YTSEJAM Digest 3002
Today's Topics:
1) It just doesn't GET any better than this...
by MTeiper@aol.com
2) FII helps you get dates. :)
by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
3) After a WHOLE MONTH of listening to FII.....
by "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" <pmukhop@med.wayne.edu>
4) Kevin Grungy
by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3001
by sstys@ix.netcom.com
6) new acronym -- "nfiir"
by "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" <pmukhop@med.wayne.edu>
7) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3001
by sstys@ix.netcom.com
8) Re: YTSEJAM digest 2998
by Elvis Bird <ebird@vianet.net.au>
9) Ytsejam #3000
by Daniel James Temmesfeld <s1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
10) Keeping it brief...
by Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
11)
by al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (Dan Abosso)
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3001
by CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu>
13) Re: DT: Disturbing Things
by Brandon Elhai <belhai@drew.edu>
14) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Kevin Grungy
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3001 (who wrote YNM)
by Mike Jones <mgjones@mcs.net>
16) LITS/TAMP
by Brandon Elhai <belhai@drew.edu>
17) where anna lee fits
by Eric Desobe <edesobe@emory.edu>
18) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Falling Into Low-Fidelity
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:42:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: It just doesn't GET any better than this...
Message-ID: <970923173839_1429035298@emout01.mail.aol.com>
My friends...
Just got through FII.... I'VE FALLEN AND I CAN'T GET UP!!!! 8-D
Much happiness in the household... I fookin' LOVE this album! So much more
mature! So much more emotional! So much... better? Hmmm... that's a tough
one. I will say this, however - I must rank it on an equal with I&W and
Awake. This baby's THAT good... at least IMHO. ;-) By the way, I did my
part to help pay the bills for the guys... I bought the CD AND the tape.
(Gotta have something for the car, you know!)
'Nuff said, 'cause everyone's a critic, and I don't wanna waste too much
space. I just wanted to say my piece. Keep rocking!
- Matt T.
P.S.:
> Happy 'Jam #3000 - A New Millenium of Ytsejams!!! (and a damn good tune, as
> well).
Damn.... I was gonna post something like this! Ya beat me to it! :-)
NP: 3 guesses, and the first 2 don't count... ;-D
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:12:17 -0400
From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FII helps you get dates. :)
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970923181217.006a0e10@pop.negia.net>
Greetings ye 'jamanoids.
3000 ytsejams, with no end in sight....
So I walk into the nearest Blockbuster Music after work, grab the 1 copy of
FII they have in the racks, and take it up front. I hand it to the girl
saying, "I didn't think you guys would have any copies of this." She smiles
and says, "Yeah, we got a few in."
While she's ringing it up, she asks me, "You a really big Dream Theater
fan?" I nod frantically with a big grin and she says, "Do you have any of
their bootlegs?" I nod again and we start chatting. I find out she's a big
DT fan as well. We discuss our mutual hatred of the local AOR-oriented
radio stations, and I direct her to Mike Bahr's site so she can get hold of
some DT bootlegs, and start to leave -- when she asks me to wait a second,
and asks if I'm doing anything that night!
She must have misread my raised eyebrows, because she grinned sheepishly
and said, "Nobody I know likes DT, it'd be nice to talk to somebody who
appreciates good music." So we make a date for later that evening.
I'm listening to FII now, smirking, loving the music, and generally
enjoying being a prog fan.
Oh yeah, my thoughts on the disc: Pretty good so far. I *like* Peruvian
Skies (that's as far as I've gotten right now).
Cheers,
Phil
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Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life."
-- Berthold Auerbach
"Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who
no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired,
gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:32:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" <pmukhop@med.wayne.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: After a WHOLE MONTH of listening to FII.....
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.970923182614.18234A-100000@moose>
i done gone and wrote a review for the school paper.....which i mentioned
last week on this here forum......
and today, I just become a published critic, fancy that......
so, it ain't a huge paper (Wayne State University's The South End)
but, it's a safe bet to say this is one of the first reviews of FII to
appear in print, and esp. in the college media.....
and those of you who favored me by reading it last week (thanks!, btw) can
attest that it's a good review, if not particularly professional (hey,
it's my first one.....)
the paper's web site is down, but if anyone who ain't read it cares to
www.umich.edu/~ahtrap/fii_review has a very close to final draft.....the
editor dude put what i wrote into the paper uncut in any way......
unfortunately, he also chose to throw in two more music reviews todays,
leaving no room to print the cover picture......
partha
"History.....is a consensus hallucination"
James Cameron, director of Terminator 2, Titanic
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:32:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Kevin Grungy
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.970923172903.21960A-100000@rossby>
So, is the new producer into grunge?
