YTSEJAM Digest 3035
Today's Topics:
1) "Another Day"/"Take Away My Pain"
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
2) Defending my honor...Coldfire speaks!
by Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
3) Help!!!
by "Peter Tatischev" <tatisch@glasnet.ru>
4) Why I still live in Ohio!
by jemmons@neo.lrun.com (John Emmons)
5) Kevin & all.
by Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?Wallstr=F6m?= <andreas.wallstrom@swipnet.se>
6) APSoG: One song or more?
by Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
7) You Not Me about commercialism
by durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
8) Re:about that cover...
by "Peter Tatischev" <tatisch@glasnet.ru>
9) Re: Whole buncha stuff
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
10) FII
by sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu (Stephen LaMonica)
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3033
by sstys@ix.netcom.com
12) Re: more Moore
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
13) Re: something different... Fates/Phish connection
by cn111@freenet.carleton.ca (Jean-Pierre Thibault)
14) Way too much free time.....
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
15) Re: DT Thoughts....
by Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
16) Something not to do
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
17) What ya doing? Shh, I'm posting to the Ytsejam uh-huh-huh
by Über Cabe <caber1@concentric.net>
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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 21:19:55 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: "Another Day"/"Take Away My Pain"
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970927211954.0083c4d0@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 05:34 PM 9/27/97 -0700, David Di Tivoli wrote:
>I think that Another day is connected with Take away my pain.....
>Have you seen Another day video?The girl with her brother that ask to the
>father to die another day..........
Yeah man, totally. I mean, the first song was Petrucci's way of coping
with his father's illness, and Take Away My Pain is about his father's
death. I like how it is such a happy song. To me, it means that Petrucci
looks at his father's passing in a good light. He seems to have overcome
his demons about the whole situation (I mean this in every sense of the
phrase), and I'm happy for him. Personally tho, I liked Another Day
better. TAMP just hasn't settled in with me yet. I'm sure it will, but
right now it just sounds a bit too Michael W. Smith-y to my ears.
Well laterz all,
Vince LuPone is my name,
Progressive Metal is my game.
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 00:50:39 -0700
From: Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Defending my honor...Coldfire speaks!
Message-ID: <342E0C4E.7295@pacbell.net>
> From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
>
> > > But personally, I can think of something better to do sexually with my
> > > DT CD's!
> >
> > Um, you lost me here."
> >
> > If I lost you then I'm really worried......what I was referring to was
> > the fact DT's music is great background music for sex! Which makes me
>
> But, you see, you said "do sexually *with* my CDs," not "do sexually while
> listening to my CDs." An entirely different denotation. Hence the confusion
> and worrying.
>
> > wondering.......When DT is the background music for sex.....my partner
> > of choice is male.
>
> Whoa, huh huh, cool. I'm gonna score. :)
>
D-Man Welcome to the deep end....how's the water?
>
> From: ernie@pananet.com (Ernesto Schnack)
>
> > wondering.......When DT is the background music for sex.....my partner
> > of choice is male.
>
> So when it isn't DT, uh, hehehehe
>
> :P
>
> Ern
Ern, DT is the ONLY mood music for sex! There are no other options!
For me there are no alternatives......males only!
coldfire@pacbell.net
(there's a reason they call me coldfire)
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 11:01:22 +0300
From: "Peter Tatischev" <tatisch@glasnet.ru>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Help!!!
Message-ID: <m0xFEDv-001A9KN@mail.glas.apc.org>
Hello, jammers!!!
I need your advice - a friend of mine is goinng to England and he asks me
what cool CDs by
English bands he can get there - he is particularly interested in
keyboard-oriented progressive
metal or rock.
Please, if you can help, mail me
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Untie these strings, I'm climbing down
I won't let them push me away
Change Of Seasons, lyrics by Mike Portnoy
Peter Tatischev tatisch@iname.com
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 04:09:08 +0100
From: jemmons@neo.lrun.com (John Emmons)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Why I still live in Ohio!
Message-ID: <v01540b02b05377f9443d@[204.210.205.63]>
George,
>Attention Cleveland DT fans. Joe Cleon, from the Scene
>up WNCX 98.5FM and ask him if he has the new DT. He tells me
>that BMS is cued-up and is going to be the next song ON THE AIR!
How could I miss this event! Not to mention it is BMS...that song
is one of my favorites...(but isn't the whole album?) I will definitly make
some more requests for DT songs to make sure this trend continues!
> YES! There is a god and he listens to DT in Cleveland!
