YTSEJAM Digest 3078
Today's Topics:
1) Mumblings and Jumblings
by Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
2) Song lengths
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
3) Alan Estrada / New Judas Priest
by Nick Giannotti <N.Giannotti@COMEQUITY.COM>
4) Electra DT page update.
by Matt Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com>
5) re: maturity
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.bite.me>
6) re: Italian bands
by <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng"
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3076
by Edward Polzin <polzin@ews.uiuc.edu>
8) Threshold Info
by Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com>
9) Calling all stations/Fii
by "ÞrØgßø¥" <calfaro@caribe.net>
10) DT tour
by jpenna@trc.tosco.com
11) Need touring information
by "A. Williamson" <ajwilli@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
12) Tape Traders: READ THIS!
by Jose Lucas Perroni Kalil <gzr@geocities.com>
13) Re: DT in Cleveland !!!!
by WazooDust@aol.com
14) Ballads
by Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca (Lauzon, Gary: IHAB)
15) Genesis drummer
by "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com>
16) Re: shopping around
by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
17) Re: DT comparisons
by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
18) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3077
by "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" <pmukhop@med.wayne.edu>
19) READ THIS FOR TOUR INFO
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
20) Re: Need touring information
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 21:41:35 +1000
From: Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Mumblings and Jumblings
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971007214135.00767400@powerup.com.au>
Hiyis
Just some irrelevant thoughts for y'all to mull over and then forget about...
DT touring Oz: this would be pretty cool. That's all I'll say. Why is it
that as soon as it's announced that the band are thinking of coming here,
all of the Australian jammers come out of the woodwork? Funny, that...
---FII: still couldn't find it in any store in Australia, so I ordered it from CDnow. Here, then, is my review:
NM - very bloody cool YNM - bloody cool PS - bloody cool HY - very bloody cool BMS - very bloody cool HK - very bloody cool LITS - extremely very bloody cool TAMP - pretty good JLMB - bloody cool AL - very bloody cool TOT - bloody cool
I think that Hollow Years would make a great single, but I also think it would be a bad choice this early in the game. What if everyone buys the single and loves it, thinking that this is what DT always do? I think they should make sure they have a relatively successful single before releasing HY.
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About the Elektra site: hello? Why did no one mention to me before that you can get the Lie clip in Quicktime from here? How long has it been there? For those that haven't downloaded it, it's only about 20 seconds - JP's solo, then part of the chorus. You only see JP and James (why doesn't anyone ever call him 'Jimmy'? I'm calling him 'Jimmy' from now on...)
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Expecting my Seven Wonders disc in the next couple of days... I hate it when you know you're about to receive something, but you're not sure of the exact day, and when you get home from work you're always disappointed to see that it hasn't arrived...
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The Official DT Page: lets do a petition and get the band to change it to Under a Cyber Moon! Yeah! Because I've got my photo there! We can do it, brothers and sisters (and other Family members)!
That's about all. See yis around.
Spiff
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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 13:56:38 +0200 From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Song lengths Message-ID: <343A236E.3DA41206@westend.com>
Hi!
>2 things... first on a lighter note... looked at the song listing (for FII >as of a year ago...), now of course some of the songs aren't on there, but >for the one's that are... the time has gone down in every case....
The songs weren't shorted that much. Maybe they timed the demos including all pauses or something, or they were slower, whatever. Take Away My Pain and YNM were reworked, they cut LITS, and of course they cut the middle section of BMS -- which made IMHO this song a lot better! But I didn't hear any significant changes to the other songs. Maybe some drum pattern or solos or something, but that's it.
So don't be afraid that the label might have ruined some of the songs somehow.
Later,
Steffen
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:37:34 -0400 From: Nick Giannotti <N.Giannotti@COMEQUITY.COM> To: "'Fellow Rabidly Zealous Fans....'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Alan Estrada / New Judas Priest Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=Commonwealth_Equ%l=MAIL_SERVER-971007123734Z-9424@mail_server.comequity.com>
To those of you wondering how the new Judas Priest is: Tower in Burlington, MA has been giving free cassette singles of it away, and my friend picked one up. We played it in his car at a Dunkin Donuts at about 3 in the morning and I thought the Gates of Hell had been let wide open. People were walking up to us going, "THIS is Judas Priest? Man... I gotta get this...." (and yes, at 3 AM, Dunkin Donuts is a happenin' place). It's the heaviest, most evil shit I have heard in a long time - definitely NOT the Judas Priest I remember, and very close to death metal, IMO. Wild guitar tones, too. A definite buy - if you're into the heavier side of music, check it out.
