YTSEJAM Digest 2954
Today's Topics:
1) Getting off... the Ytsejam
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
2) Wow! :-(
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
3) new update
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
4) Re: King Crimson/words
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
5) Unclassified: Re: Fw: YTSEJAM digest 2949
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
6) Unclassified: Oops
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
7) Re: Release in Germany
by Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk>
8) Inside Information on David Prater
by RGZ321P@aol.com
9) RE: YTSEJAM digest 2953
by colak@uhavax.hartford.edu
10) FAQ you!
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
11) Re: Thonkabook
by Fern Fryer! <fernandm@U.Arizona.EDU>
12) Re: Virus Warning !!!
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
13) Re: FAQ you!
by Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com>
14) Floyd fan and Dream Theater
by Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu>
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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 22:26:00 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Getting off... the Ytsejam
Message-ID: <01BCBD72.764228E0@Enterprise.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Raivo Hool wrote :
> It's been fun, but now that the album is coming out, I'm off.
> It shouldn't be that hard to draw the conclusions.
People are unsubscribing, because there's a new Dream Theater album
about to be released... On any other mailinglist, that would be THE
reason to get ON the list... Doesn't that tell you guys something ?
Btw, I'm also thinking of getting off the list, until things settle
down a bit... I am sure I'll enjoy FII a LOT more *without* all the
bitchin' :-)
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> From: Jason Hartman <lhartm1@ds1.GL.UMBC.EDU>
Jasom, please put that huge middle finger up your ass
where it belongs, and leave Graham the fuck alone :-P
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> Steve Lawson <selawson@worldnet.att.net>
> Do not send me any more ytsejam updates!!
> From: "K. Mclean" <mcleank@muss.CIS.McMaster.CA>
> stop sending mail to this address!
Keep reading my sig
Mark
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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:56:27 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Wow! :-(
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970909175310.1068A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
Wow...
I just read my last post to the 'jam (the one concerning the
changes between Images and Words and Awake) and I'd like to say that I
apologize for the number of misspellings/grammatical errors. Well, I was
rushing to try to post that the fastest I could and it ended up having
many (indeed, far many) more errors than I thought... :-(
I think that I'll start using a spell checker... :-)
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:10:10 -0700 (MST) From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: new update Message-ID: <199709092110.OAA13859@goodnet.com>
The page is updated once again for everyone's viewing pleasure. You can get scans of lots of bootleg packaging now, among other things. Enjoy!! :)
http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik
- Mike Bahr - durnik@goodnet.com - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:29:04 -0400 From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack) To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: King Crimson/words Message-ID: <19970909203447.AAA12742@sni.pananet.com>
> Well, it seems my mom was a rock fan when she was young. I found some > Deep Purple records (Vinils!) and even one King Crimson. That would be > "At the court of the crimson king". I gave it a few listens and I just > didn't get it. so: > > 1) Is their stuff like, say, Fatez, that takes time to get used to? > 2) Are all of their stuff like that?
King Crimson has so many line-up changes through-out the years, they make Yes look like a happy family. The only constant member is Robert Fripp who reforms the band everytime there's 'King Crimson music' to be played. Every period of the band is very different. I personally don't like 'In the Court of the Crimson King' myself. But i love the 'Red' era (Frip, Bill Bruford, John Wetton, and David Cross??) Pick up 'Larks Tongue in Aspic' if you ever find it. I listen to that and can't believe it was written in the 70's. The current KC is also very good. The album 'Thrak' is just amazing. The 80's Crimson is a little more3 pop-like; it's growing on me.
>Well, English ain't my first language, so I don't know the meaning >of words like: IMO, IMHO and stuff. In fact I don't think that >these are in "formal" English. I think it would be a good idea >to make a YTSE-Dictionary for all of the new guys here (2 month on the
In the FAQ there's a whole list of acronyms commonly used here. IMHO= In My Humble Opinion
Ernesto
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:03:38 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Unclassified: Re: Fw: YTSEJAM digest 2949 Message-ID: <4A25650D.00785B91.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
Well I have posted 3/4 times about the fan club, if you want I'll forward you my origonal messages to you ? So why didn't you just read the inside page (2) of the fanzine, all the info is their ? Obvisiously you suffer from selective reading ? I am still laughing at your response, BTW, if you want to continue this 'argument' please direct your 'constructive critisism' to me and not the jam. Sorry next time I'll hit the <sarcasm> button before I hit send.
