YTSEJAM Digest 3694
Today's Topics:
1) NEW LOOK FOR "UNDER A CYBER MOON" !!!
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
2) And then...
by someone@prognosis.com
3) First off...
by someone@prognosis.com
4) Re: Dream Theater in Montreal... Please !
by graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
5) DT posters
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
6) NEW EMAIL NDTC
by Dave <buster@ee.net>
7) Tour dates, various mumblings
by Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
8) Fuckin' awesome
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3692
by "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu>
10) Re: Lets play Ball! In Arizona?
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3693
by Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
12) Re: Richie Rivera and DATs
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
13) Kudos to Pat!
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
14) TAMP MP3
by David Rothlisberger <David.Rothlisberger.1@uni.massey.ac.nz>
15) Re: Lets play Ball! In Arizona?
by eckie@asu.edu
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:23:43 +0200
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: NEW LOOK FOR "UNDER A CYBER MOON" !!!
Message-ID: <01BD5D3F.1E5D5D80@KEhleyr.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Hey there...
I have just given "Under A Cyber Moon" a dope-fly new look !
Hope you guys like it !!!
Mark Bredius
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Dream Theater - Under A Cyber Moon E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org
* http://www.prognosis.com/dream * Last updated: Today
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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:31:01 +0000
From: someone@prognosis.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: And then...
Message-ID: <199804010527.XAA13374@wheat.farm.niu.edu>
> Al DiMeola "Casino"
That is the pimp-daddy supreme of all DiMeola albums, complete with
the disco tropical casino king on the cover. This album is what
shred used to be, and should be again.
> (imported) Jacksons, the new Ibanez stuff, Washburn - has anybody else
> had it with that stupid plastic "flame maple look" crap? I mean, you
FOTOFLAME! Hehehe I HATE THAT! That's exactly the same thing as
having a poster of Cindy Crawford on your ceiling instead of a real
girlfriend. :)
> don't get a bookmatched maple top on a $400 guitar, why try to make it
> look like it? Fender's not as bad as the others,
I think they INVENTED Fotoflame!
> From: "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
> I disagree. I know that, for me at least, it's much easier to
> identify with a different type of music when the instrumentation is
> similar. Mike Stern even does quite a bit of distorted soloing and
> he cites as many rock players among his influences as jazz players.
> It's easier to connect to than a horn player playing the same notes.
I suppose, to an extent, but what I'm really talking about here is
his methods and his playing structure. It's easier to understand,
from the perspective of someone who is going to try and play this
stuff, a more basic rendition of a tune, than one where you're
expected to know the tune in order to truly follow along.
Technically, yes, you understand how to copy his techniques better
than you know how to emulate a horn's techniques, but from a playing
perspective, you can't tell me (and I know you didn't say it... I'm
just making a point here) it would be easier to learn to emulate
Stern's phrasing and approach than it is to emulate Miles Davis.
Stern knows too much, and thus, he does a lot more.
> Following all the changes isn't something that's necessary to enjoy
> jazz music.
I certainly think it is. I mean, it ties the piece together...
especially during solos where chordal accompaniment drops out... it's
important to know where it's going. You don't have to be a musician
to do this... I'm talking about being able to just hear where a song
is going (the way you can hear, knowing the song, where Take the Time
is going, and sing the guitar lines even though you may have no idea
about how it's done).
> I agree, but I still see some fault with your logic. Jazz has just
> as many subgenres as any other type of music. Fusion is just one of
> those. You claim you have to start at the basics. But where is that?
Yeah. I know... this is a dilemna that I'm having trouble
addressing (and saw it even as I wrote the post)... what I'm trying
to get across, is that _I_ bought all the fusion stuff, and _I_
started learning all that stuff, thinking I was learning jazz, and
_I_ got a rude awakening.
