YTSEJAM Digest 2578
Today's Topics:
1) A medical prothesis
by "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
2) Clarifications:
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
3) DT Content??
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
4) WTF?
by eckie@asu.edu
5) Enchant
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
6) guns + roses rumors again :-)
by "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
7) Re: Enchant
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
8) Rap
by Hard Rock <cdh191@merle.acns.nwu.edu>
9) FW + W.
by Hein Vandenabeele
10) CD for Sale (acoustic dreams)
by cote@medcor.mcgill.ca
11) APSOG comment
by Antti Nyrhinen <nyrhinen@leandra.ebs.ee>
12) LTL in Tallinn
by Antti Nyrhinen <nyrhinen@leandra.ebs.ee>
13) Ibanez again.....\
by Tim Adams <adamst@egginc.com>
14) RE: Queensryche in Philly (fwd)
by Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
15) come out and play with me
by Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu>
16) Angra "Holy Live"
by <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng)
17) Nothing of value here...
by andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com
18) Re: rap
by matt rosin <msr7146@unix.tamu.edu>
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 01:07:19 +0000
From: "KorgX3" <ibanez@mailhost.cyberhighway.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: A medical prothesis
Message-ID: <199705220707.AAA23539@odin.ax.com>
> If any doctors / musicians on the list can explain to me why I feel this
> way.... I'd love to know.
It is due to an unmistakable fact that your anima has superceded your
idosychrous vaccicule and there are aggresive cedophytes altering the
electroprothetic impulses of your rural fronterial cortex. This can
be interdicted with 500 cc of psuedotrimethylglucosium phosphate
injected directly into your appendectimal serrutorium, resulting in a
philanthrofication of profitable econimic inenduities into the bovine
enclosure encapsulated in my denim depository.
Who else needs an enema? :) <j/k, I'm jus' bored>
---KorgX3
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 00:08:09 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Clarifications:
Message-ID: <199705220708.AAA28077@goodnet.com>
Hi all! Just had to broadcast a few items to the Jam because it's
easier this way.
Jeff Esshaki, Jai John, Patricia McLoughlin - your DW discs are already in
the mail as of now, but your PT discs are not as of yet. It's anyone's
guess why, but this reversal of shipping order usually doesn't happen.
Dan Tarquin - your tapes are on the way (re-sends).
Syrinx, Sean McFee, all cover artists - resends are on the way.
Matt Erwich - can you get in touch with me? I think I owe you money.
The rest of you - Count your blessings! Nothing has gone wrong with your
order yet! :) And an update will be put up shortly.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 00:14:23 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT Content??
Message-ID: <199705220714.AAA28619@goodnet.com>
The reason there's no DT content right now is because there's
fucking nothing to talk about with regard to DT right now!! Duh! Once
something significant happens, we'll have tons of shit to post about.
Until that time happens, there's nothing wrong with related band posts,
related topic posts, and even general friendly back'n'forth.
Any of you veterans ever think to yourself, "Why do I try?"...
Say, is anyone still on here that was on here before I was? I
believe I subscribed in October 1993.
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 00:42:45 -0700 (MST)
From: eckie@asu.edu
To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: WTF?
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970522002210.2847H-100000@general3.asu.edu>
How the fuck did we get on the topic of rap???
Anyhoo,
This DT/Electra gig. I think Electra needs to get thier heads out of
thier asses. Isn't Silverchair under one of thier labels? I hear the
new single on the radio, and it just reeks freshly-wetted-rolled in it's
own shit-dog hair. Yeah, my opinion's purely subjective, I totally
understand, but when some whiny teenager's up there cracking his voice in
front of the microphone while thrashing his single chord on his custom,
limited edition series Roswell Rhoads guitar (Has anybody here played
one? I'm interested in reviews from yous guitarists out there), I don't
want to endure it or "let it grow on me" because MTV says they're
cool...I turn the fucking radio OFF!
And the same deal applies in this new Bush single. My GOD does this guy
jump out of key and out of song.
My point is that these "new alternative" bands don't have any soul to
thier music. If it's one thing that I totally dig, it's the soul of a
song that sways your emotions, like that of Learning to Live, Voices,
Mirror/Lie, Nothing Else Matters. It's a rush gained from the
combination of tempo, groove, and textures, and some more of that theory
shit that the guitarists dread that these bands don't realize they lack,
or maybe they do realize they lack it but the record company wants them
to play crap, or they don't get their money. (Ahhhhh, Eyes of a Stranger
just started on my li'l radio, KUPD rules).
Vince and I were discussing how annoying it is to endure this shit when
it comes on the radio, how boring it sounds, how uninspiring it is, and
how boring it is to play. Take the Time, on the other hand, is one of my
all-time fave songs, and I've only taken a look at the song/tab book and
haven't learned it yet, it's not an E pentatonic that gets the job done
in this song....try playing something in C# minor for a change, and see
what I mean. It's a little different than slamming that pick through an
Em chord over and over and over...it's a hell of a change, and I find it
refreshing.