yours in sarcasm/laughter
gRaham_
lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu on 09/09/97 09:14:04 PM
Please respond to ytsejam@ax.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com cc: (bcc: Graham Boyle/NRC/HMAS WATSON/NAVY/AU) Subject: Re: Fw: YTSEJAM digest 2949
> > PS. If you are a fan club member, all the info you need is on page two of > > the fanzine about re-subbing > > when you subscription is due for renewal you will be sent a renewal slip > to > > fill out and sent it in along with > > your money. > > Is that simple enough for ya Jason, or would you like me to say it a > little > > slower for you ?
Why couldn't you just answer like that in the first place instead of coming off like an asshole? In the first post you said something like "How many times do I have to tell you?". To be honest, I've never seen that topic come up before - at least in the past few months.
-- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ \ / / L. Jason Hartman "And I'll smile and I'll learn to pretend \ \ lhartm1@gl.umbc.edu And I'll never be open again / / And I'll have no more dreams to defend \ \ Univ. Of Maryland, And I'll never be open again " / / Baltimore County - Kevin Moore : Dream Theater \ \ / / "Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot." \ \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
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Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:46:29 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Unclassified: Oops Message-ID: <4A25650D.007B4DE7.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
Okay I was outta line with my post yesterday about the fan club, I was however, being very sarcastic, that of course didn't come across at all. I have posted a number of times about it and if you are a fan club member all you need to know is in the fanzine on page 2 ! Do yourself and the jam a favour, read it, please ! Good job I am such a placid natured guy and that I can laugh off such things as Jason's finger, I don't like causing trouble on this list, it is a damn good list to be on most of the time. Their are some terrific ppl on the jam, Doc, Spine, Gabbo, D-Man, Itchy, Chalkface and many more, shame the assholes spoil it for the rest of us sometimes. Sorry for any offence that I may have caused...
gRaham_
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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 18:19:14 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Berry <andrew@aberry.demon.co.uk> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Release in Germany Message-ID: <Marcel-1.26-0909171914-fc4evuQ@aberry.demon.co.uk>
In <URL:news:local.ytsejam> on Tue 09 Sep, Steffen Barabasch wrote: > > Hi! > > To anyone who cares: > > The album will be released on the 22th. This is from the horse's > mouth, I just phoned with EW Germany.
That's interesting - it would be cool if this was the UK release date, despite what has been said so far. I still can't believe they wouldn't bother releasing it over here, and 22nd is a Monday so it's quite possible...
OK, so I'm am optimist. :-)
Cheers, -- +--Andrew Berry (webmaster, Metal Links) ----------------------------------+ | 4700 links to metal pages - http://www.aberry.demon.co.uk/metallinks/ | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | "These are the shores whereto my soul, blood drenched and unredeemed, | | Shalt seek solace in secrets told, through the whispers of a dream." | +-------------------------------------------------- - Cradle of Filth ----+
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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 19:19:09 -0400 (EDT) From: RGZ321P@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Inside Information on David Prater Message-ID: <970909191759_1583911248@emout05.mail.aol.com>
I read someone's post about how good the production on Images and Words is (you can hear every instrument equally all the time). There is no question that Images and Words is one of the best albums (rock, metal, classical, jazz, showtunes, traditional, folk, whatever) ever recorded.
As such, I was pleased to find that Image and Words' producer, David Prater, had also worked on the Firehouse album, Hold Your Fire. Several friends of mine and myself were going to see Firehouse at Club Bene here in New Jersey. To that end, I listened to the Hold Your Fire all week so that I'd know the music.
After the show, we waited to meet the band (the girl I was with wanted pictures and autographs). I'd also like to say that I really enjoyed the show. They're a great rock band with a great sound and very catchy, hook-filled songs.
