YTSEJAM Digest 2996
Today's Topics:
1) DT tour date question
by Stephan Dobay <reginars@mandic.com.br>
2) titles in the cover
by "The Artist Formerly Known As woot" <woot@crypted.com>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2994
by hazzy <hazzy@navin.com>
4) -NEW DREAM THEATER ALBUM SEPTEMBER 23-
by Glover <glover@dns.thewebcorp.com>
5) I's ignorant
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
6) Ptacek
by "The Artist Formerly Known As woot" <woot@crypted.com>
7) Elektra web page
by David Edwards <bub2000@ibm.net>
8) Best Rush Album
by Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
9) Re: "Our Spirit Dream Swims Upstream..."
by Jeff Hochberg <jeff@grinmedia.com>
10) FII (No Spoilers)
by NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
11) Falling Into Infinity
by "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
12) The clock on the wall is ticking away (very slowly).
by Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com>
13) JP's playing, Album covers, Stress
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
14) 2 very weird Phish-DT references
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
15) Re: stuff
by Mike Jones <mgjones@mcs.net>
16) Where are you now
by "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au>
17) DT on WRIF
by "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org>
18) UNCLASSIFIED:-FII In Sydney
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:15:06 -0300
From: Stephan Dobay <reginars@mandic.com.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT tour date question
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970922211506.007c0c30@pop-gw.mandic.com.br>
Hi, I have a question about a Dream Theater tour date.
I recently got a tape labeled:
VARESE,ITA,PALAGHIACCIO 4JUL95
I looked at the tour date history file, the only one I could find was out
of date, but the dates around this time were:
06/13/95 Lido Beach, NJ Club Malibu (Echolyn)
07/28/95 Hampton Bay, NY Canoe Place Inn
Does anyone know if they went through Italy in July 1995? Also, could
someone tell me where to find a more up to date tour date file?
Thanks!
Stephan
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:15:44 -0600
From: "The Artist Formerly Known As woot" <woot@crypted.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: titles in the cover
Message-ID: <199709230019.SAA27205@mailmx.micron.net>
<snipped examples of how the titles of songs can be found on the FII cover>
>This presentation was to show you all how you can find secret meanings
>where you didn't expect to find them...
Either that or it demonstrates that you can pretty much to that any album
there is. for example it's "only a matter of time" before that dude gets
branded for making "a fortune in lies", but I really doubt they had that in
mind when they made the cover.
It rolls down stairs
It comes not in pairs
Runs over your neighbor's foot.
It's great for a snack
And fits on your back
It's woot! woot! woot!
woot™ from Blammo!®
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:38:38 -0700
From: hazzy <hazzy@navin.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2994
Message-ID: <34270F8E.BF15980D@navin.com>
> Ernesto said:
> > Satriani, Extreme, Rush, and most recently Tool. And that's what I'm
> > looking for in DT's music. Not odd time sigs and difficult solos. I don't
> > care if they write simple songs, change the logo, shave their heads,
> > whatever. As long as they have undesbribable thing they will remain my
> > favorite band. Anybody else feel the same way?
>
> I know exactly what you mean. I was obsessed with DT long before I
> realized how talented they had to be to pull off some of the stuff they
> did. Does anyone else feel the same sense that time has no meaning when
> listening to DT? I can listen to ACOS or WFS and barely notice the
> difference in time. All right, that's an extreme example, but I first
> got I&W on cassete. The times are not listed for the individual song on
> the tape. I didn't realize how long the songs were till I got the CD a
> year and a half later. I seriously didn't even notice the 9 minute
> difference between WFS and LTL. I just sort of space out when I listen
> to DT, I guess. And what is also strange is that even today, after
> hundreds of listens to each album, I hear something new everytime.
>
Yeah I have the same experiences. Actually, I listen to DT with headphones on most of the
time, and I've kind of gotten into a habit of listenting to them on while rocking on my
rocking chair. But damn, the time flies. I have literally rocked from something like 3:30 pm
to 9:00pm at night just keeping the cd on loop, or sometimes going through multiple CD's..
it's ridiculous. Like a naturual high or something, well, all good music does that to me, not
just DT, but the first time I heard DT (ACOS believe it or not) I was hooked.
On the 1st quote, I believe that music is an emotion. And you can't really judge it by how
"technical" it is. Sometimes music just has to be felt really. I know Music theory, but a
lot of the time I choose not to use it with my band, becuase I believe that really deep
analysis of a song usually has the affect of making it bland, and worn out. Well that's just
my take on things.
