YTSEJAM Digest 2575
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2573
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
2) DT on radio...
by Steve Chew <schew@tis.com>
3) stimulating Depressants and the ytseboslunch.
by "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu>
4) MH
by "Simon Mitternacht" <rel96dim@student2.lu.se>
5) Re: newbies and veterans - proposition for the list
by Eleuthera Lewis <lewis@NU.cs.fsu.edu>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2574
by andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com
7) Re: newbies and veterans - proposition for the list
by eckie@asu.edu
8) YTSEJAM digest 2574 -Reply
by BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
9) YTSEJAM digest 2574 -Reply
by BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM>
10) Re: ELP
by Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov>
11) Re: MH
by Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2574
by Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
13) Labels...Rap...
by Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
14) texas jammers
by Chip Alexander <tca.sdi@ix.netcom.com>
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 15:07:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2573
Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970521145625.21489A-100000@enteract.com>
> I heard somewhere that Manowar hold some unofficial record for the
> loudest show...i think it was about 143 db.
I can confirm this. They do hold some unofficial record for
extreme volume.
> From: "Nicole R. Stachowicz
> Lars Hellsten <larsh@ionsys.com> wrote:
> >I think there are two camps of DT fans here. The metalheads who also
> >happen to like DT, mainly for the heavier stuff, and the people who like
> >mostly lighter stuff but who DT appeals to because of the complexity.
>
> I really think this comment is true. Maybe we could keep it in mind as
> we discuss different types of metal/rock/whatever Top 40 became? Just a
> suggestion. :)
Do you (or does anyone) really think it's that simple? I'm
curious. I mean I know it's helpful to be able to categorize, but I think
the interests on this list can't be pigeonholed into that corner. When I
started liking DT, I already liked death metal, neoclassical, prog, cock
rock, rock n roll, blues, fusion, classical and pop to name a few... And
I'm not unique in that respect here.
I think it's a lot harder to classify all of the members of this
list (and DT fans in general) into two categories like that. I think the
diversity of these tastes leads to the bickering and problems to an extent
as well. If you list your favorite music, and someone knocks you for it,
you're not usually going to be happy about it. Likewise, when people say
"The Spice Girls are the best band in the world. That weird looking one
with the spike through her head can outshred Petrucci!", it tends to piss
people off.
Food for thought. I think this would all be solved if people just
respected each other more, and stopped making absolute statements about
who is better than who musically (not technically. That can be factually
determined). But as I said before... this has been attempted, and it
doesn't stick... we can keep trying...
> And now I'm gonna learn how to play the guitar. :)
Anyone looking for guitar lessons/tips/help, can e-mail me.
Actually, we should get a group of Ytse players together, because we have
a LOT of talented musicians that can give advice/help/lessons over e-mail.
- Raving Bullshit Egotist
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 16:12:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steve Chew <schew@tis.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT on radio...
Message-ID: <199705212012.QAA23452@clipper.hq.tis.com>
>>
>> Hey, I heard Dream Theater on the radio again (Pull Me Under).
>>I guess somebody at 98 rock in Baltimore must like DT. :-) It's a
>>dangerous thing to hear DT on the radio while driving your car... =20
>>
>
> Ey, I'm from Fairfax. They played DT on the radio!? Geez if anybody
>asks for a Dream Theater song, why on earth would they request Pull Me
>Under
>It's the most played Dream Theater song ever made. Woh, did I just say
>that Dream Theater's over played? Heh..no..don't think so...but
>jeez...ask for SOMETHING besides THAT song for crying out loud. :>
>
Actually, I don't think they played it on request. 98 Rock had
"Pull me Under" on its playlist when it first came out, and so I guess it
occasionally still gets played.
Steve
-- Any Babylon 5 fans out there? I'm selling some B5 trading cards and pre-selling the new B5: Special Edition cards on my web page: http://www.clark.net/pub/iz/cards.html Steve Chew -- invictus@interzone.com------------------------------
Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 16:21:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeremy C. Hallum" <jhallum@bu-ast.bu.edu> To: "Distributor of fine NDTC. Ytsejam Inc" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: stimulating Depressants and the ytseboslunch. Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970521161108.21933A-100000@bu-ast.bu.edu>
> ------------------------------ >=20 > From: Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com> > Subject: HELP !! >=20 > Shit, I dont know what is going on. =20 > I just drank a Mountain Dew and I think my nuts are schrinking. =20
=09I think somebody slipped something into your MD. Any other=20 hallucinogenic effects? Me, I like Southern Comfort with my MD. Just=20 what the doctor ordered, syrup and caffeine, and syrup and alcohol all=20 mixed into one. mmmmmmm. When you drink one of these, you don't know=20 whether to get hyper, or chill out. It's really cool. :)
> ------------------------------ >=20 > From: ladyheather@juno.com > Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2573 >=20 > what am I...chopped liver :=FE > -Lady Dragon
=09Doh!! *WHAPP!*
> ------------------------------ >=20 > From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> > Subject: Ytseboslunch >=20 > >Hmmm.... I smell a ytseboslunch sometime in this period...=20 > >Skadz? Jon? Wacky? Binky? Whatddya think? Anybody still in town=20 > >except for me and Jon? Any bands in town that weekend? >=20 > Hmmm..... >=20 > I'm in the vicinity, and my birthday is 6/2, so I have *another* excuse t= o > get randomly trashed. :)
=09The more the merrier, I always say. Now we just have to get=20 something together. More when we figure things out.
