YTSEJAM Digest 2949
Today's Topics:
1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2947
by Thrak75@aol.com
2) Removal from list
by Steve Lawson <selawson@worldnet.att.net>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2926
by Steve Lawson <selawson@worldnet.att.net>
4) tamp and nm, and real audio
by Mathew and Melissa <palze@tcccom.net>
5) scratch part
by "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" <pmukhop@med.wayne.edu>
6) Unclassified: Re: fan club subscription?
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
7) Re: Pure art
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
8) Sugestions for the future...
by Francisco Miguel <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2926
by Brandon Elhai <belhai@drew.edu>
10) Re: tamp and nm, and real audio
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
11) Thonkabook
by "R. Ananda" <spod@u.washington.edu>
12) TAMP
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
13) Fates single
by dseeger@juno.com (Deborah J. Seeger)
14) Elektra's Web Site
by "Michael G. Jones" <mgjones@Mcs.Net>
15) Fates single
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
16) FII, Rush, Floyd, etc. etc...
by "Mike Patrick" <mepatrick@iquest.net>
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:23:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Thrak75@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2947
Message-ID: <970908172303_-1902963299@emout06.mail.aol.com>
it chills me to think that dt is on the same label busta rhymes is on.....
ytsegoon
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the new york law school
thrak75@aol.com
dkobayashi@nyls.edu
"what are YOU doing here?" -busta rhymes to martha stewart at the mtv video
awards
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 21:24:18 +0000
From: Steve Lawson <selawson@worldnet.att.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Removal from list
Message-ID: <19970908212413.AAC2446@LOCALNAME>
I want my name removed from the ytsejam broadcast email list
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 21:26:18 +0000
From: Steve Lawson <selawson@worldnet.att.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2926
Message-ID: <19970908212616.AAA3557@LOCALNAME>
Please make sure that I do not receive any more YTSEJAM digests. Thanks
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:38:32 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mathew and Melissa <palze@tcccom.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: tamp and nm, and real audio
Message-ID: <199709082138.QAA14566@bsd-03.tcccom.net>
hey all,
just recovering from a heart attack here. i just listened to these two
files, and almost shit a brick. turns out my .ra player was playing them too
slow for some reason. anyone got any clues on why this is happening?
mathew
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:10:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" <pmukhop@med.wayne.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: scratch part
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.970908175323.19960E-100000@moose>
seems like i got beat to the "defense of lemur voice" and the "jlmb
lyrics" part.....oh well, i got more.....
the mail was kind to me last week....got Angra's Reaching horizons
super-ep, Superior's behind and Division's Paradise Lost.......
quick and dirty:
Superior: very contradictory album.......lotsa power, metal is at the
forefront and prog is evident but as a secondary player......and then they
go into these tracey melodic sections which just float in your head
afterwards.......very, very enjoyable...during the first listen, i was
totally digging the metal when it was happening, and wondering, where the
heck did the power go when they went into one of the interludes....and
yet, afterwards, i found myself humming the slower/softer instrumental
stuff..........damn fine stuff.......when is the next one coming out,
Bernd?
Angra: german, very german......i was thinking "Helloween" for the longest
time, and then i got to the song...ummmm....the song that's 7 minutes and
11 seconds long whose name I can't remember, and I started liking Angra
for Angra's sake......Jeff Esshaki, if you ever get around to finding
those Angra clips and like what you hear, you might consider ordering from
Empire Entertainment....got my discs (the two above) in about a week.....
Division: man, i left this one in Ypsi......wanted to hear more of it, and
now......not because it grabbed the hell out of me (sorry Mike), but
because there was stuff in there that probably kills funky chickens in a
live setting that i didn't hear the one time i've listened to it so
far..... my impression was of an album that might have stood for a little
tweaking production-wise, something about how the noise was coming through
my speakers bothered me.......as for the music itself, and remember this
is a quick and dirty review based on only one listen......I'm reminded of
old Metallica.....that is a GOOD thing in my book......and I'm not saying
they're a clone either, just a sense of the power and agression is present
that is just totally whup-gluteals, and reminds me of the reason i
originally got into Metallica.....
now i just gotta go back and get that disc, so i can give the production
and those vocals another listen and decide what weight to give them in my
eventual rating of the album......the band's already got it made in my
book..... ~~~~~
Partha
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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:03:09 +1000
From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Unclassified: Re: fan club subscription?
