YTSEJAM digest 3266

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Date: Thu Nov 20 1997 - 16:17:06 EST

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    Today's Topics:

      1) metallica
     by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
      2) Seattle show 11/15 review (long) Part 1
     by Ken McWatters <kmcwatters@yahoo.com>
      3) Seattle show 11/15 review (long) Part 2
     by Ken McWatters <kmcwatters@yahoo.com>
      4) To Live Forever
     by Glen Brooks <g_brooks@yahoo.com>
      5) drummers, inner strength
     by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
      6) re: Vixen
     by <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng"
      7) Treasure Land
     by "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@bostech.com>
      8) RE: Girls and prog...
     by "i don't wanna seem like randy pan the goat boy" <afn39111@afn.org>
      9) Re:Power of Omens / Female Singers?
     by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
     10) Re: "Opinions about FII" by Mr Ptacek
     by someone@prognosis.com
     11) DT at Toads Place
     by mscurfie@pop.ma.ultranet.com (Matthew Scurfield)
     12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3265
     by Jason Birzer <Longshot@pressroom.com>
     13) Pittsburgh show
     by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>

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    Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:01:00 -0500
    From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: metallica
    Message-ID: <199711201757.MAA29175@bertelsmanncis.com>

    Hey all,

    from paul d.:
    >Metallica are sacrificing integrity for professionalism...

    agreed.

    >Everyone wants to work less for more cash, even Metallica, and now they
    are
    >doing it.

    yup. (well, most everyone, anyways...)

    >It's not my right to say if this is good or bad...but I don't
    >listen to anything from "And Justice etc" onwards.

    WHAT?! you can't be serious, including justice in this. you may not
    *like* it, but that album has the most complicated songs of all their
    albums, and i'd say it required as much work (or more) than the previous
    three.

    concerning metallica, as unhappy as i am about their turn of career,
    nonetheless, they are a primary influence on dt. people have every
    right to bring them up 'round here, so long as posts about ryche, fates,
    and a slew of other bands pop up around here too. i for one appreciate
    the reviews and comments on reload--i was most disappointed with load
    (what else is new), and it helps to hear people's thoughts and ideas
    about the new album to decide if i should pick it up. and i'll trust dt
    fans over any other group any day. yeah, i could go to some metallica
    group, but how objective a picture am i really gonna get?

     --MATt

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    Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:33:37 -0800 (PST)
    From: Ken McWatters <kmcwatters@yahoo.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Seattle show 11/15 review (long) Part 1
    Message-ID: <19971120183337.20821.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com>

    Hi everyone,

      I've been busy and trying to get this message sent to the jam
    (hotmail still doesn't work), but hopefully this will work, if it's a
    little dated anyway.

    Okay dudes and dudettes,

      Here's a spoiler-resistant (no setlist) review of the 11/15 show in
    Seattle, WA. As you may be aware, Nicole and I flew up there from
    Houston to see the show and have a nice little mini-vacation.. and it
    turned out to be unusually clear and beautiful weather there! It was
    a great weekend. In fact, Nicole called into KISW 99.9 to request DT
    before the show that night, and the DJ came on and announced that the
    request was from someone who flew in from Houston to see the show.
    Nice promotion for the band if I say so.. and Nicole got to hear DT on
    the radio for the first time ever (UAGM). You know.. I told Nicole
    after the show that it's times like this that all the drudgery of
    working for a living really seems worth it. Every so often you have a
    special experience like this, and you know you're really alive and
    you're enjoying life's rewards.

      On to the review.. I'll just give general impressions of the show
    and talk about meeting the guys after the show. First off, this show
    was sold out (there were signs on the show poster outside saying so).
    People were waiting outside the door probably in vain to get in when
    we showed up (somewhat late... we only saw half of Big Wreck's set)
    and got in with the tickets we had purchased beforehand. Big Wreck
    was a decent band.. the most talented member had to be the singer/lead
    guitarist. He did a blues song by himself full of slide guitar
    soloing that was rather impressive. They are kind of an
    AOR/alternative crossover I guess, if you had to put a label on them.
    I even heard comments from people around me saying, "I'm getting their
    CD!" However, as others have mentioned, they didn't really belong at
    a DT show, aside from the fact that they could definitely play their
    instruments well (well, the drummer was rather minimalist in his
    playing, but was still okay).

