YTSEJAM Digest 3034
Today's Topics:
1) FII FAQ
by NightCast <NightCast@usa.net>
2) Fates Soundboard?
by MTeiper@aol.com
3) Merry Axemas/Vai box set
by Brandon Elhai <belhai@drew.edu>
4) more Moore
by Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
5) Two things and contacting Jim.
by Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3033
by "Tom Baddley" <tbaddley@ontheair.com>
7) Cover of FII
by David Plotkin <dhplotki@students.wisc.edu>
8) BMS in Cleveland!
by "George Sumschidt" <gsrockr@stratos.net>
9) You Not Me about commercials and solicitation?!
by The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
10) Re: John Petrucci talks about FII - Part 1
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
11) about that cover...
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
12) NFIIC
by yzzy <yzzy@theonramp.net>
13) Re: DT Thoughts....
by Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
14) Re: DT Thoughts....
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
15) Re: DT Thoughts....
by ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
16) Re: ummmmmmmmm
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:00:52 -0600
From: NightCast <NightCast@usa.net>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: FII FAQ
Message-ID: <01BCCB85.2B68AB20@tron>
I'm surprised I haven't seen this come up yet, I figured someone else =
would ask it so that I wouldn't have to..
So here it is.. Who is Vanessa, and who is Anna Lee? I don't suppose =
any typical jammers are going to know this, but perhaps someone that =
communicates with the band can find out. =20
Also, what exactly is the source of the bass line in YNM at 0:15 - 0:37 =
(among other places)? I'd assume upon first guess that it's just Myung, =
but listening really close it sounds like it's synthetic. Maybe this is =
the stick (?) or Derek doing his stuff. =20
Oh, and one more.. where are the other boys doing background vocals? =
They're all listed (with the exception of the Silent Man) as doing =
backgrounds, but everywhere I'm hearing the backgrounds I'm thinking =
it's LaBrie re-dubbed. =20
I still love this CD. :) Best DT yet!
=00
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:57:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: MTeiper@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Fates Soundboard?
Message-ID: <970927225706_1956955771@emout10.mail.aol.com>
Hey Gang -
Just a quick question here... I just got done listening to a fairly decent
quality Fates boot from the "Inside Out" tour, and I was wondering if anyone
out there has any soundboard recordings from this tour they would like to
trade? My main reason for doing this is to get a great recording of Ray
singing "Guardian" - I fuckin' LOVE that song, especially the way they played
it on that tour. So, if anyone can help out, I'd appreciate it. (I do have
a radio broadcast from that tour from Europe when they opened for DT, but
they didn't play Guardian. :-( ) Actually, now that I think about it, ANY
Fates soundboard would be cool! :-)
Also, does anyone have any Angra audio boots for trade?
I just moved, so everything is either in shambles, or boxed up, but I'm sure
we can work out a trade... eventually. :-)
As always with this sort of deal, private e-mail, please.
Thanx, Jammerz... Matt T.
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 23:56:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brandon Elhai <belhai@drew.edu>
To: Dream Theater <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Merry Axemas/Vai box set
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.95.970927235129.606200225B-100000@drew.edu>
I don't know if this has been mentioned, but I found out that Steve Vai is
organizing a Christmas album compilation that will be released on October
14th and includes some of these artists:
Joe Satriani - "silent night"
Eric Johnson - "the 1st Noel"
Steve Morse - "joy to the world"
Brian Setzer - "jingle bells
Joe Perry - "blue christmas"
Steve Vai - the Charlie Brown tune "Christmas time is here"
And Alex Lifeson will appear on it too but I don't know which song he's
doing.
Also, did you guys know that Mr. Vai is coming out with a box set in 1998.
The1st disc will be a "flexable" re-release, the 2nd CD will be the
flexable leftovers, I forget what the 3rd CD is called, but it's a
remaster of one of his albums I think, and the 4th CD is all thge stuff
that he has done for movies (ie. Crossroads, Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey,
PCU, etc.)
Man, I can't wait!
Brandon
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 00:05:14 -0400
From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
To: Delirium Tremens <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: more Moore
Message-ID: <l03110700b0537b5f6638@bootp-240-33.bootp.virginia.edu>
What with the little mini-furor going on over the importance of Kevin Moore
(yawn), I just wanted to like randomly point out my little theory on
"Space-Dye Vest."
You know from the FAQ, where Moore says that he got the idea from looking
through some catalog ("pages of Martens on angels") about some chick
modeling something called a "space-dye vest." That sounds kind of sketchy
to me; I've never heard of anything like that, have you...?
I think Moore's just bullshitting that interviewer (and us), and that the
title is meant to be more of a play on "space divest."
Divest means:
1. to strip of clothing, ornament, etc. (i.e. "The wind divested
the trees of their leaves.")