I'm trying to say that it's important to get traditional
instrumental (or even vocal) renditions of songs, if you want to
learn to really play jazz. Even if you just want to play rock, it is
STILL the best thing you can do for your playing. A traditional
version of any standard, would usually have some instrument that can
play chords, at least one that plays melodies, a bass instrument
(could be the same one that's playing chords) and usually a
percussion element. The version should stick to the progression, and
not deviate (reharmonize, or radically alter) from the original song.
I'm not saying that this is what you should have to listen to... I'm
saying that this is the obvious place to start when learning jazz,
because you hear everything, and can hopefully understand everything.
You can hardly hear how Tribal Tech's "Stella by Starlight" sounds
like the original... if that's your point of origin, your version of
Stella will probably be F.U.B.A.R.
> "Useful"? Learning any artists music is as useful as you make it to
> be.
That's sort of taking that in a whole different direction than my
post. You can't make learning most Mahavishnu Orchestra solos or
most DiMeola solos very useful when playing jazz. You'll miss the
groove and the feel altogether, even if you can summon them up
quickly enough to use them over changes.
> I'm not too familiar with DiMeola, but I know McLaughlin has
> played over and written some pretty wacked out changes in his years.
> Also, many standards have fairly simple progressions....
Many do, yes. But you have to improv over them and still swing,
without sounding too scalar. I don't think DiMeola does a great job
of staying away from sounding scalar... that's part of why he doesn't
sound jazzy to me. McLaughlin can pull this off, but he can't
swing... listen to his album of standards, and then toss in some Wes
Montgomery... which one would people more readily identify as jazz?
McLaughlin just doesn't have the feel for that kind of stuff, and I
really believe that's a significant element to just "skip." For an
artist, it's widely accepted that you should learn the basics, and be
able to reproduce form, shape, and dynamics before you branch off to
impressionist or abstract works. I feel the same way about jazz...
but that's just MY opinion, and MY advice... not necessarily the "way
it must be."
> Anyways,
> I'm always friends with our fans, so don't take it personally.....in
> fact... if I look hard enough in my archieves, I bet I can find a
> copy of that Jaxx show.. : )
Could this dude be any cooler? Maybe I spoke too soon... maybe
he'll make the next post say "E-mail Mike Bahr, and he'll sell you a
copy." but I think that just rules.
Chris Ptacek
someone@prognosis.com
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
Go Home and Practice!
"The Dude Abides."
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Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:02:22 +0000
From: someone@prognosis.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: First off...
Message-ID: <199804010458.WAA12625@wheat.farm.niu.edu>
> From: chris milne <cmilne@wam.umd.edu>
> Subject: re: JPM - 100
> I disagree actually. Have you played a JPM series?
Yup. Used to work at Guitar Center. Played the first ones in the
store (and GC gets em before anyone else) and have played several of
them over the past couple years.
> I agree the price is probably too high but as far as a direct comparison
> to the RG570 I desagree.
Why? Same wood. Same or better trem. IMO, better neck (I don't
like the thinner JPM neck... I was raised on a Maple RG550 neck. :).
Both are going to have the Ibanez rollercoaster-neck syndrome. The
difference is the pretty colors and the pickups, neither of which
matter to me, because I am a Duncan (and possibly now an EMG) user,
and would throw those thin little DiMarzios in the trash. But that's
not even the main issue; look at the cost differences... over a
grand for a JPM, under $500 for an RG. Under $400 for a used RG,
which, IMO if gotten from the right era, destroys both the new RG and
the new JPM. There is no way that the price difference is validated,
except for the fact that you're paying tribute to your guitar hero...
which is fine, but since I've got too damn many guitar heros, that's
not something I wanna do (unless it was the Jason Becker guitar that
was donated to Hard Rock... I'd give my left nad for that)
> those and they don't play or sound very similar. To start with the feel
> of the neck (and action) on the JPM is far superior.
There is no reason the action on one guitar should be better than
the other. They're pretty similar, with regards to the bridge and
nut. Have your RG set up right.
> and it is very quiet in comparison...my RG makes some awful hum.
This is a problem with your RG. Have that fixed. It's not normal.