To tie a little ribbin around this whole post and just sum bring it back
to my original dilemma, I believe it's an un-solvable one that's only
been bitched about several millions of times (my God, there's even a
couple movies with this conflict--Airheads and Ford Fairlane) and will
continue to piss off the musicians struggling to make ends meet yet try
to maintain thier integrity. It's all about money. Soul doesn't mean
shit. Scales don't mean shit. If shit means money, shit means shit.
On the lighter hand, I see a rather refreshing onslaught of rockers
crashing through the airwaves lately, with bands like Offspring, Foo
Fighters, and Naked. It's nice to know that when the waves of rock
trends pass over, there's a comfortable layer of great metal to remind
people what soul and integrity is...until the next wave of Big Trend
comes around. Hello Ozzfest and Cryptic Writings!
~Eckie babbles
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 10:55:16 +0200
From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Enchant
Message-ID: <338409F2.120F@westend.com>
Hi!
Just FYI: You US guys are an album late. The third Enchant album is
out here in Europe. I just forgot the name of the thing ;-)
They also played one of the new songs on the tour with DT. (wow, DTC)
Oh, and don't get CDs for Dr. Mosh. I bought a "Wounded"-CD for him
*months* ago and he waited till "Wounded" was released in the US
instead.
No comment.
Steffen
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 12:45:09 +0200
From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@guvatrak.ee>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: guns + roses rumors again :-)
Message-ID: <199705220952.MAA18814@lahmaat.guvatrak.ee>
> album should be out in the summer of -97, I also read something like
> this in guitarworld. If Axl didn't like Slash's songs they'd appear
> on a new Slash's Snakepit album (the first one was great).
Slash's Snakepit album is more probable. They've been promising a new
Guns N' Whatnot album since the summer of '94, it'd be my bet there's
nothing more coming from that camp. You will probably get Axl's solo
album under the name of Guns N' Roses, if anything.
Not that I care anymore though, I ceased to be their fan sometime
around 1993-1994, where something terrible :-) began happening to my
formerly so small world of music.
..and the older I got, the more I played with my weenie again, but
then, that's just the way it goes.
Do not click here to continue.
Raitz
Be reasonable --
demand the impossible!
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 03:20:46 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Enchant
Message-ID: <199705221020.DAA23326@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Steffen Barabasch said:
>
>Oh, and don't get CDs for Dr. Mosh. I bought a "Wounded"-CD for him
>*months* ago and he waited till "Wounded" was released in the US
>instead.
>
HAHAHHA... sorry dude!!! I just couldn't get a Spock's Beard CD... I would've
told you sooner... but I was tied up...
But I'll get you one this weekend... e-mail me
-The Doc
-- #$%*#$*@ E-MAIL: drkhoe@gmsnet.com #$%#$#$% *$%&%#$* Global Micro Solutions #$#$#@@# *$*$*$*# Reality Enhancement Software - Engineering Reality *$&#*#@$ #$@#$#@# http://www.gmsnet.com/progmetal @#$@##@$------------------------------
Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 05:21:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Hard Rock <cdh191@merle.acns.nwu.edu> To: The Perfect Strangers <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Rap Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.93.970522051754.21890A-100000@merle.acns.nwu.edu>
You guys are funny...you (myself included) want the whole world to be open minded about DT and all that they have to offer, yet some of you are too ignorant to realize that rap is an art form and also means a lot to a lot of people. How hypocritical. Some people on this list should really grow up and have respect.
Take it easy, "To be is to do" - Plato Charlie Harrison "To do is to be" - Aristotle "Hard Rock" (NYC) "Doo bee doo bee doo" - Sinatra /} / / / / /> "Vato" ,__________/ //{----/{________________________________ "Vato" Miami /| ==========|/\|-----/_________________________________\ Miami NYC \| ==========|\/|-----\_________________________________/ NYC '~~~~~~~~~~\ \\{----\{ "I'm never \ \ \> "Having a sensitive member of the out of my range." \ \ audience; it's like having another \} member of the band..." -PATRICK EWING, NY KNICKS -JOHN COLTRANE
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Date: 22 May 97 12:34:54 EDT From: Hein Vandenabeele To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: FW + W. Message-ID: <9705221335.AA4155@NYC-NTGW-N02.ny.jpmorgan.com>
I want to say something. I read all these messages about Fates Warning, so I became interested in them. So yesterday I could lay my hands on two albums "The Strife Within" and "Night On Brocken". I admit, I am IMPRESSED... These guys can play !!!! I some them a long time ago open for DT and I was not really impressed, but now ... Thank you people, I did an excellent discovery yesterday !!!