Message-ID: <4A25650C.0078D515.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
FOR FUCK'S SAKE, why don't you read the inside of the fanzine (that's page
2) it tells about susbscription and when it runs out and what you have to
do, how many times do I have to tell you lot.
WHY are you asking the jam ?
Neil Elliott's e-mail address is also in the fanzine, ask him, he is a nice
guy, stop bugging the jam with stupid questions when the answer is already
right in front of you !
gRaham_
lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu on 08/09/97 11:06:56 PM
Please respond to ytsejam@ax.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
cc: (bcc: Graham Boyle/NRC/HMAS WATSON/NAVY/AU)
Subject: fan club subscription?
Just curious - do fan club subscriptions run out? Do we have
to send another $15 each year? Will we receive a notice when/if
our subsription is about to run out?
-- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/------------------------------
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 22:52:38 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Pure art Message-ID: <19970908212104.AAA4833@sni.pananet.com>
> chance to trash it. But I'm concerned by some general comments I've heard
> lately that it sounds like the band is intentionally trying to do some songs > that have more commercial viability. Again, I don't know this to be fact, and > I hope it's not true. But to me, it seems practically sinful to even consider > what will sell when someone is writing music. I think pretty much anyone would > agree with me that this destroys any notion of pure art.
Well, i sure don't know exactly what the band did, but i think that they wrote the music as it came, and some of it ended up sounding 'commercial'; but only in the sense that the songs are relatively short and simple. But if it were really commercial, it'd be following today's trend, and that is something they definitely are not doing. > I basically lost what little respect I had left for Dave Mustaine > when I read the quotes that someone posted to this list last spring where he > said something to the effect of "This album will have four radio friendly > songs, four really heavy songs for the old fans, blah blah blah..." > How can you sit down with a piece of music, that is supposed to be an > expression of yourself, and say "Ok, now how can we make this more radio > friendly?"
Well, again, I can't speak for Dave, but couldn't you just write a bunch of songs, listen to them later and say "Gee, those 4 could do well on the radio, while those other 4 sound more like my older material..." and so on.
>a piece of music dates it in way that only pop music is dated. Sure, no one >really writes much baroque any more, but it still has just as much musical >value. I wouldn't really call it dated.
hmm, well actually I found Bach's music, as well as Mozart's, to sound rather outdated. I don't know, but their music doesn't reach me as much as, ssay, Stravinsky does. I just can't realte to it...it sounds rather corny at times actually.
>I know what it means to me and in a way, that's all that reallymatters to me. Lyrics >that are extremely direct don't leave any room for >interpretation. There's no grey area to find your own meaning. I haven't heard >this DT song in particular, but this is why I find that alot of lyrics detract >from the music for me. Music is perhaps the most abstract of the arts, and >I like it that way. Many of the things that we like about music are hard to
OK, first of all, the music for JLMB simply won't go with abstract, poetic lyrics. Straight-forward music needs straight-forward lyrics. Besides the music itself is like a big "FUCK yOU' to the industry. At first it seems like a normal metal-groove song, but the instrumental part goes totally nuts.
And here's my view of lyrics. The best example would be Robert Fripp and Kring Crimson. I don't know if you're familiar with their music, but Fripp has always made a distinction between 'songs' and 'pieces'. Pieces are the instrumentals that he writes, while songs are the ones with lyrics. Then there are the combinations like 'Dinosaur' off of Thrak.
So basically, i see music and lyrics as something different. Popular music combine the 2, often making the lyrics the main part, and the music supports it, setting the mood. On the other hand when you listen only to music, that's 'instrumental' music. That's when all your attention is on the music. That's 'the most abstract of the arts'. the lyrics that go over it are not part of that.
And as timeless as you find I&W to be, it isn't, you know why? In a century or two, there'll probably be some new instruments, probably weirder and more fucked up than the distorted guitar ever was. And the recording technology will be the same. So when you're grand kids are istening to I&W, it'll be pretty much like us listening to an old blues 50's record (probably worst, since that was just 50 yrs ago). "Ewwww, those distorted guitars sound so WIMPY, what was that guy using? a Tri-Axis with tubes? HAHAHA;, and the recording is so LAME."
And with every era, ppl express themselves in different ways...so it is quite possible that few ppl will relate to the lyrics there... Altough a lot of the songs display a very universaly topic, they will probably have a more modern group that expresses those same concepts in a way they can relate to better.
