YTSEJAM Digest 3796
Today's Topics:
1) Boomstick!
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@prognosis.com>
2) Not Necessarily Acoustic
by "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
3) Pallas
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
4) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3794
by Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
5) TripleZ records back in business :)
by Rip Von Rytinki <triplez@gnwmail.com>
6) Traders/bootleggers/Ytserobbers....
by "CP Parnham" <C.P.Parnham-97@student.lboro.ac.uk>
7) Dream Theater Live In Sao Paulo, Brazil - Sept. 12, 1997 CD available!!
by Lucas Perroni <gzr@uground.org>
8) Ytsejammer Bands And Musicians
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
9) Iced Earth (NDTC)
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
10) MIME POSTS
by Dave <hwoodson@ix.netcom.com>
11) Open All Night Records....
by "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com>
12) Re: new official EMPTY TREMOR fan club site
by MIME_FUCKER <hwoodson@ix.netcom.com>
13) Music that Kicks Ass -- King Crimson
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 02:05:19 -0500
From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@prognosis.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Boomstick!
Message-ID: <199804260700.CAA13426@wheat.farm.niu.edu>
>Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 18:38:24 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Dirty Water Scott <skooc@earthlink.net>
Because I need to make sure that I am not implicated in the shitstorm
that is a-brewin', I want to say that I have nothing to do with this post,
or any of it's content, nor do I neccessarily espouse any of the views and
beliefs contained therein. If I see my name involved, I will learn RASI's
technique for making petrolium jelly painful, and inflict it on all
deserving parties.
>From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
>I don't believe I've seen Dirty Water Scott post before...
>..interesting first post.
I don't know for certain when you first appeared on this list, Matt, but
Scott Cook has been around since time immemorial. Just a clarification.
THOSE ATTENDING the MAY 13th DT SHOW in CHICAGO at the VIC:
Mail Me!!!
Christopher W. Ptacek
http://www.prognosis.com/madsman
IRC: Madsman
=93I wonder if Harley-Davidson makes a unicycle=85=94
- Michael Hedges
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 00:38:31 -0800
From: "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Not Necessarily Acoustic
Message-ID: <199804260745.AAA10452@baygate.bayarea.net>
> Does anyone here have a Steve Howe CD called "Not Necessarily Acoustic"?
> Just picked it up at the local used CD store for $7.99(Thank you P&L Compact
> Discs), and I really like it. No shred or wanking in particular, but some
> well played, passionate, acoustic guitar music. Plus, it's worth the price to
> hear Mr. Howe sing Roundabout!!
An excellent disc! If you want to hear great acoustic guitar
playing, this is the disc to get. It is an hour-long live
performance, with songs ranging from classical to country to ragtime
to classic Yes tunes. There are no back-up musicians, just Steve
Howe and a guitar. If you like Yes, or even if you don't, I highly
recommend this CD.
-Paul
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Paul Humm
humm@levy.com
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 01:13:03 -0800
From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Pallas
Message-ID: <v01540b00b168a9f3a6c2@[205.134.227.76]>
Jay Omega <jw@winternet.com> wrote:
> The very brief liner notes claim that the concept behind
>the album has been in the works since '79, but the album was made in '92.
>The story is a fantasy/sci-fi allegory to the Cold War of the past
>decades, but someone pressed "the button"...
This Sentinel is an old album that the band just re-released it on cd's.
>Soundwise, Pallas is a blend of many things. The instrumental work
>reminds me of Marillion (Grendel, especially), but the vocals are kinda
>Duran Duran-ish (several places have that "Hungry like the Wolf" echo
>effect; very 80's sounding).
This album gives me a feeling of Yes sound because the Eddy Offord is the
sound engineer or producer on this album.
Pallas sounds really neo prog (pretty soft) to me. They have a live video
out a long time ago. It's the black and white video.