> Ever heard of John Patitucci? Isn't he excellent? -I think he is!!!!!
Patitucci is DA MAN!
> Can also try Stanley Clarke, he's rather funky, but that makes him even
> cooler!
Hehehe... man... if you're gonna venture out that far, check out
some Victor Wooten, Gary Willis, Billy Dickens, etc...
> Billy Sheehan and his Niacin projects is jazzy as well, I suppose...
/me cleans the vomit from his keyboard
> Guitarists egos aside, I checked the dates of release on some of the
> Yngwie influenced guitarists in my collection. Might be of trivial
> interest, considering that many of these guitarists are often
> discussed here:
Hahaha! Guitarists egos aside. That's like saying "Bafu, sarcasm
aside"
> 1983 - Steeler - with Yngwie just playing lead to their songs. This
> was arranged by Mike Varney, who was like the Magna Carta of
> neoclassical speed metal.
That's kind of awkward, seeing as Mike Varney is the Mike Varney of
Magna Carta, just as he was and is the Mike Varney of Shrapnel. :)
> 1983 - Alcatrazz/No Parole - Yngwie wrote most of the music. Great
> disc. Yngwie escaped Mike Varney control.
No one escapes Varney-control. :) Especially in the 80's.
> 1986 - Joe Satriani/Not of This Earth - Very little Yngwie influence
> (Except maybe the title track). Joe was (is) very original. But the
> success of Yngwie may have made it possible for Joe to get a "guitar"
> recording released.
I don't think it's fair to say this. Joe WAS doing it when Yngwie
came out. And I really don't hear an influence. It would be
interesting to see if Joe considered Yngwie even a slight influence.
> And of course there are probably a lot of others, but this is enough
> typing for me (when did Vai's Flexible come out?)...
I sort of missed the point of this post, but I'm sure it's because I
can't read. Have you considered that Yngwie stole a great many of
his licks from DiMeola and Uli Jon Roth and Eddie Van Halen(who were
well established guitar gods in the mid-late 70's)? I believe he
even listed those in his Mike Varney Spotlight column, which was
before he was a crack whore and a dickhead. During his crack whore
phase he denied claiming those were influences, even though it's in
print.
Chris Ptacek
someone@prognosis.com
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
Go Home and Practice!
"The Dude Abides."
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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 18:27:51 +1000
From: graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Dream Theater in Montreal... Please !
Message-ID: <3521FA87.E4E51034@sydney.net>
Ryan Roehrich wrote:
> And to jump on the bandwagon...Arizona anybody?? When was the last time DT
> made it down here?
I don't see how anyone in mainland USA can complain about
DT not coming close to where they live.
At least they are close enough to drive/fly cheap
to see. The closest DT have got to Australia is Japan !
Please spare a thought for us downunder when you complain
that DT haven't been near you :)
graham
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:29:40 +0100 (BST)
From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT posters
Message-ID: <Marcel-1.42-0401082940-0b0rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>
Cool posters have been going up around town advertising the forthcoming
DT gig, and I am determined to have one for my bedroom wall. Black background,
luminous green foreground with one of the banner images from the rsabbs.com
website magnified about a thousand times . . . very cool. :-)
What's the best way of stealing a poster which has been pasted on to a brick
wall, without ripping it to shreds?
Graham
-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889------------------------------
Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 03:51:05 -0500 From: Dave <buster@ee.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: NEW EMAIL NDTC Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980401035105.0068d418@ee.net>
Hey all, just a quick note:
I no longer have 'buster@ee.net' as an email account, so if you need to contact me use dhatlee@dhpc.com
Also, if you have a link to my DT/Doom2 site, it has moved to http://www.dhpc.com/wdadu/
Thanks, sorry for the NDTC, Dave Hatlee (aka buster)
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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 18:55:48 +1000 From: Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Tour dates, various mumblings Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980401185548.006d3298@powerup.com.au>
Mr Portnoy wrote:
>HHMMMMM... >What will the bringer of DT tour dates deliver in a few days??????? >(hopefully...) >MP
OK, everyone say it with me:
"Oss-tray-lee-yar. Australia. Brisbane specifically."
