YTSEJAM Digest 3094
Today's Topics:
1) New On List / DT in LA Nov 12
by "James Garrett"<james.garrett@tekelec.com>
2) Re: UK tour
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
3) who da fanclub
by psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan)
4) Re: Falling into maturity?
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
5) UK fan club
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
6) Re: Stuff
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
7) Re: Angra mailing list
by "Sousa" <zombie@mail.telepac.pt>
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3093
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
9) seven wonders!
by Chip Alexander <stckarnd@usa.net>
10) Status Seekers
by Chris Ptacek <someone@prognosis.com>
11) Is it just me or what?
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
12) Blouse???
by "John Gilbert" <cosmicsea@hotmail.com>
13) Musical tastes 'n schtuff
by eckie@asu.edu
14) Is that guy wearing a blouse???
by Chris Daley <cdaley@gmu.edu>
15) Ambush
by <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng"
16) Re: Status Seekers
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
17) Re: DT in St. Louis
by "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET>
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 08:58:01 -0700
From: "James Garrett"<james.garrett@tekelec.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: New On List / DT in LA Nov 12
Message-ID: <8825652C.00574CEA.00@domino1.ca.tekelec.com>
Hey All,
I'm new on the list (I was on it a couple of years ago, but with the new CD
I thought I'd see what going on). My name is James and I like DT and that's
all that really matters.
But more importantly, (sorry if this has been reported already)--
Dream Theater at the House of Blues in Hollywood on November 12! Tickets
$20.
For info see the ticketmaster web page http://www.ticketmaster.com
If this is old news then--nevermind.
james g
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:17:50 +0100 (BST)
From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: UK tour
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.26-1010161750-0b0rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
> From: Andrew Moore <asmoore@bridge.anglia.ac.uk>
>
> I only got into DT in Aug. 93 when I heard Surrounded (LATM vers) on the
> Metal CD magazine free disc. So I was probably unaware of the tours at
> that point.
I only heard PMU literally one week before they played in Glasgow. Lucky
timing, I think. :-)
> How did the tours go then? Packed out? No-one turn up? Mabye that's why
> they can't be arsed to tour the UK again.
I was actually pleasantly surprised at the turnout. The Glasgow venue
was small (100-200 people), but thoroughly packed. This was the I&W tour.
Then later in the year (November 1993), they played to probably 400-500
people in Edinburgh . . . also very busy. I spoke to a few people who had
come up from England just for the show.
I honestly believe that if Dream Theater were to tour the UK this
time around, they'd have absolutely no problem filling up the "usual"
small-medium venues (Nottingham Rock City, Glasgow Garage or Barrowlands,
etc.).
Still, even just releasing the album is a step in the right direction! :-)
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889------------------------------
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:30:01 -0400 From: psull@ici.net (Pat Sullivan) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: who da fanclub Message-ID: <199710101626.MAA03541@kira.ici.net>
>But I can't >get any of you to agree with me. Maybe most of you haven't been on here >long enough to remember the days when the ytsejam always had a leg up on >anyone else. I don't feel that's the case anymore, and my posts were >supposed to muster the enthusiasm to get us back to that status. If you're >not interested in that, then I have to say that I'm surprised and >disappointed.
If that was your intention, then I think your message got buried in what came across to a lot of people as whiny sniveling. I think most people like the idea that this list, as a group, has had an influence on both the band and the label. The recognition was nice, but frankly, not something I need for my resume. :)
You don't think this list has a "leg up" on everyone else? Tell me the last place you got a piece of vital DT info that wasn't on here. One on the fanclub fanzines is about the only place I can think of that *might* have an advantage. Other than that, if *we* don't know about it, it ain't real. :)
Strictly speaking, yes, you can consider this list just another DT "fan club". But assuming that was your point, your post(s) came across as "How come that fan club gets better stuff that this one?", and the reason is - because they paid for it.
>That's it. It was never really about the $15, but the recognition.
If your motivation is recognition, then a fan club/mailing list is not the way to go about it. The reality is, no matter how *you* may think of it, the fan club/this list is nothing more than a bunch of people (fans). If you think that that's reason enough to warrant a special "hey thanks" from *anyone*, then you're deluding yourself.
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_____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________________ E-mail: remove "X"'s to reply IRC: DDictator WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html NP: Dream Theater - "Falling Into Infinity" ______________________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 17:59:35 +0200 From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Falling into maturity? Message-ID: <343E50E7.49A@Netvision.net.il>
Barbara Schnepf wrote:
> listeners. If an Eros Ramazotti song does make someone feel the same way we > feel when listening to Trial of Tears - so where is the difference? Let's face > it: there is no difference.