Regards,
AE
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"Prog Maniac" homepage: http://www.sirius.com/~cluesump
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 02:39:16 -0700
From: Michael Bahr <durnik@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3794
Message-ID: <354300C4.7940@goodnet.com>
ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
Scott Cook, who decided just now to come out from under the rock he's
been beneath for a couple years, writes:
> it's not like anyone is sitting on here trying to make a living
> >selling bootlegs
>
> Except Mike Bahr, who thanks to the jam owns a (at the time of purchase)
> BRAND NEW pickup! I have sold a few boots in my day, but not enough to
Scott, this is untrue. Brian Cox posted it years ago and he was wrong
to begin with. It's a '94 pickup, it was purchased in December '93, and
Subconscious came out in April of 1995. The two are unrelated, and there
are records to prove it... the truck was largely paid for by the huge
down payment put on it at the time of purchase, and was paid off
entirely by the time Subcon came out.
I know most of you don't care. I wouldn't either. But this is the kind
of bullshit that if not properly refuted (which apparently it wasn't
back when Cox posted it) will get dug up and slung around YEARS later.
(ahem).
> YES, I used to buy from him, now I just borrow the cd's from people and> transfer them
> on to MiniDisc. I hope that isn't illegal and Bahr doesn't sue me for copyright> infringement };->
Do whatever you want. Some people prefer to have originals in their
collection, and some are content with a shelf of Maxells featuring the
cover and spine artwork of "My Very Own Sharpie". Neither way is right
or wrong. For the budget-minded, a bootleg collection consisting
entirely of Maxell XL-II-90's is perfectly acceptable.
> >forth). I'd have released them the day after FII came out if it weren't
> >for the band's request. If you want to just trade tapes of them, go
> >nuts... but if you're trading digital copies, please be aware that what
> >you're doing is comparable to trading copies of Awake or Images and
> >that's not bootlegging... that's counterfeiting/piracy.
>
> FUCK OFF BAHR! Out of all the people here you are the LAST person to
> preaching
> the morals of bootlegging to ANYONE! You're just a snivelling selfish
What the f... look, read my message carefully. No emotion, no rage,
no hidden agenda. I simply reminded people of the band's wishes on the
matter. And yes, as long as Mike Portnoy is aware of it and isn't saying
"no", then I guess there's no problem. Damn, if I ever said HALF the
shit people assume I'm saying, I'd be one twisted sunovabitch! :)
> little> prick
> who is trying to horde all the business for yourself and trying to get
Say again? You are aware, perhaps, that I am on excellent terms with a
bunch of other CDR bootleggers, all of which I respect and hold in the
highest regard? Just ask them... Neil Elliott, Chris King, Chris Delp,
John DiBella, Marcel Berkhout, Ryan Whitaker... they're a classy bunch
of guys. (I'd include Bogie too but I don't know him that well yet. I'm
sure he's a perfectly cool fellow.) They have their customers just as I
do, on the merits of the stuff they make and release, which I assume is
pretty good (and in most cases I own it so I KNOW it's good). If
anyone's hoarding (not horde... a horde is like a mob or pillaging group
of bandits... a HOARD is a stockpile or large quantity) anything right
now, it's YOU... hoarding peoples' ATTENTION with your inflammatory
remarks. :)
> If ANY person on this list gets busted for selling boots I will
> email every
> federal law enforcement agency in the USA and the state of Arizona as
Why in fuck's sake would I ever want anyone else busted? If any of them
go down, I'm next on the list anyway (I'd be surprised if I weren't the
first) just because none of us try to hide what we're up to. What kind
of paranoia are you suffering from? That is to say: what makes you think
a guy as busy as me can have these vast hidden agendae and sinister
secret plans in the works? Yeesh, I'm lucky if I remember to eat my
dinner every day, since I get wrapped up in working in Wave Studio and
with my sound rig on my favourite tapes & DATs and lose all track of
time! :) But to get back to your point... no, I would never want anyone
to get in trouble, ever.
> practices of Income Tax evasion. DON'T FUCK WITH JAMMERS MIKE!!!!!! I
> FUCKING MEAN IT!
I pay my taxes in full each year based on the amount that goes into my
bank account. Why wouldn't I... it's income on the books, and they
account for it and they expect their share.
> >Didn't Kevin Moore ask his "Music Meant to be Heard" demo
> >not be put onto CD and sold ?
> >Yet you are offering this CD for sale for $20..