Hein.
PS. I also have "Energetic Disassembly" by WatchTower, but that is for tonight !! Can't wait !!!
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Date: Thu, 22 May 97 06:45:13 -0500 From: cote@medcor.mcgill.ca To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: CD for Sale (acoustic dreams) Message-ID: <199705221049.GAA16790@sirocco.CC.McGill.CA>
Hello jammers,
I have a few CD I would like to sell. I had offer before, but somebody who commited to buy them can't anymore. So here they are:
1- Acoustic Dreams (Mike Bahr original)
This is an original #043. I will wait for the best offer for this one (minimum 30$ US).
2- Magellan- Impanding accension (9$) 3- Ivanhoe- Symbols of time (9$) 4- Angra- Holly Land (9$)
I would like to sell those 3 CD together.
Jean-Francois
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 14:38:42 +0300 (EET DST) From: Antti Nyrhinen <nyrhinen@leandra.ebs.ee> To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: APSOG comment Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970522143111.17120B-100000@leandra.ebs.ee>
Ok, I finally got APSOG. Or, actually I've had it for quite some time now, but I wanted to listen to it over and over again before saying anything.. And now I would say I've reached enlightenment. It's the best CD ever made. Period. Sure, comparing it to I&W is hard, but at least at the moment I think APSOG is superior..
I won't write a full review (I'll save that for the upcoming FW mailing list) but I'll just say that parts 6 and 8 are my favourites at the moment.
Finally, have you guys noticed that FW actually comments on KevMo's parting ways with DT in the song? It's in Part 5, towards the end:
"I will not apologize, I will not defend any Moore, any Moore."
bad joke, I know.
Have a nice summer folks, I'll be signing off in a day or two.
go rangers, antti
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Antti Nyrhinen -- nyrhinen@leandra.ebs.ee -- Tel. +358-40-5858611 - Student of Int. Bus. Admin. at the Estonian Business School - - - - Find all you need in your mind if you take the time - - -
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 14:48:14 +0300 (EET DST) From: Antti Nyrhinen <nyrhinen@leandra.ebs.ee> To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: LTL in Tallinn Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970522144422.17120D-100000@leandra.ebs.ee>
I'm on a roll! Two posts in a day.. Maybe it has something to do with the examination sessions being over for the semester.
The topic doesn't refer to Learning to Live in Tallinn in the sense that I'd have to learn to live here, I'm just fine thanks, but rather the fact that this particular Dream Theater song can be heard in Tallinn's biggest and most popular nightclub every night.
They play the climax part of the instrumental section during their much-touted laser show at "Club Dekoltee" here.. Raitz might've heard it too, though I don't think he's the Dekoltee-going type. Neither am I, though, just for the record, I prefer Club Hollywood :)
And, because of this, DT even got played on national television.. One of the three Estonian channels I get featured the "Miss Eesti" beauty pageant early this week, and before and after each commercial break you could hear the instrumental climax to LTL.. Mainly because the pageant was held in Club Dekoltee and they showed part of the laser show before and after each commercial break.
Have I bored everyone to death yet? I could go on about how they sometimes play Dream Theater in the Finnish sports news.
Maybe another time.
:), antti
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Antti Nyrhinen -- nyrhinen@leandra.ebs.ee -- Tel. +358-40-5858611 - Student of Int. Bus. Admin. at the Estonian Business School - - - - Find all you need in your mind if you take the time - - -
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 07:57:15 -0400 From: Tim Adams <adamst@egginc.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ibanez again.....\ Message-ID: <s383fc90.076@wasc.egginc.com>
Mr. Plateck said:
Mint condition Green Jems with signature (most are signed by Vai) and certificate usually sell for $1000 - 2000. I know people who have sold them for $1200 and $1600. If the Zappa sig can be verified, that could be worth some H U G E dough. The Zap sig is real. He signed it a a clinic some years ago, I know that it can be verified. My friend just has it sitting there, well hanging sometimes. And yup, he has the certificate. Maybe I'll give him a c note for it :>)......
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 08:18:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: Queensryche in Philly (fwd) Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970522081817.10A-100000@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 20:39:49 -0500 From: Kevin Scurlock <ryche@mcs.net> To: 'Dan' <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu> Subject: RE: Queensryche in Philly
Dream Theater is a POSSIBLE opener, yes. But nothing is official.
Kevin Scurlock WebMaster: The Queensryche Campaign E-Mail: ryche@mcs.net WWW: http://www.mcs.net/~ryche
---------- From: Dan[SMTP:drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu] Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 1997 3:01 PM To: ryche@mcs.net Subject: Queensryche in Philly
Hello,
I a attending the QR show in Philly on Aug, 5th. I have heard rumors about Dream Theater opening for them, is this true?? If not then who would be opening for the band? Thanks
Dan Russell
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 08:22:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Partha Mukhopadhyay <ahtrap@umich.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: come out and play with me Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95.970522081806.13629B-100000@joust.rs.itd.umich.edu>
> From: Buck Stodgers <andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com> > Subject: La, la, la, la...