>Now if we can just get WMMS is play something by DT. My vote
Why else do you think I am still in Ohio? Everyone comes to play at
least one show here! I am surprised WMMS hasn't played anything yet. They
were big Queensyche promoters, and you'd think the music runs similar veins
of interests.
oh, I remember the Hollow Years discussion that was started, and
the more I think about it the more I think it is about knowing when to
leave a relationship that isn't working. He leaves for an easy way out-
the wrong reason to leave or keep any relationship- instead of facing a
choice, he leaves to avoid decision- and she expresses everything, but
knows it is time to turn and leave. I think the shattering of Hollow years
is when you finally are free from that relationship which hasn't been
working, and now instead of pretending there was something there in that
Hollow relationship, the stone and burden has been lifted from your
shoulders to start again....well, I was having some second thoughts about
it from listening to the new album so much! You know how the lyrics grow on
you the more you listen to them!
Thanks for your time!
Maria
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Date: Thu, 09 Jan 1997 01:26:42 +0100
From: Andreas =?iso-8859-1?Q?Wallstr=F6m?= <andreas.wallstrom@swipnet.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Kevin & all.
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970109012642.0068cbf4@janus.swip.net>
Oh, hi. It's my first mail here (be gentle). Got so damn inspired by the
new record, that I had to search the damn net for some good DT sites.
All this talk about Kevin:- For me it was a big loss when he left because
he was one of five individuals that played my ears off on I&W (the album
that got me hooked to DT). He was, more or less, one of the founders
aswell. I got to meet him once, and he was just the greatest. Whatever he
does in the phuture (shave heads an' all), I wish him the best.
And about the songs of the new album: every song is a killer! And to say
that "oh, this sounds like Sting" is just stoopid. As explained in several
interviews and press releases, DT have alot of different influences, and
ofcourse it's gonna show in the music.
Please don't analyze the music - enjoy it!
Finally, Lars Hellsten wrote:
>On I&W, I don't think he wrote all the melodies, and was
>kind of trying to replicate Chuckie D's style a little.
Well, there were certain production things that were done to his voice that
he didn't agree with. I yes, I think so too that many of the vocal lines
were done before his time in the band.
Andy
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 03:12:33 -0700
From: Rick Audet <ytse@cris.com>
To: ShitzyJam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: APSoG: One song or more?
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970928031228.006d7b2c@pop3.concentric.net>
Hi folks,
Noticing this discussion about Fates Warning's "A Pleasant Shade
of Gray" (aka APSoG) I thought I'd let my *ears* decide how many
songs there might be on this item. Yeah sure, it's an album made
up of twelve unnamed parts, but does APSoG really sound like one
long song? Here's what my ears came up with:
Song #1: Parts 1 & 2
Song #2: Part 3
Song #3: Parts 4 & 5
Song #4: Part 6
Song #5: Parts 7 & 8
Song #6: Part 9
Song #7: Parts 10 & 11
Song #8: Part 12
Gee, there's almost a pattern in there. 2-1-2-1-2-1-2-1. Anyway,
does this make any sense or am I completely out of line again ?
Now Playing: Meat Beat Manifesto, "Original Fire"
Rick Audet
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 03:13:27 -0700 (MST)
From: durnik <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: You Not Me about commercialism
Message-ID: <199709281013.DAA03239@goodnet.com>
Robert Taylor is right on the money with that analysis of You Not Me from
Jam #3034. The commercialism aspect is clearer with every verse, more
obvious every time you hear the song, kinda like the AIDS thing in LTL or
the Hamlet thing in PMU. Good show, Robert! :)
-Mike Bahr-durnik@_goodnet.com-http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:22:35 +0300
From: "Peter Tatischev" <tatisch@glasnet.ru>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re:about that cover...
Message-ID: <m0xFHOl-001A8uN@mail.glas.apc.org>
Ernesto Schack wrote:
> The chorus to JLMB should become our little ytse-prayer...seriously:)
Yeah!!! I completely agree with that - the song is .......ing cool
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Untie these strings, I'm climbing down
I won't let them push me away
Change Of Seasons, lyrics by Mike Portnoy
Peter Tatischev tatisch@iname.com
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:18:45 +0200
From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Whole buncha stuff
Message-ID: <342E5935.772@Netvision.net.il>
Brown, Neal Patrick wrote:
>
> There's been a thread about a shared riff
> between JLMB and Wait For Sleep...the WFS segment in question has a n
> extra beat in it (it's ONE-two-three-TWO-two-three, if you can recall
> the melody) whereas the JLMB thing is only five beats instead of six
> (ONE-two-THREE-FOUR-five).
Actually, WFS is 5/8 x 3 then 4/8 then 6/8 x 3 then 4/8 again what makes
it a total of 41/8 in the 1st verse.
