YTSEJAM digest 3051

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Date: Wed Oct 01 1997 - 15:54:05 EDT

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    Today's Topics:

      1) FII; a shameless plug....
     by svjohnson@amoco.com
      2) Images and Words
     by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
      3) Clark's spiel part II
     by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
      4) Desktop theme suggestion
     by "II Stephane Fortin" <s21639@rmc.ca>
      5) Re: Do You Feel Like We Do?
     by "James" <rycher@thegrid.net>
      6) Arash
     by sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu (Stephen LaMonica)
      7) FII, Birth year < 1965.
     by "Edwin Voras" <Edwin.Voras@MCI.Com>
      8) Re: Unsub info
     by Jeremy Ulrey <bangyrheadmf@geocities.com>
      9) Re: Reviews
     by Jeremy Ulrey <bangyrheadmf@geocities.com>
     10) Spelling Problem
     by YtseJim <lutz@uhavax.hartford.edu>
     11) dt dates
     by M_WASHKE@LVC.EDU
     12) Steve Vai and Joe Satriani
     by "James Thorpe" <thirdhvn@community.net>
     13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3050
     by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
     14) Myung and a pick, Savatage
     by Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
     15) Caught in Alice 9 Inch Tool Garden/Angra Bootlegs
     by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
     16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3050
     by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
     17) Camel??
     by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>

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    Date: Wed, 1 Oct 97 12:27:01 -0500
    From: svjohnson@amoco.com
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Cc: svjohnson@amoco.com
    Subject: FII; a shameless plug....
    Message-ID: <199710011725.AA04766@interlock.amoco.com>

         
         At first I was bummed....like when I first heard HITNF By Ryche (I
         still don't listen tot hat much, though I caught 'em at Alpine Valley
         last summer). But this albums KICKS!! ToT; LITS and NM are my faves.
         What's with the productionon this disc? I really find it to be
         reverbe heavy and muddy. The clarity and separation I've found on
         previous releases isn't there. I haven't listened through headphones,
         but a good production piece doesn't need phones to have clarity. I
         have an excellent sound system and I really don't think the disc would
         sound different coming from one speaker as opposed to getting use of
         both. Not impressed.
         
         Vegas jammers!!! I would love to invite you to The DRINK on October
         16. My acid-jazz band is being flown from Chicago to play there and
         it'd be cool to meet any of you who happen to go out during the week.
         I hope the place isn't a girls with big hair place like in Chicago,
         but I haven't been to Vegas, yet so two night there won't hurt.
         
         Finally, the Chicago Reader isn't listing DT at House of Blues in yet;
         neither is the House fo Blues concert line. Is the Nov. 1 date a
         reality at all?
         
         LATER-
         
         Steve

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    Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 13:44:15 -0500 (EST)
    From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
    To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
    Subject: Images and Words
    Message-ID: <01IOALFK5JYA9LV61I@alma.edu>