    Well, in between sets, the very full club didn't clear out much, but
    we managed to move near some bar tables just above the floor level,
    which was good for Nicole so she could see. The preshow DT songs
    weren't very loud, and the only song I recognized was Where Are You
    Now. Sorry Jim Beavens, I don't remember the last song before they
    played Rooster that you liked. This song was cut off in the middle
    and then Rooster was played and, well, you know what happens next. :)

    Again, look for Nicole's post if you want a setlist. Derek came out
    first and did a bit of keyboard soloing, and really asserted himself
    to the crowd... he's now Mr. Stage Presence! I'd give him the Most
    Improved Award since the Awake tour (last time I saw them). Let's
    see.. Mike was Animal on the drums, never let up for a moment.. James
    sang very well, and seemed very professional for his in between song
    comments, Myung was very impressive on the bass (normal and fretless!)
    and the stick, and Petrucci was always dead-on in everything he played.

    Things I noticed. There were no samples played. Once or twice Mike
    spoke a part that was sampled on the studio album (e.g. "Step right
    up, folks"). The backup vocals from Mike and Petrucci (more often
    Mike though) were good, from what I could tell, but they weren't
    really up in the mix. As Trevor Hoit mentioned in his post, the
    bass/keyboard connection cut out a couple of times, but the band
    seemed to laugh it off and took it pretty well, and they also managed
    to keep playing through it all anyway. It was interesting hearing
    just Petrucci playing what was supposed to be the dual run with Derek
    in JLMB. But anyway, I actually only heard one musical mistake that
    you couldn't blame on equipment problems.. not bad for 2 hours of
    playing. Also, I put up my arm as I yelled "Please don't go!" during
    that part of ACOS, but I didn't notice anyone else doing so. I may
    have heard one or two voices from behind me though. And based on his
    post, I must have seen Jim holding up his ytsejam sweatshirt at the
    appropriate moment. I was about 10 rows of people behind him.

    Overall, it was quite a good concert. IMO it wasn't as intense as the
    Awake show I saw.. but that's a subjective opinion, I'll admit. We
    did encounter a few rude people there, but I attribute that to the
    club being very full and probably fraying on everyone's nerves.
    Nicole and I both didn't think the volume was too loud though; good
    thing since we packed our earplugs, but forgot to take them to the
    show. After the show I met Trevor from the 'jam and 3 or 4 other
    jammers... sorry I don't remember your names. Also, I hope y'all
    didn't mind that I didn't say much.. I'm somewhat of a shy person to
    talk to. Oh, and the funniest moment of the night came during the
    playback of the lounge version of UAGM. A guy not too far away said,
    "What the fuck is this?" I smiled and submitted, "Under a Glass
    Moon!" He said, "Well, I know *that*, but what the fuck is this??"
    :) It sounded like something you'd hear coming out of a mall
    piano/organ store.. but true to the original, including a more DT-like
    instrumental section. It also had a casual, normal octave vocal,
    which set the lounge atmosphere nicely.

    Part 2 to follow.
    ==
    Ken kmcwatters@hotmail.com - kmcwatters@yahoo.com
    http://www.angelfire.com/tx/kmcwatters

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    Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:39:56 -0800 (PST)
    From: Ken McWatters <kmcwatters@yahoo.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Seattle show 11/15 review (long) Part 2
    Message-ID: <19971120183956.23612.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com>

    As I was sidling toward the t-shirt booth after the show, I saw Derek
    just walking by through the medium sized crowd in the entrance hall,
    and hardly anyone seemed to recognize him. He didn't look at me as he
    passed, but I patted him on the shoulder and said, "Good job tonight,
    man." He didn't acknowledge me, because a blonde girl just behind me
    started talking to him and I think he was a little more interested in
    her. :) I don't think this was the waitress; he must've met her
    later. I saw the two of them coming out of the tour bus like Trevor
    and Jim have written in their reviews, but I missed the high-fives
    unfortunately. :) Interestingly, a little later another waitress
    came to the bus and asked a crew member if a blonde waitress was in
    the bus... apparently she was worried that Derek was molesting her or
    something, or else maybe her break was just over. :)

    After the show a decent sized group of people waited outside their
    tour bus (parked outside the front entrance). It was in the low 40s,
    but I wanted to show my ytse to any fans/jammers/band members who
    might recognize it, so I wore like 3 shirts with the ytsejam shirt on
    top. It wasn't bad at first, but by the time I had gotten stuff
    signed from most band members, I was pretty damn cold. Of course, it
    was worth it.

