YTSEJAM Digest 3090
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Is that guy wearing a blouse????
by "Matt Pastor" <mdpastor@awod.com>
2) Savatage, web page
by Buck Stodgers <stodgers@nations.net>
3) Tour Dates
by "Larry McCarley" <mclarry@iwvisp.com>
4) Rot in it, monkey-sack
by Chris Ptacek <someone@prognosis.com>
5) Transcribing
by Chris Ptacek <someone@prognosis.com>
6) Re: !!!IMPORTANT DT TOUR NEWS !!!!
by Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk>
7) SDTC - A bit of this and that....
by anakata <anakata@usa.net>
8) Re: Savatage, web page
by "ÞrØgßø¥" <calfaro@caribe.net>
9) DT fell
by "ÞrØgßø¥" <calfaro@caribe.net>
10) PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!
by M_WASHKE@LVC.EDU
11) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Savatage, web page
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
12) The DT concert Web Page!
by Chris Ptacek <someone@prognosis.com>
13) free stuff
by "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" <pmukhop@med.wayne.edu>
14) All Hail the Doc!
by
15) Re: Recognition for Ytsejammers
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 18:52:20 -0400
From: "Matt Pastor" <mdpastor@awod.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Is that guy wearing a blouse????
Message-ID: <199710092255.SAA18577@sumter.awod.com>
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> From: Blevins, Mike <BlevinsM@amsc.belvoir.army.mil>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
> Subject: RE: Is that guy wearing a blouse????
> Date: Thursday, October 09, 1997 5:26 PM
>
>
> >Ok, I dont know if this has been covered yet, but heres what I hear
> >clearly on JLMB at about 1:13-1:15 in the right speaker being spoken by
> >someone....probably a band member...."Is that guy wearing a blouse?" I
> >tried to get people on irc to hear it, and they're all deaf :)....so who
> >else has heard this?
>
It sounds like a circus...guy saying "Step right up, folks." It makes
sense if you consider what James is saying overtop.
Matt P.
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Date: Sat, 04 Oct 1997 18:55:19 -0700
From: Buck Stodgers <stodgers@nations.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Savatage, web page
Message-ID: <3436F387.D47@nations.net>
Hey all!
Does anyone have info on the new Savatage? Like has it been
released in the US? I saw an import of it, but I'm less than willing to
spend $35 on these guys right now. Any info by private mail would be
appreciated!
Also, I'm making up my web page, so if anyone has any bright
ideas to contribute, let me know. Otherwise it will be another hopeless
repetition of everything else on the net. Big surprise there... Later
folks!
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 16:35:29 -0700
From: "Larry McCarley" <mclarry@iwvisp.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Tour Dates
Message-ID: <199710092337.QAA23534@odin.ax.com>
Does anyone know at which theater DT is going to be playing at in San
Diego???
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 18:45:30 -0500
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@prognosis.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rot in it, monkey-sack
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19971009234530.00d238dc@pop.enteract.com>
>> Anyway, we need to get him interacting with us again, because unlike much
>> of the band, he respected how influential we are. It irritates me that we
>The band has more respect for us than you think, particularly Mike. I think
>the problem is that their hands may be tied in expressing it.
In this respect I think the JAM is the one that's screwed up. What
makes ME angry is when Ytsejammers start saying things like "They're not
respecting us" or getting jealous over things that they're not getting and
think they should be.
The Ytsejam shouldn't be a big street gang. We're not here to exact
our will upon the band, the industry or whatever. If you want to make a
list designed to change the fuckery going on in the music industry, I'll be
happy to join and discuss that there, but this is not that forum. I get mad
when people act like the band owes us something special just because we're
Ytsejammers. We helped get ACoS released... we made our voices heard with
the petition... but beyond that, we're just a bunch of Dream Theater fans
(and some really fucked up YtseStalkers who I'm sure the world could do
without).
>]From what I can tell, that's not 100% accurate. Now, I'm not sure, so don't
>take this as infallible, but I *THINK* that Elektra had just scheduled some
>studio time for DT when they received the petition.
What we do know for sure is that they got the Petition AFTER they
were scheduled for a meeting with Elektra. That means they were gonna go
into the studio anyways. We merely showed our support, and that's more than
enough for me.
>> James when introducing ACOS, and even then he sounds a bit sarcastic.
>> We're the real fan club, but who gets the fucking Christmas CD? Not us.
Grrrrrr!!!! How the fuck much money did you pay to join this list?
