YTSEJAM Digest 2955
Today's Topics:
1) My thoughts on musicianship (If anyone cares)
by Joshua Malone <jmalone@mail.vt.edu>
2) DT bootleg discography
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
3) DT cds for sale
by "Matt Wilson" <Dreamline.7466@worldnet.att.net>
4) The Jam is always greener on the other side of the farce
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
5) Whoah, got a good response from WJJO!
by "sykes" <sykes@inwave.com>
6) THANKS!!!!
by Michael Pomerleau <michael_pomerleau@snet.net>
7) Album Production
by Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com>
8) Pink Floyd and Dream Theater
by jemmons@neo.lrun.com (John Emmons)
9) Help to Help DT!/College Radio
by "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
10) a lot of disagreein' :)
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
11) DT FII CD STOCKS
by "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
12) DSS music stations
by "Heath A" <augieh@hotmail.com>
13) Kevin Moore and Awake
by Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu>
14) Re: Keyboards on Awake
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
15) John Petrucci - Purple Rain cover
by "Tom Baddley" <tbaddley@ontheair.com>
16) Sony, Rant 1, Rant 2, Scoring Record stores, King Crimson
by Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 20:57:28 -0400
From: Joshua Malone <jmalone@mail.vt.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: My thoughts on musicianship (If anyone cares)
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970909205727.00690070@mail.vt.edu>
Well, after wanting to put in my $.02 after every jam I read, I finally
accumulated about a buck twenty, so here it comes:
I agree with whoever said it earlier, that I would buy a DT album, no
matter what it sounded like. I just know it would grow on me. I was one
of those who heard the TAMP sample from scream.no and thought they were
kidding. But, I dubbed it down to a cassette, shoved it into my walkman
and played it for a few days, and I see the merit of it now. The same with
some other .ra samples I've gotten. Maybe it's LaBrie's voice that I've
just gotten attached to.
I'm not going to comment on the deteriorating lyrics, 'cuz (this is where
most people attack me) I find lyrics to be a secondary element to a song
and I rarely get around to paying attention to them (at least with a band
who plays music comlex enough to _really_ listen to, such as DT). Only
things like ska really revolve around them (yep - chalk up one more rude
jammer :-). It takes a powerful lyricist like Sting or Joni Mitchell to
grab my attention. Lyrics just aren't DT's main assett.
My biggest thought about DT's change of sound over the years is that they
aren't exploiting the studio as much as they used to. Things sound more
live and raw. I've found that this shows that a band isn't regarding music
as as much of constructive art anymore, but as more of a bandwidth for
personal statement. I&W was just thicker and more thought out that ACOS
and what I've heard of FII. It IMO, they've shifted the focus from
intricacy (sp?) to expressiveness. Not a good thing or a bad thing, just a
thing, really.
Finally, one last comment about the keyboards. When I first heard I&W (my
first DT album - I was turned onto it by the son of a guy that went to High
School with Mike Portnoy) the thing that struck me was the keyboards. They
sounded like a guitar - but not the sound - the way Kevin played 'em. If
he had been using a good guitar patch, I would have thought it _was_ a
guitar. That's something Derrick just can't (or at least doesn't) do.
Just to sum up, buy any DT you can, 'cuz if you like one, you'll come to
like 'em all. We need to stress tolerance in the music world. BTW, I
think Awake was their best album, by leaps and bounds.
-Josh
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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 22:04:57 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT bootleg discography
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970909215637.2365F-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Bruce Forst wrote:
> I know there are some people on here who think that bootlegs are the work of
> devil but i personlly think they serve some purpose to a segment of the
> population.. like me for instance. And so I am a bit bemused and dismayed
Like me for instance. :-) I only wish I could have more money. :-)
Bootlegs are always expensive and if it weren't for trades, I wouldn't
have know many interesting versions of some of my preferred songs (the
acoustic version of "Wait for Sleep", the Dream Theater "Tears" cover of
Rush -- I know about the Christmas CD, but I'm talking about the
other version floating around -- etc.).
> that the DT boot discography is something like two years out of date the
> last time I looked for it. I think that its an information source like
> anything else, useful for some people. This list prides itself on being
> educated about things.. and educating others so I would like to see somebody
> like Rogerio, who takes an active interests in bootlegs take ahold of the
Well, I guess that this "Rogerio" is me. :-) Well, I may re-start
the DT bootleg discography, no problems... Let's see what happens (I won't
have time to start this project until the end of this month, I think but
I'll do my best).
> reins of the boot discography and give it a revamping.. maybe save a few
> people the trouble of having to continuously post to the jam in an attempt
> to find out whether they should buy a certain bootleg that's shown up at a
> local store or not.