    Let's see... Mike and Petrucci got the most attention from autograph
    seekers, and Petrucci didn't stay out long... he was telling Mike that
    he needed some sleep and didn't want them to stay there very much
    longer. It turns out that they were getting ready for a
    day-and-a-half drive on the tour bus to Wisconsin. I got a pic of
    Mike with Nicole and heard him talking a little bit. He said in
    response to a question about Kevin Moore that "Kev came to see us at
    the show in L.A." He also said that he thinks the tour will be
    through Texas in January.

    The only member who I shook hands with was John Myung, as unlikely as
    that may seem. He stayed out for a good while, answering questions
    from anyone who asked. He seems to be a lot like me socially..
    doesn't say much, but readily speaks when spoken to. I asked him who
    the Del Fuvio Monks were, and he said they are Mike, Derek and John
    (Petrucci), or maybe the last one was James. He corrected himself,
    and I lost track of which the last one was. Regardless, this seems to
    affirm the theory put forth on the jam that the Del Fuvio Monks
    represent the backup singers on FII, and/or the people using talk
    boxes on Burning My Soul. I should've asked whether this applied to
    only BMS or the whole album.. sorry, my bad.

    As the crowd thinned and most members had returned to the tour bus,
    there was a last gathering of people near the doors to the club, where
    it turned out that James had appeared. By the time we realized it was
    him and had gotten down there, most people had left, but he still
    stayed to sign all our stuff, which I thought was very gracious of him
    (considering I had 5 CD booklets with me). In fact, every impression
    I got of James that night was that he's a class act. Also, I was
    getting ready to take a picture of him and Nicole, and one of the
    older crew members (he may have been tour manager; he seemed to be
    talking to the members a lot) offered to take the picture with me in
    it too. So I got into a picture with James.. quite cool! Oh, and my
    wife was in it too. :) But anyway, James seemed the most impressed
    that we had flown in from Houston to see them, and also said he
    thought that they would be in Texas in January. As the older man
    started calling for everyone to board the bus, James kind of patted me
    on the shoulder, said something like thanks for coming, and left. A
    cool DT moment to be sure.

    Let's see. Last few details. Nicole and I talked a lot with a guy
    named Trey who isn't on the jam, but he has AOL and might check out
    this group and the web pages. Funny that he's originally from Texas
    and went to my college, and we ran into each other in Seattle. But
    anyway, he was really talkative, and wouldn't stop telling the band
    members, "dude, these guys flew in from Houston to see you!" :) What
    else... I never mentioned to the band members that I was a ytsejammer,
    and I dunno if they recognized the shirt or not. Also, James said at
    the end of the show that they'd be "back in '98."

    I think that's about all there is worth telling about this cool show.
    Email privately if you have any other questions about anything I may
    have left out. A few last details: Zach asked about the instrumental
    part played in the middle of Metropolis... I think it was Extreme's
    "Cupid's Dead." Also if you're interested, Nicole has posted (or will
    post soon) many of the pictures from this weekend on her website at
    http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Set/5039/fenix.html .

    Later! Hope it wasn't too boring.
    ==
    Ken kmcwatters@hotmail.com - kmcwatters@yahoo.com
    http://www.angelfire.com/tx/kmcwatters

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    Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:40:52 -0800 (PST)
    From: Glen Brooks <g_brooks@yahoo.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: To Live Forever
    Message-ID: <19971120184052.24009.rocketmail@send1a.yahoomail.com>

    Does anybody know of a different place to download the MP3 file for To
    Live Forever?The server at rsabbs.com/dt is VERY slow.I really want to
    hear this song,but I want to get a good download of it too.Or is there
    a RA file for it?

    Thanks,Glen

    P.S. Re-load.....what a joke!!!
    wooooohooooo!!!!!!!!!

    ==
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        "Sometimes,A view frim sinless eyes,
             centers our perspective,
             and pacifies our cries."
                 Dream Theater
    g_brooks@yahoo.com,GnRBrks@aol.com

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    Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:43:00 -0500
    From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: drummers, inner strength
    Message-ID: <199711201839.NAA09786@bertelsmanncis.com>

    Hello all,
     -
    >Heheheh, and I bet you haven't even seen Dave Weckl, or Simon Phillips,
    or
    >Vinnie Caluita live have you? Well... I've only seen Weckl, and that
    was
    >bad enough... :) But someday I hope to see Bozzio play live, that
    should
    >leave a nice stain in my pants...

    i saw billy cobham live once--i don't think anything could top that.
    anyone here ever hear of or see chad wackerman? i saw him with
    holdsworth, and he was truly a monster behind the kit.

    question: anyone here know of a band called inner strength? they opened
    for dt way back on the i&w tour, at least here on long island. i had
    their demo tape back then and i lost it (dummy). what ever became of
    them? anyone?