            All the recent talk about "take FII for what it is, and don't
    compare it to the other albums" has lead me to do exactly the opposite, and
    revisit I&W. In the process, I've realized exactly what it is about that
    album that I love so much, and why I'm somewhat dissapointed with FII. I'll
    warn you right now that comparisons between the two are inevitable, so if you
    can't deal with that just skip this post right now. I promise it will all
    be constructive, though. This is going to be long, so I'll probably send it
    in two parts.
            I think that of all the things I love about I&W, the aspect of it that
    I love the most is that DT (in my ever humble opinion) managed to completely
    avoid two major rock cliches when they wrote that album. The first (I feel
    like I'm writing a school paper) is the structure of the songs. My biggest
    complaint with FII is that the band seems to be moving towards the more
    traditional pop music "verse/pre-chorus/chorus/verse/pre-chorus/chorus/solo.
    /chorus/chorus/chorus" format when it comes to song structure. This is just
    a generalization, but when I listen to a song like Hollow years, I hear a
    beautiful melody, but I just feel like the song could have been so much more.
    It's like they took a great melodic idea, and then they just left it to die.
    Some people would call this "concise" or "mature" songwriting, but frankly, I
    call it boring and cliched. I would rather hear DT take a relatively
    uninspired musical or melodic idea and explore its potential by playing around
    with it and expanding on it, than to hear them take a good melodic idea and
    just play it a few times then just leave it alone. I know this will really
    piss some people off because I'm
    "telling the band what to do", but this brings me back to I&W. With the
    exception AD and, to a lesser extent, Surrounded, the basic structure of th
    songs on I&W are TOTALLY unconventional. In fact, I have always thought that
    on Images and Words DT went beyond merely writing songs and took the next step
    to writing compositions. Even PMU, which is often considered to be one of
    their more "commercial" songs, has a totally unique format. The song kind of
    has two choruses, which don't even appear in the same place relative to each
    other, and there are all kinds of themes that seem to appear once and then
    dissapear, only to reappear in some subtle way later on (the guitar intro, and
    the first heavy riff, which appears later under the chorus in a different key).
    To me, I&W sounds like they wrote every piece with a completely open mind,
    and with no preconcieved notions as to what "should" come next. Actually,
    this aspect of the band's creativity was still very much intact on Awake, and
    can still be found to a large extent on FII. However, it justs seems to me
    like there are a few songs on FII that could have been so much more if the
    band had explored the ideas within them more. I said a couple of days ago
    that a great piece of music is as much a journey as a great piece of literature,and I believe that. I'll expand the metaphor by saying that when you write
    a song with that repetitive verse/chorus/verse/chorus format, it seems to me
    like taking a journey that consists of walking around in a very small circle
    for a few minutes and then just stopping at some arbitrary point. You don't
    get anything new on the second or third time around the circle.

            TBC...

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    Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 14:07:25 -0500 (EST)
    From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
    To: YTSEJAM@ax.com
    Subject: Clark's spiel part II
    Message-ID: <01IOAM5A24UW9LV61I@alma.edu>

            The other thing that I love even more about I&W is related, but even
    more subtle. Hard rock and especially metal guitar playing has always kind of
    been divided into two categories: rhythm and lead. This writing philosophy
    has become so prevalent that it's just kind of taken as a given nowadays, but
    on I&W, I really feel that JP accomplished something totally unique in that
    he blurred, and in some cases completely obliterated this line between "rhythm
    guitar" and "lead guitar". On the other hand, it seems to me that all of the
    guitar parts on Awake can be pretty easily divided into riffs and solos. There
    are of course a few exceptions, such as most of IF (which, incidentally, I
    think is in more of the I&W style) and the instrumental section of CiaW, which
    is kind of like a rhythm guitar solo. Of course, there are guitar solos on
    I&W as well, but look at the instrumental section of TT at 3:48, or especially
    at 4:04 and 5:50. Listen to the instrumental section of Metropolis, or the
    "rhythm guitar" intro to UaGM, or, especially, the section of UaGM where
    KJLB sings "By your hand, I've awakened". Most of LTL applies as well. I
    challenge anyone to tell me whether JP is playing "rhythm" or "lead" on any of
    these section. No matter which way you answer, I could make a good argument
    the other way. But the point is that the answer doesn't matter, and that's
    what's so beautiful about this album. To my ears, JP didn't say "I'm going to
    throw a solo in here now" or "I'm playing rhythm guitar now", he just said:
    "what would be the perfect guitar part for this section of the song?". This
    album was written without any rules or any preconceived notion as to what a
    "song" should be, and I think that the results are spectacular.
            I would also argue that in some spots on I&W, even when JP is playing
    a part that can clearly be considered lead, what he is playing is so melodicallypure that you can't really call it a guitar solo. He'l simply playing melody.
    To me, the entire instrumental section of LTL is like this. I guess my point
    here is this; on Awake and FII, JP's solos seem to be just that: solos. He's
    a great lead player, of course, and his solos are always innovative and
    exciting. But I really feel that on I&W, he got beyond this limiting, somewhat
    cliched idea of separating everything into rhythm and lead, and just played
    MUSIC in a way that very few rock musicians have done. Some of the solos on
    Awake just sound like a barrage of notes. But when I study a solo from I&W,
    I get the impression that every note was very carefully chosen. Sure, JP
    shreds on I&W, but when he plays fast, it always serves to accent th melody
    he's playing on the guitar. Whereas on a solo like the one to Voices, it
    feels to me like he's just playing fast for the sake of playing fast.
    Admittedly, this is more subjective than the other stuff I wrote above, so
    please understand that I realize this is just my opinion.
            Why the hell did I write all this? I'm not really sure myself. I
    guess this is my response to all of the people who have said "you can't judge
    this new album in relation to DT's other albums". I can understand where
    you're coming from, but what I'm trying to explain is that for some of us,
    Dream Theater is the band that crated what we consider to be one of the most
    revolutionary rock albums of all time. Given that, it's pretty tough not to
    have certain expectations of the band. Despite what some of you would suggest,
    no one can listen to music in a vacuum. Everything I have ever heard has in
    some way influenced my current musical taste. So while I do love FII, and I
    do think that it's the best new album I've hear in a long time, I can't help
    but be dissapointed by it at the same time, and I'm not about to apologize
    for that to anyone. I hope this will clear up for some people exactly why
    that is.
            I also wrote this because I'm really bored with the 'jam lately, and
    I decided to try to generate some discussion that interests me instead of just
    bitching. So let's hear some thoughts on this. I'm sure some people response
    to the rhythm/lead thing will be "yeah, you're right, but so what?". But that'sfine, I AM open to other people's opinions. These are just my thoughts, I'm
    not trying to force my opinions down anyone's throats.
                                    -Clark
                                       99abel@alma.edu

