lot more like At The Gates
(screaming vocals, fast thrash, high musical talents), not at all like My Dying
Bride (grunt and doomey vocals, slow doom, good groove but no musical wizards).
The lyrics are both grade A, that's about the only thing they have in common
IMO.
Both My Dying Bride and Dark Tranquillity have nothing to do with Black Metal
a la Dimmu Borgir, Cradle, Emperor, etc.
By the way, I dig black metal *and* Dark Tranquillity *and* My Dying Bride a
lot. Is there a chance you may have mixed up Dark Tranquillity with another
band in your mind?
Keep cool,
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 10:05:57 -0400
From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: don't think it matters
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970517101230.007a5a70@ionsys.com>
>Lars Hellstein: Quick question, dude: ever stop to think that maybe YOU
>are the asshole? If you weren't a hockey fan I'd rip into you more......
Well, assmonger, you can start by getting my name right! :) I think
there's more than one asshole on the Jam. But that's not the point. Just
because I'm an asshole doesn't mean I can't call other people assholes too!
Besides, I prefer to be called a "fuckfuck".
BTW, I hate to admit this, but even though I'm a Leaf fan, and find that
"HOCKEYTOWN" thing to be rather obscene, I've reduced myself to pulling for
your Murder City Dead Things this round. :) They won't win, but I really
don't want the Avs to win the cup this year (they have such a deep
organization, and so many draft picks stockpiled that they could possibly
build a dynasty that would match the 70's Montreal Canadiens teams).
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 10:05:53 -0400
From: Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fuck!
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970517100127.007a5a10@ionsys.com>
> I think he's proven himself to have a better grasp of the English
>language than the majority of this list. Grasping at straws?
Well, considering he completely misunderstood my argument, I would disagree
with you there. In fact, he flamed me in response to my message, and then
he essentially made the exact same point that I was making. You have to be
a pretty big dumbass to do that.
>> And after all, *I'M* one of the few on this list who's defended No
>> Doubt, Alanis, and other bands that are taboo on this list.
>
>Oh, and we do appreciate it. Your red badge of courage is in the
>mail.
Hey stupid, obviously the point I was making in that sentence flew way
fucking over your head. If you had a brain, you would realize that it's
these same people like this guy who brand me as "closed minded" for liking
LTL, TTT, and Metropolis that bash Alanis and No Doubt. Isn't it a bit
hypocritical to flame someone for being closed minded. I mean, even if I
was closed minded, expecting everyone in the world to be open minded is
just as closed minded as anything else. If that makes any sense.
Anyway, I don't need you fucking hypocrites... WOOOOOOOHHHHOOOOOO!!!!!
>> They're my fucking favourite DT songs and that's all there fucking is to
>> it. So go shove your attitude up your ass where it belongs, you fucking
>
> Yeah... go fucking fuck a fucker you fuckfuck!
Fuck you, you fucking Ptacek!!
> This is why I responded to this message. Self Martyrdom is a
>pretty pathetic thing. If you think he's wrong, attack his argument, like
>an adult. Maybe you're a tad over"fucking"sensitive?
His argument didn't make any sense, because he was supporting my argument.
I was attacking the fucking flames and the fucking stupidity in his message
by fucking lowering myself to his fucking level, which at times is the only
fucking thing one can fucking do to make a fucking point, ok? Besides,
fuckers like him really fucking make me fucking sick! Besides, being a
martyr is cool. Kurt Cobain was a fucking martyr man...
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 08:07:57 -0500
From: matt rosin <msr7146@unix.tamu.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: black matel
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970519080757.0069f92c@mailbox.neosoft.com>
>Hey! This guy has some great music taste! :) Hey Matt, get your hands on
>Therion's "Theli".
i must agree with you here. this cd is wonderful.
>I originally heard bands like Emperor and Mayhem, the so-called "black
>metal" gods and was NOT impressed at all. Sounded like a wall of
>shrieking...
really? i'm not a big mayhem fan, but i love emperor... the new ep is
quite interesting. supposedly, the new album is coming out this month,
but emperor has a nasty habit of pushing back release schedules. :)
>Actually, some time ago a dude got arrested in England for wearing a Cradle
>of Filth tee shirt. If you want to hear the detals, email me. The full story
>is not something that can be discussed on the jam.
hee hee... those naughty nuns... :)
-matt.
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 14:30:05 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Truth is indeed stranger than fiction
Message-ID: <338063EC.167E@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> PHILADELPHIA, Pa. - A woman is suing the pharmacy that sold her a
> popular contraceptive jelly - because she ate the stuff on toast
> and got pregnant anyway.
>
> And, incredibly, many legal experts are saying she's got an
> excellent chance of collecting!
>
> "The woman is a complete idiot," said one attorney who asked that we
> not use his name. "How bright can you be if you think eating a
> vaginal gel will prevent conception?
