YTSEJAM Digest 3304
Today's Topics:
1) Powermad '97
by "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com>
2) Re: Mitchell Foy review
by Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
3) Maiden on ET
by Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
4) Obscure prog metal reference in Disney
by Einstein H Zappa <afn39111@afn.org>
5) TSO, Preaching to the Choir
by Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
6) Man, am I stuffed.
by RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU
7) Dear Mr. Foy!
by Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
8) Laser's Edge, moronic FII review
by "Timothy P. Shough" <hounddog@nji.com>
9) New MTV hard rock/metal channel
by "Brian Anderson" <lrng2lve@frontiernet.net>
10) New MTV hard rock/metal channel
by "Brian Anderson" <lrng2lve@frontiernet.net>
11) Re: BIG question
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
12) Re: Maiden on MTV
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
13) Re: BIG question
by bketelsen@earthlink.net
14) UNCLASSIFIED:-ENOUGH !
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
15) Re: TSO
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
16) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Fan Club info.
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
17) Bad DT review, my take : )
by Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 19:00:16 -0500
From: "Jason Birzer" <Longshot@pressroom.com>
To: "The Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Powermad '97
Message-ID: <199712010021.QAA21931@odin.ax.com>
Like Madden, I went to the first two days of Powermad. The crowd was a
little thin on both days, but considering that the organizers didn't really
promote the event, I wasn't suprised. The first day was pretty much a wash
for me. Division was the only band worth seeing. Mercury Rising was OK,
but not worth waiting until 1:00 to see them. The lead singer wins the
award for "best Ray Alder lookalike", though. :^)
Saturday was much better. I arrived at 5:00 and found out I didn't miss
much. I arrived in the middle of Soundscape's set. They sounded decent
enough, but I need to listen to their cd to know for sure. One of the band
members came up to me later and asked me where I got the "Yes" T-Shirt. I
told him I got it on the current tour. He then procedes to get the lead
singer to see it. He tells me that I aught to get their CD. I show him I
already have it. He then sees that I also have Angra's "Holy Land" in my
hand as well and tells me "That CD kicks ass". (The most common comment I
got all night.) Soundscape also get's my vote for coolest album cover of
the show.
Opposite Earth came on next, out of order since they were supposed to start
the show. I was told the late start was because of missing cymbols and
they had to purchase new ones. They were a decent progressive band. I
decided not to pick up their CD.
Next came on The Quiet Room. These were the only guys who set up their own
drum kit. (everyone else was using the house kit.) They definitly were
the best band of the night. I have their CD as well.
Madden left at this point and I waited around until Leviathan (who kept
commenting on the fact that they had changed labels.) They were pretty
cool. The rest of the bands that evening were thrash bands, so I left.
The best part were the CD vendors there. They were offering good deals on
everything. If there was something you've been looking for, chances are
someone had it. I give a big thumbs up to Lazer's Edge for having the most
variety with the best prices. I got Angra's Holy Land for $16! :^)
There were a few jammers there. Pat Daughtery came the first night.
Madden was there. Mike Blevins was, of course, there. I also met another
guy wearing the O:M leather jacket.
Best band that canceled: Ice Age. These guys are the only one off the free
CD that I would have bought just from hearing their one song. It was
awsome! I later asked the dealers about them. They told me that their
guitarist car broke down and he couldn't make it. They passed out a demo
tape to one of the dealers. They don't have a CD as far as they know. If
anyone knows anything about this band, let me know.
Overall, it wasn't a bad show, but they need to get over the glitches and
the canceled bands. Also, it seemed like the thrash bands got more time
than the progressive bands. Maybe that is just me and my musical tastes
showing through.
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Jason Birzer "One likes to believe in the freedom of music
"The Longshot" but glittering prizes and endless compromises
shatter the illusion of integrity."
longshot@pressroom.com Rush - The Spirit Of Radio
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 19:35:25 -0500
From: Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Mitchell Foy review
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19971130193525.007e6100@mindspring.com>
>Adam, I was just trying to speak to his level. My mail was a decent
>flame at an ignorant moron. If his review was half intelligent, then I
>might have dropped to his level. He got what he deserved.