I understand what you mean about interpretation...but using metaphors is only one way of expression..sometimes in-your-face lyrics are the better way to go. It depends on the music you're writing those lyrics over.
And besides, how else could you refer to Cobain and MTV? The blonde screamer and the empty music screen?:)
>You dropped the ball >I picked up the trash >And wasted all my hairspray!
ROFL! Holy guacamole sauce. It's not even the 23 yet, and already we're getting parodies:)
tata, Ernesto
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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 23:54:46 +0200 From: Francisco Miguel <f.miguel@mail.telepac.pt> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Sugestions for the future... Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970908215446.00663404@mail.telepac.pt>
>Do not send me any more ytsejam updates!!
You forgot to say the magic word... :)
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And now, today's sugestions for the future:
1- Buy all Spice Girls' and Hanson's albums.
2- Listen to the Spice Girls and Hanson EXCLUSIVELY the next couple of weeks, until the 23rd September.
3- When the new DT album gets out, run to the nearest music shop, buy one, return home and drool all day over the carpet floor...
4- Write to the jam telling what a dumbass you were when you posted that 'FII sucks' message.
5- Listen to DT until you die.
___ ___ | ___ Pedro Filipe | * | * | & *| \ | / |* Francisco Miguel * | \ /|\ / | * (FleXable) * | \ / | \ / | * * | \ | / | * * | / \ | / \ | * * * | / \|/ \ | * *| / | \ |* "Love is the Dance of Eternity" _|_ * | * _|_ _|_ DREAM THEATER
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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 19:09:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Elhai <belhai@drew.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2926 Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.970908190714.616616055A-100000@drew.edu>
On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Steve Lawson wrote:
> Please make sure that I do not receive any more YTSEJAM digests. Thanks
There are so many idiots on this list it is not even funny. To unsubscribe from the ytsejam, send email to <ytsejam-request@ax.com> with "asdf" in the subject and "unsubscribe ytsejam (first name) (last name)." I see the people who post ignorant messages like this daily do not read the rules when they join.
Brandon
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:06:29 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: tamp and nm, and real audio Message-ID: <19970908221138.AAA8190@sni.pananet.com>
> just recovering from a heart attack here. i just listened to these two > files, and almost shit a brick. turns out my .ra player was playing them too > slow for some reason. anyone got any clues on why this is happening? > > mathew
I had the same problem... try shutting all your other programs, and minimize the Raplayer after you press play..worked for me.
As for TAMP...ok here's the deal, hen they played it at the show i went too, i was kinda distracted by some hot chic :) so it didn't do that much for me..then first time i heard it thru iparty, i said 'cheese'. Yesterday, i got the ra and gave a good listen. When i heard the beginning i thoght again 'cheese', but then by the second chorus i was pretty much crying. How can i say something negative about a song that stirs such emotion? It's a great song.
i think the real reason i was thinking 'cheese' was because the chorus melody reminds me of one of Celine Dion's songs. But damn it, it made me cry...
and A New Millenium is just incredible... IN-FUCKING-CREDIBLE
Ernesto
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:32:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "R. Ananda" <spod@u.washington.edu> To: Fucknuts <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Thonkabook Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96a.970908162016.31996A-100000@dante10.u.washington.edu>
I picked up an album this week that caught my eye: Michael Manring's "Thonk." It's got Steve Morse, Alex Skolnick, Tim "Herb" Alexander, and Steve Smith as featured performers. The CD is all instrumental (yay!) and this Manring dude is one hell of a bassist.
But what is a "hyperbass?" No one I've asked seems to know, yet it is the instrument that Manring primarily uses on the album. Any of you guys know?
Second: I found this amazing book called "Music, The Brain, and Ecstasy" by Robert Jourdain. It's essentially about why some people like certain music and others don't from a psychological/neurological perspective. Very informative book! It has juicy tidbits like this:
"Ballistic movements are vital to virtuosic musicianship, so much so that it may be the cerebellum that decided whether or not a musician makes it to the concert stage. For the cerebellum is all-important in the kind of playing where notes leap from the body and in which, at least to the musician's conscious mind, playing becomes efffortless....It's likely that the difference between a glistening trill and a dull one resides here, and the same is true of hundreds of other details of a musician's technique."