=09=09=09=09=09-jeremy
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 22:29:08 +0200 From: "Simon Mitternacht" <rel96dim@student2.lu.se> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: MH Message-ID: <9705212027.AA13954@nomina.lu.se>
> I read a few jams back about some chap (or chapess) not liking > "Innocence Faded (Ahhhh)" what about the cool solo at the end > (following the stabs) it's got to be worth a listen just for that!
Probably one the absolutely best solos of all time
> Finally - if any of you like the heavier side of life - check out > the new Machine Head CD - I think it's excellent - the drummer is a > bit good!
I saw 'em live in Malmv, Sweden a few weeks ago. SOOOOOOOOOOO heavy. Also very tight. I couldn't believe my ears. At the end of "A Thousand Lies" they played in what seemed like 20-30 bpm!!! it's really slow on the album but this was _slow_.
Btw, Napalm Death also played there and I saw this guy in the audience with a DT t-shirt but didn't bother saying hello to him. Know who it was? The singer in Napalm Death... :) I'm glad I didn't start a conversation with him in swedish.
>it wasn't bad humor, it was dark humor; black humor;
Bad Metal ;)
A question related to this Metal-thread. What does "Roots" count as? (the album that is) It's a bit death metal, but it's also much more. It's heavier than death metal and it hasn't got any satanic lyrics that I know of. (I have a boot version that I bought really cheap on a holiday in Bulgaria.)
The five best metal vocalists editet:
(my VERY HUMBLE opinion again, of course)
JLB (no comment) Ian Guillan ("child in time" - man) Phil Anselmo (This man has feelings, putting Jaymz here was a mistake) Chris Cornell (if this counts as metal, i would say "bad motorfinger" does) Sammy Hagar (believe it or not)
Song of the day: "Cemetery Gates" - Pantera
Simon Mitternacht
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/1233/
May the force be with you...
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 16:40:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Eleuthera Lewis <lewis@NU.cs.fsu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: newbies and veterans - proposition for the list Message-ID: <199705212040.QAA08844@xi.cs.fsu.edu>
I think this is a great idea. I'm a veteran also, and I can remember reading the jam and actually finding out something about DT I didn't know before. Now I read the Jam to see whos popular and whos not in the music world. Just my thoughts on the idea.
Prong Bastard pbastard@null.net http://vangaurd.base.org http://www.cs.fsu.edu/~lewis
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 16:40:44 -0400 From: andrew.t.forcier@prudential.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2574 Message-ID: <199705212040.AA01062@gateway2.prudential.com>
Hello, Some advice from Chris: >Oh, and to people who seem to be buying all sorts of bootlegs from this >Mike Bahr guy . . . don't waste your money. If he can't supply what he >boasts that he'll get, don't bother. Nothing's worth it, if you have >to wait six damn months for a stupid CD.
He's not boasting about what he'll GET. He's boasting about what he's CREATING. The creative process is a long one so cut Mike some slack, he does us all a great service. And most of all, unlike many boot dealers, he's reliable because he's a FAN. Kai wrote: >newbies and veterans - proposition for the list
It's not the questions I mind (though I know I get testy), its that people just jump on and blurt what's on their minds instead of taking the time to read through for a week and find things out. I know people say that there is little DT content on here, but if all you're looking for is news and facts, that's what websites and FAQs are for. It doesn't hurt the list, but I imagine those messages get annoying to those in ack mode. Simon wrote: >Points 2 and 3 are just rumors, nothin confirmed.
Actually Zakk signed a contract when Slash was still in the band, but who knows what came of that.
>I just drank a Mountain Dew and I think my nuts are schrinking.
Hey you know that wasn't really acid. I just tore a corner off a piece of notebook paper... :)
>i have this rare medical condition which requires me to call someone a >dumbass at least once daily.
My condition forces me to BE a dumbass at least twice daily. Chris again: >Actually, hmm, are any of yall managing the band? Are any of yall in >the band itself? They could release Metropolis II on their LP, or they >could make an EP later. We really don't know. We can't believe >everything we see on a web page....