I think that a "best of" section would be really nice... In terms
of sound quality and of performance/material...
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 21:31:48 -0400 From: "Matt Wilson" <Dreamline.7466@worldnet.att.net> To: <Ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT cds for sale Message-ID: <19970910013730.AAA14649@matt>
Hi Fellow Ytsejammers, I have the following DT cds for sale: 1. Instrumental 1 (The 1987 Recordings)-$30.00 2. Dance Of Eternity(Buffalo 5-18-93)-$30.00 3.Milan 1993(Milan, Italy 11-15-93)2 CDS-$45.00 4.Wake Up!(Saitama, Japan 1-24-95)2 CDS-$45.00 5.Rising Power w/Mike Portnoy(Circa 1984-85)-$20.00
If any of you are interested e-mail me Dreamline.7466@worldnet.att.net Thank you for your time.
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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 21:45:33 -0400 From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The Jam is always greener on the other side of the farce Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970910014533.0068f9fc@pop.pipeline.com>
Itchy was exploring the supposed strangeness of signing off from the jam because the new cd was coming out. I don't think this is really too odd. I can see where people wouldn't want to read review after review after review - basically consisting of two extremes: it sucks or it rules. I am already sick of reading track-by-track analysis. A nice, well-constructed review is one thing, but it seems the majority of the posts are not constructed with such care. One must remember that there are many people subsribed to this list not for Dream Theater news, but for a window into the world of progressive, sometimes heavy, complex music. A world in which DT is a leading citizen - but not the only one. I have the time to selectively read the jam, so I have no need to unsubscribe, but I can see where people with more demands upon their time might take a nice sabbatical from the rigors of everyday jam life.
CD of the Day: Solitude Aeturnus - Downfall
Green Bay Packers - The Quest to Repeat 1-1 This Week: Miami
Kevin
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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 20:43:13 -0500 From: "sykes" <sykes@inwave.com> To: "The Ytse Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Whoah, got a good response from WJJO! Message-ID: <199709100152.UAA15917@iria.inwave.com>
Hey guys, I actually got a positive response from WJJO in Madison. All of you Southern Wisconsin Jammers drop them a line and request Burning My Soul!
>Hi Doug! > >Didn't know if you got a reply to your DREAM THEATER mail. > >The new single "Burning My Soul" is on JJO. > >Thank you for listening! > >Blake Patton
On another note, I finally got confirmation on my personalized license plates for my '73 Datsun 240Z. I tried to get YTSE JAM, but someone else must already have that! So I settled for just YTSE. That should be cryptic enough to fool all but the select few!
laters -doug
| sykes@inwave.com |
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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 22:34:56 -0400 From: Michael Pomerleau <michael_pomerleau@snet.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: THANKS!!!! Message-ID: <34160750.D57BFF41@snet.net>
Last week I requested that you guys help me out by E-mailling WCCC and Requesting DT. Anyways, they finally played it tonight during the NEW Music Show. She said that they were SWAMPED with requests and that if enough people liked it, they would put it into regular rotation.
If any of you hve time, maybe you could take a second out of your day and send a quick E-mail to FMAMWCCC@AOL.COM saying something like;
"I heard the New Dream Theater Song last night on the New Music Show. I liked it alot. Please continue to play this song and place it into regular rotation"
Thanks Again
Michael Pomerleau
E-mail: (Home) michael_pomerleau@SNET.NET OR mpomerle@ct1.nai.net (Work) michael_pomerleau@adc.com
Visit My Home Page at http://w3.nai.net/~mpomerle
Who knows where the Cold Wind Blows... I ask my friends, but nobody knows... WHITESNAKE . . . 'Love ain't no Stranger'
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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 22:23:48 -0400 From: Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Album Production Message-ID: <341604B4.2720@net1plus.com>
Hey guys.
Joshua Malone wrote:
>My biggest thought about DT's change of sound over the years is that >they aren't exploiting the studio as much as they used to. Things >sound more live and raw.
I totally disagree. I think the band uses the sudio almost as another instrument. Its a progression I've noticed from each album. On a lot of FII tracks you hear a lot of effects. Listen to Burning My Soul. It's pretty straight forward for DT, but listen to the production. KJLB's voice sounds very chorused and shimmery. There's also electronic voice samples during the intro and chorus.
