YTSEJAM Digest 3079
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Genesis drummer
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
2) UNAVAILABLE DEMO
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
3) 7 wonders web site?
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
4) Trade?
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
5) Investigating rumors, etc...
by Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net>
6) Small Venues and a couple dates
by "Matt Mommaerts (Fox 47)" <mattymo@inxpress.net>
7) DT Tour and Japanese FII
by Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com>
8) Re: Paul Cashman's most
by Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net>
9) UNCLASSIFIED:-Australian Tour
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
10) CD ORDER MIX-UP
by Melissa Bahr <emerald@goodnet.com>
11) House of Blues, Hollywood
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
12) How the heck do I get out???
by anakata <anakata@usa.net>
13) DT in Ohio
by jemmons@neo.lrun.com (John Emmons)
14) Caught in Amsterdam '97 replicas; Spinning Years orders open
by "David Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3076
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3077
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
17) sabbath@br2001.com.br
by Nicolas Drouin <dron01@UQAH.UQuebec.CA>
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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 15:33:52 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Genesis drummer
Message-ID: <199710071933.PAA27249@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
> I was under the impression that Nick D'Virgilio (sp!?), the drummer for
> Spock's Beard, was playing on the new Genesis album?? Can anyone confirm or
> refute this? Nick is a great drummer!
Nick played on three and a half songs, and is *not* the full-time drummer for
Genesis (since he's still the full-time drummer for the Beard). Nir Z played
on the rest of the album. I don't remember who the touring drummer is, but I
know it's not Nick, and I think it's not Nir, but I'm not sure.
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:04:14 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: UNAVAILABLE DEMO
Message-ID: <199710072004.NAA25479@gms.gmsnet.com>
Howdy folks...
I'm making available one track from the Falling Into Infinity demo
sessions that won't be available on any B-Sides as far as I know... this
song is called Cover My Eyes.
This song is NOT on the japanese version of FII either...
And it's not a cover of the Marillion song... :)
Page URL below: MPEG3 format.
-The Doc
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:32:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: 7 wonders web site? Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.971007163202.8473B-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
Can somebody send me this. I lost it.
Reach Damon Fibraio at damon@shell.monmouth.com keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality Deviant of Reality All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars. Neil Peart of Rush
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:40:01 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Trade? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971007173318.11000A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
Hi, there...
I've updated my homepage (only a little -- there will be more updates soon, I hope) and the main things that I've included there are an Angra bootleg called "Holy Land in the East" and a Metallica bootleg from the good old days :-), the *ONLY* bootleg containing "Trapped Under Ice" (it also contains Happy Birthday to Kirk and "The Call of Ktulu").
I'm very interested in trading for any bootlegs from the "Justice" tour (I'll give preference if it is a video) or any DT high quality video, but I'm open to any trades. Just make me an offer and we'll see what we can arrange.
If you want to trade, please, send an e-mail to <rbrito@ime.usp.br>. My trade homepage address is:
<http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html>.
Also, if you encounter any problem with my page, please let me know, since it's not verified against HTML syntax errors.
Hope to hear from you soon, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 16:22:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Dave Peterson <glyde@scc.net> To: DT Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Investigating rumors, etc... Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.971007161457.19796A-100000@SOUND.SCC.NET>
According to a fellow jammer, he says he recalls hearing a rumor ON THE JAM a week or so ago about a Nov. 2nd DT concert in Minneapolis.
Note: This is NOT the intentionally fictional date that I posted kiddingly a few days ago.
What I'm referring to here is an actual, genuine, 100% bonafide RUMOR where my post was simply a lie.
Anyway, right now I'm so impatient waiting for a Minneapolis date, I'm even willing to investigate and prove/disprove a flimsy RUMOR!!! All I need is the venue.
If anyone recalls seeing it and recalls the venue or feels like doing a search through previous jams, I would be much obliged...
Dyslexic Jammers: UNTIE!!!!
Dr. Teeth
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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 16:31:51 -0500 From: "Matt Mommaerts (Fox 47)" <mattymo@inxpress.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Small Venues and a couple dates Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971007163151.007ef1f0@inxpress.net>
I talked with someone from Elektra a couple weeks or so ago...
since I live in Madison, WI... I only asked him about the dates in the area (which I posted before)
November 1 Chicago (House of Blues) November 2 Minneapolis (1st Avenue) November 3 Milwaukee (The Rave)
he told me that, then I asked him "why such small venues?"