    ------------------------------

    Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 14:04:47 -0400
    From: "II Stephane Fortin" <s21639@rmc.ca>
    To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Desktop theme suggestion
    Message-ID: <343290BF.B210BBB5@rmc.ca>

    Hi jammers!
        I was just thinking, wouldn't it be great to have a new Dream
    Theater desktop theme about FII??? I think it'd be great after what
    I've seen with the last one (Awake as wallpaper).

                                                            take care!!!

    Stef
        Le Dragon

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    Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 11:47:38 -0700
    From: "James" <rycher@thegrid.net>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: Do You Feel Like We Do?
    Message-ID: <01bcce9a$7d92f640$cb673cd1@i574747.thegrid.net>

    >'Lines In The Sand' was playing, when suddenly
    >around the 6 minute 30 second mark I thought "I know this from
    >somewhere else". Then it struck me - 'Do You Feel Like We Do'
    >from the 70s album 'Frampton Comes Alive'. Anybody else hear
    >this? But then I guess I'm not entitled to say things like this, since I
    >don't play an instrument myself, and only other musicians are
    >qualified to voice an opinion about music...

    YES! I was wondering if anyone else had noticed this ... the chord
    progression starts out just like "Do you Feel Like We Do" then changes and
    goes on from there....cool ! And hey, dont feel bad because you aren't a
    musician, or whatever. We're all equals and your opinion is just as valid as
    anyones... :-)

    peace

    James

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    Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:33:07 -0400 (EDT)
    From: sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu (Stephen LaMonica)
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Arash
    Message-ID: <199710011833.OAA24040@polaris.sju>

    This is for Arash, I am glad to see you included Enchant in your top 10, I
    own that cd and enjoy it a lot. Have you noticed the last song on the disc
    kind of sounds like DT's 6:00? It is a good song, but the bass is really
    similar to 6:00(not to mention the drum intro). If you like Enchant, you
    might want to check out Altura. They have a cd on Magna Carta entitled Mercy.
    It is a pretty decent prog cd. One of the better young bands.
    PS-Merlo.....*plunge*? Oooo that's gotta hurt. :( Ouch!

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    Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 11:43 -0700 (MST)
    From: "Edwin Voras" <Edwin.Voras@MCI.Com>
    To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: FII, Birth year < 1965.
    Message-ID: <19971001184357.AAA1136@localHost>

    1) Tom Baddley asked:

    >Do we have anyone on here born before 1965? Just curious if I was
    >the only older DT fan on the jam.