There's one difference:
The way I see it, there are two groups of musical stuff: The ones that you'll hear in eMpTyV and the ones you won't.
The first group includes rap, techno, pop - all "dancy" music, which is The first group is classical music, jazz, metal and prog. This is why i'd rather listen to a Bach piece than to a techno song. (in fact I love bach).
Laterz,
-- Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM
"I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit." - Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction
"How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy
Visit my home page at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:09:34 +0200 From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: UK fan club Message-ID: <343E533E.7B25@Netvision.net.il>
Hey there!
Can anyone send me the e-mail address of the guy who runs the UK fan club?
Thanx, -- Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM
"I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit." - Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction
"How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy
Visit my home page at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 18:34:24 +0200 From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Stuff Message-ID: <343E5910.7CC5@Netvision.net.il>
Ooops.....
This was supposed to be a mail to skadz.....
sorry.... -- Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM
"I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit." - Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction
"How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy
Visit my home page at http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 15:43:12 +0100 From: "Sousa" <zombie@mail.telepac.pt> To: <CNG@tcco.com>, <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Angra mailing list Message-ID: <19971010173614.AAA17305@host.telepac.pt>
> >Anyone can tell me if there is any Angra Mailing list. > > > >Go to the Reaching Horizons Home Page at > >http://www.regra.com.br/mucica/angra/angra.htm > >and you can subscibe there. > > Is anyone on the Angra mailing list? I've subscribed three times (with my > work and also my AOL accounts) and still haven't gotten anything. Thanks
Yes there is. I'm one of them, but it isn't very active. I'm who sends more mensages to there, recently I sent a mail saying that I'll go to Gamma Ray concert, well the concert was at 5/10, did you receive that one? If you don't maybe your aren't subscribe.
Bye
Antonio Sousa
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:46:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3093 Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.971010124200.50708B-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Fri, 10 Oct 1997 ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> Some differences in TAMP demo:
Man, I gotta hear this.
> It's Atlantic. They've been doing this shit for years...
Tell me about it :)
DT's record label RELEASED their CD, > is scheduling tour dates for them, and hasn't dropped them. If you ask me, > that's PRETTY damn good.
Not to be picky, rarely do labels schedual tour dates. That's the job of the agent.
Richie
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:03:26 -0700 From: Chip Alexander <stckarnd@usa.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: seven wonders! Message-ID: <343E7BFE.2842@usa.net>
Hi all,
Just wanted to put in my two cents about how kick ass Ryan Whitaker's Seven Wonders disc is. It was well worth the measly $22 that he asked for it. The quality is excellent, and the artwork and liner notes are first rate.
Chip
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:08:29 -0500 From: Chris Ptacek <someone@prognosis.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Status Seekers Message-ID: <2.2.32.19971010170829.00762f88@pop.enteract.com>
>From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> >Subject: Re: gratitude
>After seeing about 1000 of these types of replies to my posts, I must >question what I wrote, or what you're reading.
Or maybe we should question reading what you wrote? Or maybe you should read what you wrote? :) Who knows who writes about what's wrong, when what you wrote may not be read right? (Okay, /Dr. Seuss mode off) Don't bother trying to find the logic in that sentence... it eludes even its author.
>You guys are seriously missing the point. Sure, I can afford $15.
Hmm... no. There are very few times when you can actually say "You're missing the point" in an agrument like this. You may have misrepresented yourself, but that's your fault. The $15 dollars isn't what's pissing people off anyways.
>yeah, I'll probably join the fan club just to get this year's little bonus. > The real point however, is that I feel we are the fan club.
Bzzzt. We're the Ytsejam mailing list. You need to understand that not all of the Dream Theater fans have computers or internet access. Just because there's a lot of us, and we can organize easily because we're all on the net and only have to point and click to get things done, doesn't mean we're any more special than other Dream Theater fans, and the band, management, and label should NOT show us any preferential treatment. That's bogus. We have no ties to Dream Theater, as a group, other than that we're all fans. That means that the only difference between us and the rest of DT's fans is a few microchips and some copper wire.
>But I can't get any of you to agree with me. Maybe most of you haven't been >on here long enough to remember the days when the ytsejam always had >a leg up on anyone else.