2. to deprive someone of something; dispossess
3. to rid of or free from (i.e. "He divested himself of all
responsibility for the decision.")
4. in law, to take away or alienate
5. in commerce, to rid of through sale (i.e. "The corporation
divested itself of its subsidiaries.")
So "space divest" could mean a few things. The first & foremost idea seems
to be that maybe Kevin was getting sick of fame (I mean, we talk about how
obscure DT is, but they're pretty famous when you think about it; Kev signs
tits for chrissakes) or the responsibilities of being committed to a band;
he literally needed some space to himself; he was literally being divested
of his space as a musician and as a person. Or that he wanted OUT of the
band, wanted to free himself of the responsibility of being beholden to the
band's, uh, Petrucciality.
And then there's all that stuff about the downfall of his relationship, so
that's another place in which he was being deprived of space, emotionally
perhaps, or maybe he was just bummed because she kicked him out of her
apartment. =)
OK, what else. Could be a stab at DT's musical style, that they (him
included, so he's maybe feeling regretful) made the songs too complex and
technical and so jam-packed full of riffs and solos and weird prog stuff
that none of the songs really got a chance to breathe* or got a chance to
be all that emotional (this is not my opinion, it's just perhaps an
alternate viewpoint, since Moore said he was going in a different direction
than DT was), so he might've been talking about the lack of space within
songs (and SDV definitely is a more spacious song in terms of simplicity),
or maybe the other way, that the long complicated songs took up too much
space and he wanted them to pare it down... Ah, whatever.
* Lie: "it's a hundred degrees I can't breathe" (well, maybe just a few
Berklee degrees); then perhaps Just Let Me Breathe is DT's little musical
justification? Actually, I doubt it. Just a stupid footnote, this is. =)
Also, some of you diehard Tori Amos fans (like me) probably know that Tori
often refers to her songs as her "girls," and, knowing that Moore was a
Tori fan himself, this brings to mind the SDV lyric "Found a new girl I
think we can make it / As long as she stays on the page" -- maybe a
reference to a new songwriting style? Something simpler than DT, whose
rehearsal music might've taken up many (cough cough) pages?
You know, Moore looks really miserable in all the Awake photos. Except the
wide-lens band shot, in which you'll notice that he has the leftmost fold
all to himself. Awww. That would be the "alienation" aspect of "divest,"
eh?
And then of course, maybe he thinks DT sold out, divested their prog roots
for the Big Money. Ha ha ha ha. Somewhere, Kevin Moore is laughing.
Probably waiting tables too, but hey. =)
Anyway, this is pretty much all bullshit stemmed from looking too far into
the semantics of a song's title, but shit, what's the Jam for if not
mind-mangling levels of inhuman scrutiny?
Raising a herd of caribou,
Scotch.
ps. Welcome to the waistland... where you'll find asses... nothing but asses.
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 00:04:23 -0400
From: Jon Dery <metropolis@net1plus.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Two things and contacting Jim.
Message-ID: <342DD747.691D@net1plus.com>
Just out of curiousity (and I really should know this already):
When can we find out how DT did on the album charts for this past week?
(Like Billboard or, um... something?)
I'd just like to know.
Also, In that JP interview just posted he talked about the Phish crowd
and them camping out and whatnot, and I would love to see DT become more
of a wicked live band. I'd love to see them with completely different
setlists every night and do a LOT more improv stuff (REAL improv. Not
pre-rehearsed improv.) It makes the tour stay fresh and exciting
throughout (IMO). They sort of touched upon that during the "Home For
The Holidays" shows in '95 and I would love to see them take it a step
further. I know that on the FII tour (or whatever they're going to call
it) I'll probably only go to one or two of the New England shows if they
have the same setlist every night. On the other hand, if it were to be
an "expect the unexpected" type of tour, I would see them as much as
possible (and I would start trading tapes more often as well). I'm
pretty sure the band would prefer it this was as they wouldn't just be
churning the same songs night after night.
Just a thought. Anyone agree?
Jim Olivera---> If you happen to be back on the Jam these days, e-mail
(or call) me.
~-~Jon Dery~-~
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 22:23:20 -0600
From: "Tom Baddley" <tbaddley@ontheair.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3033
Message-ID: <199709280423.EAA14862@out2.ibm.net>
> [End...Part 1...to be continued Sunday]
> Tom (Hand Cramp) Baddley
>Living comes much easier once we admit we're dying. -JP
> ------------------------------
> End of YTSEJAM Digest 3033
> **************************
Wow...my first EOJ!!! I feel so special! Makes me want to tweak my
nipples.
YtseBadd
O.K...I finally "get" Anna Lee...it's soaked in enough to start really
liking it.