     --MATt

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    Date: Thu, 20 Nov 97 13:51:04 EST
    From: <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng"
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: re: Vixen
    Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+KM6RoA@tcx.tcco.com>

    >From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
    >
    >Hey , I like Vixen!!!
    >I saw them a 2-3 times and even got a Roxy Petrucci
    >drumstick! Also Share Pederson played bass in Contra-
    >band, if you recall.
    >O.K., I'll shut up now.

    Cool, I can come out of the closet now. I loved Vixen. In fact, I just
    ordered their "Vixen" and "Rev It Up" CDs. If you guys want to hear a "male"
    version of Vixen, check out the first or second Trixter CDs. They sound
    very...VERY similar.

    "Chick singers are cool"

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    Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:03:34 -0500
    From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@bostech.com>
    To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Treasure Land
    Message-ID: <603838AE6912D111A2B80000C07F4C9FB6B0AA@carrier.btrd.bostontechnology.com>

    >> I just wanted to tell you all (if you care) about the latest Treasure
    >> Land news.We have found a new singer in Jake Samuel
    >> (ex.Talisman(drums) and Jakyl&Hyde(voice)).We are entering the
    >> studio on the 25 of December to make the follow up to "Questions"
    >> and the realese will be in February on Noise/T&T.
    >>
    >> Please visit our homepage for more details.
    >> http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-48707

    Hey, I have this disk and these guys are great !! If you like some of
    today's progressive harder sounds (and I know you do, that's why you are
    on this list :) then you should check these guys out. I am more
    impressed every time I hear "Questions".

    Later,
    Mark Metzger
    mmetzger@bostech.com

    Five Gratuitous CD's:
    =====================
    1. Treasure Land: Questions
    2. Dream Theater: Hollow Years
    3. Symphony X: The Power Within
    4. Merry Axemas
    5. Bozzio Levin Stevens

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    Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:05:26 -0500 (EST)
    From: "i don't wanna seem like randy pan the goat boy" <afn39111@afn.org>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: RE: Girls and prog...
    Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.95.971120135120.88468A-100000@freenet2.afn.org>

    It is the great tragedy of my life that the one woman I ever knew who was
    smart enough to like Peter Gabriel-era Genesis was too smart to want to have
    anything to do with me. Sigh.

    Of course, a woman stupid enough to like Hanson is still too smart for me,
    but it's depressing how few females out there like prog or jazz or
    classical.

    That said, here are the females I know about who have been in proggish
    bands:

    Annie Haslam and the woman from the first album - Renaissance (vox)
            (I have yet to actually hear the band, but it's respectable)
    Ruth Underwood - Frank Zappa (percussion, marimba goddess)
    Sara Lee - League of Gentlemen (bass)
    Anneke van Giersbergen - The Gathering (vox)
    Anna Holmgren - Anglagard (flute)
    Dawn Crosby - Fear of God (vox)
    Gayle Moran - Return to Forever, Mahavishnu Orchestra (vox, keys)

    "O dulcissime amator, o dulcissime amplexator, ...nos desideramus ardenter
    te sequi, ... quod tu desideres gemmam requirere in putredine."
    --Hildegard von Bingen //// A testament: http://www.afn.org/~afn39111

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    Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:05:43 -0500
    From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re:Power of Omens / Female Singers?
    Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971120140543.00bc9790@sol.eng.fore.com>

    At 04:12 AM 11/20/97 -0800, you wrote:
    >
    >The band you may be thinkin of is Phantom Blue. An all Female band that
    >kicks Vixen's Ass (remember them, booo). The first CD (sorry I can't
    >remember the name) is most definitely 80's, (that's when it came out) and
    >was full of Hard Rockin Shred. The second CD replaced a Guitarist and
    >changed the sound more towards Blues based heavy rock, but still good.

    The first one you mentioned was called "Built to Perform", but I'm not sure
    that was really their first album. I seem to remember them having one
    prior to that, but I can't say for sure. Built to Perform was released on
    Geffen, so it was a little more reknown than the others.