Those things cost MONEY to make. Skadz is donating a service to us for
FREE. If you want to bitch about not getting shit, bitch to Skadz (who will
eat you alive) or do something to get the Ytsejam affiliated with the label
so they will fund expenditures like that. Don't bitch about not getting
anything. The fucking digest is what you get, and if that ain't good
enough, unsub.
>only evident on bootlegs, or something. I don't know why James is so
>anti-Ytsejam, anti-Internet, but it's starting to piss me off.
If he IS anti Ytsejam, it's because we're not always a good fun
loving group. Some of us do some really uncool things (YtseStalking....
leave the fucking band alone!) ... (And the management!). The members of
the band as a whole may not understand that we're a very amorphous group,
and this medium can be very volatile. Overall, we're very good... but
without ever being on a 1000 member mailing list, the band my not appreciate
why things get ugly sometimes. They're the glue that holds this together as
one of the best musical discussions in the world.
>Maybe, but that's not the point. How many pages of names were dropped off
>on East/West's doorstep? Not one word about the Ytsejam in FII. I think
>that's unacceptable.
I have to wonder if it was intentional. In truth, I think it was
just because they didn't have much space to allow for extra thanks here and
there... but I wonder if the guys didn't do it on purpose to see who would
bitch. They don't owe us anything, but they will give you thanks if you
meet them. They appreciate you buying the album. They appreciate you going
to the shows. I know they're glad we like the music. But why do we deserve
such special treatment? We're not elite... we just discuss the band on a
convenient medium, through which we can accomplish things more easily than
we could over the phone, or elsewhere. If you knew 900 Fates Warning fans
in your city, you could -try- to get them all to signa petition to get them
back out on tour at bigger venues... but we HAVE 900 people are sitting here
ready to point and click their names into little boxes if it will get them
an album sooner.
When the petition was made, the group involved decided that they
wanted as little recognition as possible for organizing it. They agreed
that they would refuse any offering of "thanks" other than a handshake, if
one were offered. It was done because they are fans of the band, and want
to show their support. Why it should be any different for the members of
the list, is beyond me.
>Fuck the fan club. We have over 1000 people talking about Dream Theater
>every single day of the year, including Christmas. Now that's a fan club.
>I don't need to send someone my $15 to hear about DT 4 times a year.
Then don't reap the benefits of being a member of the fanclub.
Since this list is not affiliated with Elektra or the management in _any_
way, THIS IS NOT THE FUCKING FANCLUB. If it were the fanclub, we'd have
maybe 10 letters from jammers every other month, and the rest would be Fan
Club personnel relating DT news. The label wouldn't pay for us to discuss
the band, and it wouldn't be right to reserve this status for only the
computer owners and internet literate.
>We used to be the shit. The guys showing up at Ytsecon I, the IRC session
>with JM and MP, C-man having contests and sending us cool promotional shit.
> I even had another E/W rep send me a bunch of shit once, because I bitched
>about Scarred not being on the Awake cassette. We were appreciated back
>then. Now, we can't even get a fucking 'Thank You'.
Maybe you'd accept a "FUCK YOU" instead? Are you an only child? I
don't know how you got so spoiled... "I bitched, so they gave me stuff"...
that's not reality. Maybe it was for a little while. I bet there's no one
who appreciates what you're saying any less than the band or the label.
Except maybe me. You make me sick.
- CWP
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 18:59:54 -0500
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@prognosis.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Transcribing
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19971009235954.00d19bc0@pop.enteract.com>
>From: "John Gilbert" <cosmicsea@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Transcribing
>
>Anyone working on transcribing any of the new songs? Does anyone want to
>do a transcription jointly? Or start working on some, even though
>chances are, there will be a tab book out.....
I am halfway done transcribing Deep in Heaven for 6 string (Which is
what it's played on... I note that mainly because I tend to play 7 string
for everything, and found some benefits to using it for this solo, in fact).
I will donate it to the UACM page when I'm done, if Itchy wants it. If you
or anyone else wants to drop me an e-mail, I will mail you my finished
product. I am using Bucket O' Tab (Which you can dl from my FTP at
ftp://ftp.prognosis.com for now, though I am not a permanent distributor)
and it's not easy to mark note values, so you'll really need to have your cd
with you when you're learning it.
If anyone wants to do the rest of ToT, we can put em together. I
may also transcribe the keyboard solo for guitar, but you'd better be a
tapping/legato bad ass if you wanna play it. Also, I've learned, but not
Tabbed LitS, if any 7 stringers want it.
