YTSEJAM Digest 3300
Today's Topics:
1) Gorgy Park
by Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
2) Help! I need help!
by Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
3) Re: ***
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
4) Eve and Tabs for keyboard
by Eric Herrmann <eric.herrmann@rocketmail.com>
5) Cygnus X-I
by JE78674@ltu.edu
6) my webpage
by Gkras19@aol.com
7) London Gig
by Jon Veal <jon@veal.demon.co.uk>
8) FII Review (from Guitar FTPM)
by guillermo moloche <gmoloche@midway.uchicago.edu>
9) Re: Eve and Tabs for keyboard
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
10) Setlist wanted...
by Symbolic@worldaccess.nl (Ewald Janssen)
11) Re: Jamming...
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
12) got my 12/16 Atlanta tix :)
by "Brian P. Kelley" <bpkelley@mindspring.com>
13) John Mclaughlin; NDTC
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
14) Fw: SPOCK'S BEARD LIVE IN "THE NIGHTCLUB"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com>
15) Gorky Park
by Zack Gemmill <zack@lsil.com>
16) ATTN: KEITH ASPINALL
by MTeiper@aol.com
17) Dream Theater BAD review**A MUST SEE***
by VAIMAN <vaiman@mindspring.com>
18) Dream Theater BAD review**A MUST SEE***
by VAIMAN <vaiman@mindspring.com>
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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 01:15:53 -0500
From: Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Gorgy Park
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971129011553.007cb430@cyberport.cyberportal.net>
I'm a real big fan of 80's stuff! : )
Holy Shit! I thought I was the _only_ person who ever heard of these
guys! :)
I don't know what they're up to now, but I have the CD you spoke
of...80s glam / metal would be an appropriate description, for sure.
Can you say "hair"?
Nope, I've heard of em too. In fact I was too young to afford to buy it at
the time, but I loved the single.
"Bang-bang solat-vi-dah!" : )
I dug that, in fact, I still have an image of the video (was it filmed in
Red Square?)
That's awesome! Later, J
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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 01:24:13 -0500
From: Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Help! I need help!
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19971129012413.007c7210@cyberport.cyberportal.net>
Hello all,
I am doing a "seminar" as it's called in my social anthropology class, in
other words it's a project.
I need information on progressive music..roots, influences and
specifically bands that are progressive from the 70's, 80's and 90's. I
need this information by Sunday in order to compile a handout. I plan on
playing some DT, Fates, Rush, Yes, and Jethro Tull, but are there any other
"mainstream" bands that I can relate progressive to that I can play? Maybe
somebody can help me here. Please send me info via private e mail.
Thanks!!!!!! J
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 22:36:34 -0800 (PST)
From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: ***
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.971128223227.22183B-100000@otter.mbay.net>
On the topic of complexity, I think another thing is important to
consider. DT is not playing with a score or conductor, yet their
arangements and counterpoint are tight. No, it's not as complex as
sclassical music when talking about layers and such, though I think they
could do maybe a tiny bit more that way. I think that, when talking about
DT, complexity means actually aranging things for more than oe or two
instruments. Most rock is more song-based rather than
arangement-high-lighted, know what I mean? It forces the musicians to
listen to each one of their counterparts, not just the drumbs and/or bass.
Thoughts? Be well.
Matt B
"That is the truth. Not the hammer and sickle; not the stars and stripes;
not the cross; not the sun; not gold; not yin and yang, but the smile...
Because they died, we know we still live. Because a star explodes and a
thousand worlds like ours die, we know this world is. That is the smile,
that what might not be is." (John Fowles, The Magus)
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Date: Fri, 28 Nov 1997 23:19:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Eric Herrmann <eric.herrmann@rocketmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Eve and Tabs for keyboard
Message-ID: <19971129071955.2189.rocketmail@web4.rocketmail.com>
Hi all,
I've heard that Eve had some lyrics and then I found
it in a DT Homepage (can't remember which one). So
did the demo had some lyrics?
Can anyone tell me where I can find some tabs
(especially from IaW) for keyboards?