    KAI

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    Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:23:48 +0000
    From: someone@prognosis.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: "Opinions about FII" by Mr Ptacek
    Message-ID: <199711201919.LAA19845@odin.ax.com>

            Okay, so you guys get this letter in your mailbox and you say to
    yourselves "Uh oh... Ptacek's gonna have a field day with this guy!"

            I don't intend to disappoint. :)

    > I know Kuba, and know his opinion about FII. Althought I don't agree this
    > opinion, he obviously have a right to his own opinion. Mr Ptacek, what a
    > narrow-minded are you?

            You obviously didn't read what I posted. You saw what you perceived
    as insults toward your friend and you rush in to defend him, blindly
    ignoring his inconsistencies, and faulty view of society.
            I said quite clearly, that everyone is entitled to his or her own
    opinions. I also said that Kuba was making an attempt to disqualify
    other people's opinions as irrational and worth "less" than his own.
    I take offense to that. My opinions are no more right than anyone
    else's... but to hell with anyone who thinks he can enforce his
    beliefs on me! If you want to defend him, then that's fine. But I
    owe neither of you any courtesy, with the attitudes you're
    presenting.

    > Can't you use a more polite words to describe Kuba
    > and his letter? I think, you are an idiot, if you can't respect opinions
    > of other people.
            
            Thanks for the name calling. You're much more polite than I am.
    I'm not an idiot, though. Ask Clark and Lars and the newcomer,
    Banister. We're ASSHOLES. I didn't find any reason to post any less
    bluntly than I did. I did it in a way that I thought would get
    people to laugh. It worked. If that makes me a bad person, well,
    I'll just sit in the corner and fling rodents at you. I don't care
    to abide by the judgements of someone who is so self absorbed as to
    truly believe that his way is the "Only Right Way."

    > This is a childish behaviour. How old are you? 15? This
    > is strange, that a few weeks ago I red a discussion on YTSE about rights
    > to opinions, and now I'm reading these f***ing bullshits!!!!

            Well, it may seem childish to you, but I doubt you grasp everything
    I said. You, not unlike Kuba, are attacking points I never made.
    If you do understand English clearly, and I mean that in all
    seriousness, not as a jab... I've tried to read Spanish mailinglists
    and failed, so I know it's tough... then you couldn't possibly have
    read through my post. I respect opinions. I respect
    assholes. I don't respect megalomaniacs or egotists. And I'm not
    15, I'm 11. :) As if age has anything to do with this argument at
    all...

    > I think , the european prog-metal scene is better than in US. We respect
    > rights of others, but you don't. So, I wish you good luck on your way to
    > knowledge about a music. I think, you probably will bring me down in your
    > next letter, but nevermind. I f*** it, and f*** your mail. I don't
    > understand, why some people on YTSE want to make a battles with others.

            I never battled Kuba. He attempted to refute some things with some
    entirely flawed logic. I took offense, and bluntly decimated him (at
    least I think so... judge for yourself). You're the one posting a
    flame to the YtseJam, oh morally and geographically superior European
    jammer, sir. :)

    > In my opinion it should be a friendly channel for real DT fans. I'm
    > thinking, what other bands you listen to, Mr Ptacek. Can you tell me? You
    > probably have a sunglasses on your eyes, and don't see any aspects of
    > some things.

            I can tell you, but I hope you have some time on your hands. I have
    a LOT of music, and I listen to it for a LOT of different reasons
    (and though I've spent several thousands of dollars on music, I STILL
    can not judge instantly if a piece is "crap." That just can't be
    done, if you ask me.)
            My opinion of what this channel should be is that it should be
    EXACTLY and INFLEXIBLY what the welcome message says it should be.
    But I have resigned myself to the understanding that it will never be
    that way, so that's fine.
            Now go talk to Kuba... if he wants to defend himself, instead of
    sending his henchmen, you know my e-mail address. If you insist on
    posting this rubbish to the jam, I'll find some way to make it
    legitimate for me to respond (I'll throw in DTC and make it humorous
    or something). BTW, how's that sweater coming? I know a football
    team that could use some alterations on their uniforms if Kuba's much
    of a seamstress...

    Much love... much love.

    Chris Ptacek
    someone@prognosis.com
    http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
    Go Home and Practice!

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    Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:26:52 -0500 (EST)
    From: mscurfie@pop.ma.ultranet.com (Matthew Scurfield)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: DT at Toads Place
    Message-ID: <v01540b03b099f6280a1d@[172.16.7.139]>

    Hey guess what?