-hazzy
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:06:04 -0500
From: Glover <glover@dns.thewebcorp.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: -NEW DREAM THEATER ALBUM SEPTEMBER 23-
Message-ID: <3427240C.6381@dns.thewebcorp.com>
The new Dream Theater album will be released Tuesday, September 23rd.
TITLE: Falling To Infinity
Tracklisting:
Where Are You Now
Take Away My Pain
Raise the Knife
You Or Me
AnnaLee
Carnival
Cat's Tail
"Completely Untitled"
Total runnng time: 70+ min.
Rumors of a May release....
Management and the band would like everyone one to know that despite any
rumors by the press or other sources there is no plan for the band to
release the new album in May, or any other date at this time. There is
no tenative release date for the album, so any publication or person
stating otherwise is wrong. There is no release date at this time.
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:12:30 -0400
From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I's ignorant
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970923011230.006969d8@pop.pipeline.com>
Chris Ptacek stammered:
>So tomorrow Falling Into Infinity is released in America, and within
>minutes of the release, ignorant Ytsejammers will write ignorant reviews
>about how bad the album sucks, because they know that everyone else on the
>list cares what they say about that kind of thing.
So if one does not care for the new record - that person is ignorant?
It is tough to label someone's opinion as ignorant. Let me take that back;
it's obviously not difficult at all. I realize you aren't saying that -
you are just bashing the *ignorant* jammers who dislike it! Aha! I guess
the only thing I can really take umbrage with would be the part about people
on the list not caring. Each side of a given debate should have its opinion
voiced - be it distasteful or not. So, all you who hate the new one, or will
hate the new one, be you ignorant or not, *I* am listening. Like everyone
else on the list cares what I say about that kind of thing...
CD of the Day: Dokken - Beast From The East
Green Bay Packers - The Quest to Repeat
3-1
This Week: at Detroit
Kevin
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:10:54 -0600
From: "The Artist Formerly Known As woot" <woot@crypted.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Ptacek
Message-ID: <199709230115.TAA08486@mailmx.micron.net>
>Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:50:56 -0500
>From: Chris Ptacek <someone@prognosis.com>
>To: ytsejam@ax.com
>Subject: "Our Spirit Dream Swims Upstream..."
Chris's finest hour has arrived!! please post that to the DT newsgroup as
well (or let me do it). I big Amen to everything in there.
It rolls down stairs
It comes not in pairs
Runs over your neighbor's foot.
It's great for a snack
And fits on your back
It's woot! woot! woot!
woot™ from Blammo!®
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:35:39 -0400
From: David Edwards <bub2000@ibm.net>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Elektra web page
Message-ID: <01BCC79F.7DE94BA0.bub2000@ibm.net>
Well, I'm just counting the hours like everyone else. Just (successfully)
requested "anything from the new Dream Theater" on the local station, so
while waiting for them to play it, I went searching. Someone had mentioned
the Elektra DT page being updated...by about a sentence. I found that, but
they also had another (very little) piece about them. It's just an
animated gif of a few pictures from the cover and a little blurb. Boy, and
everyone here has been saying they're not getting promoted. How can you
beat a two sentence addendum to a two year old web site? I guess with a
little picture. Anyway, here it is:
http://www.elektra.com/metal_club/metal_club.html
(There are several different features, so you might have to scroll through
them...)
David
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:01:59 -0700
From: Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Best Rush Album
Message-ID: <34272316.29E6@pacbell.net>
There seems to be a general consensous that Hold Your Fire is the best
Rush Album, you have my vote on that one. But just like there can't be
just "one" best DT album, there is no best one Rush album....they are
all great both Dt and Rush. But Chronicles is a good all around
investment. It covers many years in the Rush discography. I am also
partial to Counterparts. Wonder why? hmmmmmm
Carol Dellinger
coldfire@pacbell.net
You can do alot in a life time.....if you don't burn out to fast.
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:40:20 -0400
From: Jeff Hochberg <jeff@grinmedia.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: "Our Spirit Dream Swims Upstream..."
Message-ID: <34272C14.2B33@grinmedia.com>
You have crystallized my thoughts MOST eloquently, Mr. Ptacek!
I think your last post should be framed and and made required
reading for all those so-called DT fans out there crying "sellout"
like a bunch of 3-year-olds.
FII is nothing less than a masterpiece. Listen with an open mind
and you will understand more and more with each spin. If you're
spending your life dying to hear another wank-fest like the middle
of Metropolis, then please do the rest of us a big favor, unsubscribe
and go play I&W backwards or something.