>
> "But certain aspects of the case involve truth in labeling and false
> advertising issues. She may not collect but she'll make a lot of
> noise and trouble. People are down on lawyers anyway. They think we
> waste time and money on frivolous lawsuits. This isn't going to help
> our public relations any."
>
> A spokesman for the unnamed mom-and-pop drugstore says he's shocked
> and angry that such a case could ever be taken seriously. "All she
> has to do is open the box and read the directions," says the
> spokesman. "Next thing you know someone will come after us because
> they couldn't stick things together with their toothpaste.
>
> "I can just imagine some moron saying: 'It's paste, isn't it? Why
> can't I glue these papers onto my bulletin board?' "
>
> But attorneys for Mrs. Chyton say she was swindled and lied to by
> implication and they intend to make the pharmacy pay $500,000 for
> the hardship the woman will have to endure.
>
> "It says right on it 'jelly,'" says Mrs. Chyton, a former model who
> was once a cheerleader for a popular professional basketball team.
>
> "And they kept it on the shelf just two aisles from the food
> section. I know, now, that the directions say it should be used
> vaginally with a condom.
>
> "But who has time to sit around reading directions these days -
> especially when you're sexually aroused?
>
> "The company should call it something else and the pharmacy
> shouldn't sell it without telling each and every customer who buys it
> that eating it won't prevent you from getting pregnant."
>
> As bizarre as it sounds, the pharmacy could wind up losing the
> lawsuit. "It's hard for businesses to avoid troublesome lawsuits,"
> said another attorney.
>
> "With the courts bending over backwards to please consumer groups,
> the temper of the times is perfect for these crackpots to bring legal
> action against businesses - even a moronic legal action like this."
Too fucking much!
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 09:53:19 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2561
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970519093444.27795C-100000@enteract.com>
> Anyone ever slapped some .11 gauge strings on their guitar and tuned down
> to C? Man, this is an awesome sound. Very heavy, without the Korn-y tone
> that usually comes with most big B strings. Me likes it :)
I have .10 - .62 on my 7 string. Had to block off the trem to do
it, but it shreds!
> From: "Ollila Marko" <marko.ollila@metsaserla.fi>
> Subject: Black Metal
I have trouble listening to much of what I call Black Metal. The
clear vocal parts are usually very good, but a lot of the fast stuff just
sounds noisy. It's like... take a fast blast beat, mix in a lot of
midrange guitar and high bass and a growl that sounds like something from
the Hobbit. It just tends to get very noisy to me, very quickly. There
are many exceptions.
I would be interested to see where you would place Arcturus (i.e.
in which genre). Their guitarist is pretty much the most impressive
player I've heard from what I would consider Black Metal.
- Chris
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 11:10:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Chew <schew@tis.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Clockwork "Search" CD...
Message-ID: <199705191510.LAA00108@clipper.hq.tis.com>
I wanted to second (third?) the positive reviews of the new Clockwork
CD. Very cool stuff! I'm sure quite a few of the Ytsejammers out there would
appreciate the CD. The music is full of good dynamics and rhythm changes.
The guitar work is superb and I love their use of keyboards (reminding me
a bit of DT or Superior). I also enjoy the vocals quite a bit.
The band is based out of Pennsylvania (near Philly I think). You
can get more info on their web page:
Or, you can send email to: st96d6z4@dunx1.ocs.drexel.edu
to contact band member Anthony Sciamanna. I got my CD through him.
He was prompt about sending it out after getting my check.
The CD is only $8 and is definitely worth trying.
Steve
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 17:23:04 +0200
From: "Simon Mitternacht" <rel96dim@student2.lu.se>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Live overdubs
Message-ID: <9705191522.AA13174@nomina.lu.se>
Hi there
I read in the may 97 GuitarWorld that they did overdubs on the G3 live
album.
They also said that this was not unusual on live records.
I didn't know this before, so I wonder is this done on LAtM and the live
parts on ACoS?
The guys in Dream Theater should be able to play this good live... I have
never seen them live, but I have noticed that the vocals are better on LAtM
than they are on the IAW video. And the live vocals on ACoS are very much
better.
Also check out my homepage:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/1233/dtindex.html
I've put two DT articles there. One from Hit Parader about the story behind
TTT, and I've translated one from the Swedish Magazine Metal Zone. I don't
think these are available anywhere else.
Simon "Crimson" Mitternacht
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/1233/
May the force be with you...
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 10:35:26 -0500
From: Madelaine <maddy@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Nipples, caffeine, etc.
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970519153526.006c9d64@enteract.com>
>Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 18:42:58 -0600
>From: sir@micron.net
>Hi my name's woot glad to meet you
Hey, woot! Get yer butt back on Diablo!! :)
>woot is wearing brand new shorts and they are already chafing his A
Ya know, woot, there are powders available for just such a problem...