Christopher W. Ptacek
IRC: Madsman
Tech Support
EnterAct, L.L.C.
http://www.enteract.com
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
"You can be a dreamer
You can be your dream come true
Let imagination lead
Reality will follow through" - Michael Hedges
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 22:46:52 +0100
From: Gary Cleghorn <gary@tequila.demon.co.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: !!!IMPORTANT DT TOUR NEWS !!!!
Message-ID: <WCiN+KAMDVP0EwjC@tequila.demon.co.uk>
In article <m0xJK1K-001YSAC@helium.tip.nl>, "D. Schoen"
<denis.schoen@tip.nl> writes
>
>Hey jammers !!!
>
>We (Theaters Of Dreams-official dutch DT FC) have just heard (officially
>from Mojo -concerts) that Dream Theater will play one gig at the Maaspoort
>, Den Bosch, Holland !!!!. This event will take place on 3 December (this
>year) !!! There is also a (good) possibility that Dream Theater will play
>at the Biskuithalle in Bonn (Germany) (December the 4th)
>Our readers will get more info as soon as we put a mailing together.
>
>Denis/TOD Holland
WHAT! I don't fucking believe this, i'll be in Holland on the 28th
Nov to Dec 1st staying in DEN BOSCH .
Somebody get on the phone and get them to change the
date.NOW!!!!!!!
<Scream mode> ARRRRRRGGGGGG
--
Gary Cleghorn
Ytsejam Photo Gallery at http://www.tequila.demon.co.uk/
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 97 20:11:46 -0400
From: anakata <anakata@usa.net>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: SDTC - A bit of this and that....
Message-ID: <19971010001007.21004.qmail@dns01.ops.usa.net>
Hi fellows.....
I just thought I would write again to say a few notes....(Not musical
notes though)..
DT - Notes
1: Best songs on FII are to me.....Hollow Years and Peruvian
Skies...(Kill me if I suck on that) =)
2: It was about time James stopped his barking. He cannot do it live
anyway so why bother on CD???
3: Has anyone got any news about the European tourdates or something???
Some other Notes:
1: I have been able to get a copy each of Sanctuarys (Now called
Nevermore if you did not know) two albums....
"Refugee Denied" and "Into the mirror". Those are long awaited I
tell ya.....!!!
2: Anyone into Psychotic Waltz and Shadow Gallery?? I would be happy to
know if any boots are available for
buying....I have just one PW boot video.....It is great though!!!
3: The new Savatage album "The Wake Of Magellan" is AWESOME!!! If you
have not already...Buy it!!!
4: I have started a Savatage Webring on my Savatage Tribute page.....Join
it will ya......Go to
http://hem.passagen.se/nanne/ring.html for joining
instructions........
Ok....That was it for now........See ya around folks.......
Nanne
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"Faded, faded, fell from the sky below.
Faded, faded, from the sky you know.
Hover, hummingbird, UFO, beautiful."
(Psychotic Waltz)
savafan@usa.net
http://hem.passagen.se/nanne
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 20:24:05 -0400
From: "ÞrØgßø¥" <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Savatage, web page
Message-ID: <343D75A5.BDE4DC6A@caribe.net>
Buck Stodgers wrote:
> Hey all!
> Does anyone have info on the new Savatage? Like has it been
> released in the US? I saw an import of it, but I'm less than willing to
> spend $35 on these guys right now. Any info by private mail would be
> appreciated!
>
I dont know... i just bought it here (puerto rico) for 20 bux, also it
rules..(its my first 'tage cd...) I also bought Dead winter dead with it..
they both rule!
In the stream of consciousness
There is a river crying
Living comes much easier
Once we admit , We're dying.
Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:progboy@mindless.com
Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 20:42:52 -0400
From: "ÞrØgßø¥" <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT fell
Message-ID: <343D7A0B.50430490@caribe.net>
Dt fell out of the top 100 on the charts.. at least in the website
...so i guess its the same thing!.....damn this sucks
--
In the stream of consciousness
There is a river crying
Living comes much easier
Once we admit , We're dying.
Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:progboy@mindless.com
Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 20:49:58 -0400 (EDT)
From: M_WASHKE@LVC.EDU
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <971009204958.f8596@LVC.EDU>
EVERYBODY!,
Due to me being extremely busy, I have very little time to read posts
on the digest. For this I apologize. Because of this, I missed any posts that
that may have listed the DT tour dates. I know they are supposed to do the
Christmas shows again this year. If you know the dates, or a place where I can
positively get them, please e-mail me privately. Don't think that someone else
reading the post will mail me, because they wont. Last time I asked, all I got
was someone else writing me, asking me to fill them in if they found out. I've
helped out many people in this community with many things over the past few
years that I have been on. If someone could please return the favor, I would
be indebted to them. I checked all over the web and I have come up empty
handed. Please Help!!!!!