Judging from Andrew's subject, I thought he was gonna say something about that offspring song being #1..........
> you know "jeremy" will be number one
Lis'nin to Extreme's first album for the first time in a while......my hair's on fire from Nuno's pyrotechnics......really cool stuff....esp. "play with me"
partha
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Date: Thu, 22 May 97 9:17:44 EDT From: <CNG@tcco.com> (Chung Ng) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Angra "Holy Live" Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+rP2VnA@tcx.tcco.com>
My friend just got back from Brazil and he brought back "Holy Live" from Angra. These guys are quickly becoming my new favorite band. Does anyone know of any bootlegs of Angra? This CD is great, but it's short. I'd love to hear a full show of their's. Thanks.
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 09:38:42 -0400 From: andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Nothing of value here... Message-ID: <199705221340.AA03816@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello, The subject basically describes all of my posts, doesn't it... :) Jeremy wrote: > Me, I like Southern Comfort with my MD.
SoCo and Sprite is the nectar of the GODS! I am constantly amazed though when I go to bars and the 'tender has no idea what SoCo means. Sometimes I even have to repeat SOUTHERN COMFORT a couple times till they get it... Adam wrote: >Subject: Labels...Rap...
Ah... you made a reasonable error, i was talking about labeling MUSIC. As many of us know, rap is not music... :) Good post though, sorry about your Zippo. I just liked it too much not to take it...
Wandering the information highway in search of a tow truck, Andrew Forcier a.k.a. Buck Stodgers
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Date: Thu, 22 May 1997 08:53:35 -0500 From: matt rosin <msr7146@unix.tamu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: rap Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970522085335.006a79f4@mailbox.neosoft.com>
>> I dunno about that. Rap is pretty easily definable. Just listen for >> people with (seemingly) the IQ of a monkey speaking (not singing) in >dirty >> nursery rhymes.
how much rap have you actually listened to?!?! i mean, i'm not a big fan of rap, but at least i give it a serious, open listen if i *do* hear it. if you are willing to categorize all rap as mindless, low IQ music, then you are just ignorant. i suggest that you guve a serious listen to artists like the fugees, arrested development, and nas... if you still think it's all mindless after *openly* listening to those artists, then it says more about *you* than it does about rap.
>Generally try to make themselves look tough even tho' most >of them are under 150 lbs.
just like many, if not most metal and rock musicians who create a larger-than-life image around *their* music. what the hell is your point? you can't honestly tell me that dave mustaine's attitude and is remotely justified by his physical stature.
>> blasting at high volumes out of their car (usually a real beater) windows >> to annoy passersby.
again, i fail to see how this is different from what a lot of metal and rock fans do.
>don't like rap. In addition to what Adam said, I hate it when people refer >to what rappers do as singing. Are they dumb or something? I don't hear >any musical notes. I also hate that rappers become famous for doing >something that almost anyone else can do (unless you stutter or something, >although that could become a new style of rap).
ok, this is bullshit. i guarantee you that most people cannot do what good rappers do. it takes an incredible sense of rhythm and vocal inflection to achieve the sound that they wish to achieve. defining singing by western-art-music concepts of melody is absurd.
>I also hate it when >somebody who says that he/she listens to rap rips on metal. I mean, people >have different tastes, but don't rip on real music when the music you >listen to is close to not even being music.
ok, this is just utterly hypocritical. if you think for a second that you're not doing exactly the same thing, than i feel truly sorry for you.
>difference between any of the CDs he has (which are a lot), but he just >tells me that I CAN'T HEAR THE DIFFERENCE. It really bewilders me how he >says they are all different when there's no significant difference between >most of them.
your friend is right. just like you're right when someone says to you that all of d.t.'s progressive instrumental sections all sound the same and you respond by saying that he's not hearing the intricacies. it's the SAME GOD-DAMN THING!
i'm sick of this bullshit, so listen up, people: it is a fundamental fact of life that if someone is not familiar with a musical form or genre, they will think it all sounds the same, and the sounds will all blend together. if you don't think this is true, than i suggest studying musical forms from around the world. different cultures and groups hear music in fundamentally different ways. it takes an active listener to discover how it is one listens to different forms of music and to discover how and why it is how it is, because each form demands different things of a listener.
if you aren't willing to take the time to learn something about a particular form of music, just keep your fucking mouth shut about it and don't pretend like you know the first thing about what you're talking about, because you literally have no clue. if it all sounds the same to you, then it's a sure sign you haven't taken the time to *seriously* learn about it.
if you don't know anything about it, then shut the fuck up until you do.
-matt.
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