>
> and he knocks Durnik down with a left to the chin. GaZ is getting him
Man, don't you just hate it when people talk about shit they have no
fucking clue about? I was contacted by Kevin himself... once a long time
ago when he asked me NOT to make a CD of his stuff, and again recently
when he said that all Chromakey stuff is off-limits because of his
record deal, but that he didn't give a shit about the old demos.
"Shin-sho-ryu-reppa! You Win! Pahfect!" (grin to all SF vs MSH players)
> >Coming from you this is the height of hypocrisy..
> >Please tell me why trading a CDR of FII demos is
> >counterfeiting/piracy ?
OK, now some education for the greenhorns in the audience today.
A counterfeit is an exact copy (or such attempt) of an existing item
that's available for sale.
Piracy is a counterfeit where it's obviously not an attempt to mimic the
original product, so that its illicit origin is evident, but contains
the same contents.
Example: I can buy a COUNTERFEIT of Quake II from the local flea market,
or I can get a PIRATE copy off a warez web site.
A bootleg is a recording that is not available for sale but that
contains property that is copyrighted to another party.
Example: A CD of a DT show from 1995 on a DAT tape is a bootleg. A copy
of Rush "Exit Stage Left" video is a bootleg (it's not available for
sale anymore... at least not in the USA. In Japan, where IIRC it's still
on laserdisc, it would be piracy).
> >You making a digital copy of an officailly released Rush
> >video and selling it for $20/$40 isn't ?
>
> You mean Critcal Mass? Yep, Bahr sells this bootleg and yes it IS from a video> (I have this video so I know, don't lie Bahr!)
Scott, quit while you're ahead. You're just digging yourself deeper and
deeper. Graham was referring to the ESL and p/g and ASOH video
soundtrack boots from Rush. They're all on known bootlegs already, all
are out of print and thus are bootlegs and not pirate material, and none
of them are Prism anyway... it's just like me copying Mirrors for
someone. Critical Mass was NEVER released and is about as pure bootleg
as it gets, as it was a stolen closed-circuit tape from one of the staff
of the Palace of Auburn Hills in Michigan.
> >Weren't you also copying and selling Sony Playstation games at one time,
> >again this counterfeiting/piracy, is it not ?
>
> ooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhh!
> /me wonders if Sony knows about this. Things that make you go
> hmmmmmmmm...... :)
Doesn't matter. I don't deal in Sony PSX games and have no recollection
of ever having done so. (smile)
Damn, why do people keep dredging this shit up? I'm finally well on my
way to setting things right. Let's keep things that way. Props to all
the regulars, and can't wait til May 20th for the local DT show!!
And why does it always seem like this is all I ever post to the Jam
about? I wanna be a normal fan too!! If I could go, I dunno, maybe ONE
MONTH without having shit slung my way, perhaps I could finally
contribute some really quality content! :)
-- - Mike Bahr - Prism Records - d u r n i k @ g o o d n e t . c o m - http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/------------------------------
Date: Sun Apr 26 17:07:28 1998 GMT +0200 From: Rip Von Rytinki <triplez@gnwmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: TripleZ records back in business :) Message-ID: <199804261308.QAA19871@loop.nettilinja.fi>
Salute to all jammers!
TripleZ records has suffered big problems during the last 6 months, but we are now back in business!
The "big thing" is we changed our name, because there already was label named TripleX, so we are now TripleZ / Sleepy man records.
We are still offering our first product, Amorphis : Isle Of Joy bootleg, excellent sounding bootleg from Finnish masters of progressive doom metal(more info can be found at http://www.geocities.com/TimesSquare/Dungeon/4371/).
We were able to set the price a little lower, so one AMO:IOJ is now only $15! Those of you who already ordered back when this beauty was originally released, don't worry, we'll try to contact you and send your money back, if you don't hear from us, mail to this new address, and you'll get the cash back.
TripleZ will also soon start selling CD-R replicas of boots, MP3 boot collections and possibly VIVO format video CDs, we'll try to keep the jam updated.
