YTSEJAM Digest 2950
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Elektra's Web Site
by "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
2) FII Promo CD and Web sites
by Matt Mommaerts <mattymo@inxpress.net>
3) Answering Clark and the "Pure Art"
by "alves" <kalves@nutecnet.com.br>
4) To Pat Daughtery regarding the Fates Single
by Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
5) What kind of cock is this?
by Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
6) Re: Pure art
by Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
7) Re: FII, Rush, Floyd, etc. etc...
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
8) DT FII LYRICS/MASTERMIND
by "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
9) DT in listening Stations
by "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
10) KUPD in Phoenix
by "Brian Reeves" <ytsejammer2@worldnet.att.net>
11) Elektra web site...
by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
12) Lyrics and Rhyming
by "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
13) DT, popularity and other such ramblings
by "Chad L. Cook" <ccook@bbn.com>
14) Opeth, DT
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 19:35:28 -0600
From: "Korg Eksthrey" <KorgX3@cyberhighway.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Elektra's Web Site
Message-ID: <199709090142.SAA10421@odin.ax.com>
>Speaking of Elektra's web site, I can't even find any mention of DT's new
>album on their DT page. I don't know how much care they take in
>maintaining their site, however, since they still have a link to my Dream
>Theater page that's been down for 2 years now.
Hahah... They still have a gopher link up there, too. Something I
haven't seen for a longass time. I remember gopher'ing everywhere on the
net back in college. heheh. Oh, well. I also noticed they have an
advertisement for a contest that ended over a week ago on their front
page. (The Pantera Contest). What lamers. <sarcasm>But then, all men
know that Motley Crue kicks Dream Theater's ass anyday!</sarcasm>
Take care folks, and have a great weekend!
KorgX3
KorgX3@cyberhighway.net
http://www.cyberhighway.net/~korgx3/Enchant.htm - KorgX3's Enchant Page!
Yay!
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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 20:52:48 -0500
From: Matt Mommaerts <mattymo@inxpress.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FII Promo CD and Web sites
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970908205248.008c1a20@inxpress.net>
Well, first off... Elektra's web site...Web sites are the LAST thing a non
internet-based business updates or cares about. I work at a TV station,
and our web site sucks, and no one cares...it's what's on the air that
matters. Elektra will do the retail and radio promotion (that's what
matters) and then worry about the web site, only us cool people with
computers and a good taste in music care about it, and if we want info on
DT, we go to the webring, or the official site, right? People that want to
buy the CD will go to the store and look at it and if it's a cool store,
listen to it, not read some crap that the record company controls. Yea,
it'd be cool if it were updated, but hey, all the other band's stuff is
probably outdated on their site too.
(or whatever... just my opinion to the above)
I got my promo advance copy of FII on Friday, and then had to take a 2 hour
drive, what a great way to listen to a CD for the first time... heehee
sounds great! and I'm STILL Listening to it. My faves are LITS and JLMB.
I'll spare you from the review... it just rules, that's all I'm gonna say.
This is what the back of the Jewel Box says... (get out your Thesaurus,
whoever wrote this likes adjectives)
With their epic songs and dazzling virtuousity, Dream Theater have earned a
reputaion as *the* progressive band of the '90's. Their spectacular
instrumental prowess and passionate vision have pushed the boundaries of
composition and performance to dizzying new heights. Over two albums, an
EP and countless tour dates, Dream Theater have built a rabidly zealous
following, selling gold and filling concert venues worldwide.
Their new album *Falling Into Infinity* shows the band to be in top form,
wrapping their superb musicianship around a set of smart, solidly crafted
rock that is their most accessible yet. The album was produced by Kevin
Shirley, who has worked on hits by Aerosmith and Silverchair. All the
songs were written by the band except "You Not Me," which was written by
Dream Theater and Desmond Child. The song "Lines In The Sand" features
guest vocals by Doug Pinnick of King's X.
Dream Theater will tour soon after the album's release.
"Burning My Soul" is the first single from *Falling Into Infinity*
that's all folks!
