YTSEJAM Digest 3038
Today's Topics:
1) How Could This Happen?
by Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com>
2)
by "Tony Gonzalez" <jagonzal@wam.umd.edu>
3) Master of Puppets vs. Images & Words
by Marroquin Arellano <vstcomp@guate.net>
4) Under A Cyber Moon - Part II
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
5) "nazi pig" and "supporters"
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
6) Re: You Not Me about commercials and solicitation?!
by Maximilian <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
7) Quick Questions
by sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu (Stephen LaMonica)
8) Koba's rhythm fetish
by dseeger@juno.com (Deborah J. Seeger)
9) Following up my posts
by Über Cabe <caber1@concentric.net>
10) Ugh, it's him again!
by Über Cabe <caber1@concentric.net>
11) CDs and time limits
by NightCast <NightCast@usa.net>
12) TNT sunday night football
by Michael Torres <lilmikey@creighton.edu>
13) Rush has TNMS site, where's DT's?
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
14) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3037
by Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:43:16 -0400
From: Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: How Could This Happen?
Message-ID: <342ECF74.29E3@net1plus.com>
I'm annoyed.
The person/people who printed out the lyrics in the FII booklet must
have been smokin' some industrial strengthed weed! There are A TON of
mistakes.
YOU NOT ME:
- "TELLING(should be SELLING) me lines I've already read."
- "It's all ABOUTYOU not me."
- "and all that YOUIRE expecting me to give."
- "It's all ABOU you not me."
PERUVIAN SKIES
- "I'm taking all of this TIME(???) with me when I go."
BURNING MY SOUL
- "and you ask me why my HAIRS (should be HAIR'S) gray."
LINES IN THE SAND
- "SOMETIME (should be SOMETIMES) we dig an early grave"
ANNA LEE
- "To steal from you the INNOCENSE that bleeds."
This simply should not have happened. The Spell Checker was invented a
long time ago and proofreading is certainly not a new concept. Reading
the lyrics to YNM for the first time was painful.
~-~Jon Dery~-~
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:58:09 -0400
From: "Tony Gonzalez" <jagonzal@wam.umd.edu>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Message-ID: <199709282154.RAA15645@po4.wam.umd.edu>
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:59:17 -0600
From: Marroquin Arellano <vstcomp@guate.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Master of Puppets vs. Images & Words
Message-ID: <342ED335.313D@guate.net>
Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> wrote:
> Today they are more commercial-based, but I'm yet to
> see some group produce an album as good as "Master of Puppets" (well, I
> have only two albums that are on the same level of this one: I&W and
> Morningrise).
I really disagree with you on this. I suppose that you don't play any
instrument, because if you did, you'd notice the complexity of I&W
compared to Master of Puppets. I think I&W is on a much higher level
than any album from Metallica. (Don't know this Morningrise you
mention).
I like Metallica, and I have the MoP CD. In fact, it was one of the
first CDs I learned to play (I'm a bassist). Metallica used to be one of
my favorite bands, until I discovered I&W and the rest of DT's albums.
They made me change my perspective of what a musician should be.
If I were a member of DT, and some fan mentioned that I&W was "as good
as Master of Puppets", I would feel very dissapointed knowing that there
are people out there who can't distinguish between a piece of gold and a
piece of wood.
Juan Pablo Marroquin
Guatemala, Central America
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 23:42:10 +0100
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Under A Cyber Moon - Part II
Message-ID: <01BCCC6C.B61E3AE0@Data.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Hi there,
I'm sure this post is gonna get lost in all those profound reviews of
'Falling Into Infinity' [sarcasm mode off], but here it goes...
As some of you know, I maintain a very popular Dream Theater website,
called 'Under A Cyber Moon'. On the European release date of 'Falling
Into Infinity', I realized Dream Theater had changed... matured. That
made me realize how dated 'Under A Cyber Moon' looked, and decided to
rebuild the site from scratch giving it a fresher and more consistent
look. All the old 'ingredients' are still there, though. (news, FAQ,
bio's, discography, songbook, tabs, midi's, programs, #Ytsejam page).