         Yes mine is before 1965, but just how much I think I'll keep a secret
         for now.

    2) Just my few thoughts on FII. After listening non-stop since 00:01
         23 Sept. (thanks for the company Phx. road jammers), I am totally
         blown away. It's not the same as I&W, or Awake, or..., but it's
         great for what it is. Sure it's not as outwardly complex, but
         it is still complex and thought provoking. It has a serious groove
         and I personally feel the production is pretty good. Again not
         the same as I&W etc, but it shouldn't be. The songs are all well
         written and the whole thing flows well. J.P. is just totally awesome
         as always. I must admit I would love to hear more shred solos,
         but hey I'm a guitar player so wadda ya want. It doesn't mean
         that I love the CD any less tho. Mikey is kickin' ass too. The
         sounded a little strange at first but it's growing on me. It's
         really good to hear JM up in the mix too. (I play a little bass too,
         does that make me predjudiced?) I have to say James is the best
         vocalist I've heard. To me he shows great emotion in his voice.
         Lastly there's Derek. Personally I liked him before this CD. Now
         all I can say is YES!! He adds a whole new dimension and a real
         Jazzy feel, (I think I've heard that somewhere B4.) I liked KM
         and think he was a great player, but I really prefer DS's style.
         Well that's about it. Ijust want to say this is all just My Opinion,
         and welcome any private discussions.

    Ytse on dudes,

    eD
         

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    Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 13:43:44 -0700
    From: Jeremy Ulrey <bangyrheadmf@geocities.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Unsub info
    Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971001134344.007cecb0@mail1.amaonline.com>

    Chris wrote:

    > I think it should be a part of every mailing list...for >those people who
    >were accidentally subscribed and don't know the rules, >etc...and for those
    >who deleted the welcome message...

    I agree with this. It's ludicrous to have to save a large text file to disk (probably several if you subscribe to different lists) just so you'll know how to unsubscribe if you get busy or the list gets boring. It really shouldn't be a problem to add one more line to the end of each digest, and I'd argue that this function is more important than the address to the FAQ.

    Jeremy

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    Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 14:05:31 -0700
    From: Jeremy Ulrey <bangyrheadmf@geocities.com>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Re: Reviews
    Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971001140531.007cec50@mail1.amaonline.com>

    Someone wrote (and many have quoted):

    > but why don't you check out thier reviews on the Spice Girls' album or
    > Oasis' new one?

    It should be noted that there are two forms of music criticism: artistic and popular, though these are arbitrary terms I've made up on the spot. Basically some journalists seek to actually regard each work in terms of it's artistic merit, historical significance and longevity, while others write purely for commercial reasons- they may not even like CDs they give good reviews for (and vice versa); they merely attempt to guess how it's going to go over with the mass public (A good example would be Entertainment Weekly).The latter journalists, who are usually those most reviled, seek only to give the average Joe an idea of whether or not he will like the CD enough to spend his money purchasing it. (Here we're getting dangerously close to the idea of whether everyone's opinion is exactly equal, or whether some bring more to the table than others, but due to the lack of responses to my previous post on the subject I'll take the hint and let the subject rest).
            I haven't read the review personally, but it sounds like one that would fit into the commercial category. Keep in mind that there can be significant overlap between the two categories, with some critics misguidedly attempting to do both things at once, and some critics who are popularly considered one type may actually be the other. For instance, Rolling Stone magazine is often considered the bastion of good academic criticism due to it's lengthy reviews and it's writers' mastery of meaningless hyperbole. Nevertheless, you don't have to dig too deep to recognize that, far more often than not, whatever they give good reviews to ends up on radio/MTV and those that they don't get lost in the shuffle. Like MTV, Rolling Stone seeks to shape the public's taste in music (selling a few more magazines in the process), though they'd hardly admit to such a thing.
            Now, all that being said, with most of the members of the list in utter disgust that a journalist would forsake his integrity and go for the money and commercial acceptance, let us observe that this is EXACTLY the behavior most people are defending Dream Theater for in the first place. Both DT and the critic who's bashing them are going for the SAME FUCKING audience, which is more irony than my thirsty wit is capable of absorbing!

