YTSEJAM Digest 2995
Today's Topics:
1) giant erection
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
2) conversions
by heh-whoo! <bolanddt@bigvax.alfred.edu>
3) Midwest Tour Dates
by "Matt Mommaerts (Fox 47)" <mattymo@inxpress.net>
4) Vanden Plas Question
by Coop42@aol.com
5) Re: Midwest Tour Dates
by id <fraser@stolaf.edu>
6) Rush tribute question, Paradise Lost, etc.
by "J. Cohen" <cohenj@execpc.com>
7) I'm laughing my ass off
by JB <beamup@vt.edu>
8) MP3 Recorder?
by "John Hough" <jhough@mindspring.com>
9) 'Could' Bizkit Limp?
by Über Cabe <caber1@concentric.net>
10) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Paradise Lost and FII First Impressions
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
11) "Our Spirit Dream Swims Upstream..."
by Chris Ptacek <someone@prognosis.com>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2994
by Shane Liebling <jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu>
13) Seven Wonders shipping info
by "David Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net>
14) the prefect way to celebrate the new album if you're in nyc
by Thrak75@aol.com
15) WJJO and Sean "The Man of Steel" RULES!!!!!!
by "sykes" <sykes@inwave.com>
16) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: "Our Spirit Dream Swims Upstream..."
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:10:12 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: giant erection
Message-ID: <01BCC7AA.1497ED40@Crusher.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
woot wrote :
> the whole binoculars theme is pretty cool. Two questions:
>
> Who are the Del Fuvio Monks, and what is that blurry thing on the back
> of the notes? It's probably just somebody wearing a red shirt on top of
> another one of those platforms, but it looks like a giant erection.
It's that last thing... I know, 'cuz I posed for it ;-P
Mark
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:15:18 EDT
From: heh-whoo! <bolanddt@bigvax.alfred.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: conversions
Message-ID: <009BAB03.909E59A0.30@bigvax.alfred.edu>
Hello Ytsejammers,
well, I'm starting to convert a professor of mine here to a Dream
Theater fan. should be interesting to see what a personality psychologist has
to say about them, no? starting off with "Precious Things" (thank you Mike
Bair! hope I spelled it right!). next to the list probably will be "A Change
Of Seasons". work in through the covers. wish me luck!
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 16:19:30 -0500
From: "Matt Mommaerts (Fox 47)" <mattymo@inxpress.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Midwest Tour Dates
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970922161930.007dd750@inxpress.net>
I just got off the phone from someone at Elektra... Tentative dates for DT...
The tour will start off in Boston, and move west... but those dates might
get moved to the end of the tour... but I only asked for dates around me...
and they are...
Saturday Nov. 1 Chicago House of Blues
Sunday Nov. 2 Minneapolis 1st Avenue
Monday Nov. 3 Milwaukee The Rave
Remember, these are TENTATIVE and may change...
:-)
Matt
P.S. if there have been dates posted, sorry... I was away for a little bit..
Personal: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo
Mosh Pit: http://www.inxpress.net/~mattymo/moshpit
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:56:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: Coop42@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Vanden Plas Question
Message-ID: <970922172811_36633204@emout08.mail.aol.com>
Hi everybody,
can somebody who owns The God Thing tell me how it does compare to their
first album Colour Temple? I have that one and I'm not *too* excited about
it... It's definitely not a bad album, but for me it sounds a bit like 80s
hard rock with a few prog influences and since I'm not such a big fan of 80s
hard rock it doesn't do very much for me.
Oh yeah, I bought FII today, but I guess the next few hundred jams will be
cluttered with 'first impressions' anyway so I'll keep quiet for now...
Take Care,
Andreas Berger
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:01:54 -0500 (CDT)
From: id <fraser@stolaf.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Midwest Tour Dates
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.970922170006.28757B-100000@lars.acc.stolaf.edu>
>
> I just got off the phone from someone at Elektra... Tentative dates for DT...