Bzzzt. I've been on the jam since Arastar. This "Leg up on everyone else" bullshit is just amazing though. Why do you want to put yourself, and the rest of the Ytsejam above other Dream Theater fans? That reeks of greed and selfishness. Any info we have should be spread. The band doesn't gain anything from us finding out things and keeping them a secret for only the Ytsejammers. We're just another link in the chain of communication, and what we learn comes from some source that's not "Ytse-Related". At some point, whatever information anyone on this list has shared with us had to come from a source beyond the Ytsejam.
> I don't feel that's the case anymore, and my posts were supposed to >muster the enthusiasm to get us back to that status. If you're not >interested in that, then I have to say that I'm surprised and disappointed.
Status. WHY? This is such superficial reasoning. The jam is enthusiastic about the new music and the tour. If you want to boost that enthusiasm, do something creative. Don't bitch about the Fan Club, and why we're not the official fan club, and why we're not getting special treatment anymore. I don't have the patience for that kind of greed. The music belongs to the band and the fans, not to specialized groups. Everyone should have equal access to the music Dream Theater makes available.
>That's it. It was never really about the $15, but the recognition.
That's just it though... some of us aren't motivated by such shallow goals. I guarantee the band recognizes the Ytsejammers. They may run from you if you wear a Ytsejam shirt backstage at one of the shows. I just don't know how you can justify asking for a higher recognition than any other DT fan. Don't be the Status Seeker.
I'm sorry I was so pissed off in my last post regarding this issue. I've just had two tragedies in my family this week, and I'm pretty explosive.
- CWP
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 12:21:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Is it just me or what? Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.971010121659.59054L-100000@academ07.mty.itesm.mx>
Is anyone a little bothered by some of Dominici s vocals on WDADU? I mean, i like the songs he sings that Labrie hasnt sung yet. Example: I find the vocals annoying in Killing hand, and a fortune in lies, but not the other songs. In TKH Dominici rushes some lines and sometime his voice falls out. Has anyone else noted this, or is it just me? Mauricio
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:25:57 PDT From: "John Gilbert" <cosmicsea@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Blouse??? Message-ID: <199710101725.KAA02383@f85.hotmail.com>
>>Ok, I dont know if this has been covered yet, but heres what I hear >>clearly on JLMB at about 1:13-1:15 in the right speaker being spoken by >>someone....probably a band member...."Is that guy wearing a blouse?" I >>tried to get people on irc to hear it, and they're all deaf :)....so who >>else has heard this?
>But the question is, are YOU waering a blouse? :)
>No, I don't hear it - I'll try it really loud tonight...
>Mike
Yeah- I am wearing a blouse, but atleast I'm not legally deaf!
j/k ;)
John Gilbert jg on irc.dreamt.org http://home1.gte.net/mawyatt
"Radio can go and suck my ass" - James Labrie
"You steriod pussy freak" -Phil Anselmo
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 10:31:19 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Musical tastes 'n schtuff Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.971010095303.18288A-100000@general1.asu.edu>
Let's see if THIS email makes it thru ASU's server....
Last year when I lived in the dorms, I was surrounded by so many people who I thought were just tasteless when it came to their musical preferences. Half of the people I ran into didn't even know what a quarter note was, let alone what it felt like to play an actual instrument. Smashing Pumpkins, Garbage, and 311 were all constantly blared through some of my neighbors' rooms (while I utilized my roomie's stereo system to dominate the floor with DT and Metallica, but that's beside the point....).
Anyhoo, from my experiences, people either just didn't understand anything about music and bought their CD's 'cuz they heard a track on the radio and they liked it, or they enjoyed dancing to the monotonous boomp bomp of techno/house music, some people had Hendrix and Floyd collections stacked right next to their bongs and stashes, and others didn't bother listening to music 'cuz they were too busy studying. Let's face it, if you've been on this list for any amount of time, then you're probably a prog-activist by now. It's like a disease, once somebody suggests a cool band like Tourniquet (GED DO THESE GUYS RULE!!!!!!!), somebody else starts suggesting other great bands like Symphony X, Angra, and maybe even turn you onto another genre, tangent to Dream Theater's, like fusion or jazz (Must buy some Tribal Tech...muahahaha).
The difference between the outsiders (heh heh, funny how _I'm_ usin' that word to describe pop culture) is plainly, no matter which way you turn/flip/pop/squeeze/fling/squish it, our musical preferences. Not everybody wants a heavy guitar crashing into their music, not everybody wants even so much as a complicated drum track. Flip around your radio, and while the music/noise/sounds you hear are broadcasted because of some money deal between the radio, the record companies, and the sponsors, the reason that there are so many different channels is plainly because, not everybody likes progressive metal.