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 00:04:33 -0700
From: David Plotkin <dhplotki@students.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Cover of FII
Message-ID: <v03007802b053b1491bc5@[144.92.180.122]>
Has anyone noticed that atop the right-hand chair on the cover sits the
lead singer from Live?? Wonder if he likes what he sees? Wow, it's really
amazing how people will go out of their way just to promote other bands
these days. He He.
Best Regards...
Dave Plotkin, "On the Leading Edge of Life"
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 01:09:44 -0400
From: "George Sumschidt" <gsrockr@stratos.net>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: BMS in Cleveland!
Message-ID: <199709280512.WAA14244@odin.ax.com>
Attention Cleveland DT fans. Joe Cleon, from the Scene
magazine was filling in for Dave Jonkers late Saturday night. I'm in
the Neon on my way home from a VERY good night of pool. I call
up WNCX 98.5FM and ask him if he has the new DT. He tells me
that BMS is cued-up and is going to be the next song ON THE AIR!
YES! There is a god and he listens to DT in Cleveland!
Now if we can just get WMMS is play something by DT. My vote
is for JLMB. Later all...on with the jam. Till next time, G.
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I'm a drummer. I play the radio real good.
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 00:13:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: The Phoenix <rctaylor@students.uiuc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: You Not Me about commercials and solicitation?!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970927234311.2677B-100000@ux7.cso.uiuc.edu>
All right, I know this is not what YNM is meant to be about (at
least I don't think so), but while reading the lyrics it struck me as
funny. What if JP and Desmond Child were venting about the
relentlessness of advertisements?! OK, it's a long shot, but there may
be someone out there who finds this funny. Well, here goes:
Being round you is driving me crazy
(I don't know about any of you, but commercials drive me crazy)
Watching you run is making me lazy
(All the people trying to sell you stuff dancing on the screen, while
you're vegging out watching TV)
You're trying to buy a piece of my head
Selling me lines I've already read
(I know the liners say "Telling" rather than "Selling", but I hear an S)
Speaking my name to try to confuse me
(Why is it that the commercials seem to target me specifically...eerie)
Say it again you're starting to lose me
(Let me hear that catchy jingle one more time!)
That's alright I'm okay
It happens every single day
(They've gotten used to being constantly nagged)
It's all the same
But I'm not blind
(Ah ha... you just want me to buy what you're selling!)
It's all about you not me
(Again...you just want my money, you don't care about me as a unique
individual)
It's all about the things
That you're expecting me to be
(You are placing social pressures on me to look a certain way with the
clothes I buy and the toothpaste I use and the car I drive)
There's not enough time to live
(I don't have enough time to buy or do everything you want me to)
And all that you're expecting me to give
(How much is that again? My pockets are only so deep)
It's all about you not me
It's all about you not me
You're building my prison brick by brick
(You're clouding my thoughts commercial by commercial)
Eating your words is making me sick (Self-explanatory)
You get what you want
Cause nothing is sacred
(THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR! And you'll step over your own mother to get one)
You're reading my mind
And leaving me naked
(All this psychological mumbo jumbo! Stop the mind games! How can you
sleep at night?!)
You say I gotta give before I receive it
(No cash on delivery if you know what I mean. No deposit, no return)
One of these days I'll believe it
(Make the jingle go away! Maybe if I buy the product, the voices will stop)
Yes, I have way too much time on my hands! At least this way I can
listen to FII more. And for those of you still reading, I don't
seriously think this is what the song is about, but maybe, just maybe...
-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-
| Robert Taylor The world may seem flown away |
| rctaylor@uiuc.edu Almost as if it cannot be saved |
| The Phoenix Will we be able to rise |
| From these ashes we've sown |
-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-~-_-
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 00:10:44 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: John Petrucci talks about FII - Part 1
Message-ID: <19970927191325.AAA29161@sni.pananet.com>
> Q: Do you sing?
>
> JP: Yes...I'm not going to sing tonight, though. Actually, this is the
> first album where I'm singing on it...and Mike and Derek are singing as
> well. We have our own little trio group and we do a lot of the
background
> vocals. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Could this be the DelFuvio Monks?
Ern
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 00:18:50 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: about that cover...
Message-ID: <19970927191601.AAA29199@sni.pananet.com>
Well I just got FII today, and the minute I saw the logo, Ithought "It's
out of focus" Really, it's the same logo, more or less. Ok, it's not
exactly what it would look like out of focus, but I think that's the effect
they wanted to give.
About the production...I like it, except for the low end. Instead of making
your chest thump it kinda clogs your ears. But what I love is that hear
EVERYTHING Mikey does on the drums.
In BMS, the fill MP does b4 going into "Twisting,turning,...", I hear this
noise there. Everytime he played that fill, I thought somebody was opening
my door. Weird.