There, that wasn't so hard, was it?
LTE arrived today, too. Had to listen to my newly arrived Virtual XI first, though. Both very, very good. Worth the wait, although I'd heard most of Maiden's album already (damn Internet).
Got Big Wreck's "The Oaf (My Luck is Wasted)" single yesterday, just to see what they sound like. Quite good. Better than 95% of the crap out there at the moment.
Nigel
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 03:55:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fuckin' awesome Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980401034050.138060A-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Tue, 31 Mar 1998 Mike Portnoy wrote:
> HELLO?!?! > What do you think we've been doing for the past 6 months? > (or 6 years for that matter!!)
I think I can honestly say that this is THE greatest moment in ytsejam history. Mike Portnoy jumping in on a discussion? I'm sure it's happened before in the past, but not everyone knew it was happening (I certainly didn't) Fuckin' awesome. Hope this is the start of a long-lasting trend.
> We will ALWAYS play our own headlining shows, but we don't want to ever limit > ourselves to only one type of environment for the rest of our career...
Exactly. When DT does shows at places like the Jaxx or any of the other places they've been playing at, they are pretty much preaching to the converted. While I don't doubt that DT makes some new fans at these types of shows (I brought my ex-girlfriend to one and she bought FII the day it came out with no prompting from me), the majority of the people at these shows are already fans. By securing a support slot they can now expose thousands of people every night to their music who may have either never heard of DT or who have heard of them but didn't know that they kick ass as much as they do. Either way, it's a win-win situation. Besides, support slots can actually do a lot of band morale, not that DT is in trouble in that area. It gives you something to prove every night. It makes you hungry. That's a good thing. I'll go see DT in any environment.
Richie
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Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 04:05:22 -0500 (EST) From: "Richard A. Rivera" <rrivera@zoo.uvm.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3692 Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.96.980401040037.138060B-100000@gnu.uvm.edu>
On Tue, 31 Mar 1998 Mike Portnoy wrote: > > Hey dude, > Don't sweat it!!!!! > I mean no harm, I just want our side of the coin heard!
--and---- > > HHMMMMM... > What will the bringer of DT tour dates deliver in a few days??????? > (hopefully...) > I think I just shit myself. 2 posts from Mike in the same jam? Wonder how long it will take till he hits the Most Fequent Poster list.
Richie
P.S. Hey Mike, as long as you're going through your DATs......
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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 02:25:53 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Lets play Ball! In Arizona? Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980401022552.006dd968@postoffice.syspac.com>
>But to my point is it true that Dave Mustaine, Alice Cooper and Rob Halford >and possibly others, sang the National Anthem at the game? My friend >caught a glimpse but was not totally sure, and I did not get a chance to >catch it on TV. > >Eric from Denver
Yes, Dave Mustaine, Alice Cooper, and Rob Halford were singing. Along with a bunch of other local music celebrities, including the bassist for the Dixie Dregs :)
~Yo homie 'n da desert, Vinnie-poo ;)~
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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 02:36:30 -0700 From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3693 Message-ID: <35220A9E.5893@goodnet.com>
ytsejam@ax.com wrote: > >Any chance for Montreal, Qu=E9bec ?. I know you did come in Ontario > >lately, but it would be great if you could give a show in Montreal. I > >live 6 hours-car-travel and wouldn't mind the trip to go see DT there > >(seeing Pink Floyd and Rush there, DT would finally make the Dream > >Trinity possible for me *eg*). > > > > And to jump on the bandwagon...Arizona anybody?? When was the last time DT > made it down here?