    Jeremy

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    Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 15:11:58 -0400
    From: YtseJim <lutz@uhavax.hartford.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Spelling Problem
    Message-ID: <3432A07E.A99960EB@uhavax.hartford.edu>

    With all this grammer talk going on, it reminded me of what happened
    when i went to Sam Goody about a month ago...I was lookin at the New
    Release list behind the counter and they had:
            Sept. 23 Dream Theatre

    So i say to the clerk, 'You spelled the Band's name wrong'
    She's like, 'Which one?'
    I said, 'Dream Theater, it's spelled with an E-R. see....(as i point to
    my friends shirt)'
    she says, 'Well, thats the English Spelling..'
    I said 'So what? It's still not the name of the band.'
    so she replies, 'I don't care'

    I tell ya, the nerve of some people. This world needs a little more
    Respect ;)

    YtseJim

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    Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:12:33 -0400 (EDT)
    From: M_WASHKE@LVC.EDU
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: dt dates
    Message-ID: <971001151233.39b8d@LVC.EDU>

    Anyone know where I can find us DT concert dates (if there are any)? I would
    appreciate it. PLEASE E-MAIL ME PRIVATELY, NOT TO THE JAM! Also, I read
    something about a DT cd-rom. I haven't heard a thing about that since I've
    been out the thread on the jam for a while. If you can help me with either
    item, that would be great!

    Thanks,
    Mike Washkevich
    i 3{Ku3z"l=2Q$ g[wwO@M,pZb;3"

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    Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 12:17:46 -0700
    From: "James Thorpe" <thirdhvn@community.net>
    To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Steve Vai and Joe Satriani
    Message-ID: <199710011909.MAA00774@odin.community.net>

            Well, I just got back from a killer show at Sacramento.
    Steve Vai and Joe Satriani. It was simply the best instrumental
    guitar show I've been to. The audience was totally pumped.
    It gave you the impression that Shred music was extremly
    popular or something. :) Steve appeared to have an incredible
    time. The audience interupted him a couple times because
    of standing ovations. I'm guessing there were around 5000 people.
    Very intimate show. Vai was like Richard Simmons making
    everyone stand up and sit like a conductor doing simon sez.
    It was hilarious. I hope all of you jammers can checkout their
    G3 shows. They'll be at the Concord (CA) Pavillion this Sunday.
    Check his website for tour-dates. www.vai.com

    >This from Tony's Levin's web page, sorry if this has been posted:
    >Well, we finished the rhythm tracks of the project currently titled
    >"Millenium Project" - Mike Portnoy and John Petrucci of Dream Theater,
    Jordan
    >Rudes of Dixie Dregs -- and me, trying to keep up! (Boy, these guys play
    >FAST! ) Hopefully that cd will be ready for release by the end of the year
    >(it'll be on Magna Carta Records, and I'll put up a note and link when
    it's
    >ready.) We had some amusing moments, some of the riffs being so fast I
    must
    >admit I had to punch in my bass parts bar by bar. (no shame!)<<

            Man, this has got to be the most exciting thing for
    Extreme Prog music. I can't wait!!!! Jordan Rudess is insane.
    He's the Jason Becker of Keyboardists.

    peace,
    --james--
    third heaven studio

    "Animation can explain whatever the mind of man can conceive"
    -Walt Disney

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    Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 15:17:49 -0400 (EDT)
    From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3050
    Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.971001151625.766A-100000@wind>

    Hey.. for those who think DSotM and Oz are a hell of a coincident..
    play "Echoes" with "Jupiter and Beyond the Infinite" (2001) together.
    It will blow your mind. My favourite song and movie joining together in
    psychedelic magic =)

    Cheers!

    -Ponte

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    Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 14:25:20 -0500
    From: Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: Myung and a pick, Savatage
    Message-ID: <l03110700b0585183adef@[128.252.105.105]>

    as to the question of whether or not Myung is using a pick at the begining
    of Burning My Soul, I thought the same thing at first. I have never seen
    Myung use a pick and as a jazz-taught musician, he would probably hold the
    pick in disdain (as do I as a matter of personal opion, plectrums limit
    your playing too much). I messed around with my rig for a while (Vantage
    six string run through a couple of Eden cabs) and I think that he just
    dropped the bass, cranked the mids and trebs and hit the strings with a
    stacato attack. Sounds pretty close to me anyway.