Sure, it may be a bit narrow minded to us when somebody refers to DT as plain noise, and as much knowledge over the powers and schematics of music that you may hold over the critic, he/she's entitled to that opinion. Besides, it's always funny to see people stick their foots in their mouths, slammin' something because they just don't understand it. A lot of people were callin' The Jimi Hendrix experience drug-induced nonsense way back when (or so I've read/heard), but now everybody reveres him (partly thanks to the friggin' Guitar mags that continue to put him on the friggin' cover) as one of the most creative musical talents that ever graced a fretboard. THe "metal critic" for Guitar thought of Metallica's first album as a bunch of lawnmowers and chainsaws bein' thrown onto tape, saying, "These guys aren't going anywhere with this."
The differences in taste are all good 'n fine with me, I have no problem with that. It's the apathy towards learning about anything before making music that ruffles my feathers. In all the arts, I find it really pitiful to see an artist create something "expressive," and then not be able explain it themselves.
I do agree though, there is a distinction between "good" and "bad" music, and that can only be made by the individual listener, you, me, your rap-loving brother; it's when the music is inspirational in a way that touches your soul.
I just don't understand how singing about sex and getting laid by a bunch of ho's can do that to anybody....
"Metal is like black coffee; it's too strong for most people, but those who drink it wouldn't have it any other way." -I forgot who said this, but it's cool
~Eckie the long winded
P.S.- if you've gotten this far, GO OUTSIDE! DO SOMETHING! >;)
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 13:42:14 -0400 From: Chris Daley <cdaley@gmu.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Is that guy wearing a blouse??? Message-ID: <3.0.32.19971010134211.007c28f0@mason.gmu.edu>
I don't know who asked the original question...but on JLMB at around 1:13, the sample is echoing what James had just sung, "Step right up folks" I'm sorry if this question has already been answered... but atleast this message is short, right? :> Chris.
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 97 13:53:11 EDT From: <CNG@tcco.com> "Chung Ng" To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Ambush Message-ID: <vines.3hH8+ahaDoA@tcx.tcco.com>
I just picked up a Southern California magazine called BAM and I saw an ad for a show featuring the band AMBUSH. Does anyone know what they sound like? They look a lot like the old Crimson Glory - big hair, cool masks, etc... If they sound anything like Crimson Glory, I'd like to get their CD(s).
Thanks
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Date: Fri, 10 Oct 1997 14:15:25 -0400 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Status Seekers Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19971010141525.0114de50@sol.eng.fore.com>
I want to let it be known that Chris and I have been crossing emails (some private), and that I consider it all water under the bridge. He threw some nasty personal attacks at me publicly, as did a few other people, namely Graham. But after calming down and weeding through the insults for the relevant information, it's become obvious that it was me who blew up first, and got really bitchy about the subject, and in turn, didn't post very intelligently. I stand by my point of view, but it looks pretty obvious that I'm the minority here now.
KAI
> That's just it though... some of us aren't motivated by such shallow >goals. I guarantee the band recognizes the Ytsejammers. They may run from >you if you wear a Ytsejam shirt backstage at one of the shows. I just don't >know how you can justify asking for a higher recognition than any other DT >fan. Don't be the Status Seeker. > > I'm sorry I was so pissed off in my last post regarding this issue. >I've just had two tragedies in my family this week, and I'm pretty explosive. > >- CWP > >
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 1997 19:56:48 +0000 From: "Dale R. Newberry" <Dale.R.Newberry@MO.NET> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT in St. Louis Message-ID: <199710101834.NAA21230@Walden.MO.NET>
> They could play at Mississippi Nights and to the > best of my knowledge, most, if not all, shows > there do allow under 21 people in, you just have > to sit in a restricted area (no booze!!) I would expect them to most likely play Mississippi Nights, which is generally all ages (before midnight). The restricted area there is actually farther away from the stage, so even if you are under 21, it's no big deal. I would rather see them play the American Theatre (that's the right spelling for the venue :), though.
> And to make one little point, it's not "if DT > plays StL", it had better be "WHEN DT plays StL." Damn straight. I'll probably be going to the Chicago show, but they damn well better play St. Louis, or I'm gonna hafta put the smack down on somebody's ass :).
Dale R. Newberry "People think I'm insane because I am frowning all the time." - Ozzy Osbourne
"Bein' crazy is the least of my worries." -Jack Kerouac
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