After the whole "I'm a big fan and enjoyed the show" shpiel, I asked what I really wanted to know: "What was it like working with David Prater?" I was quite amused by the response, which I think came from Firehouse's guitarist. I'll use quote marks here, but I assure you that I'm paraphrasing what I remember him saying, and not by any stretch of the imagination quoting what he said word for word:
"Oh! That guy! (sighs heavily) Well, we didn't work with him on the most recent album. We did Hold Your Fire with him. He's got one formula for production and no one can deviate from it. He gets very frustrated when it doesn't sound right. Once he smashed a guitar over the mixing console out of anger. There was no way we were going to work with him again. I know Dream Theater worked with him on one of their albums, and they wouldn't work with him again."
Then, my friend and I asked the bass player:
"David Prater? Big guy. Like six and a half feet tall. Used to play in a band in the seventies... He was an asshole! He'd get real pissed off...was impossible to work with. He kicked his dog! (retrospectively, and more calmly:) Ah... I sent him a card at the holidays... (quoting himself, with a tone of bitterness:) 'Merry Christmas... ...faggot!'"
For the record, all the guys in Firehouse heavily praised his production work. And for good reason. Any production work I've heard by him has been stellar. I guess all the great arts masters had some personality flaw...And believe me, I'm so impressed with this guy's work that I will gladly put him the catagory with Ludwig van Beethoven (who was a mental case who spent his existence tormenting his sister and nephew), Van Gogh (who was a nut for obvious reasons), and Isaac Newton (who was a miserable wretch who when he wasn't working on the principia, the theory of light, the theory of gravitation, or inventing the calculus was passing death sentences on people and having them hanged.) I guess we should just be happy that David Prater kicked his dog instead of cutting off his ear.
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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 19:32:51 EDT From: colak@uhavax.hartford.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: RE: YTSEJAM digest 2953 Message-ID: <009BA0DF.A0317A60.353@uhavax.hartford.edu>
I don't want to receive your mails any more. I've written severel times, but I still receive it. So please take me out of your mailing list.
Thanks
Fatih COLAK
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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 20:29:23 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FAQ you! Message-ID: <199709100029.UAA02133@tx.cs.wm.edu>
> From: Paul Goracke <pgor@netcom.com> > Subject: Michael Manring, FII sampler > =
> Now, this may be old news (I was on vacation for a few weeks) but this = past > weekend I picked up a promo "Dream Theater Metal Sampler" which include= s
[snip]
> straightforward, less of the complexity I like from DT. Price I paid: a=
> whopping $1 (not sure if that's a good or bad sign for the band).
Not only have I not seen hide nor hair of any of the new FII stuff, but I= 'm =
sure if I did, I wouldn't have seen it for a buck. How the hell do you p= eople =
find this stuff? And where can I get my mitts on it?
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> From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il> > Subject: Words that I don't understand yet want to... > =
> Just came up with an idea: Maybe the guy who edits the YTSEFAQ will put=
> a YTSE-Dict on the FAQ.... think about it....
Or you can check the regular, everyday FAQ for the answers to your questi= ons =
(for example, the meaning of IMHO). BTW, IMHO isn't a word, it's an acro= nym. =
TTYS.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------= - The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enoug= h =
cmerlo@cs.wm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gate= s d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a be= d http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Pear= t -----------------------------------------------------------------------= - Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions Lis= t http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 17:31:29 -0700 (MST) From: Fern Fryer! <fernandm@U.Arizona.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Thonkabook Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.970909172614.61304B-100000@f1n7.U.Arizona.EDU>
On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, R. Ananda wrote:
> > > I picked up an album this week that caught my eye: Michael Manring's > "Thonk." It's got Steve Morse, Alex Skolnick, Tim "Herb" Alexander, > and Steve Smith as featured performers. The CD is all instrumental > (yay!) and this Manring dude is one hell of a bassist. > > But what is a "hyperbass?" No one I've asked seems to know, yet > it is the instrument that Manring primarily uses on the album. > Any of you guys know? > > Rahul Ananda : spod@u.washington.edu or thehand@dreamt.org > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > The Zon Hyperbass a 3-octave graphite neck, _4_ Hipshot D-Tuners, a special bridge with additional tuner switches, Bartolini Quad/Mono pickup, piezo pickups, and curly maple top. You can see it at www.zonguitars.com.
I bought the book for that album a couple of days ago. Don't waste your money...simply TOO DIFFICULT!!!!!