> Saturday Nov. 1 Chicago House of Blues
> Sunday Nov. 2 Minneapolis 1st Avenue
> Monday Nov. 3 Milwaukee The Rave
1st Ave??? holy small venue batman... however it would rock some mighty
ass, seeing as how i could probably get in free through the college's
radio station... :) not to mention it is a fine place to see a show...
small stage though... any other MN jammers surprised to see this?
latah,
alex
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:48:27 -0700
From: "J. Cohen" <cohenj@execpc.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Rush tribute question, Paradise Lost, etc.
Message-ID: <342711DB.1A8B@execpc.com>
I read somewhere that Neil Peart said some negative comments about the
Working Man tribute, anyone know what went on? And regarding the
Paradise Lost thread, they're one of my favorite bands. Everything from
"Gothic" to "One Second" is really cool. "One Second" is definitely
different, very song-oriented and laid back on the guitar, but still
great. My only complaint is the drums--they do fit the songs and
techno-ish feel, but I expected a lot more from Matt Archer.
Jordan
BTW, I love FII, esp. ANM, BMS, and Just Let Me Breathe. And unlike
most people it seems, I love Take Away My Pain but hate Anna Lee.
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:49:56 -0400
From: JB <beamup@vt.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I'm laughing my ass off
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19970922184956.007c3900@mail.vt.edu>
First off, that post from USENET was hilarious... then I get this... wow!
The first true bits of comedy in the jam for quite a while!
>Burning my Soul
>
>Burning, as in using fire, which is opposite to the water that stop the
>fire. Also, fire is timed, unlike the sea which is infinite. The human
>soul, or spirit, might be considered timeless.
And don't forget... there's a "sole" fish... so probably some witty double
meanings there by the guys at DT...As for the burning part... those guys
have been sitting on those posts for a while, and are probably sunburnt.
ALSO -- IN FACT... SALT WATER BURNS!!!!! (like seawater in a cut) and
there you go!!
>Hell's Kitchen
>
>Hell is supposedly timeless, like the infinite sea.
Yes, and of course, certain parts of the sea are heavily polluted, thus
probably containing utensils and other things from the Kitchen (i.e. the
kitchen garbage)... some people don't like the water, and thus it would
be a hell of sorts... also... hell is said to be full of fire&brimstone
(which
burns), and sea water in a cut would burn... hey.... therefore, the sea is
akin to hell, and the kitchen!!!
WOW!!!!
>Take Away My Pain
>
>Sometimes, for the pain to disappear, or to at least wane, a person
>might want to go to a deserted island (yes, in the infinite sea).
speaking of pollution, there's loads of hypodermic needles and things in the
ocean, (even certain marine life) that could kill you, thus taking away
your pain...
>Just Let Me Breathe
>
>If you're drowning in the sea, you will need to breathe. Also, if you
>are flying very high in the sky, you might experience the feeling of
>lack of air.
Those guys on the pillars are probably being circled by (unseen) sharks, and
therefore nervous, and probably therefore experiencing a mild form of
asphyxiation.
>Anna Lee
>
>On a second thought, anna is some kind of a coin and lee means a
>shelter from winds. A coin is the shape of the lens in the binoculars (a
>major theme in the art work) and the particular place at sea that is
>shown in the picture is some kind of a lee since there's apparently no
>wind at all...
and the guy on the left has a niece named anna. The guy on the right is
named Lee Tront.
>III - The Wasteland
>
>The wasteland is opposite to the sea.
or akin to this message...
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:52:06 -0700
From: "John Hough" <jhough@mindspring.com>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: MP3 Recorder?
Message-ID: <199709222301.TAA06538@brickbat8.mindspring.com>
I have the Winamp program to play MP3 files, but I need something that will
record them! Any suggestions?
John Hough
jhough@mindspring.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~jhough
GO PADRES!!!!!!!
Tony Gwynn watch for 8th batting title --- 8/22/97 --- .369 (1st)
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:29:33 -0700
From: Über Cabe <caber1@concentric.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: 'Could' Bizkit Limp?
Message-ID: <34271B7C.2320@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
> From: Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
> Subject: Re: Bands reviews...
> I never said they're not allowed, I was just saying that you COULD check
> these web pages before asking these questions, because the web pages may
> answer your questions...
Well, as long as you said 'could' who 'could' agrue.
> From: Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
> Subject: Re: Bands reviews...