I wonder if Alan Estrada is related to Erik in any way? Man, hope they don't have the same teeth! :) (I'm sorry, I couldn't resist that one....)
-Nicholas "Print is dead."
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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:58:47 -0500 From: Matt Robbins-McDaniel <cfi@disknet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Electra DT page update. Message-ID: <343A4017.758@disknet.com>
He everybody, > Elektra has updated the DT page! I shit you not! :) > > http://www.elektra.com/metal_club/dream/dream.html > > And guess what? They spelled the name WRONG in the title bar of the > browser. Imaging that...OFB can't even get their record label to spell the > damn name right! There's lots of misinformation (e.g. the discography only > lists 3 albums, the newsgroup address is still arastar, etc.), but there's a > few cute group pics of the guys. Be sure to check out the "A little bit > about us", as it's like an interview and the label's only serious attempt to > say anything (nice) at all about the boys.
Can you believe those losers at Eleckra. Not only did they misspell the name of the band at lest twice on the page (see discography, "ACOS, Produced by: Dream Theatre") but they totally left out any information about WDADU and LATM. What the hell? They also misspelled Doug's Pinnick's name in the interview portion ("Appearing on LITS is King's X vocalist Doug Pinnice"). Knowing how we (the DT fans) are frustrated with their label's B.S., can you imagine how the guy in DT must feel?
Matt
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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 08:45:23 -0400 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.bite.me> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: maturity Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19971007124523.00667a84@mail.ici.net>
> When Petrucci, or >whoever says that they think their older material is "immature," it isn't a knock >down of anybody who loves that particular style of DT/progmetal/whatever, but a >reflection of what the artist thinks when he looks back at his art.
How true. I know that backk when I was writing a lot (short stories, poetry, lyrics, etc.), I got a lot of rave reviews for some of my work. A lot of it was probably friends "blowing sunshine up my ass", so to speak, but some of it was sincere. I look back on most of the stuff I wrote then, and it looks horrible to me. I can hardly stand to read it anymore. Does that invalidate the opinions of anyone that still likes the stuff? Of course not, it just means that *I* no longer like it.
(As a side note, there's only one story I ever wrote that I actually liked for more that a couple years after it was written. It was called "The Worst Way To Die", and it was basically an excuse to see how nasty I could be to the title character - e-mail me if you want to know what the "worst way to die" was.)
So I can understand how Petrucci can feel the way he does. We're not immature if we still like the old stuff, It's just not where he is today. Anybody else remember on the Awake tour where he said they wouldn't be playing anything off of WDADU? Same deal there, IMHO. Of course, your nipples may vary.
> I'm thinking Met.2 will be like a stylistic >compilation of Dream Theater, with bits 'n pieces of WDADU, I&W, Awake, ACOS, FII, >and of course, something new and unexpected.
I don't think you'll see a stylistic "compilation" for exactly the reason I mentioned above. That's not what the band is doing now. I *do* expect something totally unexpected. :)
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 97 9:02:03 EDT From: <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng" To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: re: Italian bands Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+x7XCoA@tcx.tcco.com>
I don't know if someone has already mentioned them, but Black Jester is a pretty cool Italian progressive metal band. I got "Welcome to the Moonlight Circus" at the same time as Shadow Gallery's "Carved In Stone", so I didn't listen to it too much. But I brought it to work the other day and it's very good.
PS - Does anyone have their first CD? I think it's called "Diary of...." ???
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 08:15:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Edward Polzin <polzin@ews.uiuc.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3076 Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.971007081141.8598A-100000@glibm13.cen.uiuc.edu>
to the DT collectors out there: check out www.southlandcd.com and do a search for dream theater. there's a 3 track metal sample with tracks from FII. burning my soul, you not me, peruvian skies. just was wondering if anyone else really saw this or not. well, still looking for the BMS single. later.