Fernando Ma Materials science & engineering University of Arizona http://bigdog.engr.arizona.edu/~ma
"I like to work without contracts whenever possible. Contracts mean 'I don't trust you.'" - Victor Wooten
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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 21:39:50 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Virus Warning !!! Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.970831203127.28744A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sun, 31 Aug 1997, Ernesto Schnack wrote:
Hi, there... I had this message here on my postponed messages folder, and don't know if I sent it to the 'jam or not... Maybe nobody is interested in it anymore, but a few bytes won't hurt that much.
> > 3 - If your mail program executes any code as soon as you read the > > mail (be it by decoding the e-mail or by any other means), "put it in a > > trash can" :-) and get a better software that does *ONLY* what *YOU* tell > > it to do. > > ok PC-doofus here with a question: Does the preview screen in my email > program equivalent to "decoding the email or any other means" ?
Well, I don't know what your software calls preview, but if it is a MIME attachment, then you should always save it before you try to do anything with it.
And, of course, avoid getting binaries from promiscuous/uncertain sources. :-) And for those of you with M$-DOG or Windows, always use an anti-virus just for safety. And those running Linux shouldn't run anything as root. But I think that you already knew that. :-)
> jus' checking, > Ernie
Jus' thinking, Roger... :-)
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 17:40:13 -0700 From: Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: FAQ you! Message-ID: <199709100040.RAA17906@ichips.intel.com>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------= >- > The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enoug= >h = > > cmerlo@cs.wm.edu "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gate= >s > d-man@dreamt.org /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a be= >d > http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Pear= >t > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= >- > Maintainer of the Official Dream Theater Frequently Asked Questions Lis= >t > http://www.cs.wm.edu/~cmerlo/dtfaq.html
Feeling ill today, D? =)
-- Jim Beavens <jbeavens@ichips.intel.com> | If I had a witty remark that MD6 Design Engineer, Intel Corp, Hillsboro OR | would better the lives of my -=(UDIC)=- Subconscious Dragon -=(UDIC)=- | fellow mankind, do you really ** I don't speak for Intel ** | think I would put it HERE?
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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 20:56:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Mike Pontrelli <ponte@essc.psu.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Floyd fan and Dream Theater Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.94.970909204309.24056E-100000@thunder>
Greetings! my favourite group for the last 10 years or so (which, oddly, was when I started really getting into music) has been Pink Floyd. But, it is because I liked Pink Floyd that I got into Dream Theater..
It went like this: Back in 1991, when Floyd was taking a seven year break from music, I started searching for other "floydian' groups. I was on a Floud mailing list, and we started discussing other groups. It was there that I was introduced to Marillion (My first Marillion album was 'Bsides', primarilly for 'Grendel' (what an awesome song!)). I also started my journey into the mighty Queensryche. I dove headlong into Empire and Mindcrime, and eventually owned all their albums...
then I heard about a new, queensrycheish group: DT. I got Images and Words. Listened to it. Struck me as cheesey 80's stuff at first. Put it away for a few weeks. Dug it out. Gave it another try. WOW!! It was SO COLOURFUL!!! I fell in love with DT ever since. Unfortunately, being stuck in Alterno-Hell of Pennsylvania, Ive never got to a concert =(.
Sorry,, needed to get that offmy chest.. it is easy to go from Floyd to DT.
About Alternoshit music.. dont knock music because of the lack of complexity. I personally have been a HUGE Pearl Jam fan. Although they might not have the amazing technical wizardry of DT, the emotion they poured out at their concerts blew me away.. music does not have to be complex to be good.. it just has to hit an emotion...
I must also thank the jam .. I have been worried and depressed about the RECENT state of music.. where are the "Wall"s, the "Operation Mindcrime"s, the "Misplaced Childhood" of the late 90's? But I found out that great music has not died, it just now lies burried in the underground. Got "A pleasant shade of grey" and I now rest assured that terrific albums are still made. Thanks for introducing me to awesome music!
-Ponte
"Some are born to move the world, to live their fantasies but most of us just dream about the things we'd like to be sadder still to watch it die than never to have known it For you-the blind who once could see- The bell tolls for thee"
-Neil Peart
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