>Loosen up. ;)
It didn't bother me at all. I was just trying to say that if someone
actually wants people to pay attention to him, trying not to throw out
flames like that is a great idea. If I were to receive a email like that
I'd discard it and chuckle at the immaturity of the author. Flames, IMO,
are only valid (sorta) when one is flamed first but regardless, and this is
also IMO, they're lame 100% of the time. This guy didn't flame anyone,
he's just very uninformed about the topic he's trying to cover, as we all
know... :) As for him "getting what he deserved," I really doubt he got
anything more out of some of the replies than a good laugh and a
confirmation that his opinion was correct. (Yikes) Hehe... Take care...
Adam
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Date: Mon, 01 Dec 1997 10:42:37 +1000
From: Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Maiden on ET
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971201104237.006db5a0@powerup.com.au>
>Man, I was just watching some of the MTV Sports and Music Festival
>(hey, I dig some of the street and ramp bike riding :), when I
>noticed that they were playing Maiden's "Run to the Hills" as
>background music for part of it. They actually played most of the
>song, too :).
I was watching Entertainment Tonight a couple of years ago and they had the
beginning of "Invaders" as the opening music. Very cool :)
This was back when they sometimes had Metallica's "Enter Sandman" and the
like as opening music. Pity they had to stop...
Spiff
--- Nigel Bridgeman (nigelb@powerup.com.au) The Movie Pages - a movie page: http://www.powerup.com.au/~nigelb/movies------------------------------
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 19:44:29 -0500 (EST) From: Einstein H Zappa <afn39111@afn.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Obscure prog metal reference in Disney Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.971130193238.73131A-100000@freenet2.afn.org>
Let me state for the record that Disney is truly evil, and strong in the running for Antichrist, along with Microsoft and the Church of Scientology (TM).
Yet I found myself watching parts of the Herbie movie, and at one part one of the characters wore a shirt with the T-Ride logo (very faded). T-Ride were a band which fit somewhere between cheesy glam-metal and keyboard rock, with lots of vocal harmonies. Very bizarre and obscure, and so a treat to see on national television.
There has only been one thing in my life worth living for, So it would take a true genius to fuck it up. Call me Einstein Hawkings Tolkien Heraclitus Darwin PKD Zappa. (http://www.afn.org/~afn39111)
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 18:44:19 -0600 (CST) From: Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com> To: Just Words <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: TSO, Preaching to the Choir Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.971130183832.21443A-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
Did anyone else notice that last week's Target ad contained TSO - Christmas Eve & Other Stories? Nationally-advertised prog music... cool.
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About this reviewer... WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT HIM HERE? This is the Ytsejam, folks... we know DT is the best thing since electricity. Tell him *without* telling us if you think he's a fool. You're just preaching to the choir here.
--Jay "pissy mood brought to you by the end of vacation" Omega --NP: TSO - Xmas Eve...
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 19:45:16 -0500 (EST) From: RASI2290@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Man, am I stuffed. Message-ID: <01IQMS04JM1E0006X1@SPLAVA.CC.PLATTSBURGH.EDU>
Hey guys, just got back from the break.
I wonder who's in charge of deciding what albums get put in the listening stations at Tower? Man, I want that job! I was in the one by my house and the one on Broadway and something, midtown nyc, and obvioulsy it's a totally different setup and everything.
The one by my house had FII on one station, *and* Big Wreck on one! I didn't really get a good listen when I saw them, and come on, I was just waiting for *my* band to play, but this time I could listen fairly and I have to say it's a pretty sharp album. it's as good as any of the decent rock bands in the top 40.
I also saw the jap import FII but I just can't shell out 30 bucks for two extra songs and a japanese insert. I have them on mp3 anyay. I can wait.
buh-bye now, josh rasi2290@splava.cc.plattsburgh.edu
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 16:49:02 -0800 From: Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Dear Mr. Foy! Message-ID: <3482097E.4451@pacbell.net>
Dear Mr. Foy!
I am a staunch defender of the First Amendment.....but I am moved and compelled to say this:
Everybody has the right to their own opinion. And when I want yours.....I'll give it to you! -- Hearts away.......
Coldfire coldfire@pacbell.net ICQ: 4656934
"And all this could be just a dream so it seems, I was never much good at good-bye."