Ed
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 10:00:37 -0400 From: Mark Metzger <mmetzger@bostech.com> To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Cc: "'rsterry@idirect.com'" <rsterry@idirect.com> Subject: Threshold Info Message-ID: <603838AE6912D111A2B80000C07F4C9F6CE1C9@carrier.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
>> If you are looking for something with some crunch and melody, >> Check out some Threshold stuff. I REALLY like Psychedelicatessan >> and Wounded Land is supposed to be an exceptional listen as well. >> They have a new release but I'm not certain of the title? >> >> Anyone have any info on this?
You betcha. Its either Extinct Instinct or Instinct Extinct (I think that its the former). I just got it on a recent trip to Japan but haven't had a chance to listen to it yet. I also like their live EP. Unless they have doctored it up a lot in the studio, they sound pretty decent live.
Later, Mark Metzger mmetzger@bostech.com
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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 10:45:10 -0400 From: "ÞrØgßø¥" <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Calling all stations/Fii Message-ID: <343A4AF5.2C127D2E@caribe.net>
Has it been mentioned on the jam..or has anyone noticed the similarities between both cd covers??? Color/font-wise and also on the back theres those + signs which you can also find besides kevin moore/huge erection on Fii :)
Its wierd and kinda cool..
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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 97 10:53:23 -0500 From: jpenna@trc.tosco.com To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT tour Message-ID: <9710078762.AA876236284@mailrelay.trc.tosco.com>
greetings all,
quick question/comment regarding the upcoming tour. i've been on the ticketmaster site and checked for Dream Theater. the few dates they do have are small, sardine can, general admission clubs/bars. now, i heard last year that they were gonna move up to bigger venues with reserved seating. what's the deal with them still playing these places? i think they're big enough now to fill a venue without cramming thousands of us into some phone booth. i want to see them again in the worst way, but i refuse to go to the birch hell again. how 'bout a small theater or something? like the theater under the garden? anyone have any info on this? being close to the fans is one thing, but as their fanbase grows, we fans are gonna crush each other.
thanks for the time.
--JP the mad immortal man...
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:16:54 -0500 (CDT) From: "A. Williamson" <ajwilli@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Need touring information Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95.971007111517.73488A-100000@red.weeg.uiowa.edu>
If anyone has any idea if and when DT will be playing around the midwest (Chicago, Minneapolis, Kansas City, Milwaukee) please let me know.
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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 14:21:23 -0300 From: Jose Lucas Perroni Kalil <gzr@geocities.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Tape Traders: READ THIS! Message-ID: <343A6F93.68BBE14@geocities.com>
EXTRA! EXTRA! I got the Dream Theater's videos from their visit on Brazil.
The first one has two things: The Soundcheck at the Aramaçan, Santo Andre and an autograph session. Detail about the autograph session: I appear on the video:-) The second one is the gig, in Rio de Janeiro.
The Soundcheck/ Autograph session video has 55 minutes and the gig 120 min.
Traders who are intersted in getting the videos, please e-mail me at:
See ya'
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:46:01 -0400 (EDT) From: WazooDust@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT in Cleveland !!!! Message-ID: <971007124138_321605303@emout14.mail.aol.com>
Just got out of TM's site and they just added a show in Cleveland at the Odeon on Oct 27. $18.50, call 216-747-1212 to buy ( I guess). Not to piss the other Jammers off, but I've been priveldged enough to be within 125 mi. of 2 of the first shows!!!!! I've never seen them before although I've been listening for 6 yrs. now, and found out about 2 local shows for "Awake" after the fact (F@#%,F#@%,F@#%). Any Midwest jammers going mail me and we'll get in touch for the show(s)!!!!
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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 12:57:41 -0400 From: Lauzon.Gary@ic.gc.ca (Lauzon, Gary: IHAB) To: ytsejam@ax.com ('DT') Subject: Ballads Message-ID: <1997Oct07.125457.1255.968154@msmail.ic.gc.ca>
Does anyone else on here think like me: FII has like the best friggin ballads, they always send tingles down my spine!!!
DT fucking rulez... 'nuff said!
Laters
Gary
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Date: 07 Oct 97 10:03:17 -0700 From: "Neil Evans" <NEVANS@us.oracle.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Genesis drummer Message-ID: <199710071704.KAA03000@mailseq4.us.oracle.com>
Neal Patrick Brown wrote: >Second NDTC part: the new Genesis album is a great way to fight insomnia. Seriously, I could not make myself sit down and listen to the whole thing. (I sat through The Wall! I have an attention span! ;) ) Tha t band needs a real drummer. <snip> I was under the impression that Nick D'Virgilio (sp!?), the drummer for Spock's Beard, was playing on the new Genesis album?? Can anyone confirm or refute this? Nick is a great drummer! -Neil.
