YTSEJAM Digest 3793
Today's Topics:
1) Tr*d*ng?
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
2) Grammar
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
3) Tour Dates updates
by Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net>
4) FUSE magazine
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
5) Re: Trading
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
6) Extreme/WCWM (Billysburg!!)
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
7) Re: New Anthrax
by Trevor Morris <morr0209@tc.umn.edu>
8) Attn: NY Jammers
by Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3792
by YtseJim <YtseJim@DreamT.org>
10) earplugs
by "jason braswell" <funkbreath@hotmail.com>
11) King Crimson
by calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro)
12) $15 disc
by Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
13) Re: Grammatical Nonsense...
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
14)
by jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk)
15) Re: $15 disc
by graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
16) Ytse boot camp
by "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com>
17) Grammar
by Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au>
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:06:08 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Tr*d*ng?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980425144848.16093D-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
Hi, people.
Ok, if you want to trade :-), go to my trading homepage at:
<www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/setlists> and you'll see part of my list of
bootlegs there (including the "FII Demos" CD with tracks denoised by me --
just ask Graham, the "robber", or Nick, the "bogie", if they prefer the
MP3 files originated from the CD or the tracks on the CD).
If you want to see my complete list of bootlegs (only audio), send
an empty message to <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> with the subject line
contents: "send bootlist" and you'll receive my list. Please follow these
rules strictly, because I have a program replying to these messages and it
won't understand if you don't follow them.
Some extra comments:
* My tape deck isn't working. I can't make tapes, only CD-Rs
(see, no apostrophes! Oh, Unfortunately, I can't even make tapes for my
car);
* I will give you 2 CD-Rs from my collection for any
9760932406th generation tape of an Opeth bootleg; :-)
* I'm preparing a new bootleg called "Ytse Jams", with (oh, you
guessed it) rare jams only, by Dream Theater and John Petrucci (the
Necronomicon tracks, some untitled jams, etc);
* I'm open to any kind of trades.
BTW, I traded more than once with Graham and he is a decent
trader, if you ask me. And now he can dub CDs, which is even cooler.
(Are you people serious that you can get CD-Rs for $1.50 in the
US? Wow! Do they come with jewel boxes for this price? If yes, double
wow!)
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=------------------------------
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:20:04 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Grammar Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980425142352.15997B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Sat, 25 Apr 1998, Mich?l Wert wrote:
[My post deleted] > AH HA! > Took me a bit to find something in this post to continue the long and > pointless thread, but I did it!
Well, I tried to do my homework. :-) But I'm really curious to see *what* you did find on my message... :-)
> > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito > > Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" > > Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > > The "Windows? Linux and X!" is just a sentence fragment, and that > question mark shouldn't be there.
Could you please tell me the reason why the question mark shouldn't be there (I'm serious here)?
Also, what is the problem with "a sentence fragment" if it was intentional (of course, I had to put a short statement there or it wouldn't fit in one line together with the "Undergraduate..." piece) and is documented by grammars and style books (usually to avoid alliteration) as being a valid construction? It's called "ellipsis", BTW.
> (Yes, I know, it's getting desperate when I've got to pick apart > people's .sigs.)
:-)
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 11:35:53 -0700 From: Carol Dellinger <coldfire@pacbell.net> To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Tour Dates updates Message-ID: <35422D09.574B@pacbell.net>
Woo Hoo!
WHile doing my daily Check of what's new on UACM I saw that there have been tour dates for the DT/ELP?DP shows! Itchy got them from the Deep Purple page.
Check them out at: http://www.prognosis.com/dream/
Toodles...off to the shadows I go --
Coldfire GalleryMistress@dreamt.org ICQ: 4656934 http://www.dreamt.org/coldfire The Official Shadow Gallery Mailing List galleryofshadows@coollist.com Gallery of Shadows http://www.dreamt.org/galleryofshadows/
"Fly where your dreams go...." - Crystalline Dream, Shadow Gallery
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 11:45:47 -0800 From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: FUSE magazine Message-ID: <v01540b00b167edb78c2c@[205.134.245.112]>
Rick Audet wrote;
>I also picked up a copy of FUSE magazine, Issue One, a free newspaper-ish >magazine on progressive rock. The members of Dream Theater are on the cover >and the band is featured in a nice, juicy article. Grab yourself a copy if >you can find it.