Under A Cyber Moon - http://www.prognosis.com/dream/
Please take a look, and let me know what you think (itchy@dreamt.org)
Thanks :-)
" J u s t c l o s e y o u r m o u t h , y o u c a n f i n d
a l l y o u n e e d w i t h y o u r e a r s "
Mark
_______________________________________________________itchy@dreamt.org__
I feel shipwrecked, _ _____ ___ _ _ _ _
I might as well be shipwrecked [=][_===_]/==_][=\_/=][=]_[=]
I'm helpless and alone, drifting out to sea | | [ ] ( (_ | _ | \ /
(Genesis - Shipwrecked) [_/ [_/ \___][_/ \_] [__/
_________________________________________________________________________
Dream Theater online "Under A Cyber Moon" http://www.prognosis.com/dream/
Itchy's http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ H Website http://www.a-vip.com/H
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 00:04:09 +0100
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: "nazi pig" and "supporters"
Message-ID: <01BCCC6C.C0002320@Data.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Jeremy Ulrey bitched :
>> Find another band that doesn't make you think.
>
> Fuck off, nazi pig.
Now, was that neccesary, you cock sucking motherfucker ? :-)
> Why don't you find another mailing list whose members aren't
> open to criticism. Some of us fans are still under the impression
> that bands like Dream Theater care what their supporters think.
Sure, Dream Theater probably does care about what their SUPPORTERS
think... It's just that there don't seem to be many of them on the
Ytsejam right now. There are more "Dream Theater fans" BASHING FII
for whatever reason, than there are people bashing the Spice Girls
for not having ANY musical talent at all... You know, criticism is
not neccesarily a bad thing, but the shit some Jammers have posted
is just TOO MUCH. Most people would not even bitch that much about
bands that they HATE. Dream Theater sure are lucky, with fans like
that (I wanted to put the word fans in quotes, but that would have
fucked up my perfectly left and right justified paragraph !). :-)
I suggest everyone takes a deep breath, before they post something
that could cause three extra digests of flaming. Just a thought...
I'd like to add that I am starting to love 'Falling Into Infinity'
even *more* than 'Images And Words' (previously my favourite Dream
Theater album).
Mark
____________________________________________________bredius@globalxs.nl__
I feel shipwrecked, _ _____ ___ _ _ _ _
I might as well be shipwrecked [=][_===_]/==_][=\_/=][=]_[=]
I'm helpless and alone, drifting out to sea | | [ ] ( (_ | _ | \ /
(Genesis - Shipwrecked) [_/ [_/ \___][_/ \_] [__/
_________________________________________________________________________
Dream Theater online "Under A Cyber Moon" http://www.prognosis.com/dream/
Itchy's http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/ H Website http://www.a-vip.com/H
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:41:27 -0400 (EDT)
From: Maximilian <madmax@andrew.cmu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: You Not Me about commercials and solicitation?!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95L.970928183926.5862A-100000@unix18.andrew.cmu.edu>
On Sat, 27 Sep 1997, The Phoenix wrote:
>(interpretation deleted)
Funny, I thought YNM was about DT fans (the more rabid variety).
-maximilian
MadMax+@cmu.edu
http://thunderdome.pc.cs.cmu.edu/aepithex.html
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:18:16 -0400 (EDT)
From: sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu (Stephen LaMonica)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Quick Questions
Message-ID: <199709282318.TAA16952@polaris.sju>
Does anybody own Lost in The Sky? I am just wondering. It is a great bootleg
right off the sound board. Also, what is the quote from Hamlet at the end of
Pull me Under? (It is something like Oh that this too,too old flesh would melt)
I don't remember it word for word. Also, does anyone else hear Sheranian
on You Not Me in the beginnig, it sounds like he is doubling the bass. It is
really faint, so either listen carefully or on headphones. One last unrelated
question.....DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I WOULD BE ABLE TO PURCHASE A POSTER OR
TEE SHIRT FOR SOUTH PARK?????
Stephen La Monica
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:32:10 EDT
From: dseeger@juno.com (Deborah J. Seeger)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Koba's rhythm fetish
Message-ID: <19970928.183557.5047.0.DSeeger@juno.com>
>From: Thrak75@aol.com
>on a side note, someone mentioned to me that desmond child is known
>for
>"writing rhythms that women love." lady jammers (seeger, stop hiding
>underneath my panty collection!) and merlos? your thoughts.