You should believe what you see on OFFICIAL web pages. I'm not going to presume to ask how long you've been on the list Chris, but within the last two months we've had tentative song lists for the album from Portnoy, and John and Derek saying (at clinics) that Metropolis II would not be on the album. But if you skipped over that, it's understandable. The EP thing was not part of the original statement, and is a viable possibility, but it relates little to the question that prompted my bitterness. :) And yes, I am in the band. But if everyone knew I was really KJLB, they might stop with all those good jokes... :P
Getting sore feet from hopping from PC to PC, Andrew Forcier a.k.a. Buck Stodgers
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 13:43:57 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: newbies and veterans - proposition for the list Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970521133716.22020B-100000@general3.asu.edu>
Hi!, I'm new to this list, and I love Dream Theater, please email me! Hi! I heard this was a mailing list for Dream Theater fans? How do I subscribe? Is this like, the Fates Warning list? I'M SICK OF YOUR FUCKING BULLSHIT! STOP SENDING ME EMAIL!!! Unsubsribe me from the list. Unsubscribe me. Me too. Dream Theater sucks, especially the singer. He sings too good. You're not allowed to have 5 prodigies in one band!
In a sentence or two, I disagree. Let's keep the faq, and continue to bitch about the morons who can't read a single email explaining the proper Ytse-etiquitte.
Illiterate people shouldn't use email.
~Eckie
P.S. If you're somehow offended by this post, FUCK off!
P.P.S. I used the word fuck again. :)
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 14:46:55 -0600 From: BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YTSEJAM digest 2574 -Reply Message-ID: <s38312fb.075@IOMEGA.COM>
Sorry guys, My last post was not for the jam but I hit the send button too soon anyway. Ignore it, It won't make much sense anyway.
Wilmo
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 14:44:57 -0600 From: BILL HUSTON <HUSTON@IOMEGA.COM> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YTSEJAM digest 2574 -Reply Message-ID: <s383128a.070@IOMEGA.COM>
Hey Mike, >>>>>>> Anyway I have the re-sends for Dave Hatlee and James Mohr already taken care of, among others. I have to re-send about 2-3% of all parcels. The monetary loss is only an annoyance because postal claims reimburses me for the loss several weeks down the road. >>>>>>>>>
I had no idea that postal losses were that high!!
I have a further update on my postal delemma. Ironically, the past two nights on the local news their big newsbreak has been how local drug addicts are stealing mail from boxes. It seems there are several 'gangs' that just drive around neighborhoods after the mailman has delivered (not Karl :>) and just take random handfuls. I never received the second checks that were mailed either. I had to have them direct deposited to get my money.
I'm hoping that my second PT will arrive as these assholes are still at large. Thanks for going through all the hassle of resending it. IF by chance the other one gets 'lost' I'll give you my business mailing address and have it come out here to work. Thanks, again and keep cranking out the CD's :>
Wilmo
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 20:53:11 +0000 From: Jon Parmet <jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: ELP Message-ID: <338360B7.58E@mailstorm.dot.gov>
> My father recently gave me "Works, Volume 2" by Emerson, Lake and Palmer. > And I love it. I don't know much about these guys, could somebody recommend > another record/s with them and perhaps give me some general info?
I'd start with Tarkus then Brain Salad Surgery. The beginning of Tarkus is truly some classic progressive music.
> if i don't, i start > having seizures and run around screaming obscenities at light fixtures and > generally cause quite a scare at the office. it's not a pretty sight.
how many obscenities does it take to change a light bulb?
JP -- *------------*------------------------*--------------* | Jon Parmet | jonp@mailstorm.dot.gov | 617-494-2851 | *------------*------------------------*--------------*
I believe that what I'm feeling Changes how the world appears - Rush
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 17:03:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Albert Balkiewicz <balkiewi@UMDNJ.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: MH Message-ID: <199705212103.RAA18394@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU>
> > > I read a few jams back about some chap (or chapess) not liking > > "Innocence Faded (Ahhhh)" what about the cool solo at the end > > (following the stabs) it's got to be worth a listen just for that! > > Probably one the absolutely best solos of all time >
Is it me, or does the outro for Innocence Faded sound *very* Malmsteen-ish (or is it "Yngwie-ish"?)......that was the first thing that popped into my head when I heard it......