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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 03:53:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: JE78674@ltu.edu
To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
Subject: Cygnus X-I
Message-ID: <01IQKGJTU9KY8WYTUY@LTU.EDU>
Just wondering if anyone has been pulling this feat of RUSH obsessive
nature lately besides myself. I have FTK and Hemispheres lined up in
the CD changer and just have been playing both books of Cygnus over
and over again...as well as Xanadu... Damn, I don't think RUSH has
ever stunk as a band....although, I am more partial to 2112 to present
when it comes to listening preference. The 3 albums prior to 2112
are good, but too much like Led Zeppelin for my taste. Oh well, not like
they don't have many albums following the first 3 ;)
Rock on,
Jeff E.
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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 07:05:06 -0500 (EST)
From: Gkras19@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: my webpage
Message-ID: <971129070505_-52818708@mrin54.mail.aol.com>
HI all,
Just letting everybody know that i updated my DT webpage, so give
it a look at http://members.aol.com/gkras19/index.htm Thank you.
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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 13:32:15 +0000 (GMT)
From: Jon Veal <jon@veal.demon.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: London Gig
Message-ID: <199711291332.NAA00709@veal.demon.co.uk>
Hi,
well I have my tickets for the London date.
Not knowing London well could someone point me in the direction of
the Forum. Nearest underground station and the decent local pubs
would be useful.
Ta.
Jon.
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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 09:40:56 -0600 (CST)
From: guillermo moloche <gmoloche@midway.uchicago.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: FII Review (from Guitar FTPM)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.971129092529.25427A-100000@harper.uchicago.edu>
This is from the January 1998 issue of Guitar For The Practicing Musician:
Dream Theater - Falling into Infinity (EastWest)
Performance: A mix of glistening virtuosity, elaborate progisms, and
actual songs.
Hot Spots: "Just Let Me Breathe" "Hollow Years" "Lines in the Sand".
Bottom Line: A leaner but no less dazzling Dream Theater.
On the verge of becoming a cult band whose music is only fathomable by
prog rockers and Berklee graduates, the Long Island quintet Dream Theater
took a new approach for its fourth album. Rather than pandering to its
rabid cult of fans or becoming a victim of the band members' acrobatic
chops, Dream Theater abandoned its fragmented methods of recording in
favor of a one-song-at-a-time approach. The result is its best album, a
mix of astounding virtuosity and leaner songs and arrangements.
Fear not, DT diehards: Among the best of the album's 11 tracks is the
12-minute "Lines in the Sand," a driving epic built on rolling organ, John
Pettrucci's inspired guitar parts, and increasingly ecstatic vocal
trade-offs between Dream Theater's James La Brie and Doug Pinnick of
King's X. The eight-minute album-opening "New Millennium" tumbles through
half a dozen time changes and tonal variations, from its angular
synthesized opening to an almost funk groove at the bridge, and the
album-ending, three-part, 13-minute suite "Trial of Tears" incorporates
all the classic excesses of the best progressive rock.
It's the "shorter" tracks, though, that suggest Dream Theater has the
mettle to assuage the cult and impress the masses. The heavy-bass throb
and big chorus of "You Not Me" and the chunky "Burning My Soul" affix the
band's sound to the best of modern hard rock. But it's the simple acoustic
arrangement and appealing pop melody of "Hollow Years" that could gain the
band access to the radio charts the same way that "Silent Lucidity"
boosted Dream Theater contemporary Queensryche. -Buzz Morrison
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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 15:16:10 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Eve and Tabs for keyboard
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971129151229.30294A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Fri, 28 Nov 1997, Eric Herrmann wrote:
> I've heard that Eve had some lyrics and then I found
> it in a DT Homepage (can't remember which one). So
> did the demo had some lyrics?
No. The "lyrics" are samples from the special concert they did
once and that is recorded on the "The Dance of Eternity" (special because
it has the old version of "A Change of Seasons", "To Live Forever", "Eve"
with "lyrics" etc). The "lyrics" are taken from one of James's Joyce
texts, I think.
(I'm assuming that you are refering to the "How can a woman be a
tower of ivory or a house of gold?" lines).