Matt
mattymo@fox47.com
mattymo@inxpress.net
Personal Home Page: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo
WORT-FM Mosh Pit page: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo/moshpit
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 22:55:42 -0300
From: "alves" <kalves@nutecnet.com.br>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Answering Clark and the "Pure Art"
Message-ID: <199709090200.CAA03105@srv3-sao.sao.nutecnet.com.br>
Clark Abel wrote:
>But when the lyrics to .
>music start including direct references to current pop culture, it loses
any
>sense of timelessness, and as a result, any possibility of being "pure
art" to
>me. "Pure art", I suppose, would be music written purely for the sake of
the
>music. Maybe this is why I generally gravitate towards instrumental music,
>because lyrics always seem to me to ruin any timeless quality the music
may
>have. But this is one thing I've always really liked about DT, is that the
>lyrics were art, too, as timeless as the music.
Hi Clark,
You said youīd like to continue this discussion, so here we go..
I donīt agree with your point of view, but I respect it. I have to
congratulate you on your welldone arguments, youīve almost conviced me.
But my opinion is still the same, and itīs the following:
I think this question is about TASTE, and not if itīs "pure art" or if
itīs not.
The question of being subjective or objective, abstract or realistic, to
use simbolism or to go straight to the point, does not define if any
piece is art or not. These factors define the STYLE of a piece, of an
artist and even of an age. Actually, the history of art is marked by
the up&down of those factors.
The Barroque was full of ornaments, religiosity, contrasts,
subjectivity. The Classicism was replet of light, rationalism,
objectivity, beauty. Another time, the Romantic era bring back the
subjetivism, mixed with simbolism, passion and pain. And again, to beat
the era of the dreamers, born a more realistic art, with a lot of
criticism and objectivity. And it goes on and on and on......
During all this time, several fantastic men create MASTERPIECES in
styles that could be completely diferent. And among these
masterpieces, a lot of them contains HISTORICAL REFERENCES, tell or
show CONCRETE FACTS, have pointless references to facts of its AGES. And
they are not dated because of this. Itīs just a style to express yourself.
What I want to say itīs that these artworks transmit TIMELESS ideas
and feelings by telling or showing concrete facts. Shakespeare showed
off the deepest feelings of men telling stories, with a lot of
historical and pointing references, and not by saying free words about
feelings. Tolstoi, Dostoievsky, Victor Hugo, and many others tell their
stories behind a strong historical context with lots of pointing
critics about their days. They did, besides artworks, portraits of their
ages. In this
kind of art you can realize the timeless ideas, the message, the
feeling through the FACTS told. In MUSIC: Tchaikovsky and Beethoven put
a lot of historic and pointing reference in their pieces (1812 , Eroica,
Pastoral). And, for godīs sake, THESE GUYS ARE NOT DATED!!
Man, I know thereīs a lot of abstract, subjective and simbolistic art,
And I love some of that too.
Thatīs why Iīd like to say this is a question of TASTE, and no a
question of being or not "pure art". You can prefer some style of art, but
the others styles will continue to exist. Thereīs millions of diferent
forms to express oneself, to touch other people. And it can be in a
subjective, objective, simbolistic or realistic way. It doesnīt matter!!
For me, being an artwork donīt depend on how itīs look like, but on how it
was done and on what impact it has in other people. If something was done
with real love, honesty, will, technique and inspiration and if it can
touch peopleīs soul deeply, so thatīs art. In any way it is.
I donīt know if my poor English could express clearly my ideas.
I donīt want to be right. Itīs just my opinion.
Clark, donīt consider the capitals any anger or claim on you. Itīs just to
emphasize some ideas.
Well, anyway I still have some doubts about the real meaning of ART (Whatīs
good and whatīs not good? Why?). But itīs another storie...
Regards,
Andre Alvarez
For a closer chat :-)
< kalves@nutecnet.com.br >
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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 21:59:36 -0400
From: Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: To Pat Daughtery regarding the Fates Single
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970908215936.007a6280@cyberport.cyberportal.net>
I have the limited edition Fates Warning single as well. I got it this
past weekend (in the mail) I won't tell where I got it. Later, J
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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 22:04:15 -0400
From: Jeremy Kube <jkube@cyberportal.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: What kind of cock is this?