On the 2nd verse, it's (6/8 x 3 + 4/8) x 2.
I have no life, do I?
--
Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM
"I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit."
- Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction
"How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the
end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy
Visit my home page at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 09:40:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: sl080890@mailhost.sju.edu (Stephen LaMonica)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FII
Message-ID: <199709281340.JAA25704@polaris.sju>
I am just writing to vent my anger at the so called Dream Theater "fans," so
this might get ugly. While looking on the net one day before the release of
FII, I read many negative opinions such as "not progressive, three chord songs,
keyboards mainly background, vocals thinned out, etc....." Personally, I feel
this album is a great album from a great band. Naturally, it isn't Images and
Words, but if it was, people would complain that it wasn't different. I just
want to make a few points.
1-13 minute songs, complex vocal/instrumental patterns, 78MINUTES LONG....not
progressive enough??????
2-True, Hollow Years and the other two ballads may not be as a complex as
other DT offerings, but I would love to see Bush try to play any one of these
songs(especially the faint guitar line(all the 32nd notes) during the Take My
Pain Away chorus). Three chords.....I think not!!!
3-Keyboards mainly background?????????? Maybe I am hearing things, but I am
hearing some great melodies and solos coming out of Sherinian's Korg! Also
some great synth sounds I have never heard before.
4-Vocals thinned out???????? Listen to the chorus of You Not Me and then come
back to me on that one!
I am so sick of these fairweather fans who spend all of their time complaining
about DT, instead of looking for something they do like! To them, I suggest
that they take up Milli Vanilli......or maybe Vanilla Ice! While they sit in
the corner and weep like a punished child, I will be enjoying my new disc and
awaiting the tour
Stephen La Monica
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 09:55:54 +0000
From: sstys@ix.netcom.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3033
Message-ID: <342E29A5.21C9@ix.netcom.com>
>
> Wysp and Wmmr are not playing DT at all. I called WYSP 4 times and asked
> them to play DT, and they said that "We don't play them" , and I tried Wmmr,
> and they said that "DT wasn't on our playlist." Here is my proposal: DT
> needs Philadelphia (a major music market) to play their material to gain
> further exposure to the Philadelpia area in which I live in. It bothers me
> when I read other jammers posting that they heard DT on the radio, and I have
> yet to hear any DT past or present on the two biggest rock stations here.
> Remember the petition we all signed to help get them into the studio, Well I
> think the band deserves this help from their fans, Here are the phone
> numbers to the stations: WMMR- 800 423-wmmr or 215 238-8000, WYSP 215
> 263-7625. I don't know how you will respond to this post, but I am very
> pissed off about it. I want DT to succeed and get into the studio often so
> they can put out an album every year like Rush did. Obviously the phone call
> won't take long, and one phone call from many jammers a piece could really
> help promote this band. Yes I am trying to help promote this band. If
> anyone has this same problem with their local radio stations, then we all
> could help everyone's local radio stations. If you guys think my post is a
> little extreme, then I am humble to listen to feedback. Now playing: Trial
> of Tears. A+ song\
\
dude , I think you may have a much better chance with Y100
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:03:47 +0200
From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: more Moore
Message-ID: <342E63C2.503E@Netvision.net.il>
> Welcome to the waistland... where you'll find asses... nothing but asses.
Hehe... I almost fell from the chair reading this.... At first i thought
it was 'ashes', but then i got it.... it's a good thing that not all of
the posts here are bitching.... it's always good to read a parody (or
have a look at Jason's finger....)
NP: ToT. Whoa. Once you get into this songs it rules very much.
--
Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM
"I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit."
- Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction
"How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the
end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy
Visit my home page at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 10:15:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: cn111@freenet.carleton.ca (Jean-Pierre Thibault)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Cc: ernie@pananet.com
Subject: Re: something different... Fates/Phish connection
Message-ID: <199709281415.KAA15263@freenet5.carleton.ca.carleton.ca>
>Now I'm not a great Phish authority, so I'm just guessing here. But I just
>got Rift, which, if I understand correctly, is a concept album (or
>something similiar), and it reminds me of APSOG.
Yep, it is indeed a concept album. It's also slightly progressive if you
ask me.
>But the first song starts "Last night in the moments my thoughts were
>adrift, and coasting a terrace approaching a rift"
>
>and there's a 'theme' that's repeated twice on the CD that goes:
>
>"When your there, I sleep lenghtwise, and when your gone, I sleep diagonal
>in my bed"
>
>That sung under the sound of a clock ticking and breathing (as in someone
>lying in bed not being able to sleep)
>
>Any Phish heads on the list that can verify this?