He said that they want to be sure they sell out the shows, and by putting them in smaller venues, that will happen.
So, for everyone asking that question... there is your answer.
so as D-man said... >No one knows any more than anyone else. I'm sure that when one jammer learns >*anything* about impending tour dates in your part of the world, he or she >will post it here.
Just be patient... we jammers care about other jammers... really! and I'm gonna call That guy from Elektra again, and see if he'll send me more stuff...
Matt
Personal: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo Mosh Pit: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo/moshpit
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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 17:24:02 -0400 From: Robert Rivers <gehrig4@seacoast.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT Tour and Japanese FII Message-ID: <343AA872.25D9@seacoast.com>
I see they added a couple shows on the ticket Shafter page Hollywood CA Nov 12 Cleveland Oh Oct 27
It sucks that you have to rely on these bastards to find out tour dates, What a shit job of promoting this tour Todd T-boy Confessore, if indeed he's responsible as tour manager. they need to get their shit together. I don't get the idea of playing smaller venues.
Anyways I got the Japanese FII today, I like the demo of TAMP , it is slower and heavier , also has the original lyrics to the third verse. And when James belts out "The curtain Faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllls" it rocks. Also Speak to Me is good , very U2 ish. my opinion only. Later Rob
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:02:06 PST From: Mark Smeets <msmeets@ibm.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Paul Cashman's most Message-ID: <199710072209.PAA28595@ktk1.SMARTT.COM>
** Reply to note from ytsejam@ax.com 10/07/97 03:35am -0700
- Did you get any sleep AT ALL? Get a life, duder. :)
I'm a theater tech, what sleep?
-Easier said than done. Sure, someone like Metal Blade or -Roadrunner might like them, but they don't have the moxie -(read: money) that Elektra has IF THEY WANT TO COMMIT IT.
And I agree with you there. With the money that they are getting now, how ever much that is, its probably nothing to what they should get. As for Elektra, yea to them its all about money but if your smart with spending your cash, would you not put money behind what you can push? and then save the rest for something else or gip some other people in the process just because they can if they want.
Yea, and money can buy other things, ilke help pay for some gear etc...Then again, if it was me, I wouldn't let anyone else buy my gear for me, i.e. "would you like a new bass, go pick one out and we'll pay for it". As nice as that seems, I'll pay for it myself thank you. I really don't think any of us are privy to DT's expense account at the moment :)
-Might work if Jammers in individual cities could help with -promotion, getting the word out, scouting venues, etc. But -who pays for the radio ads? Etc..... Hint: if ya buy -radio ads for a show and offer free goodies to the station, -they JUST might add your song for a few spins.
You can pay for airtime if you want. The situation here (vancouver) is a bit different. if you fax the radio station and ask them to read it, chances are, it'll get done. It's like who you know and if you can get the word out over the airways, well, your job is done for that point. You don't really need airtime, just make sure you grab the time when people are listening. (lots of people) As for venues, hey, use some connections because if you rent a venue for a night etc...and it pays off to be succesful, a good relationship is formed and that can always pay off afterwards. I'm pretty sure if some jammers in other cities were too book some venues, I think DT would take the chance to show up and play. I mean, wouldn't you?
Mark Smeets/Stranger0/HTML Guild Member --------------------------------------- http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/ - personal page http://www.smartt.com/~jsmeets/stranger/Front.htm - Megadeth F.A.Q. A Bridge is not a high place The fifty-second floor Icarus would know A Mountain isn't too far to fall When you've Fallin' from the Moon - Marillion, Brave - Fallin' from the Moon
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Date: Wed, 8 Oct 1997 08:29:36 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Australian Tour Message-ID: <4A256529.007AF064.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
Ah, the smell of an Aussie tour brings out of the woodwork several 'lurkers' :) No one knows about an Australian tour yet, all it is so far is 'talk', we will be the first to know there is gonna be an Aussie tour, just be patient guys. 'FII' hasn't even got/had/have a local release here so don't hold your breathe for a tour just yet. Without a release of their most recent product do you seriously think that DT's record company will finance a tour here ? What we can do is start hassling the record company about releasing it here.
gRaham_
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:31:41 -0700 (MST) From: Melissa Bahr <emerald@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: CD ORDER MIX-UP Message-ID: <199710072231.PAA25409@goodnet.com>
Hi all well there is just a few mix-ups here. I need to know about the following orders:
1. Richard Warren- why did you send back Kick into A Dream, if there was something wrong please let me know. We does not remember why you were sneding it back.