Mike Washkevich
Currently in CD player: Pat Martino "All Sides Now"
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 11:01:54 +1000
From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Savatage, web page
Message-ID: <4A25652C.0004E412.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
I believe that 'tWoM' won't be released in the US untill January next year,
have a look at the Savatage web site, there is some info about the reason
for the delay. The TSO CD is getting re-released and a push from the record
company, so they don't want the new Savatage to interfere with the
potentail sales of TSO.
Great logic, huh ?
Yeah the new album is great, reminds me of a heavier version of Styx for
some reason.
gRaham_
calfaro@caribe.net on 10/10/97 10:36:11 AM
Please respond to ytsejam@ax.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
cc: (bcc: Graham Boyle/NRC/HMAS WATSON/NAVY/AU)
Subject: Re: Savatage, web page
Buck Stodgers wrote:
> Hey all!
> Does anyone have info on the new Savatage? Like has it been
> released in the US? I saw an import of it, but I'm less than willing to
> spend $35 on these guys right now. Any info by private mail would be
> appreciated!
>
I dont know... i just bought it here (puerto rico) for 20 bux, also it
rules..(its my first 'tage cd...) I also bought Dead winter dead with it..
they both rule!
In the stream of consciousness
There is a river crying
Living comes much easier
Once we admit , We're dying.
Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand
http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro
mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:progboy@mindless.com
Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 20:09:02 -0500
From: Chris Ptacek <someone@prognosis.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The DT concert Web Page!
Message-ID: <2.2.32.19971010010902.0073b37c@pop.enteract.com>
>From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
>I agree that it's an excellent idea. Here's the url:
>http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/3771/dt.html. Just remember that
>someone will forget to sign up, so look for shirts at the show!
Wow!!! Cool! I didn't even have to make it! Everyone, take a moment to
visit this URL and sign in, so you can hook up with other Ytsejammers!
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Alley/3771/dt.html
With permission, I may mirror this list with a link to this page, to sign
in. That URL's a bitch! :) EVERYONE SIGN UP!
Christopher W. Ptacek
IRC: Madsman
Tech Support
EnterAct, L.L.C.
http://www.enteract.com
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
"You can be a dreamer
You can be your dream come true
Let imagination lead
Reality will follow through" - Michael Hedges
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:19:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" <pmukhop@med.wayne.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: free stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.971009211431.4979C-100000@moose>
ok, that might have caught some attention......
free stuff for real.....
Nitro "OFR" MICHAEL.ANGELO. and the boys.....first one to e-mail
gets it......right after my tapeswap obligations are up, or until those
folks tell me they're not interested in hearing it......
free stuff for fake.....
There is a site at www.sportsim.com that is offering a FREE fantasy
football game......it only goes for the half season, (seeing as how the
nfl season is nearly half gone).........
and I just went and set up a league called "Pojammers" (poor jammers, for
those of us too cheap to pay ESPN 29.95) with a password "majesty"
(lose the quotes, as usual........)
need about 8 souls to fill this gang out, won't you join me?
partha sarathi mukhopadhyay
remember, the operative word is FREE!
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 21:08:41 EDT
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: All Hail the Doc!
Message-ID: <199710100110.SAA24413@odin.ax.com>
Hey!
Just wanted to give mad propers to the Doc for putting "Cover My Eyes" on his
web page! I love this song!
Hey Doc, would you perchance have any other of the unreleased demo tracks you
may be wanting to put on your page in MP3 format as well? BIG hint... :-)
How do you get your hands on such material? Where do you GET such wonderful
toys? :-D
Laterz... Matt T.
NP: 'Tallica "Seek and Destroy"
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Date: Thu, 09 Oct 1997 21:29:32 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Recognition for Ytsejammers
Message-ID: <199710100129.VAA29521@tx.cs.wm.edu>
> Ytsejam already gets plenty of recognition. It' sthe only list I know of
> that is commonly referred to as "That bunch of opinionated assholes..."
Don't you mean nipple-ated assholes? (Now isn't *that* a lovely mental image?
:)
> OK, end of bitch. Anyone know any tour dates? :)
Why I oughta... :)
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