>
<sigh> Koba hath summoned me, therefore I must speaketh...
I, for one, grew out of my "cock rock" phase years ago. But I suppose if
I were some rock 'n' roll slut I'd be shaking my booty and bumping and
grinding with the rest of 'em if I wanted to. Stuff he's done with
Aerosmith *does* have a groove and gives you almost no choice but to move
about in a sexually suggestive manner, so I guess I can see why someone
would make that observation. However, "You Not Me" is NOT such a song.
I have WAY too much respect for DT than to give away lap dances in the
middle of their set. Let the "groupie types" (who don't belong at prog
shows in the first place) do *that* shit. Does that answer your
question?
Debbie
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:09:36 -0700
From: Über Cabe <caber1@concentric.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Following up my posts
Message-ID: <342F0DE0.3A33@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
> ~Eckie, the persecuted grammar nazi
LOL "You nazi!!!" :)
--- > From: omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il > Subject: wow,relax!Crap, too much to say here. This is going to have to have it's own post. --- > From: JB <beamup@vt.edu> > Subject: ROTFLMAO... nice one uber > Nice catch... kinda caught him in the act there... :)
Thank you, thank you. :)
Just to make this clear because I know this is going to be held against me the next time a make typo, or do something stupid. I'm not trying to flame Eckie. I think by his response, he knows that I was kidding around and not trying to be hurtful. If not, Eckie I wasn't trying to be hurtful. From a couple of my last posts I have received some mail by some people who feel I've been kinda anal, hurtful, or something of that nature. If I came across that way, sorry I didn't have that intention. I was just pointing out that you shouldn't point out, or something. :) No hard feeling to anyone except maybe the person who wrote the post I'm about the reply to now...
Über Cabe caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:13:49 -0700 From: Über Cabe <caber1@concentric.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ugh, it's him again! Message-ID: <342F0EDD.431F@concentric.net>
> From: omeraron@mail.netvision.net.il > Subject: wow,relax!
> go easy on me! i'm just human! not even that-i'm israeli!
Are you a nazi? ;-)
> so maybe i've gone overboard with this kevin moore bullshit(maybe > not) but i don't wanna talk about that now, i don't wanna talk about > stupied boring facts like-who write what,who influens who and > bullshit like that. > i just want you all to LISTEN to the damn album.
Ok, I'll listen to the album, and /not/ think about who influences it & what it sounds like. [seriously] Ok, I'll go with that mindset with your post.
> the conclusions that i think you all should get from it that the > band,on the comlex of the song,they steped a step BACK,a big step > back! and the bigest step back in this album is the orginality!
What does a "big step back" mean? I've never heard this musical term before.
> every single song in this album can be idenify as another artist they > rip it of from! it's just not that!
Hey, I think you're about to break the rules from above.
> if i wanna hear pink floyd i'll hear pink floyd!
[shit, you did break them, big-time] Wait that would be thinking about who influenced it & what bands it sounds like!
> if i wanna hear metallica i'll hear metallica and not burning my > soul!
Wait that would be thinking about who influenced it & what bands it sounds like!
> the special characteristic that involved the light rock,heavy metal > and even the touch of the son of jazz:fusion!
And that(and more) is all on FII. (by the way, this also is about how DT influenced)
> i know that alot of you guys say things like: the more you hear > it,the more you like it, or that you only have to get use to it- > but i don't wanna "get use" to it!
So, you'll never "get" FII. Simple, right?
> i don't wanna go backwards in my music style!!
So, don't listen to it. Thinking DT is going to do what you want them to do, is flat out dumb.
[snip portrait of a young asshole snip]
> BUT that's not only me! every friend i have had similar phases and > consider FII as a big step back! nobody here like it at all!
Good! Go out and find stuff you like(and don't judge music by which stuff your friends like). There's a lot of music out there. I'm sure you'll like something. Music is fun, don't make it out to be some sort of competion between which band is "better."
> that's why i don't understand you guys! i thought that the fact that > you guys like DT showed a big musical understanding,that can idenify > a step back when they see one.