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970908220415.007acd50@cyberport.cyberportal.net>
Michael Kohsiek wrote :
> "Fallen Into Infinity" is an album with too much boring songs and
> only one or two of it, that sound A LITTLE BIT like Dream Theater!!
Fuck you Michael. Most people don't even have this fucking album and you
are already a fucking critic. It's people like you who make this world the
sick and twisted place it is. Here's a word of advice. "Shut the fuck up"
That is all. J
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 22:08:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Anton Max <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Pure art
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.970908215420.13550A-100000@unix18.andrew.cmu.edu>
On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Ernesto Schnack wrote:
> hmm, well actually I found Bach's music, as well as Mozart's, to sound
> rather outdated. I don't know, but their music doesn't reach me as much as,
> ssay, Stravinsky does. I just can't realte to it...it sounds rather corny
> at times actually.
Stravinsky is god, unfair comparison :)
Seriously, I think it might depend on what Bach you've heard. I have 2
bach CDs that I can think of off the top of my head. One is a bunch of
organ solos (fugues and stuff) that don't speak to me much emotionally,
though they are interesting and impressive. The other is Lara St. John
performing partita no. 2 in D minor and sonata no. 3 in C major on solo
violin, and it's bloody awesome. Keep in mind that back wrote about twenty
zillion pieces, so odds are some of them won't withstand the test of time
as well. I can't say much about Mozart, he never really did much for me.
With rock music, though, because the genre is "developing" so quickly
(thanks to mass marketing, short attention spans, and new technology),
it's easier to sound dated. It seems to me though that the bands that
sound dated ten years down the road are the ones who cash in biggest on
the trends of the day. For example, take two seventies bands like Led
Zeppelin and the BeeGees, and, well, I don't think I really need to say
any more about that.
I think DT will be okay, since thus far their appeal and focus has been
musical rather than stylistic. If they were going to sound dated, they
would sound dated already, since their sound evolved primarily out of 70's
prog and 80's metal.
<long, thoughtful post gutted)
>
> And besides, how else could you refer to Cobain and MTV? The blonde
> screamer and the empty music screen?:)
>
Sounds good to me.
-maximilian
Anton Max
MadMax+@cmu.edu
http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 21:10:46 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: FII, Rush, Floyd, etc. etc...
Message-ID: <19970909011207.AAB15653@sni.pananet.com>
> As far as James saying they're trying to tap into the Rush and Floyd
> crowds, well, good luck. I'm a HUGE Rush fan and I know a lot of us
around
> here are too, and I think since we kind of run in those circles as well,
I
> can say that with numerous exceptions (including most of us here), Rush
> fans can be some of the snootiest, closeminded bastards on the planet.
DT
> rarely gets a good shake on NMS or their newsgroup. God bless 'em, DT is
> trying, but they will never win a lot of converts from that crowd.
Well, as far as I've noticed, most Rush fans don't even consider them
because they 'play for the sake of playing' yadda-yadda-yadda. This album
is definitely DT most emotional work, and it might at least turn SOME
heads. And in the long run, the best thing for DT would be to tap into the
Rush, Floyd, (add any other 70's prog band) fans. They would understand DT
much more than the MTV crowd.
take away my paaaaaaaaaaain
that songs rules!
Ernesto
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 22:53:45 -0400 (EDT)
From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Explore The Boundries)
Subject: DT FII LYRICS/MASTERMIND
Message-ID: <199709090254.WAA23194@grex.cyberspace.org>
For the record:
I do love the new DT album "FALLING Into Infinity".
I do think the lyrical content on this album is weaker as a whole,
than any other DT album.
I do think "Peruvian Skies", "Lines In The Sand" and "Trail of
Tears" are kick-ass tunes.
--Has anyone ever heard/seen a band called Mastermind? I saw them open for Fish last month. They were awsome. -John --- Detroit area 'Jammers: "Falling Into Infinity" listening party!