> you said that the homepages said things like "this band rules" and "this
> band sucks"...btw, this wasn't directed to you personally, but it seems
> like some people prefer to ask the jam about things that they can easily
> find out looking on the web
Okay, maybe I 'could' just a poseur but from this paragraph I get the
feeling you want people to find oscure web pages about oscure bands. And
that you don't want people asking the jam. I don't know, I 'could' get
this feeling because you didn't use 'could' or it 'could' be that you
say that people "can easily find out" about bands the web. I 'could' be
just a dork. Or I 'could' be an asshole. Oh yeah, DT 'could' a bunch of
sell-outs. Nah, DT just sucks. Especially that one song, what's it
called? Gnat Sees Jane, or something.
--- > From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> > Subject: Limp Bizkit sucks. =)> Let me be the first to say how badly this band is. They are _so_ > bad that they got BOOED OFF THE STAGE last night. Really. After like > 30 minutes. They were _that_ bad.
I heard the band is really tight. BUT(<--that's big butt, see) the frontman(rapper/screamer) is a real asshole. Kinda like KJLB on his good days. ;)
> It was like a cross between Korn and Vanilla Ice.
"All Day I Dream About...ICE ICE BABY TOO COLD TOO COLD" Yeah man that should be their next cover song! :)
Über Cabe caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 09:39:52 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Paradise Lost and FII First Impressions Message-ID: <4A25651A.007F3CBC.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
Yep, I have been a Paradise Lost fan for a few years now, I like 'One Second', they are a band who are not afraid to try new things, as a fan, I appreciate bands who don't rehash the same old stuff album after album. I don't know how many new fans they have picked up with the new sound, but from the people I have spoken too, they have lost many long time fans. Now I am hoping and I expect/hope a return to a more 'metal' sound with their next album. As for FII, I get the album later on today, however I won't be posting any 'first impression' reviews, I hate them, how many times do you like an album from the very first play, then months later get bored with the thing ? Those albums that get better with every listen, are for me the ones that go the distance, those albums (like Angra's) that every time you heard them you hear someting new are the albums that are favourites of mine. So I am hoping not to like FII that much after the first listen ! One more thing, every time I heard Savatage's 'The Wake Of Magellan' , I can hear the influence of STYX in some of the song's, which IMO isn't really a bad thing. Please, no more, 'I know a lot of other people will be as diappointed as me' posts, you can't speak for other's so dont ! :)
gRaham_
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:50:56 -0500 From: Chris Ptacek <someone@prognosis.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: "Our Spirit Dream Swims Upstream..." Message-ID: <2.2.32.19970922235056.0074e220@pop.enteract.com>
>From: Pasi Sundqvist <psundqvi@planet.fi> >Subject: I'm sorry, FII sucks
>This same thing happened with the latest Queesryche. The change of line into >grunge which sells better. I bought FII on Friday morning but I don't aggree >with Mike, this stuff doens't sound amazing. It's lame. Where are the odd >time signatures? Where are the complicated polyrhythms? What happened to the >wild odd solo parts in the middle of the songs? Yeah, sure, Mike tries to >play so that it sounds more complicated than it is, but it cannot help. If I >want to listen to this kind of straightforward songs, I'll buy Rolling >Stones or Nirvana, but I doubt. I must say I'm disappointed. >I'll rather listen to Images and Words.