December 4th and 5th, 1994. First at the Buena Vista Theater in Tucson (a shithole if I ever saw one, but it's where I first met the band!!) and then at Club Rio in Tempe (woefully short on capacity... packed beyond discomfort! A big change from when it barely got half full during two Images tour shows a year earlier). BTW, I *did* run tape at both, and the tapes came out just fine, though I confess I never did anything further with those recordings (mainly because the Awake tour is VERY well represented by Kick Into a Dream and the Mind Control/Urawa PPV video)... any interest? Standard Awake tour setlist, both. The Tucson tape is clearer because attendance was significantly lower, and thus less obnoxious clapping and noise.
I imagine if DT played both Phoenix and Tucson again, the attendees for both shows would be nearly identical. :) We've become a close-knit group, truly.
DT was supposed to play at the Electric Ballsack last winter, but then the Ballroom lost their liquor license and became a sick joke of a concert venue, so DT changed it to Bash on Ash. Bash couldn't get their shit together in some way or another, and the band wound up skipping AZ altogether, citing 98-KUPD's lack of support as the final nail in the coffin.
> First of all I apologize for the Rockies spoiling the Diamond Backs opening > day, 9 to 1 . Well not really, Go Rockies...... :)
Well, shee-it, we're talking about an expansion team playing the world series champs. The outcome was predictable. Thankfully, we at least have someone to root for now... it fills a bigger void in the minds of most Arizonans that many people realize. Win or lose, I'm happy the D-backs are here.
> But to my point is it true that Dave Mustaine, Alice Cooper and Rob Halford > and possibly others, sang the National Anthem at the game? My friend > caught a glimpse but was not totally sure, and I did not get a chance to> catch it on TV.
Not only them, but the singer guy from Dixie Dregs was there too! Actual prog-ness on local TV!! Can you believe it?!
-- - Mike Bahr - Prism Records - d u r n i k @ g o o d n e t . c o m - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 02:37:50 -0700 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Richie Rivera and DATs Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980401023749.006d8b3c@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 01:32 AM 4/1/98 -0800, trixxnstixx (Richie) wrote: >P.S. Hey Mike, as long as you're going through your DATs......
<AOL> Me too! <AOL> Me too! <AOL> Me too! <AOL> Me too! <AOL> Me too!
;p
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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 01:36:56 -0800 From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Kudos to Pat! Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980401013656.0079ba50@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>THE NEW, IMPROVED, DREAM THEATER FAQ:
The DD Patron of the year award had me on the ground man. Well dont Pat, I havent laughed that hard and heartily in a LONG time : )
Jon
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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 22:03:05 +1200 From: David Rothlisberger <David.Rothlisberger.1@uni.massey.ac.nz> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: TAMP MP3 Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980401220305.007c8db0@uni.massey.ac.nz>
I'm looking for an MP3 of the TAMP demo (the one that's supposed to be so much more emotion-filled than the one on FII). I've tried at Dr. Mosh's site _many_ times but it never works, so does anybody know where else I can find it?
Cheers,
- David.
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Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 03:04:30 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Lets play Ball! In Arizona? Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980401025656.21464A-100000@general3.asu.edu>
On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Eric S P Barker threw a fast ball:
> But to my point is it true that Dave Mustaine, Alice Cooper and Rob Halford > and possibly others, sang the National Anthem at the game? My friend
Yeh, it was rather kick-ass. I was watchin' the opening ceremonies on TV (much like many of us who can't afford a $50 parking lot fee and $300 ticket) and although the local station's coverage of the event was BEYOND shitty, their appearance was truly awesome. The cameras cut to Alice Cooper's smiling face (Oh, cool!) then it zoomed out and there was Dave Mustaine, Rob Halford, the two dudes from the Dreggs (Damn, doesn't anybody know a Dreg's name besides Steve Morse? No, Morse wasn't one of them) and some other local pop artists, and they broke into a mariachi-meets-industrial-meets-Alf version of the National Anthem.
Okay, so the Rockies came in and won the game...
..BUT THEY DON'T HAVE A RETRACTABLE ROOF BABY! BWAHAHAHAHA!
~Eckie thinks Portnoy and the boys should bring the show to BOB
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