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 12:56:08 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: shopping around Message-ID: <199710071754.MAA27176@Walden.MO.NET>
Man, am I ever behind on jams.
> FYI - Circuit City is selling FII for $12.99, which is two bucks less > than Best Buy. As some Motown group once sang, "Ya better shop around." > Or something like that... Really. I went to Best Buy first, saw it for $14.99, then went to an indpendently owned new/used store that had it for $13.99. Yeah, it's only a buck, but hey, it's still a buck :). And I think that was Smokey Robinson that sang that song. I could be wrong there, though.
Dale R. Newberry "People will watch anything, as long as it's dumb." -Beavis "There's a fine line between stupid and clever." -David St. Hubbins
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 13:02:28 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT comparisons Message-ID: <199710071800.NAA28334@Walden.MO.NET>
Yet another belated reply.
> Just curious if anybody else has noticed this. I'm brosing several > christian music wed-stores today and noticed that in the review of a lot > of the CD's that DT is used as a comparision. Not like, "These guys > sound like DT," but more like "If you're a DT fan, you'll like this > band's progressive metal sound." That's pretty cool IMO. Apparently the > christian music industry may be more familiar with DT than the music > industry as a whole. I don't ever recall seeing a band compared to DT in > a band review (apart from the jam & some Magna Carta releases, of > course). Has anybody else noticed this? For the curious, the bands > compared to DT that I can remember were: Metropolis (duh!), Ultimatium, > Atomic Opera, The new King James album, Sardonyx, Majesty, Liquid > Eclipse, Sea of Dreams and Veni Domine. I have noticed this, but more in magazines that cover bands like that. I haven't seen it in too many stores. And I doubt that that particular Majesty was the one that kept DT from using the name because, as far as I know, this Majesty hasn't been around that long. Anyway, HM Magazine has used DT as a reference for bands a number of times, even in interviews with bands like Tourniquet and such. A lot of the bands don't really sound like DT, but do fit inot the genre (i.e. Atomic Opera). On to other things, looks like I MAY be able to make the Chicago show. Not sure yet, but I'm going to do my damndest :).
Dale R. Newberry "People will watch anything, as long as it's dumb." -Beavis "There's a fine line between stupid and clever." -David St. Hubbins
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 14:41:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" <pmukhop@med.wayne.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3077 Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.971007143718.11803B-100000@moose>
> no place on the VT radio... yep, after 3 shows, I've been cancelled > because, "what you play doesn't fit right with the station as a > whole"....WTF???
all that, and then the football team loses to a MAC school? man, that's a bad week in Hokie-land........
Jason, tough luck on the DJ part of the above......please do send out the program director's e-mail, because I got spare pieces of my mind I've been waiting to hand out....
as for the MAC......Randy Moss for Heisman! (why don't Marshall come to Ypsi to play Eastern Michigan this year? i got friends in the press box, but I'd even pay to go see that game.....)
partha, ndtc-ing into infinity
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Date: Tue, 7 Oct 1997 11:55:26 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: READ THIS FOR TOUR INFO Message-ID: <199710071855.LAA24930@gms.gmsnet.com>
This is posted here to avoid further clutter.
Current tour dates are only from word of mouth or www.ticketmaster.com.
THERE ARE NO DATES FOR AUSTRALIA YET. They will be posted as soon as they come in. This won't happen until they start finishing up the US tour probably.
-The Doc
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Date: Tue, 07 Oct 1997 15:30:29 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Need touring information Message-ID: <199710071930.PAA27215@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
> If anyone has any idea if and when DT will be playing around the midwest > (Chicago, Minneapolis, Kansas City, Milwaukee) please let me know.
I don't mean to single this post out, but...
No one knows any more than anyone else. I'm sure that when one jammer learns *anything* about impending tour dates in your part of the world, he or she will post it here. As yet, all any of us know are the three dates on TicketShafter's page and the date in the Detroit area. Those of us that think we can are trying to contact the band, management, rsabbs, and anyone else that will tell us tour dates. So far, there has been no luck. Please be patient. -Chris
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