This is what I love about the Ytsejam. There's an overabundance of opinions, and an even greater overabundance of ignorance. If you're of the mindset to respond to what I'm typing, please address the points and questions I pose, rather than just say "You're wrong, asshole." First, to Pasi specifically (The rest of this post is directed to everyone), please point out the parts of the songs that sound like Nirvana. Be sure to give us some reference, too. Give is the times on the Dream Theater song, and at least tell us what Nirvana song it sounds like. Even on the simpler music Dream Theater makes, it's still far more complex and well thought out than you give it credit for. People, if you're buying the Falling Into Infinity expecting Metropolis, or looking for 70 minutes of non stop shred YOU'RE LOOKING IN THE WRONG PLACE! It should be obvious to you by now IF YOU ARE a Dream Theater fan that Dream Theater is neither Megadeth nor Cacophony. They have changed dramatically over the course of their writing, not just because they're maturing as a band, and not just because they're getting better as musicians, but because they are consciously trying NOT TO RE-WRITE the same old music they've been making. Dream Theater thus far has proven itself NON REPETITIVE. That's a quality I cherish in music, with so many bands releasing the same song over and over again (Listen to the melodies and chord progressions on Jewel's singles). If you are knocking DT because they have some slow songs, you're quite ignorant. Dream Theater never, to my knowledge signed a contract that said "We will henceforth be a METAL band. We will not allow a song to go below 120 BPM..." I PRAY for some tempo variations. What about a slower tempo defaults a song to "bad" or "Grunge" (as they both seem to share the same meaning on this list)? Slowing the music down often makes it more dramatic and emotional. Speeding it up often makes it sound cheesy (Can you say Manowar?)... but still, it's the quality of the MUSIC that matters. If you disqualify music because of slower tempos, not only are you missing out on some really cool music, but you're also going to ignore some of the absolute most technical music that's ever been written. I've only heard about half of the new album so far, and it's been VERY complex (Pasi, maybe you're only listening to the drums and are somehow dissatisfied? You're not qualified to tell me that the guitar parts aren't as complex, and in some cases, more complex than I & W. I've been playing guitar for 9 years, and I think at this point I know what simple music is and what complex music is.) and VERY progressive. Perhaps some of you were introduced to Progressive music by Dream Theater. If that's the case, you might not have CLUE #1 what progressive music is. Do your research, and you'll see that the term has been flying about since the 70's (at least in Rock music... perhaps earlier in other genres). Progressive means to progress... to move forward. That REQUIRES CHANGE. For a band like Racer X to progress, for example, it would require the guitars, bass, and drums to have gotten more simplistic, thus allowing the music itself to become more complex. There is a homeostasis involved in keeping an album sounding mature. You all know that DT has not become lax, and they're still practicing their balls off, so certainly they're CAPABLE of playing pure shred, polyrhythm-filled wankery. If being progressive means just being as intricate and complex across the board, with all of the solos shredding 16th note triplets at 208 BPM all the way through, why didn't Dream Theater do it? We know Petrucci can play that fast... why didn't he? _BECAUSE THAT WOULD BLOW_. Are you looking for a song, or are you looking for a challenge to the standard of "X is the best drummer ever" or "Z is the fastest guitarist in the world"? I don't get the impression that DT is trying to win a competition. I hear a band trying to make the music that they want to hear themselves. You may be able to play 90 notes per second, but if it doesn't sound musical, you suck worse than "Grunge" supposedly sucks. So tomorrow Falling Into Infinity is released in America, and within minutes of the release, ignorant Ytsejammers will write ignorant reviews about how bad the album sucks, because they know that everyone else on the list cares what they say about that kind of thing. But these same ignorant Ytsejammers who claim musical superiority (by virtue of the fact that they can play all of Awake and Images and Words FINALLY after years of work, and could play the stuff on Falling Into Infinity in their sleep, because it's so "grunge") still have nothing to show for themselves. Maybe it's jealousy, because they're too insecure about their own playing to realize that sometimes a polyrhythm can fuck up the whole mood of a song, where a simple 4/4 rhythm makes it PERFECT. Regardless, just because YOU may think that a band has to show off, and prove its technical ability on every song of every album, doesn't mean that you know jack shit.
- Drizzt Du'Urden Ptacek
Tidbit O' the day: On their album _Candyman_, the band Los Lobotomys (featuring Steve Lukather and Simon Phillips) there's a reasonably long song called "Party in Simon's Pants" (instrumental, thank God) in which the main chorus/theme of the song is played in 17/8. Merely LISTENING to this song may tie your fingers to your toes as you count along. (It happens to be extremely well written, so it's not just good for having such bizarre time sig!)