Judging from the divided opinions we've seen so far, this list
could get REAL ugly after tomorrow. I just wanted to publically agree
with Chris before the jam got too busy for anyone to notice. If you
missed his article the first time around, please, for the love of god,
go back and find it. If you've already read it, go back and read it
again. A more articulate piece of wisdom this jam has rarely seen.
Jeff Hochberg
jeff@grinmedia.com
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:02:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: NuGgeTMaN <emoeglin@wezl.org>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: FII (No Spoilers)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970922225908.24194B-100000@infinite.wezl.org>
I Finally got to hear FII today...but because of the damn law and people
who are wimps I wasn't able to buy it :~( All's I gotta say is I think
it's superb...and hopefully DT has enough material left over to release
another album promptly. Now what REALLY Sux is I have to wait until
tomorrow or WED. to get it (ARGH!!!) What ever happened to the good old
days when it was easy to get an advance copy 3 weeks before the release
like with AWAKE...I had that like a month before it came out...oh well.
Keep on jammin!
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:03:25 -0400
From: "Bruce D. Duesterhoeft" <bduesterhoeft@enter.net>
To: YtseGods <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Falling Into Infinity
Message-ID: <3427317D.22DE@enter.net>
Wow!
This album is the quintasential meaning of PROGRESSIVE. Besides the
maturity of DT writing (sorry, I haven't spent much time on the lyrics,
but I obviously don't expect a decline), every song on FII is not just
different than each other they're different than anything else before
(besides the few White Zombie riffs I heard).
All I can say is that this album has the following elements:
progrssiveness, metal, classical, jazzy, phsycadelic, blues, ballads,
emotion, power, uniqueness, character and a great sound.
Actually I'm surprised that it sounds this great! It's so diverse, yet
so Dream Theaterish. The songs that blew me away off the bat were New
Millennium, Lines In The Sand and Just Let Me Breathe. But every one
kicks ass (and just think....they still have a few great ones written
waiting to be released).
I hope all you doubters see the light...because you don't know what
you're missing. This album is the true meaning of progressiveness.
Take Care,
Bruce D. Duesterhoeft
(your TV GUIDE guide)
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:54:33 -0400
From: Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The clock on the wall is ticking away (very slowly).
Message-ID: <34272F69.401F@net1plus.com>
Hmmm. Let's see:
> The tour will start off in Boston
YYYEEEESSSSS!!!!!!
> From: Chris Ptacek <someone@prognosis.com>
> Subject: "Our Spirit Dream Swims Upstream..."
> You may be able to play 90 notes per second, but if it doesn't sound musical, you suck
> worse than "Grunge" supposedly sucks.
Wow! Finally a sensible post. Right on, Ptacek!
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> From: "David Whitaker" <David-Whitaker@worldnet.att.net>
> Never mind, I lied.
I don't take too kindly to lyin' Jammers... And you can tell your stepfather I said so.
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> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 19:10:38 -0500
> From: "sykes" <sykes@inwave.com>
> plus the nightly "Rock the Vote" is FII vs. Queensryche-Operation Mindcrime.
Does anyone else think it is unfair to pit a brand new album by an almost unheard of
band against a very well known band's classic work?
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O.K. Anyways, I hope everyone has a Merry Christmas tomorrow. I know all of you
pessimists out there are going to see your presents as a lump of coal, but I left out
milk and cookies for The Man so I'm pretty optimisic.
~-~Jon Dery~-~
-May visions of lines in the sand dance in your head.
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:57:34 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: JP's playing, Album covers, Stress
Message-ID: <19970922170037.AAA4486@sni.pananet.com>
I just got some old 'lost' posts that I'll respond to now...
> I dunno. I think it's this album where he really shows his own
> style. Awake was sort of "Getting there".... he didn't sound like anyone
> else (with a few exceptions) but he didn't sound very unique either. The
> solos I've heard on FII are what officially seperate him from the realm
of
> guitar wankmanship. He's gettin' damn good.... :)
>
I agree 100% there. So far I've been able too get a good listen to the
solos for Peruvian Skies and Hell's Kitchen, and both are amazing...it's
tingle city man, total emotion. I wouldn't doubt that this CD will make
Petrucci the next 'guitar hero'...hey we've been needing one of those for
quite some time:)
> >I think the cover of an album is one of the most intergal parts of the
> >ALBUM itself.
>
> I couldn't agree less. :) I think the cover is a piece of
paper,
> with little value, except for pictures of the band's gear, notes, and
maybe
> lyrics, if some of them seem to say things like "Death is the first
dancing
OK, i agree that the music is the only thing that really counts. But you
can't deny that the cover affects how you hear the music. I'm no
psychologist, but visual and audio experience seem to go hand in hand.