Where did you pick that magazine, Rick?
Regards, AE
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Prog Maniac" homepage: http://www.sirius.com/~cluesump
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:23:38 EDT From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Trading Message-ID: <2cd4d76f.3542383c@aol.com>
how the hell are you supposed to even START a bootleg collection without buying one??? i mean, you can't just pull one out of your ass to trade.. i'm sure everyone here has either bought a bootleg, sold a bootleg, or was lucky enough to have a friend give them one, and hell, probably still paid for the blank CDR, it's not like anyone is sitting on here trying to make a living selling bootlegs
just my opinion Rocky
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:22:50 -0400 From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Extreme/WCWM (Billysburg!!) Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980425152249.00725d10@maila.wm.edu>
Jammers!! We were indirectly on the radio today...
Hey D-man...you just had to get that little needle about Extreme in on the radio, didn'tcha? :) Well, I for one, have been persuaded
It's a Monster is an awesome song...
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 14:32:16 -0500 From: Trevor Morris <morr0209@tc.umn.edu> To: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> Cc: jpmohr@primenet.com, Walter J Trach <Walter.J.Trach-1@tc.umn.edu>, Subject: Re: New Anthrax Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980425143216.007e6330@morr0209.email.umn.edu>
>Well, I just recorded a new Anthrax song off the radio (which was accidentally >left there by a record company dude and not supposed to have been played). It's >showing the same problem that I had with the last Faith No More album; it has >touches of their former sound, it's really awesome in places. But in other >places they have totally sold out (oh boy, bad choice of words) to the 'noise >metal' of current bands like Korn, Coal Chamber, etc.
Well I wouldn't say FNM is noise metal. They did that type of stuff in King for a Day. They are not just jumping on the bandwagon, they did it before Korn or anyone came out. FNM was one of the few bands that did whatever the hell they wanted. No one in the world sounded like them, no one. You can't say that about many bands.
Face it, old metal is gone. No music ever stays the same. Does any music of today sound anything like music from the 40's or 50's? I don't think so. What Coal Chamber and band like that are doing is really not much different that what Pantera, Sepultura, etc. have done in the past. It's just that these new bands have no talent so they must scream to evoke passion from their fans. We can blame all these new bands on Pantera's last album. They set the stage for metal today.
Trevor ICQ: 5664775 http://members.xoom.com/towdog/
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:34:19 -0400 From: Isaac Sabetai <isabetai@bu.edu> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Attn: NY Jammers Message-ID: <35423ABA.466E002F@bu.edu>
I'm going to be attending the DT show at Irving Plaza, and I'm probably going to need to take a bus back to Boston. How close is Irving Plaza to Port Authority, and how late does the subway stay open? Thanks. Please respond privately.
Isaac isabetai@bu.edu
-- "Should you lose this hand in an industrial accident, save it for me!" -- Roland T. Flakfizer
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:00:59 -0400 From: YtseJim <YtseJim@DreamT.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3792 Message-ID: <354240FB.41C4E90F@DreamT.org>
> From: Arash Ashouriha > Don't worry, anyone who had request the FREE PROMO TAPE will get it sooner or later..
Hey I'm not the one who's worried. I wanted the promo tape to give them exposure on my campus radio show...Too bad the semester is over. Oh well, now I'll patiently wait....