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 16:49:49 -0700 From: Shane Liebling <jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2994 Message-ID: <v03007800b04cb371d29e@[169.229.75.60]>
>I know exactly what you mean. I was obsessed with DT long before I >realized how talented they had to be to pull off some of the stuff they >did. Does anyone else feel the same sense that time has no meaning when >listening to DT? I can listen to ACOS or WFS and barely notice the >difference in time. All right, that's an extreme example, but I first >got I&W on cassete. The times are not listed for the individual song on >the tape. I didn't realize how long the songs were till I got the CD a >year and a half later. I seriously didn't even notice the 9 minute >difference between WFS and LTL. I just sort of space out when I listen >to DT, I guess. And what is also strange is that even today, after >hundreds of listens to each album, I hear something new everytime.
I definitely feel along the same lines. Look, the main reason I listen to DT is the feeling I get when I hear their stuf, no matter what album or bootleg it is. It all just makes me sit back and just feel good. I too have to say that listening to ACOS and listning to YNM is all the same. I get the same feel out of both. Heck, I have been listening for about 4 years now and I still couldn't sing an entire song through without looking at lyrics. But it doesn't matter to me cause I still fee awesome when listening to it. BTW, I too started with a tape copy of I&W and had no idea about lengths, I still don't. Less than 24 hrs to go till the New Millenium starts!!!
-Shane
____________________________________________________________________________ Shane Liebling R "All of us get lost in the darkness, jusenkyo@uclink4.berkeley.edu U dreamers learn to steer by the stars CAA Layman and Ytsejammer S All of us do time in the gutter, Member of a.m.m.o. since 1997 H dreamers turn to look at the cars." -------------------------------- The Sites --------------------------------- The Short Me - http://www.hotwired.com/members/profile/demolitionman/ The Long Me - http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi Cal's RC5 Mirror Site - http://www.earthlink.net/~mariachi/rc5/ Deutch Hall's Webpage - http://www.reshall.berkeley.edu/unit1/deutsch/ ---------------------------------- by Me -----------------------------------
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:50:18 -0500 From: "David Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Seven Wonders shipping info Message-ID: <19970922235121.AAA6665@hombre>
Never mind, I lied. There will be a small gap in the shipping of orders. I went to the printer today and the 100 new liners won't be ready until *Wednesday*. Doh! I just shipped off the 50th disc, which means I'm completely out of liners currently. Shipping will resume promptly on Wednesday, though.
D. Ryan Whitaker David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net http://www.geocities.com/soho/2236
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:54:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Thrak75@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: the prefect way to celebrate the new album if you're in nyc Message-ID: <970922195249_56048172@emout09.mail.aol.com>
i found something in the village voice that gave me an erection:
tower records, in greenwich village. 9/23.....george clinton and the p-funk all starts to perform and hold an autograph session for the release of their new double cd.
so i figure i'll be clad in my awake tshirt, go get my fii and the new coltrane box, and have george do some signing. yay!!!!!!!!!!
don't forget- coltrane's bday tomorrow.
ytsegoon
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david y. kobayashi the new york law school thrak75@aol.com dkobayashi@nyls.edu
"i bring truth and understanding, i bring wit and wisdom fair- precious gifts beyond compare." -n. peart ******************************************************************************
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:10:38 -0500 From: "sykes" <sykes@inwave.com> To: "The Ytse Jam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: WJJO and Sean "The Man of Steel" RULES!!!!!! Message-ID: <199709230008.TAA09202@iria.inwave.com>
Hey all, well what else can I say... Sean is promoting the new album hardcore, I swear DT is going to be huge in South Central Wisconsin. Most of the DJs say they are getting lots of requests for BMS.
Tonight Sean is giving away copies of FII, plus the nightly "Rock the Vote" is FII vs. Queensryche-Operation Mindcrime. Naturally I call up to vote for FII, and, feeling lucky I tell Sean that one of those cd's has MY name on it. So he says, alright dude, it's yours! So I am looking forward to getting a copy in the mail soon.
Of course this won't stop me from buying it tomorrow anyway :)
laters, -doug
| sykes@inwave.com |
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:19:58 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: "Our Spirit Dream Swims Upstream..." Message-ID: <4A25651B.000189BB.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
Well spoken Madsman, my thoughts exactly, couldn't have put it better myself. You speak a lot of sense, let's hope some more jammers do the same in the next few days. great minds do think alike, after all :)
gRaham_
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