The first 2 songs don't even sound like DT. You, Not Me: Who is this
band? Sounds like Sound Theater, or Dream Jam. Total grunge sound with
not much clarity, even more so than HitNF by Queensryche. I think that
CD had much more clarity. Bass and guitar is turned way up (on the low
end), with everyone else turned down. Portnoy's not doing much of
anything so far. Shit!
It almost sounded like another vocalist. Very strange indeed, this
alternative approach.
-Jon
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:40:15 +0000
From: sstys@ix.netcom.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3001
Message-ID: <34280D0F.447D@ix.netcom.com>
> 4. This is the most disturbing thing, to me: you'll notice in the credits
> that "You Not Me" was written by Dream Theater and Desmond Child.
>
> Do you all know who Desmond Child is? He's a professional song doctor, a
> hired gun, a hitmaker, a guy that record companies hire to come in and
> "help" a band write a hit song, give them a little boost. He worked with
> Aerosmith quite a lot, co-writing a lot of their newer hits (Dude Looks
> Like a Lady, Angel, What It Takes, Crazy, plus a bunch of their other songs
> that aren't hits -- in fact, Aerosmith has more songs co-written with
> outsiders now than they have written by just band members, which is pretty
> sad). He even came out with his own album, "Golden Child," undoubtedly
> titled in sly reference to his ability.
Look a little closer. It says "Lyrics written by John Petrucci and
Desmond Child."
If your gonna say something at least get it right. this is not a
flame just pointing out fact. anyway who cares if he is used to write
a "hit song" that would mean more exposure and more mony for these
guys which they very well deserve.
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:53:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Partha S. Mukhopadhyay" <pmukhop@med.wayne.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: new acronym -- "nfiir"
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.970923184813.18234B-100000@moose>
meaning "no fii review"
About Rush: Buy Presto!
About Ted Nugent: He opened for the supremes once, according to this
rolling stone encyclopedia of rock that i'm reading.....it doesn't
mentione dream theater, even tho it was wrote in 1995, so it sucks
anyone ever see this in a library or something, pick it up, it's got a lot
of cool stories about basically a shiiteload of bands.....and it has all
the band member changes a band has gone through.....Yes' changes take up
half a column alone :)
good reading, I say
Partha
If everything is possible, then nothing is true
And that's the abyss we plunge into.....
- documentary maker Ken Burns (Civil War, Baseball)
talking about photo manipulation technology on Nightline
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:50:35 +0000
From: sstys@ix.netcom.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3001
Message-ID: <34280F7B.5644@ix.netcom.com>
>
> 2.) The production seems quirky...sometimes the production
> absolutely rocks, others it is just terrible, veery
> inconsistent IMHO.
>
the reason this is , was that they recorded the songs individually and
not each individual track per instrument individually. I like it as
it provides a change in mood, feel , and sound from song to song. And
ohh god, YNM is an excellent song all around. don't knock it cause DC
helped write the lyrics.
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 06:58:19 +0800
From: Elvis Bird <ebird@vianet.net.au>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 2998
Message-ID: <3428498B.FA780385@vianet.net.au>
How do i leave the list???
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:56:13 -0400
From: Daniel James Temmesfeld <s1133627@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ytsejam #3000
Message-ID: <3428490C.87389C5F@cedarnet.cedarville.edu>
WOW!!!!
I actually was taken back by that number...
I've been on here more than 2/3 of it...since #698...
And I'm sure many more have been on from the beginning. Well, happy
b-day to the Ytse & the Jam...
Dan
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 17:56:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com>
To: Just Words <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Keeping it brief...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.970923174833.22488A-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
]From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
>I've only heard [A. Haslam] sing on the songs on some of the magna carta
>tributes. Well, I can't stand her voice. It's a shame that on the one
>tribute in order to listen to Steve Howe you have to listen to her sing.
>Does everyone really like her? This is just my opinion and her voice just
>doesn't do anything for me at all...