So, if someone has a "big musical understanding" they know what is a "big step back." Hmm, that would also mean that anyone with a "big musical understanding" wouldn't like FII. Do I need to go further with my point? > that's why i think my self as a good guitar player
Good for you. Not only are you a good guitarist. But, you know exactly what we shouldn't listen to. Great job. But, you know I thought I could pick out music that I liked. Thanks for taking the time out of your day to set me straight. :-P
> good guitar player-from chords > to notes to technique to feel,and now i have the combination of all > of them!
]From this I gather that you make you're own music, right? So, go out and get it on tape(or CD or whatever). And give it to some labels. Maybe you'll be picked up. Then when you put out your second album, I can say "he took a big step back." Because that phrase is going to be taken differentally, by different people.
[snip crap about feeling yourself up snip]
> that's another complain about JP playing,allthough he has a GREAT > control of the keys in the most AMAZING way,you can't skip that,but > he is so busy showing of his technique that it's frustrating!
That's what FII is! DT mellowing out a little. Someone on here(partha?) who said that this album shows that DT doesn't need to do a wanky solo to make a good song, anymore. Go and listen to FII, again.
> for example the solo of trail of tears-the 3rd chord of the progress > is making a big change in the notes on the key,i think that i'd had > to work on the progress for like few hours so i'll have to get use to > it,but john starts his 5 finger strech hammer on! i was very > dissapointed from that....
Whoa, you're saying that you don't like the song just because of one hammer on!?! What have you been smoking!?!
> i think that i made my point alot clearer now,i think...
Uh, nope. Well at least for me. > p.s. > you guys realy hate me,don't you?
At least you didn't say that you were right this time...
Über Cabe caber1@concentric.net
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:30:26 -0600 From: NightCast <NightCast@usa.net> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: CDs and time limits Message-ID: <01BCCC37.63102000@tron>
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> Wouldn't it be nice if CDs could hold more than, say, 10 hours of = music each?? I really wish this could be true (well, but now I'll = receive some messages of people telling me that they *can* put up to 10 = hours of music in a CD using MP3 files etc-that's not what I want; I = want a universal method of reading the CDs)...
Enter DVD, which even uncompressed would hold approximately 36 hours on = a double-sided double-layered CD. Add MP3, and you've got 300+ hours on = the same medium. I'd cream if I had 300 hours of non-stop non-repeating = DT. :)
-James
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:17:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Michael Torres <lilmikey@creighton.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: TNT sunday night football Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.95.970928191136.11573A-100000@bluejay.creighton.edu>
i have a quick question to anyone watching TNTs sunday night football...where my ears playing tricks on me or did i hear DT in the background when they were showing what happened two weeks ago with the cowboys and eagles??
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 20:19:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush has TNMS site, where's DT's? Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.91.970928201820.9353B-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
OK. Rush has TNMS where I have read countless articles on the web from Rush's past and gotten a great perspective on the thoughts of the band at the time of the article and their evolution. How about DT? Do we have a similar archive of articles? If so, where? If not, can we compile one?
Reach Damon Fibraio at damon@shell.monmouth.com keyboardist, vocalist, radio personality Deviant of Reality All of us get lost in the darkness, dreamers learn to steer by the stars All of us do time in the gutter, dreamers turn to look at the cars. Neil Peart of Rush
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:35:04 -0700 From: Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3037 Message-ID: <342EF7B8.3716@pacbell.net>
Eckie wrote:
> > Could someone tell me please what are the problems with glam?? Why > > do you think that the Eighties had bad metal? > > "She's my cherry pie, put a smile on your face, TEN miles wide!" (okay, so > that was nineties, but that's still glam dammit!)Glam sucked. Glam fell under > the category of poofy hair, simple arena rock drum beats, synchronized > stage-level jumping, brightly colored spandex clothes, and cool guitars with > paint jobs that made you want to cry 'cuz they were so bad. (Anybody remember > Stryper, LA Guns?) The worst part about this craze was the fact that this is > what popular society thinks of when you say the term, "Heavy metal" to this > day! > > It was just another stupid trend. (The trend is DEAD, The trend is DEAD!!!) > They were the same damn posuers who are copin' off Nirvana and Smashing > Pumpkins today. (Motley Crue) > > DT rules, btw. > ~Eckie, the persecuted grammar nazi > Can I get an AMEN for Brother Eckie!
coldfire
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