And on from there. I can't wait to get into an argument about music. :)
Rahul Ananda : spod@u.washington.edu or thehand@dreamt.org -----------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:30:45 -0600 From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: TAMP Message-ID: <199709082334.RAA15606@mailmx.micron.net>
ok I realize that I've been ranting about TAMP way too much lately, but this song just became one of my 5 favorite DT songs. It isn't very technical or anything which is usually what I usually look for, but this song is just soooooo groovy. I also had it stuck in my head all day which is a good sign.
I also never heard the originaly version, so this is probably why it has grown on me faster than most ppl. give it time.
It rolls down stairs It comes not in pairs Runs over your neighbor's foot. It's great for a snack And fits on your back It's woot! woot! woot!
woot™ from Blammo!®
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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 19:30:49 EDT From: dseeger@juno.com (Deborah J. Seeger) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fates single Message-ID: <19970908.183449.5047.0.DSeeger@juno.com>
>]From that same mailing list: > >Metal Blade has released a limited CD single featuring tracks off >of A Pleasant Shade Of Gray. The single contains the following: 'A >Pleasant >Shade Of Gray: Part 2', 'A Pleasant Shade Of Gray: Part 2 Remix >(previously >unreleased version remixed by Steve Tushar from CARBON 12), 'A >Pleasant >Shade Of Gray: Part 7' (demo version)... > >Anyone seen this yet?
Not only have I seen it - I own it!! If you remember awhile back there was a post about helping Metal Blade promote the tour in your area. I responded and got a letter saying that if there's a good turnout for the show you get flyers for Metal Blade will send it to you. So a few days ago I got mine. The Part 2 remix sounds kinda NIN-ish. You could probably dance to it if you wanted to. It's really cool. I'd say try to contact Metal Blade if you want a copy.
Debbie>
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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:36:50 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael G. Jones" <mgjones@Mcs.Net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Elektra's Web Site Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.95.970908183130.16981A-100000@Mercury.mcs.net>
Speaking of Elektra's web site, I can't even find any mention of DT's new album on their DT page. I don't know how much care they take in maintaining their site, however, since they still have a link to my Dream Theater page that's been down for 2 years now.
-- Mike Jones ________ mgjones@mcs.net ________ http://www.biggorilla.com "Find all you need in your mind, if you take the time" - Dream Theater
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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 20:36:20 -0400 From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Fates single Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970909003620.00669cd4@pop.pipeline.com>
Pat D asked: >Metal Blade has released a limited CD single featuring tracks off >of A Pleasant Shade Of Gray. The single contains the following: 'A Pleasant >Shade Of Gray: Part 2', 'A Pleasant Shade Of Gray: Part 2 Remix (previously >unreleased version remixed by Steve Tushar from CARBON 12), 'A Pleasant >Shade Of Gray: Part 7' (demo version)... > >Anyone seen this yet?
I have not only seen it - I have it. They sent it out to all the people who helped promote Fates' tour. The remix is pretty lame, but the demo is pretty cool. The bass line is stronger, and the vocals more raw. Duh. That's why it's a *demo* version!
CD of the Day: Black Sabbath - Technical Ecstasy
Green Bay Packers - The Quest to Repeat 1-1 This Week: Miami
Kevin
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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 18:33:11 -0500 From: "Mike Patrick" <mepatrick@iquest.net> To: "DT" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: FII, Rush, Floyd, etc. etc... Message-ID: <199709090111.SAA04299@odin.ax.com>
First of all, for those of you slagging Kevin Shirley, rip into him for the arrangements (not that there's anything wrong with them), but not the production. Whoever engineered this album (and Shirley may do it himself for all I know) made this album sound PHAT. Period. This is in-your-face kind of stuff. When the fuck was the last time you heard John Myung AND the rest of the band at the same time? Man, he's so up front in the mix, it's killing me. ANM and HK are both really good, deep tunes and the .ra files do them at least a small amount of justice. Throw the rest out (Hardradio, anyone?) because the samples suck.
As far as James saying they're trying to tap into the Rush and Floyd crowds, well, good luck. I'm a HUGE Rush fan and I know a lot of us around here are too, and I think since we kind of run in those circles as well, I can say that with numerous exceptions (including most of us here), Rush fans can be some of the snootiest, closeminded bastards on the planet. DT rarely gets a good shake on NMS or their newsgroup. God bless 'em, DT is trying, but they will never win a lot of converts from that crowd.
Mike Patrick mepatrick@iquest.net mepatric@delcoelect.com
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