Sunday, Sept. 21 from 1pm-3pm, Sam Goody in the Laurel Park Place corner of six-mile and Newburgh in Livonia (Right off 275 and 6 mile)
DT collectable samplers/posters/surprises and Elektra is buying pizza!
koggie@cyberspace.org is John R. Kotzian Check out the Elsinore homepage @ http://falcon.ic.net/~lloyd/page17.html
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 22:58:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com (Explore The Boundries) Subject: DT in listening Stations Message-ID: <199709090258.WAA23612@grex.cyberspace.org>
Hey,
I managed to get my District Manager to make DT's FII a mandatory listening station CD for 5 of Detroit's rock oriented Sam Goody's. She doesn't even know who DT is, but because Elektra has been so cool about the listening party, she said "What the hell.".
I'm hoping to increase public awareness of DT in the Detroit area and so far, I'm getting a lot of help. It's so cool!
-- --- "Life is cast in shadows, ,swodahs ni tsac si efiL" molded by an expert hand, ,dnah trepxe na yb dedlom and the scenes that play before us, ,su erofeb yalp taht senecs eht and are the tragedies of man." ".nam fo seidegart eht era
koggie@cyberspace.org is John R. Kotzian Check out the Elsinore homepage @ http://falcon.ic.net/~lloyd/page17.html
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 19:59:24 +0000 From: "Brian Reeves" <ytsejammer2@worldnet.att.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: KUPD in Phoenix Message-ID: <19970909025926.AAA29855@default>
Jammers Unite
Everybody remember last week when our resident asshole DJ Eddy Webb from KUPD was talking all the shit about us?
He wouldn't get behind the new single because: "If their label won't get behind them, why should we"
Remember him?
He don't work for the station no more.
Gee, I wonder why.
I'm wonderin' how much his comments and/or our E-mail had to do with his departure.
Probably never know...
Ahh, the Irony of it all
'nuff said
Ytsejammer
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 22:59:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Elektra web site... Message-ID: <199709090259.WAA07667@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>
> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:26:48 -0500 > From: bforst@busprod.com (Bruce Forst) > > >I went to Elektra to see all the wonderful promotional the new album > >and it appears to be nothing! They still have ACoS as the newest > >release!! I then went to the "WHAT'S HOT" section and lo and behold: > >NOTHING! > > Now I may be a complete idiot or something but I can never seem to grasp > what the hell these people are thinking when they put up a website for a > promotion and then let it sit there and fall apart! I mean these are > companies with employees right? I think maintaining a web page would be a > very simple high exposure why of generating interest but instead like many > others in society they still think that the internet is "not important", > that its just some toy that people use to amuse themselves... which is true > too... >
Yeah... I decided to check it out after reading what someone mentioned here... I can't believe it... it still has the same page that they had before ACOS came out, saying that ACoS is new, no mention of FII... not only that, but they still have the link to my DT page wrong... one that I even got a reply from their webmaster telling me that they would fix the link... what morons over there... anyone care to crack into their site and at least fix that... :)
> Finally got my postcard in the mail today, Man... I love that cover!!!! At > last a DT cover with a simple compelling image. >
Yeah... I got the postcard some time last week... definatly a different cover from the ones they have had in the past... You will also notice that the card mentions rsabbs.com as the offial site, rather than the Elektra site...
-- +----------------------------+----------------------------------------+ | It's all about you not me | Dream Theater: Falling Into Infinity | | It's all about the things that you're expecting me to be +----------+ | There's not enough time to live +--------------+ In Stores| | With all that you're expecting me to give | Sept. 23, 1997| +-------------------------------------------+-------------------------+ Michael Burstin: mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/ Join Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email: http://www.cauce.org
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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 23:17:05 -0400 From: "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net> To: YtseGods <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Lyrics and Rhyming Message-ID: <3414BFB1.C4F@enter.net>
Being a writer myself, I know that sometimes when you're writing, especially poetry (which is what songs are, but with music) you sometimes get a feeling to write in Rhyme.
This doesn't mean that the lyrics have ditereated, actually good writers have trouble using rhyme, because it's much more difficult to get a cross what you're saying and making it sound good by using rhyme.
Now I haven't heard much of the lyrics, but I know in the past DT has rhymed throughout the song, but not the whole song. It's just an artistic point of view, is the way I look at it.