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 18:11:54 GMT From: Symbolic@worldaccess.nl (Ewald Janssen) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Setlist wanted... Message-ID: <199711291811.SAA24057@tiga.worldaccess.nl>
Hello,
I haven't read much ytsemail lately (so some one may have posted it here), but I'm looking for the set list of the FII tour (or should I call it TII). So please will some one send it to me.
With kind regards, Ewald
("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.') Greetings, (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' Ewald Janssen _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' symbolic@worldaccess.nl ----(il),-''--(li),'--((!.-'-------------------------------------------------+
SDMPL (Six Disc Multi Play List): Slot 1. Dream Theater - Falling Into Infinity. Slot 2. Savatage - The Wake Of Magellan. Slot 3. Megadeth - Cryptic Writings. Slot 4. KISS - Burning Stockholm. Slot 5. HammerFall - Glory To The Brave. Slot 6. GammaRay - Somewhere Out In Space. -------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 12:41:10 -0600 (CST) From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Jamming... Message-ID: <199711291841.MAA21462@enteract.com>
> Well, Jamming doesn't have much of a place in my heart, unless I am > doing it myself, in private. Changing a song is one thing, maybe > changing a little part or blending it into another song. (like DT) but
Hmm... that must suck then. I prefer to see as much jamming as possible at a live show. As far as I'm concerned, the majority of solos sound cooler when they're composed in the studio, and then obliterated with improv live. Don't you enjoy seeing things like Bombay Vindaloo, and the end of TLF? I love seeing how these little jams eventually end up as songs, one or two albums down the road. You really get a much better handle for the kind of player someone is when he or she has to improv and jam in front of you. There are members of this list who could spend a couple months woodshedding, to later replace members of DT for a live performance if the band didn't expand, and just played things the way they are on the album.
--
Chris Ptacek at EnterAct, L.L.C -- (773) 248 8511 http://www.enteract.com (business) http://www.prognosis.com/madsman/ (my contribution to --------------------------------- the vast wealth of "To err is human... to suck out | underdeveloped one's brain with an orally | web sites) deployed flesh tube is not."-MS| **************** ---------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 14:50:23 -0500 From: "Brian P. Kelley" <bpkelley@mindspring.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: got my 12/16 Atlanta tix :) Message-ID: <199711291846.NAA24739@camel14.mindspring.com>
Forgive me for boasting on the Jam but... I GOT MY DT TIX FOR THE MASQUERADE IN ATLANTA!!!!!!! WOOOO HOOOOO!!!!! :o
Now on a lighter note... What is it with promoters that they can't spell "THEATER" correct? Do they always assume that it should end in "RE" like my ticket? Has anybody else had this problem on their tix?
Also, paid an outrageous $3.75 TicketBastard charge for an otherwise $16 ticket! Goes to show how much promoters give a shit about the bands -- JACK shit!!!
Can't wait for Cashman's Ytse-Gathering. I'm bringing h'oure'duerves :) Take the time, Brian
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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 15:32:03 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: John Mclaughlin; NDTC Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.971129153029.28448A-100000@otter.mbay.net>
Greetings friends, Can anyone tell me a good place to look for John Mclaughlin's Mediteranean and Europa concerti. I'm really really really interested in hearing what they sound like. Can anyone say they've heard them and tell me how they are? Be well. Matt B
"That is the truth. Not the hammer and sickle; not the stars and stripes; not the cross; not the sun; not gold; not yin and yang, but the smile... Because they died, we know we still live. Because a star explodes and a thousand worlds like ours die, we know this world is. That is the smile, that what might not be is." (John Fowles, The Magus)
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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 18:30:40 -0500 From: "Syrinx" <syrinx@mindspring.com> To: "A Ytse Besides Itself" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fw: SPOCK'S BEARD LIVE IN "THE NIGHTCLUB"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Message-ID: <01bcfd1e$cde03380$f8dbcdcf@w-ostrich-1>
>Hi Everyone, > >I just wanted to let you all know - or remind those of you who already know - >That there will be a live chat with the members of SPOCK'S BEARD in the >NIGHTCLUB >on Sunday night at 8:00pm EST. > >Neal Morse, Nick D'virgilio, and Dave Meros will be present to answer >questions and exchange thoughts about their music, their new album, and their >upcoming tours. > >If you have not been there before, simply click on your "keyword" button and >type in "nightclub". This will take you directly there.