    Also, Has Savatage's the Wake of Magellan been released yet and does
    anybody know if it is worth picking up? If they albums come at so close, I
    wonder about the possibility of a Dream Theater/Savatage tour. Probably
    not, I have a feeling DT is going to try to with "hip" bands to attract a
    bigger more diverse crowd. Ever notice how Megadeth do that (Megadeth and
    Stone Temple Pilots? Megadeth and Korn?-cool show though).

    FII-is rapidly becoming my Fav DT album. I think I have discovered the
    problem with Portnoy's bad lyrics. His lyrics on ACOS were incredible
    because they were so lengthy and complicated that he probably revised them
    a thoudsand times. The lyrics to BMS seem like a toss of. If he took the
    time to work on them a little, mayabe they wouldn't have sucked so badly
    (IMHO)

    Also to the whose quote I stole, could you please post your name so that I
    can credit it. Thanks

    Seth Hatlelid
    srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu

    "If lobsters looked like puppies, people could never drop them in boiling
    water
    while they're still alive. But instead, they look like science fiction
    monsters, so it's OK. Restaurants that allow patrons to select live lobsters
    from a tank should be made to paint names on their shells: "Happy", "Baby
    Doll", "Junior." I defy anyone to drop a living thing called "Happy" in
    rapidly boiling water."
                                    -Unknown

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    Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:26:24 -0300 (EST)
    From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
    To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: Caught in Alice 9 Inch Tool Garden/Angra Bootlegs
    Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971001161629.11599A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>

    On Wed, 1 Oct 1997, Shai Yallin wrote:

    > And for a different subject:
    >
    > There's this song called "Caught in Alices 9 Inch Tool Gardern" which I
    > never got a chance to listen to. Can anyone point a URL where I can find
    > it but NOT on RA stream?

            Well, CiA9ITG is not a new song. It is the usual "Caught in a
    Web", but with some industrial rock elements thrown in it. It is the
    version they're (they were) playing during the Fix for '96/'97 shows (has
    the new tour started yet?)

            And for a yet different subject:

            What are the Angra bootlegs you know about?? Yesterday I got a
    boot (2CD) called "Holy Land in the East". It is an audience recording of
    a show in Osaka/Japan and it has an ok sound (I think that if I ever get a
    good sound editor, I can easily fix its sound to add basses & trebles and
    reduce the midrange and press another CD from it).

            Anyway, it is an ok bootleg (maybe a little better than OK), but I
    yesterday I heard a really *TERRIBLE* boot from the "Angels Cry" tour: the
    performance was just ok, the sound quality was simply unacceptable and
    Andre' Matos voice was... Well, let's just say that James LaBrie's voice
    on the Japan Pay Per View show was really much better... :-) It was a
    bootleg recorded here in Sao Paulo (I can't remember the title). I guess
    that Andre Matos took a lot of training between the tours.

            I'd like to to know if you know of other bootlegs...

    > Thanx in advance,
    >
    > --
    > Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM

            []s, Roger...

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      Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!"
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    Date: Wed, 01 Oct 1997 15:32:02 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3050 Message-ID: <199710011932.PAA26627@ren.cs.wm.edu>

    > Hey.. for those who think DSotM and Oz are a hell of a coincident.. > play "Echoes" with "Jupiter and Beyond the Infinite" (2001) together. > It will blow your mind. My favourite song and movie joining together in > psychedelic magic =)

    Yeah, but both Kubrick and the band admit that that was on purpose. Dark Side of the Rainbow, however... mwahahahahaha :) Spooky!

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    Date: Wed, 1 Oct 1997 16:34:37 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Camel?? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971001163349.11599B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>

    Hi, there...

    Anyone knows about a progressive band called Camel?? Are they worth checking??

    Thank you for any information, Roger...

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