    I'm new to the list so I'm a little behind. Please forgive me. My bass
    player and I went to see DT in Connecticut their first night out. The show
    was great. I've seen them four times and that was one of the best. The
    sound in that club was really good and the whole band was right on. We
    hooked up with Mike and Derek after the show. Mike only briefly but we
    talked to Derek for some time. He was really cool with us. We gave them
    both CD's of our band MYSTIC FISHOOK. well maybe they will listen to them
    and dig it right? Anybody heard of us? If there was something about the
    band posted on the list I almost definately missed it. I belive we gave a
    CD to a guy named Brian. (I apologize if I forgot your name) Anyway if you
    read this thanks for coming to Berklee to see us.

    Matt

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    Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 13:22:19 -0500
    From: Jason Birzer <Longshot@pressroom.com>
    To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3265
    Message-ID: <0557.971120@pressroom.com>

    Thursday, 20 November 97, you wrote to me:

    >and isn't fucking the mail a federal offense?

     No, but imagine the papercuts. (Ouch!)

     :^)

     Jason Birzer mailto:Longshot@pressroom.com

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    Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 16:03:09 -0500
    From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Pittsburgh show
    Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19971120160309.009dc510@sol.eng.fore.com>

    Here's a little on the Pittsburgh show last night, although there's not
    much to say after Shawn's biography was released earlier today.

    Big Wreck played nothing memorable to me. I spent their whole set drinking
    and bullshitting with D.C. Cooper, Royal Hunt vocalist. We reminisced
    about the days when our bands used to do jam nights for 30 people. He said
    it was great to have Magna Carta pick up their recent album (Paradox) for
    US distribution - hint, hint - go get it. He was glad to be home for a few
    days, but said he was due back in Copenhagen sometime next week, and was
    suppose to meet DT there for some band related reason. Not really sure
    what he was talking about here, but I thought it could be interesting if it
    was for a possible touring opportunity in Europe. I also didn't know that
    DT was due in Europe so soon. I asked him how it was to work with their
    keyboardist Andre, who pretty much runs the band, and he said it was tough
    sometimes, but that he learns a lot from Andre. When I mentioned the
    notion that it's Andre's band, he stated that that perception bothered him
    a bit, but that it was essentially true. He was super cool - much more so
    than he was as a Pittsburgh peon. I would have thought differently, but
    I'm glad to see that success hasn't gone to his head.

    Derek was also roaming the upstairs (bar) area before the show, and he
    stopped to bullshit for a while. He's so laid back.

    DT opened with LitS again, and I'm glad they reverted back to opening with
    this tune. Derek said he liked opening with it better than NM. They
    played HY instead of UaGM, which I guess they've been swapping throughout
    the tour. Can't really say anything negative about the show, they were
    about perfect in every respect. James had a great night. You can tell
    he's a bit worn from the tour, meaning he wasn't as on as he was at the Fix
    shows, but he hit notes that should have been on the album, but weren't.
    TAMP was absolutely fantastic. MP sang a lot of backup, more than JP. He
    also sounded better. He sand a lot of NM with James, and it sounded great.
     Soundman didn't have a great BVoc mix, so the chorus to LitS didn't sound
    great. All you could hear was JP singing a pretty low harmony, which was
    pretty loud, but you couldn't hear Mike sing his part, which probably
    would've sounded great together. I'm glad to have them singing though,
    it's made a great live improvement.

    I talked to all of the members afterwards (man does MP take forever to come
    out), and JP said that they haven't touched Met2 since they wrote it, and
    said that he's forgetting more of it everyday. I'll take that with a grain
    of salt. James was extremely cool, very conversational and just seemed
    ultra concerned with pleasing the fans. I tried not throw up the same
    conversations that they hear every night, but I had to mention how much
    better TAMP was live, since it had such an impact on me when they played
    it. He was very sincere and looking a little disappointed when he said
    that it was one of many new ideas that they tried on the album, and this is
    one that they'll chalk up as a learning experience. JM was also very cool,
    and went into a bit of detail about the Chapman Stick. Someone mentioned
    him being "the silent man" and he became embarrassed, and I got the feeling
    that this irritates him. FYI, you might want to avoid mentioning it. Mike
    showed us his picture of Melody, and she's a sweetheart. Then they were
    off, and I walked away with two new additions to my full autographed DT
    collection. By the way, for anyone who thought JP was short with the fans,
    he told me that he had a splitting headache, and actually did return to
    sign more stuff. By then, most of the afterhours crowd had weeded out.

    That's all I remember, if you've even stayed awake this long.

    KAI

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