Hope this works for you AOL'ers!
- mike.
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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 16:18:47 -0800 From: Zack Gemmill <zack@lsil.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Gorky Park Message-ID: <3480B0E7.5660F3FB@lsil.com>
> Heya, jammerz... > > > > > Hey, does anyone out there remember the band, "Gorky Park?" They were > a hard > > > rock / metal band from the former USSR. Jon Bon Jovi discovered them > and > > > brought them to the States. He and Richie Sambora produced the band's > > > self-titled 1989 debut, which had a big hit with, "Bang." The song > contained > > <snip> > > > > Holy Shit! I thought I was the _only_ person who ever heard of these > > guys! :) > > I don't know what they're up to now, but I have the CD you spoke > > of...80s glam / metal would be an appropriate description, for sure. > Well, well... > I am surprised that you guys know about them... > I wouldn't say that now they play heavy metall, rather glam, or > sometimes hard... And in 1996 they released an album called > 'Stare' where Allan Holdsworth plays some parts. Nothing extremely cool, > but Joe's solos are great...
Chalk up another who remembers these guys. I guess I was into thatmusic when they came out. I later found the CD when I switched to that format. They were actually pretty cool. Did a The Who cover, My Generation on that CD, as well.
Now, anyone heard of a band called "Siren" from a little before that time? I thought they were pretty good. An interesting style of rock, if some of it was a bit poppy.
Zach
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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 19:29:01 -0500 (EST) From: MTeiper@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: ATTN: KEITH ASPINALL Message-ID: <971129192901_1672562182@mrin38>
Hey Jammers -
Sorry to clutter the Jam with this, but if Keith Aspinall is reading this, please e-mail me. I lost your e-mail address, dude! I was wondering whether you had a chance yet to send out my Ivanhoe CD.
Thanks!!
Sorry again, Jammers... Matt T.
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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 19:39:13 -0500 From: VAIMAN <vaiman@mindspring.com> To: Ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dream Theater BAD review**A MUST SEE*** Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971130003913.006853f0@pop.mindspring.com>
Hey all, I live here in Atlanta GA and noticed a music review in a small Atlanta publication called "Poets, Artists & Madmen". In the Nov 21-Dec 4th review...here is what Mitchell Foy had to say on the Dream Theater "Falling Into Infinity" cd review:
**THE FOLLOWING DOES NOT REFLECT MY VIEWS**-todd s
"Any Positive press about Dream Theater ultimately focuses on the band's "dazzling virtuosity." For any band, this is usually a clear warning to stay far away. For Dream Theater, the further the better. "Falling Into Infinity" is full of pomposity that attempts to manipulate the listener with overblown dynamics and cheesy dramatics. any given song, one is reminded of slews of yesteryear's bands - none of which are any good. In the first song alone, Guns'n Roses, Asia and latter-day Rush are prominent. It is impossible to say just what Dream Theater themselves sound like without referring to the has-beens they rip off. After awhile the effect of listening becomes one big blur of horrible '80s sounds (overly boisterous guitar, wimpy synth, male falsetto vocals) that were long ago pushed deep into the subconscious with the hopes that they'd never return. Well, like the whole '80s hair-metal "movement," those painful memories are back, spurred by Dream Theater, who also mix pop-rock and prog rock into their cocky stew. Though D.T's metal tendencies lean mostly toward the wimpiest of the '80s metal bunch like Cinderella, Winger and Extreme, they attempt to show they have cajones on the single "Burning My Soul" but still fall flat despite the presence of a few (comparatively) beefy riffs. This is mainly due to overproduction that would render a Slayer song flaccid and bland lead singer, John Petrucci, who spends too much time in the high-end range. Any lyricist who is not in, say, high school knows to avoid cliches such as rhyming "pain" and "rain," but Petrucci manages to use it in a chorus, no less! When I was in the 10th grade my class was shown an anti-drug film about some guy who was administered lots of PCP in order to coerce him into killing someone. Perhaps they should update that film to include the music of Dream Theater, because I don't beelieve "Falling Into Infinity" can be experienced in its entirety without compelling the listener to throttle the nearest sibling or house pet."-Mitchell Foy
((end of letter)
Obviously THIS GUY Doesn't know what the hell he is talking about. He doesnt even know who the lead singer is. What a dumb ass. I bet he didn't even listen to the cd. If you would like to respond to him, you can contact MITCHELL FOY (contributing writer).