In other songs, there's some very dense Floydian sections that just sound very trippy and laid-back. Listen to the beginning of Hell's Kitchen. The music makes you feel almost drowsy (A real good band can pull you into that mode every once in a while.) and there are some really fitting samples underneath. (at least that's what I thought I heard.) The guys (and I really noticed this on Awake) are, as Mike Portnoy said "Stretching the boundries of instrumentation" and I noticed that on several FII tracks. So, with all the effects, samples and Instruments such as the 7-string and Chapman Stick (plus we're getting Rhodes and Mellotron- far out!), I think FII will (for the most part) be a real studio-oriented album.
>That's something Derrick just can't (or at least doesn't) do.
Maybe so, but we all know that Derek could do it in his sleep =)!
>BTW, I think Awake was their best album, by leaps and bounds.
I agree, but ask me again on the 23.
Oh Yeah. I hate to ask for your charity, but... I have an illness. I can't put my guitar down while posting. Therefore it takes me quite a while to post this stuff. It's sad-- traumatic even. Any donations (strings, picks, Triaxis Preamps...) would greatly help me in my time of need. Thank You.
~-~Jon Dery~-~
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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 22:45:29 +0100 From: jemmons@neo.lrun.com (John Emmons) To: To:@akron5.neo.lrun.com Subject: Pink Floyd and Dream Theater Message-ID: <v01540b0cb03b726f6898@[204.210.205.63]>
Hey Ytsejammers!
I just wanted to verify how easy it is to go from Floyd to Dream Theater. I have been a big Floyd fan for quite some time now...longer than I can remember. I remember that at a party, a drummer who I knew, who liked Rush and all those other progressive favorites, told me if I liked Floyd, I'd love this new band, called Dream Theater. I even got to hear a sample of Metropolis...I liked it, but I went out and bought Awake. I have been a fan of Dream Theater ever since!
Mike, As for being in Pa, I can fortunately say that most shows do come to Ohio, so I don't have to worry about missing too many! I am hoping that John Petrucci and Mike Portnoy keep their promise they made to us at the climics that they'd be in Cleveland this time as well as Columbus.And in case you haven't heard, there are many rumors that Pink Floyd will be touring again as well with a new album this year, so it may turn out to be a very great year indeed! You can always come to Ohio to see a show if you don't live too far away, most of the venues here are pretty nice!
Well, sorry for the semi- non DT related material!
Maria
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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 22:50:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com (Explore The Boundries) Subject: Help to Help DT!/College Radio Message-ID: <199709100251.WAA23824@grex.cyberspace.org>
I need your help!
If there are any Jammerz who live in Southern Michigan, or Northern Ohio and Indiana and know how to contact the staff of any college/high school radio stations, please email me with the following info:
Station Call letters College/High School affiliation Address Phone # Contact Name (If applicable)
I am working with the local Elektra rep to promote Dream Theater and he needs to contact all the college radio stations in his region. If you have this info, it would be appreciated. -John --- Detroit area Jammerz. DREAM THEATER LISTENING PARTY!
Sept. 21, 1997 at Sam Goody in the Laurel Park Place, Six-mile and Newburgh in Livonia.
Food, Prizes and DT FII! Questions? email me.
koggie@cyberspace.org is John R. Kotzian Check out the Elsinore homepage @ http://falcon.ic.net/~lloyd/page17.html
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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 22:12:18 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: a lot of disagreein' :) Message-ID: <19970910021358.AAA4557@sni.pananet.com>
> work. And for good reason. Any production work I've heard by him has been > stellar. I guess all the great arts masters had some personality flaw...And > believe me, I'm so impressed with this guy's work that I will gladly put him > the catagory with Ludwig van Beethoven (who was a mental case who spent his
dude, you are weird:) I don't know if you've noticed, but Prater is quite despised around here. Main reasons: triggers . ugh. Listen to I&W again, and pay close attention to the snare. Notice how it sounds exactly the same everytime it hits? And for me, that goes for the rest of the album. The production is not dynamic enough. As awesome as those songs are, you can appreciate them a lot better when you hear them live.
> My biggest thought about DT's change of sound over the years is that they >aren't exploiting the studio as much as they used to. Things sound more >live and raw. I've found that this shows that a band isn't regarding music
On the contrary, I find they're experimenting a lot more with sounds. Just the beginning of ANM show such a variety of sounds all over the place.
>sounded like a guitar - but not the sound - the way Kevin played 'em. If >he had been using a good guitar patch, I would have thought it _was_ a >guitar. That's something Derrick just can't (or at least doesn't) do.