~YtseJim
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 13:32:32 PDT From: "jason braswell" <funkbreath@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: earplugs Message-ID: <19980425203232.8705.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hey guys, this summer I'll be in Europe going to two DT concerts very close together. Now, I hate to be a big pussy, but that's pretty rough on the ears. I've heard several people say something about high quality earplugs that, supposedly, protect those great auditory hairs that we all love while not making the music sound as if the band is playing inside a giant pillow. Do such devices exist? If so, where do I get them. jason
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:43:08 -0400 From: calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: King Crimson Message-ID: <35424ADB.C8E3A1C7@caribe.net>
Ok, Im interested in King Crimson. Now, being a DT,savatage,angra,lemur voice,al dimeola,chick corea fan ( and many others ) Where should i start?? email me privately if you think its not relevant enough for the jam =)
In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro Tech Support Rep : Caribbean Internet Service mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytseprog@yahoo.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 14:11:06 -0700 From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: $15 disc Message-ID: <3542516A.6B29@goodnet.com>
About the only thing wrong with the guy's offer of the FII demos on a CDR for $15 is that the band has clearly, specifically, and repeatedly requested that those demos not circulate as they are all earmarked for eventual release through official channels (B-sides from singles and so forth). I'd have released them the day after FII came out if it weren't for the band's request. If you want to just trade tapes of them, go nuts... but if you're trading digital copies, please be aware that what you're doing is comparable to trading copies of Awake or Images and that's not bootlegging... that's counterfeiting/piracy.
In sadder news, my grandfather on my mother's side died on the morning of April 24th. Please keep our family in your prayers.
-- - Mike Bahr - Prism Records - d u r n i k @ g o o d n e t . c o m - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 14:45:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Grammatical Nonsense... Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980425144509.15195A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Sat, 25 Apr 1998, John Dea wrote:
>Have we beat this horse to death yet?
Many moons ago, this horse was well tenderized. I will stop now.
>John > > >::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: >John R Dea, 1st Lt, USAF : Email: jrdea@novia.net >Lead Engineer, Strategic War : jdea@creighton.edu > Planning System Fratricide Data : john1v6@aol.com > Management Project (FratBuild) : deaj@stratcom.af.mil >United States Strategic Command : Web: http://www.novia.net/~jrdea > Offutt Air Force Base, Nebraska : Nuke: 41^ 8' N, 96^ 6' W >::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: > > >
--Matt
--------------------------------------------------------------------- They Might Be Giants: REM with a sense of humor. ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 17:51:04 -0400 From: jefffalk@bu.edu (Jeffrey Falk) To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <v01540b00b16806fe0062@[128.197.9.150]>
recent (and not-so-) threads: I can't argue with Roth-era Van Halen being mostly party songs, but let's look at Hagar era. Dreams, Love Walks In, "5150", Mine All Mine, Judgement Day, In N' Out, The Dream is Over, Right Now, The Seventh Seal, Don't Tell Me (What Love Can Do), Feelin', Humans Being. Furthermore, "One I Want" can be thought of as "Big Fat Money" part II.
A friend of mine (I actually have two or three) once bought Malmsteen's _Seventh Sign_; the disc had flamenco-style guitar on it. I had never heard of anything like that before or since until I read it now.
To whomever posted "How to Write Good": thank you. That is funny.
>Well, I just recorded a new Anthrax song off the radio (which was accidentally >left there by a record company dude and not supposed to have been played). >It's >showing the same problem that I had with the last Faith No More album; it has >touches of their former sound, it's really awesome in places. But in other >places they have totally sold out (oh boy, bad choice of words) to the 'noise >metal' of current bands like Korn, Coal Chamber, etc. Too bad. I liked them. _Stomp 442_ is a good album.
>I never heard >anything about a replacement. Does anyone know about that? Paul Crook, who played on much of _Stomp 442_, was their substitute for concerts, etc. From what I understand, he has not been made an official member of the band. I don't know if he's on _Vol. 8_ or not.
>It's all about how you're raised. Oh, god, it is not.
>(usa is captialist after all...) Unfortunately, not anymore.
>let's go >back to worshipping Dream Theatre. You mean Dream Theater? I have a better idea: let's not worship them, but admire, value and discuss them instead.
>This is to that total moron who thinks it is so "immoral" for >someone to get personal gain from selling their CD's. Why don't you >carry your bullshit to its logical conclusion. And I thought I was the only rationality-oriented person on this list (when it comes to anything beyond music, anyway). I'm pleasantly surprised.
Jeff Falk jefffalk@bu.edu the only "jammer" hated more than HazeX
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 08:44:13 +1000 From: graham boyle <icarus@sydney.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: $15 disc Message-ID: <3542673D.1FCFFD10@sydney.net>
Michael Bahr wrote: > About the only thing wrong with the guy's offer of the FII demos on a > CDR for $15 is that the band has clearly, specifically, and repeatedly > requested that those demos not circulate as they are all earmarked for > eventual release through official channels (B-sides from singles and so > forth).