Poets, Artists & Madmen, Attn: Mitchell Foy 175 W. Wieuca Road NE, Suite B-1 , Atlanta, Georgia 30342
YOU CAN EMAIL Poets, Artist & Madmen at: madmen@atlanta.com
(**The above EMAIL address is NOT Mitchell Foys personal email. It is the papers email. I am sure you can write Mitchell Foy to his attention via email. **but is is NOT his personal email.
write those letters!
see ya
Todd s
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Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 20:19:51 -0500 From: VAIMAN <vaiman@mindspring.com> To: Ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dream Theater BAD review**A MUST SEE*** Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971130011951.006604f4@pop.mindspring.com>
Hey all, I live here in Atlanta GA and noticed a music review in a small Atlanta publication called "Poets, Artists & Madmen". In the Nov 21-Dec 4th review...here is what Mitchell Foy had to say on the Dream Theater "Falling Into Infinity" cd review:
**THE FOLLOWING DOES NOT REFLECT MY VIEWS**-todd s
"Any Positive press about Dream Theater ultimately focuses on the band's "dazzling virtuosity." For any band, this is usually a clear warning to stay far away. For Dream Theater, the further the better. "Falling Into Infinity" is full of pomposity that attempts to manipulate the listener with overblown dynamics and cheesy dramatics. any given song, one is reminded of slews of yesteryear's bands - none of which are any good. In the first song alone, Guns'n Roses, Asia and latter-day Rush are prominent. It is impossible to say just what Dream Theater themselves sound like without referring to the has-beens they rip off. After awhile the effect of listening becomes one big blur of horrible '80s sounds (overly boisterous guitar, wimpy synth, male falsetto vocals) that were long ago pushed deep into the subconscious with the hopes that they'd never return. Well, like the whole '80s hair-metal "movement," those painful memories are back, spurred by Dream Theater, who also mix pop-rock and prog rock into their cocky stew. Though D.T's metal tendencies lean mostly toward the wimpiest of the '80s metal bunch like Cinderella, Winger and Extreme, they attempt to show they have cajones on the single "Burning My Soul" but still fall flat despite the presence of a few (comparatively) beefy riffs. This is mainly due to overproduction that would render a Slayer song flaccid and bland lead singer, John Petrucci, who spends too much time in the high-end range. Any lyricist who is not in, say, high school knows to avoid cliches such as rhyming "pain" and "rain," but Petrucci manages to use it in a chorus, no less! When I was in the 10th grade my class was shown an anti-drug film about some guy who was administered lots of PCP in order to coerce him into killing someone. Perhaps they should update that film to include the music of Dream Theater, because I don't beelieve "Falling Into Infinity" can be experienced in its entirety without compelling the listener to throttle the nearest sibling or house pet."-Mitchell Foy
((end of letter)
Obviously THIS GUY Doesn't know what the hell he is talking about. He doesnt even know who the lead singer is. What a dumb ass. I bet he didn't even listen to the cd. If you would like to respond to him, you can contact MITCHELL FOY (contributing writer).
Poets, Artists & Madmen, Attn: Mitchell Foy 175 W. Wieuca Road NE, Suite B-1 , Atlanta, Georgia 30342
YOU CAN EMAIL Poets, Artist & Madmen at: madmen@atlanta.com
(**The above EMAIL address is NOT Mitchell Foys personal email. It is the papers email. I am sure you can write Mitchell Foy to his attention via email. **but is is NOT his personal email.
write those letters!
see ya
Todd s
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