Well speaking as a guitarist, i find Derek's playing a lot more guitar like. (Didn't MP say one of his main influences was Randy Rhoades?) Not only his phrasing, but also the agression. That guy plays with balls. You'd swear he's playing thru a cranked up Marshall or something. er, sorry, a Mesa.:)
SOOOWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!! Ernesto
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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:30:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com (Explore The Boundries) Subject: DT FII CD STOCKS Message-ID: <199709100330.XAA27387@grex.cyberspace.org>
Hey,
I just found out that Sam Goody's home office slated only 5 DT FII CD for my store. I talked with my District Manager and she up our allocations to 30 for the first week, and a sales history will be built upon that. God I love working for a music store, when DT albums are released.
-John -- koggie@cyberspace.org is John R. Kotzian Check out the Elsinore homepage @ http://falcon.ic.net/~lloyd/page17.html
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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 20:37:36 PDT From: "Heath A" <augieh@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DSS music stations Message-ID: <199709100337.UAA06913@f46.hotmail.com>
This was posted in the jam: >Does anyone else get those 35 music channels which come with the DSS >dish? You get them for free if you subscribe to one of their big >packages. The other day, I tuned to channel 513 (Metal channel) and >they played in order: > >Queensryche "Queen of the Ryche" >Helloween "Mission Motherland" - TALK ABOUT OBSCURE!!! >Fates Warning "Through Different Eyes" > >Awesome channel - it comes through with CD-quality sound.
Yeah, I have a dss and get the stations. "Music choice" runs from channels 501 - 531 and the music they play totally ranges from Classical music to Jazz to metal to oldies. It is real cool and I always have channel 512 tuned in which is the Metal station. The other day I heard The Mirror on the station. :)
Augie
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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:43:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu> To: The Wonderful World of YTSE <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Kevin Moore and Awake Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.96.970909233643.48664E-100000@acs5.bu.edu>
The reason Awake is guitar dominated is because KM did not put too much effort into the recording. He knew he was going to move on after Awake, so how could anyone expect him to put his mind into Awake? Kevin Moore is the reason Awake is so heavy.
Isaac
"It sounds diminished ... but it's not." - John Petrucci
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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 21:16:57 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Keyboards on Awake Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970909211655.00831c90@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 12:40 PM 9/9/97 -0700, Clark wrote: >I love both Awake and IaW, but IaW is far and away my favorite, primarily >because I feel that they went from being an ensemble to being a guitar band >where the keyboards play more of a backup role. Sure, you can hear the keys >and the synth on Awake, but it rarely is the featured instrument in any part >of any of the songs. I'm not just talking about solos either. For example, the >clean piano part in TTT, or the intro to surrounded, or any of the numerous >prominent keyboard parts in LTL.
Ever listen to the intro to "Erotomania"? Scarred's ending? The MAIN MELODY in the beginning of "Caught in a Web"? The intro to 6:00? Oh yeah, don't let me forget that SPACE DYE VEST is _BASED_ off of the keyboard part. Are you listening to the same album here, bud? Oh yeah, if you think DT was wanting to get rid of the keys and become a "guitar band", why did they hire another keyboard player to replace Kevin Moore?
_MESA/VINNIE_
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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 22:23:30 -0600 From: "Tom Baddley" <tbaddley@ontheair.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: John Petrucci - Purple Rain cover Message-ID: <199709100423.EAA50970@out1.ibm.net>
This evening I MP3 encoded John Petrucci's Purple Rain cover from his 8/18/97 guitar clinic in Orlando, FL.
This is an incredible instrumental rendition of Prince's Purple Rain. I feel that it does a great job of showing just how emotional JP can really play, not to mention all of the varied styles that he can play fluently. The song has been digitized @ 44kHz from a video tape so generously provided by Dane (Daus Studenberg) down in Florida. I'm not sure what format the original footage was shot on, but the VHS tape dub that I got is mono, but with good audio quality and minimal crowd chatter. The MP3 that I've created was recorded direct from my Hi-Fi VCR (like it matters) to my computer via a SB32PnP. The song is 8:52 long, so the fact that it was mono kind of worked to its advantage. The total MP3 size is 4.2meg.
My question is, could one of you true DT fans who run either a DT or prog-rock page put this up for more fans to enjoy? I'd email it to people individually, but it would make a lot more sense to have it available as a download.
E-mail me if you're interested.
Tom Baddley
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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:55:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com> To: Just Words <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Sony, Rant 1, Rant 2, Scoring Record stores, King Crimson Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.970909231338.562A-100000@parka.winternet.com>
]From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
> Sony products in general tend to be a letdown... just ask the tons > of DVD enthusiasts that are stuck with the Sony unit forever, > underpowered though it is, simply because of the Macrovision disabling > switch.