Well, I haven't heard the MC tributes, so maybe her voice has gone
downhill (She must be close to/in he 40's by now?) Her stuff with
Renaissance is bliss. Kinda folky, but perfectly controlled and pure,
and she has a better range than Mariah Carey (i.e. she can actually sing
at the top end, rather than just make orgasm noises.)
On a related note, I picked up FII after work today (big surpise.) I
thought I'd plan music for the trip; so my car CD player had Renaissance's
'Prologue' playing. Track? "Bound for Infinity." :)
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]From: id <fraser@stolaf.edu>
>> I just got off the phone from someone at Elektra... Tentative dates
for DT...
>> Saturday Nov. 1 Chicago House of Blues
>> Sunday Nov. 2 Minneapolis 1st Avenue
>> Monday Nov. 3 Milwaukee The Rave
>
>1st Ave??? holy small venue batman... however it would rock some mighty
>ass, seeing as how i could probably get in free through the college's
>radio station... :) not to mention it is a fine place to see a show...
>small stage though... any other MN jammers surprised to see this?
Surprised is an understatement. Last time (only time) I was there, it was
full of punk/alternative fans, goths, and people with body piercings in
places where I don't have places. :) Unless it's changed in the past
couple'a years, it doesn't sound like DT's crowd...
--Jay "could, however, be talking out his ass again" Omega
--NP: well, duh!
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:12:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: al682@osfn.rhilinet.gov (Dan Abosso)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Message-ID: <199709232312.TAA07080@osfn.org>
Hello,
What exactly is a "Chapman Stick" ?
-- Meek and obedient, you follow the leader Down well trodden corridors into the Valley of Steel...------------------------------
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:27:55 -0400 (EDT) From: CLARK ABEL <99ABEL@alma.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3001 Message-ID: <01INZRNIW51U9ODPCQ@alma.edu>
>Look a little closer. It says "Lyrics written by John Petrucci and >Desmond Child." > >If your gonna say something at least get it right. this is not a
After the song it says lyrics by JP and DC. At the end of the album, it says all arrangements by DT, except YNM, by DT and DC. I would say that this leaves it up in the air as to whether he worked on the whole song or just the lyrics. If your gonna accuse someone of being wrong at least make sure they are. Oh, but this isn't a flame. -Clark
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:30:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Elhai <belhai@drew.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: DT: Disturbing Things Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.970923193014.606152298A-100000@drew.edu>
On Tue, 23 Sep 1997, Scotch wrote:
> 3. John Petrucci's photo in the CD booklet makes him look like either Dave > Grohl or Baba Booey.
Finally someone out there agrees with me that Petrucci looks likeDave Grohl.
Brandon
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:21:32 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Kevin Grungy Message-ID: <4A25651B.007FB275.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
Hey Jon are you sure you bought the right CD ? Or is your disc been miss-pressed ? Or have you been listening to too much grunge that you can't tell Adam from Eve ? Or do the Cauliflower's growing in you ears need to be picked ? There is NO grunge on FII, if you think it does, seek urgent medical attention. :)
gRaham_
So, is the new producer into grunge?
The first 2 songs don't even sound like DT. You, Not Me: Who is this band? Sounds like Sound Theater, or Dream Jam. Total grunge sound with not much clarity, even more so than HitNF by Queensryche. I think that CD had much more clarity. Bass and guitar is turned way up (on the low end), with everyone else turned down. Portnoy's not doing much of anything so far. Shit! It almost sounded like another vocalist. Very strange indeed, this alternative approach.
-Jon
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:38:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Jones <mgjones@mcs.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3001 (who wrote YNM) Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.3.95.970923182005.1174A-100000@Jupiter.Mcs.Net>
To clear up your point....
The "lyrics" were written by JP and DC (stated at the end of the lyrics), but the "song" was written by DT and DC (stated in the last part of the liner). So the original poster was correct.
All sneers and gripes aside about whether they "sold out" or not (I don't believe so), I _do_ know that I have a few friends I want to have listen to this, because they may be more "into" this album. Some people I know don't even give the other albums a chance. So if DT can draw more people by having a "hit song", than the more power to them. Trying to make a song more radio friendly so you can continue to do what you love and get more people aware of you isn't necessarily a bad thing. Where I draw the line is when a band focuses their entire efforts on what the public wants (radio songs) and not what they want, and I don't believe in a second that this is what FII is. Dream Theater is a diverse band with diverse talents, emotions, and ideas. I fully hope the next album will be as different from FII as FII is from Awake. I want to see (hear) what DT is capable of and not see them forced into any one style.