>Date: Sun, 18 May 1997 20:33:55 +0000
>From: "Andrew Miller" <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
>> VIVA LA JAMES.....HE IS AWSOME I CANT BELIEVE YOU WOULD EVEN THINK ABOUT
>> HAVING A PETITION TO GET HIM OFF THE BAND...YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED
>
>viva la caps lock key. yeah, that's right, the one located on the
>left hand side of the keyboard...
Are they now sending cases of Jolt along with the AOL subscription coasters?
If so, SEND ONE MY WAY! (and that part was created using shift. Caps lock is
for lusers)
>Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 00:36:22 PST
>From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
><Head> No way can I pass up a set of pert nipples
><Head> And the fact that you have male genitalia in addition
>just blows me away.
><Head> I love you, man.
><Head> Can I have your bud light?
>*** The topic for #ytsejam is: <Head> No way can I pass up a
>set of pert nipples
><V_Clortho> pert nipples rule!
Stop looking at Peart's nipples!!! A lot of drummers wear clothing like that
(or no shirts at all) I'm sure he'd be rather angry to know you're staring
at his nipples the entire show...in fact, he might simultaneously deny your
existence and boycott you! ;)
And how can Mulder really be dead if they're planning at least 1 more season
of X-files... Scully & Skinner pounding the pavement? Not likely.... But
that episode really bummed me out. :P
-Maddy
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 11:34:53 -0400 (EDT)
From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Truth is indeed stranger than fiction
Message-ID: <199705191534.LAA22296@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
(story of jelly-eating removed)
Just reminder that I have first dibs on the rocketship to Mars....
-Al
p.s. - I feel sorry for the kid she's gonna have (if she has it).
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I inhale the sun...........I exhale the absence of light
I am the number One..........burning.
^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^@^
email: balkiewi@njmsa.umdnj.edu the_prof@bigfoot.com
HOMEPAGE:http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Towers/9280/index.html
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 15:41:36 +0000
From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Arrested development
Message-ID: <338074B0.446B@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> From: Buckaroo
> I wrote a really long message to the jam and my new PC crapped out for
> the second time today!
Where do YOU want to go today? :)
> Does anyone else find it peculiar that MTV shows rap videos during the
> day? Like maybe the fans of such music have nothing to do at this time,
> i.e. WORK.
Whadya mean? It's WORK cuttin' up those bags, :) The reason for
watching rap video is so when the police arrive, you can claim that the
video made you do it :)
> From: Adam
> Didn't it SEEM like he was gonna be awfully good when he came up?
I can tell you're a baseball fan :) Between the almosts and the ones who
got better AFTER they were traded away, we could field 2 or 3 teams.
> I mean, his upside potential was tremendous...but he never really
> progresed -- or learned how to play Left. Ah well...
His bat was the only reason he was there as long as he was.
> Poppycock. Don't turn it into a sex issue.
uh, huh huh, he said cock :)
> From: Not the "other" Pat
> I was simply commenting on the fact that people seem to coming out of the
> woodwork all of the sudden and ripping James a new oriface.
Another orifice for Korg to check out :)
Regards,
Jon
*------------*------------------------*--------------*
| Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 |
*------------*------------------------*--------------*
If you can talk brilliantly enough about a problem, it can
create the consoling illusion that it has been mastered...
Stanley Kubrick
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Date: Mon, 19 May 97 08:39:16 PST8
From: mrkizer@CCGATE.HAC.COM
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Fates on this list
Message-ID: <9704198640.AA864056823@CCGATE.HAC.COM>
>I agree. And what happened to the idea of a Fatez mailing list? I guess
>none of us have time / equipment / knowledge / or interest to start it. I
>sure's hell don't know how to do it.
Well, there is going to be (or already is) a Metal Blade Records
mailing list (with Fates probably being the majority of the
discussions) that was setup by Ken Bibb. I have been talking to him,
and will be helping him maintain the list as soon as he is ready. As
soon as it is up and fully functional I will post the sign on
instructions here...
~Mike
~Michael Kizer -- Computer Sciences Corporation (Tucson, AZ)
Email: mrkizer@ccgate.hac.com / mkizer@goodnet.com / fugazi@weirdness.com
URL: http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer
Dream Theater Song Book -^- Fates Warning Island in the Stream
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 12:57:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: Christopher J Daley <cdaley@osf1.gmu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2561
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95q.970519124551.2328A-100000@mason2.gmu.edu>
> In Flames isn't black metal. They belong to a relatively tiny subgenre of
> death metal called NWOSDM. Anyone remember NWBOHM? Well, this one means
Actually, no. :) What is nwbohm?