Well, I think it was my post that started the anti-Sony bit, so I'll mention that my flakey CD boombox (that doesn't play discs with circular scratches on them) has had a rough life. I put myself thru college working at a grocery store, and the boombox followed me there for stock night. It's been kicked, dropped, rammed with half-ton pallets of groceries... I'm surprised it plays anything. :)
On the other hand, when I bought my stereo I auditioned some nice sony stuff against some similarily-priced Onkyo stuff. Onkyo put DT in the room with me. Sony put them across the street. :(
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]From: Michael Kohsiek <MKOHSIEK@jurs1.jura.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE>
>Please send me an e-mail, because I don't often read the "Jams"...
Come on! Geez! It's bad enough to see this on the Usenet groups (I don't read your group so send mail answering all my questions that are in the FAQ anyway...) but on a mailing list??? "Please send mail because I don't read my mail." WTF?
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]From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
D-Man, your new mail program sucks eggs. Nice formatting. :) Let me guess; is it a Microsoft product?
>> From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org> >> Subject: DT in listening Stations >> >> I managed to get my District Manager to make DT's FII a mandatory >> listening station CD for 5 of Detroit's rock oriented Sam Goody's. She >> doesn't even know who DT is, but because Elektra has been so cool >>about= >> >> the listening party, she said "What the hell.".
>That freakin' rules. That's it. I'm moving to Detroit. Hey Partha, >you= need =a roommate?
Now, why is it that the prog fans seem to be here in the Midwest (Detroit and Minneapolis are supporting DT), but the prog concerts are on the coasts? DT isn't even playing in Minneapolis... Chicago's the closest site. (So, being new on the job with no vacation time, I prolly can't go. :((( )
>Wow. All this public action by Jammers all happening at once. How come >none = >of you live in southern Virginia? I'd go down to the local record store >and = >try something like this, but with all the Spice Girls and Clint Black >displays = >all over the place, there's hardly enough room.
See? And Progfest (or was it progday?) is in North Carolina. Nuts.
>OK, everyone likes to talk about their favorite CD shops, but there's no >clear = >way to determine which one is best, right? Well, I think I have the >answer.
>It's very simple, actually. You give the store 2 points each for having >in stock I&W, Awake, and ACoS. 5 points for WDADU. (10 points if they >have both versions.) 2 points for every Fates Warning title they have. >And 5 points for every Magna Carta disc you find. >So, let's see who shops at the best stores! :)
I propose one point each for classic Rush (I won't start a flame war defining "classic Rush"; just pick some album between 2112 and Roll The Bones as a starting point) album, or pre-Empire Queensryche albums.
I futher propose one point for a clued-in sales clerk, and minus one for the terminally un-clued. Case in point: I tried to special-order a copy of Marillion's at-the-time-new album, "Made Again," since I didn't think Musicland in Grand Forks would be getting a copy for the shelves. I was told by the clerk that they would be getting a large number of the band's new one in (color me shocked!), but that I had the title wrong (what?)... "it's called 'Smells Like Children.'" Augh!
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]From: Ernesto Schnack <ernie@pananet.com>
>King Crimson has so many line-up changes through-out the years, they make >Yes look like a happy family. The only constant member is Robert Fripp >who >reforms the band everytime there's 'King Crimson music' to be played. >Every >period of the band is very different. I personally don't like 'In the >Court of the Crimson King' myself. But i love the 'Red' era (Frip, Bill >Bruford, John Wetton, and David Cross??) Pick up 'Larks Tongue in Aspic' >if >you ever find it. I listen to that and can't believe it was written in >the >70's. The current KC is also very good. The album 'Thrak' is just >amazing. >The 80's Crimson is a little more3 pop-like; it's growing on me.
There are basically four "versions" of King Crimson. The first is the "psychedelic-influenced prog", from '69 to '72 or '73... "In The Court of the Crimson King" is the best album of the era. Second is the "Balls-and-chunk guitar prog", from '73 or so to around '80. "Red" is the album to get. Third is the "pop-influenced prog", typified by the album "Discipline", and streching from '80 to just before the current album. The fourth is the "double trio" that made the current album "Thrak". It kinda defies classification. "Industrial- and-Beatles-influenced Thrash jazz" maybe?
There's a number of box-set/greatest-hit sort of things out there; the best single-disc intro to KC is "The Concise King Crimson". It's the only one that treats the first three eras equally well. Get it if you want to try out all three eras if you're on a budget; if your not, get the three albums mentioned above, or try a boxed set.
--Jay "prefers the double trio version" Omega --NP: nothing, cuz I'm going to bed.
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