2. Edward Polzin- why did you send your VS back? Is there something wrong with it? Please let me know what is going on.
3. David Edwards- We sent out your PT but it came back due to wrong address, could you please email me your correct address, so I can resend it.
4. Steven Thum- We received an order from you but we have no idea what it is for. Please email me to let me know.
5. Who ever lives at; 570 Grey Eagle Dr., Cole Spas, CO 80919, I am not sure if this is the correct address, but I can not read you writting. I need to know your name and what you ordered.
People please make it clear in your orders of what you want and your name and address. Any of you people above please email me at : emerald@goodnet.com Thanks and Take Care!
-Melissa Bahr-emerald@_goodnet.com-http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 15:41:00 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: House of Blues, Hollywood Message-ID: <199710072241.PAA27023@gms.gmsnet.com>
I just called Ticketmaster...
The tickets are on sale now...
-The Doc
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 97 18:46:44 -0400 From: anakata <anakata@usa.net> To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: How the heck do I get out??? Message-ID: <19971007224508.22396.qmail@dns01.ops.usa.net>
Hi....
I=B4m kinda frustrated now..... I=B4ve been trying to get out from this mailinglist for over 2 weeks = now...(Too many digests per day)...... BUT I CAN`T!!!!!!! Can someone mail me privately (savafan@oden.se) and tell me = how...(I=B4m kinda lost ya see...)
And to add to this list.... I think FII is great except "Anna-Lee" wich is a shall I say "Let=B4s = rip the money off people with this song"..... And why can=B4t DT get rid of James Labrie??? He=B4s a good singer, but he can=B4t do it LIVE!!! Heck, he can=B4t = almost sing in the studio either.....
On the other hand...Maybe they need him to keep the little girls in = the fanclub.......
Ok.....Thanx for this...And hey....If the ytsejam wasn=B4t so big and = that many per day, I might consider staying, cause I love DT......
Bye for now......
"I believe what the profet said, that the oceans hold their dead" (Savatage - TWOM)
Nanne Andersson (savafan@oden.se)
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 18:53:43 +0100 From: jemmons@neo.lrun.com (John Emmons) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT in Ohio Message-ID: <v01540b0ab0600c3b4186@[204.210.205.63]>
DT promised that they would come to Cleveland, and they are not letting us down. Two DT concerts in one week! We can't wait!!!!!!
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 17:47:26 -0500 From: "David Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Caught in Amsterdam '97 replicas; Spinning Years orders open Message-ID: <19971007224943.AAA3395@hombre>
[Caught in Amsterdam '97] CIA97 just now came in the mail today, and man, this is one cool boot. It has essentially the same setlist as the FF96 boot, but the sound quality is better. It was recorded April 14, 1997 at Melkweg, Amsterdam, Holland. The old versions of the songs are all here in all their extended glory. The tracklisting is as follows: Disc One 1. ACoS - The Crimson Sunrise / Innocence (7:13) 2. The Mirror (7:02) 3. Lie (7:46) 4. Burning My Soul (8:42) 5. Another Hand / The Killing Hand (14:24) 6. Just Let Me Breathe (5:35) 7. Caught in a Web (7:21) 8. Peruvian Skies (6:45) 9. Pull me Under (7:45) Disc Two 1. Lines in the Sand (15:46) 2. Take Away My Pain (7:01) 3. ACoS - The Darkest of Winters (5:12) 4. The Ytsejam (6:30) 5. Learning to Live (16:45) 6. Metropolis - Part 1 (13:49)
I'm offering it for replication for $35, recorded Disc-At-Once for no gaps between tracks. Go to my page (http://www.geocities.com/soho/2236) for where you need to send your money.