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 19:52:31 -0800 From: "Timothy P. Shough" <hounddog@nji.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Laser's Edge, moronic FII review Message-ID: <3482347F.1A35@nji.com>
Greetings, Ytsejammers: > Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 14:21:11 -0800 (PST) > From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com> > To: ytsejam@ax.com > Subject: Bands we all know and love in the LE catalog > Message-ID: <199711302221.AA25602@crl.crl.com> > > The following is a very partial and incomplete list of bands oft > mentioned on the Jam who appear in the Fall catalog from The Laser's > Edge. The web page is at www.jersey.net/~lasercd (Ken Golden is the > quite-knowledgeable proprietor.)
I just got the catalog and am impressed to say the least. What I found most striking is how many bands were influenced by DT. There are quite a few prog-metal groups (particularly from Colorado and Italy!) which are listed as being quite similar to DT; examples include Arkhe, Empty Tremor, Divine Regale and Black Jester. If anyone has any opinions of these bands (Mr. Mitchell Soy need not respond), I'd like to hear them.
Regarding the moronic Mr. Soy, perhaps the best approach is to ignore him. Flaming will not cause him to reevaluate his ridiculous agenda, nor will it cause him to view listeners of prog-metal as anything other than crass and infantile whiners. I doubt that a reasoned intellectual argument would help, either. In my experience, the cognitively and musically challenged are best left to wallow in their own feces. They apparently prefer it that way.
Happy X-Mas shopping.
Tim
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 19:47:33 +0000 From: "Brian Anderson" <lrng2lve@frontiernet.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New MTV hard rock/metal channel Message-ID: <199712010051.TAA67730@node21.cwnet.frontiernet.net>
Hello all,
Hope all the U.S. Jammers had a happy Thanksgiving. Anyway, I read in our local paper the other day that our favorite MTV will be offering a few new channels soon. I read that they will be offering a hard rock/metal channel, along with a spanish/latino channel and maybe a rap channel . . . I can't remember. It would cost an added $10 on your local cable bill. But it all depends if your cable company offers the channels. They mentioned in the article that the cable company around here (Time Warner) doesn't have any plans of carrying the channels. I think MTV is finally listening to the complaints and requests . . . either that or they're just trying to make some more money (more likely). That's all for now.
-Brian Anderson
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 19:47:26 +0000 From: "Brian Anderson" <lrng2lve@frontiernet.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New MTV hard rock/metal channel Message-ID: <199712010050.TAA28506@node21.cwnet.frontiernet.net>
Hello all,
Hope all the U.S. Jammers had a happy Thanksgiving. Anyway, I read in our local paper the other day that our favorite MTV will be offering a few new channels soon. I read that they will be offering a hard rock/metal channel, along with a spanish/latino channel and maybe a rap channel . . . I can't remember. It would cost an added $10 on your local cable bill. But it all depends if your cable company offers the channels. They mentioned in the article that the cable company around here (Time Warner) doesn't have any plans of carrying the channels. I think MTV is finally listening to the complaints and requests . . . either that or they're just trying to make some more money (more likely). That's all for now.
-Brian Anderson
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 23:41:09 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: BIG question Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971130233948.19169B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sun, 30 Nov 1997 bketelsen@earthlink.net wrote:
> Is there any way to "Record" the Real Audio concert this afternoon. It > would be pretty cool to have a live concert on demand on the computer.
On tape, very easy.
Just take the output of your sound card to the AUX input of your stereo/receiver and then record what you want...
BTW, *which* concert? Dream Theater??? WHERE???
[]s very curious, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 23:49:14 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Maiden on MTV Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971130234405.19169C-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sun, 30 Nov 1997, Dale R. Newberry wrote:
> Man, I was just watching some of the MTV Sports and Music Festival > (hey, I dig some of the street and ramp bike riding :), when I > noticed that they were playing Maiden's "Run to the Hills" as > background music for part of it. They actually played most of the > song, too :).
Well, it is very interesting: yesterday I was watching MTV Brazil and they played some real cool thing: Through the Never, by "that" band. :-)
Also, the other day, when I was watching some boxing ads, I almost felt from my chair when I realised the song that was being played: Master of Puppets. When I told my father that the amount of heavy metal he heard when he was watching TV was incommensurable, he thought I were on crack... :-)
> Dale R. Newberry > "Do not give me any of that Zen and some art of > motorcycle maintenance stuff. Just ride your bike."