> > The five best metal vocalists editet: > > (my VERY HUMBLE opinion again, of course) > > JLB (no comment) > Ian Guillan ("child in time" - man) > Phil Anselmo (This man has feelings, putting Jaymz here was a mistake) > Chris Cornell (if this counts as metal, i would say "bad motorfinger" does) > Sammy Hagar (believe it or not) >
KJLB is cool don't know Ian Guillan, so I'll put in Gary Cherone Phil Anselmo is insane, definite feeling.....kinda iffy on the "best" tag.... Chris Cornell's voice annoys me for some reason...my replacement here would be Tate..... and last but not least, ma man....BACH!!!!! dammit, how can you leave this guy out.........you people suck, you guys have no taste in music whatsoever, losers.........
*deep breath* sorry, got a bit carried away......
Anyway......gotta get back to work........
later,
Al
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 16:12:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2574 Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.970521155642.21489B-100000@enteract.com>
> My father recently gave me "Works, Volume 2" by Emerson, Lake and Palmer. > And I love it. I don't know much about these guys, could somebody recommend > another record/s with them and perhaps give me some general info?
Brain Salad Surgery and Tarkus. Emerson is the influence on people like Moore and Sherinian. He roolz. It's hard to classify the music. Just listen with an open mind, and hopefully you will enjoy. Fear Keith Emerson.
> Quick question for all ya' guitar ppls. Anyone know what a Green Vai > Gem with his signature and Zappas sig on it woud go for. A friend of > mine has it and I'd like to make him an offer on it. It's absolutely mint. > Played 1 time and then stored away.
Mint condition Green Jems with signature (most are signed by Vai) and certificate usually sell for $1000 - 2000. I know people who have sold them for $1200 and $1600. If the Zappa sig can be verified, that could be worth some H U G E dough.
> boasts that he'll get, don't bother. Nothing's worth it, if you have to > wait six damn months for a stupid CD.
Heheh sometimes it's a requirement. Some of these sell out before they're made. I sent my check after the first announcement of PT, and I still haven't seen my disc though. I have to believe there's a better method for the shipping. Could there be THAT many people that paid before I did? Ah... but I shall not bitch. > >Oh, my bad. I guess this is only your first day on the list, otherwise > >you'd know what the answer to this was. > > Actually, hmm, are any of yall managing the band? Are any of yall in the > band itself? They could release Metropolis II on their LP, or they could > make an EP later. We really don't know. We can't believe everything we > see on a web page....
We trust in what the band itself tells people that we trust (i.e. Chris Merlo, etc...) That's as good as you're gonna get though.
> I must emphasize that those with extremely late CDs are the > exception and not the norm... it's just like a car dealership... every day > they hear from a hundred people whose cars broke down, but there are > thousands on the road that they don't hear from because the car is working > just fine.
Ewwwww... bad move. Let's all try really hard not to picture Bahr in a leisure suit selling used cars now. > orders. Remember, Marcel Berkhout's Carpe Diem CD took almost a year to > ship, and the Van Halen UNCD took well over a year to ship, and I've > never even come close to taking that long.
It's just that we've come to expect more expedient service from you. Some of us Have been waiting for 6 months for cds. It's not about trust... we know you're not ripping us off.
- Chris
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 17:12:20 -0400 From: Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Labels...Rap... Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970521171218.0069d200@mindspring.com>
>The only label that works is jazz because its so easily definable (but also has >subdivisions up the wahzoo).
I dunno about that. Rap is pretty easily definable. Just listen for people with (seemingly) the IQ of a monkey speaking (not singing) in dirty nursery rhymes. Generally try to make themselves look tough even tho' most of them are under 150 lbs. 98% have no instrumentation and 99.999% have no talent. Disdain and lack of respect for women is rampant with words such as "bitch" and "ho" appearing frequently. Also defined by boring, repetitive sequencing and really obnoxious bass that affecionados of the genre enjoy blasting at high volumes out of their car (usually a real beater) windows to annoy passersby. Frequently samples are ripped from other artists and played off as the rap "artist's" own. Speaking of rap "artists," for some reason none of them use their real names, and, depending on which coast of the United States one is based on, one or more secret handshakes are used. Childish fights b/t the two coasts happen often. One hit "wonders" are very common. The genre is also occasionaly termed "hip-hop," "dance music," and "complete shit."
All of this IMO. :) </rant>
Sorry 'bout that. Though I believe everything above, it's only coming out because I just realized I lost my favorite Zippo and am quite pissed about it. :) It's those simple little things that really get me sometimes. Hehe...
Adam http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone -- Tapelist/Setlists
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Date: Wed, 21 May 1997 16:11:35 -0500 From: Chip Alexander <tca.sdi@ix.netcom.com> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: texas jammers Message-ID: <33836507.7D07@ix.netcom.com>
Hey there-
Any of you Texas jammers interested in having out own little YTSECON? Maybe in Austin? Write me at chips@eden.com and we'll see if there is enough of a response to warrant getting something together.
Chip
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