Orrrrrr.... you *could* order "Spinning Years", which has "Caught in Amsterdam '97" as well as "The Dance of Eternity", "Lost in the Sky", "Mind Control", "A Kick into a Dream", and "Uncovered" (12 discs total) all on one CD in MP3 format for $22. See below.
[Spinning Years] I just finished the liner today and HOLY SCHNIKEYS the it looks AWESOME. The printer will have them done by Friday. The reservation system for this one will be completely different than the way it was for "Seven Wonders". Just send in your money this time, and your disc number will be assigned then. The print run for this disc will be 250.
[Seven Wonders] Ordering continues. Almost at 120 reservations. Print run ends at 150. =)
Keep checking my page (http://www.geocities.com/soho/2236) for updates on orders and news about current and forthcoming CDs.
D. Ryan Whitaker David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:08:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3076 Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.971007185426.77264D-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Mon, 6 Oct 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote: > > Everyone here is waiting to hear Metropolis Part 2, correct? > Of course, who wouldn't want to. It's THE most anticipated DT > song right now. The way I see it, is that, Paul is right it > comes down to money and the reason there is no tour is > probably also because the label just doesn't see any cash ops > in it.
I've been thinking about this. Normally labels, especially majors don't pull this one-show-at-a-time bullshit, especially when the dates in question are getting pretty close. I don't mean to start the rumors flying here (like that disclaimer is going to help), but maybe this is sort of a mini-tour, kind of like the Fix Shows, just more spread out. And maybe, just maybe, the label wants to hook DT up as an opening band for someone bigger to widen their audience. Say what you may about shortened sets, rude crowds, whatever. The fact is that in this business it is either grow or die. Think about the trend. I&W was the most successful album, in the states anyway. They were playing fairly good-sized places by the end of that tour. When Awake came out, the places were smaller, plus they didn't tour America as much anyway. The the Fix Shows, which were even smaller and now this FII "tour." If DT doesn't open for someone or have a hit single (ala PMU) on their own, the future doesn't look bright. Sorry to be a pessimist. Maybe all the Desmond Child haters should take note of this.
Well, if DT was smart, and we all know they are, don't > bother recording it. Put out another EP, get a new label (I > believe they just have 1 more recording to do then they are > free from all contract obligations)
I don't know what their contract looks like, but there is something called "options" in the industry, where, after a band completes the initial length of their contract, the label reserves the right to retain their services for a specified number of option albums, usually, or at least hoefully, with different royalty rates. Anyway, my point is that trying to screw a company like Elektra is only going to bite you in the ass.
Give the new label the > song, well, don't GIVE them the song but record it and then > that basically tells the current label "Ha, we screwed you > over".
Recording a song, especially a 25min + song requires $$$ and lots of it. And if it's Elektra's money....
Richie
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 19:17:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3077 Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.971007190827.77264E-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Tue, 7 Oct 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> An example of What Money Can Buy: we've been talking about the nice > coverage DT got in METAL EDGE. What? Did you think the magazine did > that out of the goodness of their hearts? Out of a sense of duty to > the prog movement? Hardly! The reason for the coverage is on page 7.... > With all due respect, I find it HIGHLY unlikely that Elektra paid Metal Edge for the coverage. Having worked directly in publicity with Elektra's "sister" label Atlantic (Publicity are the people that arrange for press interviews to take place, as well as various other duties which are neither here nor there for now), I can say that I know of no such instance. The fact is that, as any long-time reader of Metal Edge will tell you, the magazine has ALWAYS been favorable to DT. Plus, it is a major label metal release on slow month for major label metal releases. It's not an issue of morality, it's one of supply and demand. Yes, an add for FII appears next to the interview. And Elektra might have even paid a little extra for the ad to appear in such a convinent location (or maybe Metal Edge did it at no charge...I have no idea), but to say that money changed hands in exchange for such nice coverage is ridiculous. Richie
P.S. Though I do understand your skepticism
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 18:43:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicolas Drouin <dron01@UQAH.UQuebec.CA> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: sabbath@br2001.com.br Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971007184211.6099B-100000@saturne>
Hello, i am interested in trading for the video in brazil you have! I have some Dt vids & Rush
let me know if interested!
Nick
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