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 18:54:30 -0700 From: bketelsen@earthlink.net To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: BIG question Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971130185430.0091b320@mail.earthlink.net>
I got it. 1.5 90 minute tapes. Only a few congestion spots where the sound dies over the net!
BrianK
PS HiYa to all the 'Jammers chatting online there!
At 05:52 PM 11/30/97 -0800, you wrote: > >On Sun, 30 Nov 1997 bketelsen@earthlink.net wrote: > >> Is there any way to "Record" the Real Audio concert this afternoon. It >> would be pretty cool to have a live concert on demand on the computer. > > On tape, very easy. > > Just take the output of your sound card to the AUX input of your >stereo/receiver and then record what you want... > > BTW, *which* concert? Dream Theater??? WHERE??? > > > []s very curious, Roger... > >-- >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito > Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" > Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html > "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" > James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > >
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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:06:03 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-ENOUGH ! Message-ID: <4A256560.0010535C.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
>About this reviewer... WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT HIM HERE? >This is the Ytsejam, folks... we know DT is the best thing >since electricity. Tell him *without* telling us if you think >he's a fool. You're just preaching to the choir here.
EXACTLY As I doubt that Foy is on this list why do guys insist on bashing him on this list, he won't see it, we all know the guy is a dick, a better idea would be to direct your anger/comments direct to him and not to the jam ?
Let's give him the coverage on this list that he deserves, NONE !
graham
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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 00:08:03 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: TSO Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971130235633.19169D-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sun, 30 Nov 1997, Jay Omega wrote:
> Did anyone else notice that last week's Target ad contained > TSO - Christmas Eve & Other Stories? Nationally-advertised > prog music... cool.
Man, I have no words to describe this fantastic CD. I think that it is one of the best things that I have ever heard. It's up there with I&W, FII, AJFA (yes, "that" band) and Opeth's albums. Definitely on my top 6. Thanks, Matt, sending for such a great CD (it's also the only CD that I have that both my mom and dad like :-) )!
*BUT* is this prog *metal*? I'm not even sure if I'd call it prog, let alone metal... It has some rock-n-roll passages, some fusion passages, but I wouldn't call it metal (well, when I hear the word metal, I immediately think of MoP).
BTW, do get this great CD if haven't yet. You won't be disappointed.
BTW2, how many classical music excerpts can you identify in this CD? I can identify 3 movements of Tchaikovsky's "The Nutcracker" suite, but I think that there are other passages that I'm not able to recognize. Hummm... Just wondering.
Also, I've noticed that some of these songs aren't common here in Brazil (maybe they are folk/popular songs from the US), but what is the name of the 8th song? I have heard it before I heard this CD and don't believe the name of this song is "Sarajevo 12/24" as it is listed in the tracklist.
If you could tell me more about your folklore, I'd be very grateful. Thanks.
Just waiting for my Cynic CD to arrive :-), Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Mon, 1 Dec 1997 13:21:51 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Fan Club info. Message-ID: <4A256560.0011A691.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
>Re. all the questions / suggestions / complaints etc to do with the >Fan Club and Xmas cd, I would point out that at the official DT >site:
>http://www.rsabbs.com/dt/fanzine/
>There is a link to e-mail the president with questions >For those of you with no web access , or are just lazy as >fuck, the address it produces is:
No this is not Neil's addy anymore, hasn't been for a while now. I am sure 'el presidenti' would not appreciate having his email published on this list at this time of the year, when he is busy preparing to mail out the next fanzine/xmas CD. I believe that the next fanzine/cd will be mailed out by mid December.
If anyone needs to know Neil's email addy drop me a note.
gra
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Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 21:36:13 -0500 From: Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bad DT review, my take : ) Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971130213613.007c7430@cyberport.cyberportal.net>
I've got it all figured out!! This guy shopped at Record Town and paid $18.00 for the CD, THEN he went home and played the album to his girlfriend.. she was too intrigued by the complexity and the wonderful tone of the album that she couldn't have sex with him. So, he did the review and was all pissed off about it. Analogy 2: The guy was too stupid to do the review himself, so he asked a high school kid to do his homework. It turns out that the kid he asked to do the interview only listens to Rancid and Green Day.. and couldn't comprehend this foreign language we call music. Analogy 3: The guy has a chain connecting his belt loop to his wallet.
That's it : ) Later, J
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