> Cradle of Filth isn't black metal (anymore) either. They have been (around
> their first album "The Principle of Evil Made Flesh"), but the latter two
> efforts have been what they call gothic dark metal.
What's the difference? Dark seems pretty blackish to me.
> Hey! This guy has some great music taste! :) Hey Matt, get your hands on
> Therion's "Theli". You will love it. I give you my money back guarantee. If
> you don't like "Theli", I will buy the cd off you. :) In fact, email me, I
> just might have some other bomb proof recommendations for you.
Guh, I can't find that CD. I have one of their songs (in the
desert of set) or something like that. It's so hard to find
stuff here in VA, U.S.A. I was lucky to find a Cradle of Filth
CD.
> The vampire crap is there because like their music, the lyrics are also
> influenced by 18th century British literature. BTW, in case anyone has a clue
> how the hell Dani produces the infamous shrieks, would you please explain it
> to me as well. Especially I would like to know how this is executed on stage.
Dani's got a pretty powerful voice for his small frame.
Supposedly live he can keep all that up throughout the show.
And yall thought James LaBrie was tough?
> Actually, some time ago a dude got arrested in England for wearing a Cradle
> of Filth tee shirt. If you want to hear the detals, email me. The full story
> is not something that can be discussed on the jam.
How is that? Maybe I've overlooked a rule for the jam but, I
don't see anything too controversial about the story itself, besides the
shirt...Nevertheless the kid broke some law that was made back in 1700 or
something in England that had some kind of religious influence. In other
words, they tried to nail the kid with whatever law that they could find.
It's all so pathetic. Of course you probably won't find me wearing a
Cradle of Filth shirt with a picture of a nun on it. :)
Chris.
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Date: Mon, 19 May 1997 13:24:24 -0400
From: "Matt Lamoureux" <matt_l@sprynet.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: JLB and other musings.....
Message-ID: <199705191730.KAA05750@m9.sprynet.com>
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Hi all !
This is my first post, so try not to destroy me just yet. I just have a
few thoughts about the discussion going on about James La Brie and his
vocals.
I think music should be like reading books or viewing art. You should
judge the end product produced by the author/band/artist, and not be
concerned with judging them on their actions in real life. Flame me if you
want, but ACOS is the only tape I own with live music on it. The only
concert I've ever been to was DT (Rocky Point Paladium, Mass. - IAW tour).
I loved it, but only because it was DT. Consequently, I couldn't care less
about JLB's live vocals and stage presence. I'd rather have DT never go on
tour, and just keep cranking out killer tracks every six months or so.
Just my opinion, feedback is welcome.
Since that will never happen, the discussion about JLB is valid. The band
will never be as big as they could be if they don't have a frontman that
will make new fans join and old fans return. Hence the "What if.." about a
replacement. My personal pick? Try not to laugh -> Bruce Dickinson
(formerly of Iron Maiden). He's got the high-end capabilities, as well as
the low-end growl. He's also good with lyrics and would fit in pretty well
with the band's trend toward heavier material. Stage presence and live
vocals - I haven't a clue. Has anyone seen him live? Personally, I think
JLB is great, since I only listen to studio-quality stuff, but it is fun to
wonder sometimes 'What if?' so Bruce would get my vote.
Feel free to discuss or flame any of these ideas. I enjoy a spirited
argument now and again!
- Matt (Swordsman on IRC)
- I need to live life
- Like some people never will
- So find me kindness
- Find me beauty
- Find me truth
- - - Dream Theater - - Learning To Live - - -
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vocals.<br>	I think music should be like reading books or viewing =
art. You should judge the end product produced by the =
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actions in real life. Flame me if you want, but ACOS is the only =
tape I own with live music on it. The only concert I've ever been =
to was DT (Rocky Point Paladium, Mass. - IAW tour). I loved it, =
but only because it was DT. Consequently, I couldn't care less =
about JLB's live vocals and stage presence. I'd rather have DT =
never go on tour, and just keep cranking out killer tracks every six =
months or so. Just my opinion, feedback is welcome.<br>	Since =
that will never happen, the discussion about JLB is valid. The =
band will never be as big as they could be if they don't have a frontman =
that will make new fans join and old fans return. Hence the =
"What if.." about a replacement. My personal pick? =
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Maiden). He's got the high-end capabilities, as well as the =
low-end growl. He's also good with lyrics and would fit in pretty =
well with the band's trend toward heavier material. Stage presence =
and live vocals - I haven't a clue. Has anyone seen him live? =
Personally, I think JLB is great, since I only listen to =
studio-quality stuff, but it is fun to wonder sometimes 'What if?' so =
Bruce would get my vote.<br>	Feel free to discuss or flame any of =
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again!<br><br>		- Matt (Swordsman on IRC)<br><br>- I need to =
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