Unrelated: As for NM, if I had only heard the first 30 seconds, I would swear I was listening to RUSH.
-- Mike Jones, mgjones@mcs.net _____________ Web Design: mike@biggorilla.com Progressive Genius( http://www.progmetal.org/ring )Progressive Metal Ring
On Tue, 23 Sep 1997 sstys@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> > > 4. This is the most disturbing thing, to me: you'll notice in the credits > > that "You Not Me" was written by Dream Theater and Desmond Child. > > Look a little closer. It says "Lyrics written by John Petrucci and > Desmond Child." > > If your gonna say something at least get it right. this is not a > flame just pointing out fact. anyway who cares if he is used to write > a "hit song" that would mean more exposure and more mony for these > guys which they very well deserve. > >
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:39:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Brandon Elhai <belhai@drew.edu> To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: LITS/TAMP Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.970923193820.606152298A-100000@drew.edu>
The beginning of lines in the sand reminds me of the movie Flash Gordon where the evil Ming appears.
And take away my pain sounds U2-ish.
More from me on this album later. I have to get used to it.
Brandon
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Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:43:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Desobe <edesobe@emory.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: where anna lee fits Message-ID: <Pine.WNT.3.95.970923194206.-471055C-100000@edesobe.resnet.emory.edu>
For those looking for all the songs symbolically in the album cover here is some help.
Anna Lee = lee back backwards is = eel
eels are in the sea. Simple, simple. Take the time.
-Eric
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Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:59:38 +1000 From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: Falling Into Low-Fidelity Message-ID: <4A25651B.00805EEF.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
Well Jason you have already proved to all of us in recent weeks that you can't read the DTIFC fanzine and that you take no notice of the almost daily post's about the 'Seven Wonders' disc and now the the egg is really gonna be sticking ot your your face with your most recent words of wisdom on FII.
>Just picked up FII 2 hours ago at midnight. (Saw maybe 1 or 2 >other buyers?) It's a little too earlier to post much of a music >review (Hollow Years jumps out as being very non-DT yet VERY cool!!) but >I just have to comment on the sound quality, or the LACK of sound quality.
So how many times have you listened to it once or twice ? Get yourself a decent system to listen to it . Hollow Years, is the first intelligent thing you have written to the jam.
>All of those MP3 and Real Audio files weren't far from the truth. The >sound SUCKS on this album! Can hardly hear the snare in some places.
Yeah a loud crashing snare in Anna Lee would have really fitted in brilliantly.
>It has no brightness or airy-ness at all. It should be somewhere between this sound and >the ACOS coffee-can sound and it would be perfect. >Vocals get "blurry" in many places. Either too many effects or not enough. Hard to >understand the lyrics in many places. I guess guitar/bass/keys sound decent for the most >part but the drums and vox blow. Less treble then WDADU - I didn't think that was >possible! I usually have the treble set at 0 or 1 on my stereo in truck and that works >just find but I had the treble cranked and it still sounded like I had cotton balls >shoved in my ears. I think it sounds worse than QR's HitNF.
Once again I say get a decent system, it sounded damned good on my Marantz system, thirty year old speakers an all.
>Lets hope the music grows on me. I'm gonna give it time.
Don't bother, your probably the kind of guy who complains about winning a new car and not being the right colour.
Steve Z and I were sitting there in the parking lot at Tower Records, listening to it and we saw a bunch of cop cars and fire trucks ride buy. I said it was probably a mass-suicide at a DT listening party. hehe
Nah they were coming to take you back to your padded cell.
>Also, DOUG PINICK (sp?) - DIE DIE DIE!!!! What a mistake THAT was. Ugh!
Well this is where you totally blow my respect and any credability that you ever had. Doug's vocals are awesome and make the song even better.
>Welp, that's it for now. I can't wait to read the 87 ytsejams that >will be showing up in my box in the next 24 hours. :)
You've already proved to us all that you don't acually read any jams.
Can't wait for your responce to this one Jason, do I get two fingers this time ?
:)
Yours in humour
gRaham_
Tongue firmly in cheek...............
NO offence Inteneded Jason :)
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