Enjoy the jam.... personally all you 1500 are like my big family :)
Rip von Rytinki TripleZ / Sleepy man records
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:22:54 +0100 From: "CP Parnham" <C.P.Parnham-97@student.lboro.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Traders/bootleggers/Ytserobbers.... Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980426142254.0090f990@student-mailin.lboro.ac.uk>
Hello, although this is a day or two late (due to the time I get to read them) I feel I should put my words to use on the 'Jam. I'm better known as Insania and I've got to tell you about how Graham Boyle is such a great guy. He mentioned me, and Luke, and one or two others and I know Luke has already written about Graham, even if it was a little unusual... Graham is a great guy who's done me a great favour and what he's doing isn't wrong in my opinion. I agree totally with his points about Mike Bahr's CDs and the fact that just about all the FII demos are somewhere on the Internet for downloading anyway. If this is the case then why shouldn't they be on a CD or two somewhere around the world? Graham saved me from paying up $20 fucking dollars to a certain other trader on here (no names mentioned...) and *that* person never even replied to my e-mail! So if you disagree with Graham's way of thinking, so be it, but he's already helping people and NOT ripping anyone off. I wish there were more people like Graham around. I'd buy you a pint if you didn't live so damn far away! Good on ya, Graham! Chris Parnham aka Insania ICQ: 5714076
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:12:31 -0300 From: Lucas Perroni <gzr@uground.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dream Theater Live In Sao Paulo, Brazil - Sept. 12, 1997 CD available!! Message-ID: <354340CF.27F3A595@uground.org>
Hi All!
I finally got some few more copies of the Dream Theater bootleg CD-R called "Caught In Sao Paulo". It's a CD-R with the recordings of the master DAT from the audience. It's a single CD and this is the setlist:
1) A Change Of Seasons 2) The Mirror 3) Lie 4) Burning My Soul 5) Voices 6) The Silent Man (electric version) 7) Just Let Me Breathe 8) Caught In Alice's 9-Inch Tool Garden 9) Peruvian Skies 10) Pull me Under
The reordings are B+, the only problem is that the brazilian crowd screams TOO MUCH. Let me know if you are interested. I am trading it for 3 audio tapes or 1 VHS tape + 1 audio tape or, of course, 1 CD-R:-)
Take care!
PS: The gig was recorded at the Aramacan, Santo Andre, Brazil in Sept. 12, 1997
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:45:28 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Ytsejammer Bands And Musicians Message-ID: <01BD712F.C279B680@MARK>
I've been getting a buncha requests from 'Jammers, asking for a link for their band on UACM... Yesterday I figured, why not add a "Ytsejammer Bands and Musicians" section to UACM's links page... So if you are in a band, and want me to add your link, email me your URL, link description and short caption at itchy@dreamt.org :-) Of course, a link back to UACM would be appreciated. Oh yeah, please us the subject "Ytsejammer Band: <your bandname>" when you email me your info... That'll make it easier for me to seperate my mail. :)
Mark Bredius ____________________________________________________________ Dream Theater - Under A Cyber Moon E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org * http://www.prognosis.com/dream * Last updated: Today
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:19:35 -0400 From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Iced Earth (NDTC) Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980426151935.006fad00@pop.pipeline.com>
Jay "alpha and" Omega mentioned the "Days of Purgatory" disc as being only a single, and how he thought maybe he was missing something...well, he was! This cd was released in two forms; a single and a double cd. I bought the double, and only one of the cds is really worthwhile. I suspect it may be the first one. My set came in a cool digipack with a slip sleeve.
Digression:
Motorhead is proof you don't need talent to become recorded musicians. How did this guy ever get a gig singing? (Lemmy)
I can hear the lawn calling to me, "Don't mow me, don't mow me!"
CD of the Day: None. DSS Metal Station, currently playing "new" Motorhead. As if one could tell if it were new or not. See also: AC/DC.
Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
Detroit Red Wings 1996-97 Stanley Cup Champions First Round of the Playoffs vs. Phoenix Coyotes
Game One: Detroit - 6 Phoenix - 3 Game Two: Phoenix - 7 Detroit - 4 Game Three: Detroit at Phoenix, Sunday 3pm, FOX
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:31:50 -0400 From: Dave <hwoodson@ix.netcom.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: MIME POSTS Message-ID: <35436176.8A2@ix.netcom.com>
While reading through my usual DOZEN Jams today, it just hit me......Why doesn't everyone that reads the Jam cut and paste these fucking mime posts to an e-mail BACK to the original poster. Muahahaha....Think about it....if they get about 5 or 6 hundred e-mails a day that look like :
> Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980423234936.006936e8@snoopy.bridgewater.edu> > X-Sender: djg001@snoopy.bridgewater.edu > X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) > Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:49:36 -0400 > To: whofooldu@aol.com > ]From: Toy Boy <djg001@bridgewater.edu> > Subject: Daily Joke - How To Write Good... > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable They'll probably either learn how to use their FUCKING MAILERS or unsubscribe and we'll have 1/4 the bullshit to sort through daily !!!!!! ;) Thoughts brought to you by: Zildjian
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:32:33 -0400 From: "Metzger, Mark" <mmetzger@comversens.com> To: "'(ytsejam)'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Open All Night Records.... Message-ID: <603838AE6912D111A2B80000C07F4C9F0167F485@carrier.btrd.bostontechnology.com>
>Has anyone else received a message from Open All Night Records, who are >selling a promo bootleg compilation? It sounds pretty good, just wanted >to know if anyone has actually got one... > >Yeah, I've gotten the message from them. I'm also almost positive that I >will be buying the thing...it sounds like a killer compilation. Just have >to scrape up the cash...
Well, I have to say that this is indeed the real stuff. The sampler has a bunch of bands with mainly two songs from each. The sound quality is better than DoE.
The MORE IMPORTANT THING is that I have heard through the rumor mill :) that Open All Night Records has a KILLER boot-in-the-making of both the Bourges Festival and the not-so-secret Carolina IV gig the next night. Both of these shows are must haves to be sure. I suggest banding together and letting the senior management at Open All Night Records know that there would be strong support for complete show boots of these shows. You can reach the management at:
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Other ramblings:
The Bourges Festival was TITS !! MP's new hair style is DEFINITELY COOL !! Ties eats WORMS !! That one ingredient that differentiates Amstel from Heineken is NOT COOL !!
Bernd Basmer is TOO COOL (except for his secrets) !! Still waiting for DT tour dates in Antarctica. C'mon Mike !!
Mark Metzger VP Systems Engineering Comverse Network Systems
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:50:59 -0400 From: MIME_FUCKER <hwoodson@ix.netcom.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: new official EMPTY TREMOR fan club site Message-ID: <354365F3.16CF@ix.netcom.com>
> Arash Ashouriha wrote: > > Don't forget, as a member of Ystejam you can request a FREE PROMO TAPE > > directly from Empty Tremor. > > I am still waiting for a promo CD from these guys, I was told as far > back > as late February that they were gonna send me one. I still haven't got > it and my email enquiring about this is not answered.... > > Has anyone else been promised a promo CD and not recieved it ?? > > graham
I've been waiting too. Still haven't heard shit.
Zildjian
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Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:54:28 -0400 From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Music that Kicks Ass -- King Crimson Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980426125428.007ab880@pop3.afn.org>
http://www.afn.org/~afn39111/red_nightmare.zip King Crimson - "One More Red Nightmare"
Someone already gave a pretty good description of King Crimson recently, so I won't bother. Here's a song from RED, which is right at the end of the Fripp-Bruford-Wetton Mahavishnu-on-steroids incarnation of Crimso. It goes from meanace to jazz to meanace to jazz. Special guest genius Ian McDonald on alto sax.
Check out the drums. They're insane.
King Crimson is almost my favorite band. I have all their albums except Starless and Bible Black (one day I'll pick it up) and Three of a Perfect Pair (no way I'm paying for it). Likely you'll end up buying them all as well.
The 3 meg mp3 is in 44k mono, because I don't have the disk space for stereo, but that doesn't really matter because it's just a sample. The file is zipped to avoid cooking of the mp3 by Netscape.
The song will be around for a week. A week from now, it will disappear from the face of the earth, just one more red nightmare.
-=- I know a monster when I see one in the mirror.
--------------------==== Broken via True Love ====------------------- http://www.afn.org/~afn39111 Butcher, Rape, Smash to Pieces
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