The FII demo's are already circulated world wide via the internet.. MP reads the jam and I am sure he knows which sites have the FII demo's. To the best of my knowledge Mike has not asked these sites to remove the songs or asked us not to d/l them ?
> I'd have released them the day after FII came out if it weren't > for the band's request.
Oh that was so kind of you not too.... Didn't Kevin Moore ask his "Music Meant to be Heard" demo not be put onto CD and sold ? Yet you are offering this CD for sale for $20..
> If you want to just trade tapes of them, go > nuts... but if you're trading digital copies, please be aware that what > you're doing is comparable to trading copies of Awake or Images and > that's not bootlegging... that's counterfeiting/piracy.
Coming from you this is the height of hypocrisy.. Please tell me why trading a CDR of FII demos is counterfeiting/piracy ? You making a digital copy of an officailly released Rush video and selling it for $20/$40 isn't ?
Weren't you also copying and selling Sony Playstation games at one time, again this counterfeiting/piracy, is it not ?
While I don't know the exact letter of the law in he USA or AZ, isn't your whole business counterfeiting/piracy ? That's what bootlegging is, isn't it ?
If your gonna start throwing mud in my direction make sure your that you know which way the wind is blowing...
Have a nice day and back to normal scheduling graham
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 00:03:17 +0100 From: "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Ytse boot camp Message-ID: <83E9BD6E053FD111B35A0000F6093E2743394C@LON01XBCAPGE>
Since several (mostly ex-)jammers seem to be having problems with the style and content of the 'jam lately, might I propose a 'boot camp' which all newbies have to pass through:
New recruits will have to hold their hand up and repeat 'PMU ends abruptly because it's supposed to, and the quote is from Hamlet.' Training would begin in Australia, analysing choice quotes from graham, with a 'true or false' competition on which bits he really means, and how a smiley gives the game away and spoils the fun. When recruits succeed in putting their tongues in their cheeks, they may continue...
Then to Arizona to drive in Vince's van and tune in to Eckie, who is far too amusing for a boy of his age, and to offer a group prayer for DT to tour Arizona. We also learn the meaning of 'hootananny' and learn the latest on the Kevin Moore testicular cancer theories.
Stopping by Jon Parmet to acquire some sorely needed wisdom, good taste and good argument skills, it's on to the UK, where we 'feel the pain' of Dave, a UK Jammer, who had to wait 2 weeks longer than the Americans for his copy of FII
We then come to a hallowed spot where Al and Pat stand, with angels playing harps in the background to mark the most momentous peace process of the decade. Everyone participates in a group hug, and says 'I love you man' with real feeling.
Next, to Chicago to meet Mr Chris Ptacek. This snarling, dangerous creature must be approached with caution. Each rookie will be given a phrase like 'Actually, I think Mike Bahr does a service for mankind' or 'Michael Hedges and Ron Thal can't play for shit' or 'scalloped frets like Yngwie's are cool' and released into Ptacek's cage. Those who argue their life for over ten seconds will be snatched out and awarded a graduation certificate.
Advanced students will go westwards and try to interpret Bafu Vai. If anyone can say why the hell his stuff's so funny, they get a summa cum laude.
Did I leave any important training out?
Jonathan
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:12:33 +1000 From: Nigel Bridgeman <nigelb@powerup.com.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Grammar Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980426091233.006cf7b0@powerup.com.au>
I've read countless posts on grammar and the lack thereof over the last few days. I'm sure many of you have found it to be very stimulating, whereas others may find it just as exciting as reading about music theory. For this, I apologise.
A recap for anyone who is wondering what the hell I'm raving on about:
Some time ago, I was commenting on Opeth and said, "Opeth are" instead of "Opeth is". Everything just snowballed from there, unfortunately, with many casualties and stuff and general unhappiness. Sorry.
Of course, if no one had commented on my faux pas, then I wouldn't be writing about this now. So, in a way, I'm not actually responsible for what is going on. Maybe I shouldn't apologise at all. So I won't.
Thank you for your time.
Spiff
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