Towards the end of HK I hear a hint towards the "Battered and bruised" part
on PS.
LITS is sooooooo fucking cool. I haven't had that much adrenaline flow thru
me in a while.
The chorus to JLMB should become our little ytse-prayer...seriously:)
This album has a lot of venting...and i agree with a lot of it. The lyrics
to NM are exactly thge feelings I've been having as of late. things have to
change.
YNM...It describes exactly a person I know. As generic as they sound, I
like the lyrics...But i'd like to hear the un-Desmondchild-ized version.
That's it for now...this album rocks too much.
Ernesto
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 00:37:25 -0500
From: yzzy <yzzy@theonramp.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: NFIIC
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19970928003725.007cd5e0@mail.theonramp.net>
>when DT's next album, "Crystal Illusion", is released in
>the year 2000
that far off?!? i was really hoping that it would happen a lot sooner.
maybe if we all beg and grovel or sumptin' ;-)
>Not a very big turn out, only 100 or so people!
*faint* only 100? maybe they shud come out here to the midwest to sign
cd's. they'd get a lot more then 100 people for a turn out.
last summer Jackyl came to town. kinda funny when their song "When Will It
Rain" was ignored by the radio station 4 years ago. then all of a sudden
it was a big hit when they came to town and people started buying their cd.
i'd say that well over 1000 turned out for their show. perhaps FW oughta
come out this way as well since the turn out for their shows are so small.
*sigh* God only knows that i'm really kind of sick of the people that walk
up to ya, spit and then say, "Howdy." you know, the ones that have that
big swollen cheek full o' dip and listen to Cowshit 99. any rock band
coming to town is BIG newz around here. *grin*
yzzy //Iz*zee//E*zee//E*ziz*ee//Y*z*z*y//Izzzzz
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 23:05:15 -0700
From: Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: DT Thoughts....
Message-ID: <342DF39B.522C@pacbell.net>
D-MAn wrote:
"
> But personally, I can think of something better to do sexually with my
> DT CD's!
Um, you lost me here."
If I lost you then I'm really worried......what I was referring to was
the fact DT's music is great background music for sex! Which makes me
worry even more about KillMary.....he seems to think I'm a guy. Thank
you Chris for realizing I'm a female. And for anyone else who may be
wondering.......When DT is the background music for sex.....my partner
of choice is male.
Carol Dellinger
coldfire@pacbell.net
(there's a reason I'm known as coldfire)
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 02:17:37 -0400
From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT Thoughts....
Message-ID: <199709280617.CAA11469@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
> > But personally, I can think of something better to do sexually with my
> > DT CD's!
>
> Um, you lost me here."
>
> If I lost you then I'm really worried......what I was referring to was
> the fact DT's music is great background music for sex! Which makes me
But, you see, you said "do sexually *with* my CDs," not "do sexually while
listening to my CDs." An entirely different denotation. Hence the confusion
and worrying.
> wondering.......When DT is the background music for sex.....my partner
> of choice is male.
Whoa, huh huh, cool. I'm gonna score. :)
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 01:27:18 -0400
From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: DT Thoughts....
Message-ID: <19970927202457.AAA29915@sni.pananet.com>
> wondering.......When DT is the background music for sex.....my partner
> of choice is male.
So when it isn't DT, uh, hehehehe
:P
Ern
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 15:58:28 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: ummmmmmmmm
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970927155824.0083f580@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 10:03 PM 9/26/97 -0700, "ESH" wrote:
>Does anyone think that the actual recording not song writing was rushed for
>all us DT enthusiasts??? Does anyone think that wastwest or southeast
>whatever records kind of forced DT into writing more "radio" type songs to
>make more money off them?? Just a few thoughts.
Go check out the new Metal Edge magazine, if you get a chance. They talk
about this stuff in there. Some pretty cool shots of the band in there
too. The single shot of Petrucci is just so badassed! I dunno how many of
you have seen it, but he's wearing all black, standing with his guitar in a
hallway (possibly backstage somewhere?), and he's got this all-METAL look
on his face. His goatee in the shot reminds me of some old westerns :)
Check 't out! If I can access a scanner soon, I'll scan in the shots and
post 'em on my webpage.
Laterz all,
IIIII
IIII IIIIIIIIIIIII IIII
IIII I IIII
II I I I I I II
I I I I I I I
I I II I II I I
II I I I I I I I II
IIII I I I IIII
IIII IIIIIIIIIIIII IIII
IIIII
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| \| >|_ /\ |\/| | |_||_ /\ | |_ | >
|_/| \|_/ \| | | | ||_/ \ | |_ | |
James Labrie: "Radio can go and suck my ass."
Vince LuPone
VGL@syspac.COM
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