To rhyme or not to rhyme, what's the difference as long as it sound good. (which by the way that did not, but I'm tired as hell)
I think what matters is if the writer gets across what he/she wants and that person is happy with their work, then great...they've done what they've wanted.
later all,
Bruce D. Duesterhoeft
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 23:34:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Chad L. Cook" <ccook@bbn.com> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT, popularity and other such ramblings Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.92.970908231533.6640E-100000@achilles.bbn.com>
Hey Folks,
Just a few thoughts (all MHO, of course) on all the stuff flying around the jam...
All this mention of people not wanting DT to become "too popular" blows my mind... This goes along the same lines as the idea that things are always going commercial, selling out, etc... I understand none of this. The popularity of DT is directly proportional to how many more albums we (the fanatical, obsessed fans) will be able to get our grimy hands around. Now, how does this success come about? A lot of you seem to think it's from DT changing their music. While every band matures and grows, the music may be a little different than before, I always view it as a progression; adding layers to the cake, so to speak. I think commercial success is more related to the tastes of the norm than DT (or any other band) trying to mold their sound into something that will sell. Look at the things that have been popular, through the 80s until now... I've watched the popularity shift from cheesy hair rock to distortion laiden grunge, etc. I think the success of DT depends on immersion into the populous at the key time. I think the time is pretty good right now. People seem more open to hearing new sounds, distortion is no longer the devil. I think also that grunge is going to give way to more technical music, I can already hear this with some of the stuff that's coming out and being popular.. I now hear songs that have guitar solos in them.. Imagine that! GUITAR SOLOS! So, basically what I'm saying, is that all of this talk about selling out and making things more commercial is bogus... If the maturity of the band matches up with the ever-evolving taste of the people, DT will rocket to the top.
As for those people who don't like the new sound, etc... like I said, everyone's taste evolves and changes all the time... the people who don't like the new sound, perhaps their taste is evolving differently; going in a different direction than our favorite band... I personally LOVE the sound of the new stuff... I've continually gotten the same feelings of excitement from every new DT album as it comes out. Hearing PMU on the radio for the first time, then Lie, and now the ra files of BMS, YNM, and PS... It's all DT in their finest. They've progressed, and I've progressed, happily we're progressing in the same direction.
Just my $.02... er, maybe more like $.10 ;)
waiting impatiently for the 23rd...
Chad
____________________________________________________________________________ Chad L. Cook BBN Technologies Senior Systems Administrator 733 Concord Avenue ccook@bbn.com Cambridge, MA 02138
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Date: Wed, 13 Aug 1997 07:04:37 -0300 From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Opeth, DT Message-ID: <33F186B5.D51B4EC@geocities.com>
> ------------------------------ > From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> > Subject: Re: Some bands... > Do you mean clips or the albums? If you only want samples, > then go > to www.grave.com/mp3/Opeth-Orchid. You'll find the *ENTIRE* album > there as > a bunch of mp3 files. I guess that I shouldn't have told this to a > mailing > list, since many of you will bust the site down, but this band really > deserves to be heard (I'm talking about Opeth).
Yeah, that'd be cool, taht can give some idea of their sound. =)
> Just for your information, my top 6 albums are: > 1 - Master of Puppets (of course) > 1 - Images and Words (tie)
At least something we have in common, except the tie. =)
> But if you think that I'm a metalhead, well, in fact, I'm not. > I > don't like Awake because it's too heavy (Caught in a Web, for > instance).
You suck, Awake rocks and rocks hard!
> I don't know if you heard today's "Oitenta e Noisy", but they > played "Burning my Soul". I think that there's way too much > industrial/techno/alternative influences. And I wished the song were > softer and longer.
No, I don't listen to radio, and in the rare occasions when I do, it surely isn't that station... I liked "Burning my Sould", "Peruvian Skies" sounded too soft at first listen... maybe when the album comes out I can have a better idea of the songs.
> Well, I'm going to the Friday's show and thinking about going > to > the Thurday's show (well, you know, I have a problem with time ($$$) > :-)
I'm going on both, I'll surely be in Petrucci's workshop if there's one, if not maybe I'll show up at Portnoy's one...
-- []'s /**********************************************\ |* Marcelo Vanzin *| |* vanzin@geocities.com *| |* http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ *| \**********************************************/
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