There's been a lot of discussion about this on rec.music.phish a few
months ago. The first two songs, Rift and FEFY, are about conflicts in a
relationship and problems in this guy's life. On Lenghtwise, he falls
asleep and drifts into dreamland. Every song after that represents a
different dream that he has. On the second Lenghtwise, he wakes up. His
problems have either been solved or he's accepted them (i.e., the end of a
relationship). You'll notice the optimism in the lyrics of Horse->Silent
In The Morning.
Notice the symmetry in the song order: the 1st Lenghtwise is the 3rd song,
and the 2nd one is the 3rd last song.é The fourth and fourth last songs
are both 8:14 long.
Now if you've read through this, you must all go out and buy "Junta" right
now! It's Phish's first album, and has many epic progressive songs -
Divided Sky, You Enjoy Myself, Fluffhead... don't be fooled by the wacky
titles, this stuff is awesome.
J-P
--
"I think, therefore I jam"
tapelist:
http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~cn111/
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:19:23 +0200
From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Way too much free time.....
Message-ID: <342E676B.4A3E@Netvision.net.il>
Hi all.
Well, I was reading the lyrics to BMS, and I have found a new
interpretation to it:
"Keep your thoughts and ideas locked inside your head.
We've got someone to think for you instead and he sounds just like the
last one."
He's speaking about the record company telling them what to do, and
bringing an outsider to write songs.
"Using your words controlling my life
can't you see it's my words that gives you your life."
Here he's saying that record companys try to control the music that the
band make, but the music that the band makes the money (and therefore
living) for the record company....
Or maybe I just had too much FII and pain killers for the last couple of
days....
Laterz,
--
Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM
"I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit."
- Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction
"How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the
end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy
Visit my home page at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:33:48 +0200
From: Shai Yallin <Yallin@Netvision.net.il>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DT Thoughts....
Message-ID: <342E6ACC.4A83@Netvision.net.il>
Carol Dellinger wrote:
> Thank you Chris for realizing I'm a female.
Chicks listening to DT? Over here to find one that listens to plain rock
is hard enough.... most of the girls listen to shit like Techno/Dance
and act like they're melting when they hear a little distortion...
I think this is my 4th or 5th post today.... That what happens when
you're haveing the flu and the whole country's on strike... oh well..
--
Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM
"I'm American, honey. Our names don't mean shit."
- Bruce Willis on Pulp Fiction
"How can you keep your head and not go insane when the only light at the
end of the tunnel is another train" - Mike Portnoy
Visit my home page at
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 10:39:53 -0400
From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Something not to do
Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19970928143953.0067e128@pop.pipeline.com>
Don't ever listen to FII immediately following Angra's
Holy Land. You will be inspired to rustle up a posse and
string up Mr. Shirley. I reckon. Hyup.
CD of the Day: Iron Maiden - Piece of Mind
Side note to D-Man - you must have bought some of that
pheremone cologne, 'cause *your* new album would be
called, "Falling into Vagina." (Or is that "Virginia?")
Green Bay Packers - The Quest to Repeat
3-1
This Week: at Detroit
Kevin
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Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 10:37:19 -0700
From: Über Cabe <caber1@concentric.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: What ya doing? Shh, I'm posting to the Ytsejam uh-huh-huh
Message-ID: <342E95CF.4883@concentric.net>
Hi everyone,
> From: "James Bennett" <rycher@thegrid.net>
> Subject: Re: jamming thoughts down your throat.....
> Well, I think you need to re-read my post, because judging by this reply it
> sure seems like you didnt. At the end of my original post I said, that if
> someone is spewing crap about the new album and just saying that it sucks,
> its crap etc, that they should be ignored.
I'm not talking about people talking shit about FII, read my post again.
I'm not talking about your post(well I am but not just your post), again
read my post again.
What I'm was talking about was why do people response with "we have a
right to dislike/hate/whatever this album. but i do like fii" I read at
least 20 jams yesterday and it seems a large group of people would not
fully read(or even skim) a post, and then response. And the response
wouldn't make any sense, if you go back & read the original post. (well,
at least to me :)
> By the way, i have been "fully
> reading the jams" whatever that means, will there be a test??
First off, how does fully reading the jams equal there being a test? If
you would read a post(especially when the original poster makes his
point clear), then you wouldn't have to bother with my posts. Simple,
right? Read and I won't bother you. :)
> Oh, and dont take this personally, im just expressing myself
Hmm, I really sorry if my "tone" offends you. But if you saw me, you
would see I'm just sitting back having fun. (and not at your expense :)
That's something email never do. Make me come across as the dork I
really am. :)
Über Cabe caber1@concentric.net
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