That's why when I listen to ACOS, without looking at the cover, I 'see'
blue. I wouldn't go as far as saying that it'll decide if yoiu like it or
not, bet it can definitely affect, both positively and negatively, how you
hear the music.
>The best way to judge a person is by his behavior at times of
>stress...that's when the real personality is shown, without the minimal
>mask of hypocracy everyone has...
No, a person 'real personality' is way too complex to judge in a briefg
moment. A moments behavior at times of stress, is exactly that, his
behavior during times of stress..just a part of his personality. When we're
under stress just about everybody is an asshole because our bodies are
tense and the blood pressure is high.
Ernesto
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:07:44 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: 2 very weird Phish-DT references
Message-ID: <19970922170754.AAA4623@sni.pananet.com>
OK first reference..it was a very weird dream. I dreamt (.org, sorry,
couldn't resist:) that I was this lame video show that's on every day here
in Panama, and they said they were gonna put the 'Burning My Soul'. I was
like, What? they already have a video?
So I put in my video tape and record, and the video starts. There's JLB
walking in a dark street, ala Satriani's 'Big Bad Moon' for those of who've
seen it... then eventually they all meet at a club (the song hasn't started
yet). So then they all plug up and start jamming. At this point I'm
expecting to hear BMS, but instead they start playing Phish "Stash". I wait
patiently, but they never play BMS. Suddenly I realize I'm dreaming, wake
up, and realize that I'd set up the timer on my stereo to wake me up with a
Phish CD. It was kind of a relief, actually:)
Second refernce: a friend just let me borrow Phish's 'Lawn Boy', and on a
couple of songs, there are these high-pitched screams in the background.
Later on in the credits, I read :
Engineered by Dan Archer and Dean LaBrie
and i think, " cool, labrie, hehe"
later on I read:
Heavy Metal Screams- Dean "The Cheese" LaBrie
hehehehe:)
Ernesto
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Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:04:02 -0500 (CDT)
From: Mike Jones <mgjones@mcs.net>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: stuff
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.95.970922230007.265C-100000@Mercury.mcs.net>
I think I have to somewhat agree here. Demonic so far (I haven't listened
to it extensively yet) is probably my least favorite of theirs, although I
wouldn't go as far to say I hate it. I still like it.
Well, it's now midnight on the east coast....I can almost hear the mad
rush of ytsejammers to the stores! Only one more hour to go...ho
hum...better leave soon so I can find a place to park (bad part about city
living...)
-- Mike Jones, mgjones@mcs.net _____________ Web Design: mike@biggorilla.com Progressive Genius( http://www.progmetal.org/ring )Progressive Metal RingOn Sun, 21 Sep 1997, Don Compton wrote:
> Testament- Demonic > Hate it. Too heavy and most people I've met agree with me. Where the > hell is the Testament that we all love and know? John Doe is the only > half-way decent song on the album. Sorry
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:41:03 +1000 From: "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Where are you now Message-ID: <199709230440.OAA28993@extra.ucc.su.OZ.AU>
Anyone here know where I can get a MP3 format version of Where Are You Now?
See ya,
Rainer
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 01:05:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "John R. Kotzian" <koggie@cyberspace.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com (Explore The Boundries) Cc: the-vorlon@e-mail.com (Craig "Tha Vorlon" Newmeyer), Subject: DT on WRIF Message-ID: <199709230506.BAA19857@grex.cyberspace.org>
Hey,
WRIF FM here in Detroit, MI had picked up Dream Theater's "Burning My Soul" and will play it if enough of us request the song on a daily basis. If you live in the Detroit area (Or just want to help DT get some air-time) please call WRIF and request the new Dream Theater.
It is important that you don't give the song title, as they might dismiss it as a ploy to get air-time from Elektra and not legitimate listeners requesting the song. So call 313-298-WRIF and request the new Dream Theater. If you call once a day and they get enough requests, they start to put it into heavy rotation and play it all the time.
Thanx in advance. -John --- "Life is cast in shadows, ,swodahs ni tsac si efiL" molded by an expert hand, ,dnah trepxe na yb dedlom and the scenes that play before us, ,su erofeb yalp taht senecs eht and are the tragedies of man." ".nam fo seidegart eht era
koggie@cyberspace.org is John R. Kotzian Check out the Elsinore homepage @ http://falcon.ic.net/~lloyd/page17.html
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 15:16:19 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-FII In Sydney Message-ID: <4A25651B.001CC623.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
Hey all you jammers who live in and around Sydney, Utopia records have the US import of FII on sale NOW, be quick as I don't think that they have too many copies left.
gRaham_
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