YTSEJAM Digest 3807
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Savatage!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
2) Re: Replies to my "thoughts on FII" post...
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
3) Random Ramblings about JP and FII and Deleting Email
by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
4) HANK!!
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
5) Moaning women?
by Chris Groves <cdgroves@postoffice.utas.edu.au>
6) Moaning / Hank
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
7) Re: Sheesh!
by KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
8) Re: moaning women
by KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
9) 'tage in Atlanta and SOULFLY
by Wesley H Foll <gs01whf@panther.Gsu.EDU>
10) Re: My Take on FII and ? on the DFW concert
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
11) Re: moaning women
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3806
by "D. Frantz" <dfrantz@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>
13) RE: a bit 'bout John P
by Edwin Voras <Edwin.Voras@mci.com>
14) FII / Hank etc.
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net>
15) How would the band rate this album?
by Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com>
16) Re: moaning women
by "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu>
17) Re: moaning women
by "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU>
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:07:34 EDT
From: KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Savatage!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <2cdad815.35460cd7@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-04-28 13:02:11 EDT, you write:
<< Hey Jammers--
I'm pretty freakin' happy because I just found out about the Savatage show
at the Masquerade in Atlanta on June 18 (Thurs.)! I'm going, along with
at least two other people that I know of. I wanted to find out if anybody
else from the Jam will be making the trip. Let me know if you're going.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! >>
Also, Jaxx in Springfield, Va. has just posted:
Savatage: June 19
'Jammers interested? I don't even own any, but I'm willing to check them out.
What should I buy?
Thanks,
Kez
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:10:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Replies to my "thoughts on FII" post...
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980428100848.12194A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Tue, 28 Apr 1998, Michael Bahr wrote:
> Now playing: Rammstein "Sehnsucht". "DU HAST! DU HAST MICH!!!" This is
>the coolest German metal CD I've EVER heard.
YES! YES YES YES!
A friend of mine and I took a drive downtown, blasting Rammstein thru the
speakers, trying to act cool, until I realized that just that day, there
had been reports of neo-nazi activity in my town... after that, we turned
down the Rammstein. ^_^
>
>--
>- Mike Bahr - Prism Records
>- d u r n i k @ g o o d n e t . c o m
>- http://www.goodnet.com/~durnik/
>
--Matt
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:22:08 -0400
From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Random Ramblings about JP and FII and Deleting Email
Message-ID: <4AA929543BC8D111A4E800600808ACE51B6CC1@HAMSXHA2>
Pat Sullivan wrote,
>And...to add my penny to the FII opinions thread - I'm part of the minority
>that believe that FII is by far DT's best and most coherent album yet,
>although I must admit, I don't love every song on it.
Hear, hear. I totally agree with the opinion of FII being the best album
that OFB has put out. After getting I&W and being seriously let down by
Awake (and teased by ACoS), FII was a godsend, well worth the wait. I don't
like every song on the album (toss AL out, as far as I'm concerned), but
overall - one of the best albums I have ever heard.
Carol Dellinger complained,
>.....it took forever to d/l my e-mail this morning!
Cry me a river. Because of the stupid Empty Tremor's Mailing list and the
'Reply All' button, I had 687 bounced emails in my mailbox from
'Postmaster@dgii.com' this morning!!
Then,
>I don't really know what to think about John Petrucci... I mean, he's an =
>inevitable asset for the band DT, and he sure as hell got the *speed* =
>and the *perfection*... but has he got the *feeling*? After listening to =
>Satriani and Vai (The Masters!!!) I find some of Petrucci's play =
>rather...
I couldn't go on. I just couldn't read after that 'P' word...
:)
Nicholas Giannotti
JointSTARS Contracts
781-377-6745 / giannottin@hanscom.af.mil
"Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool."
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:30:46 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: HANK!!
Message-ID: <199804281730.KAA12947@gms.gmsnet.com>
Damn, I can't believe they took down the People poll cause Hank was ruling
the scene!!
-The Doc
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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 03:37:08 +1000 From: Chris Groves <cdgroves@postoffice.utas.edu.au> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Moaning women? Message-ID: <l03020908b16bc23985fe@[131.217.133.101]>
Someone asked about Moaning women? i.e. sexually? You need 'Come' by Prince/The Artist Formerly Known As Prince. On the album of the same name. You also need Type O Negative's "Bloody Kisses" CD. Also, one of my favourite sample-rific moments is on 'Welcome To PLanet Motherfucker' on White Zombie's "La Sexorcisto: Devil Music Volume One", right at the start, with the little "unh", that is delayed out of time with the music. Man, I LOVE that bit. Honestly, it's why I haven't sold the damn CD. :) So that's I guess another "moaning woman". I'm doing a course at University on feminism and won't be writing a paper on this kind of stuff! Come on! My essay is on the portrayal of women in opera. :)
On one of my small tangents, one of my other favourite sample moments is on the new Blood Duster album, "Str8outtanorthcote", on track 2..... the "sample" is longer than the rest of the song. As a vague description, imagine an Aussie lumberjack irately abusing some kind of protester or something, who's defending a tree...... "go on, fuck off, or I'll cut ya prick off" Luverly.
If anyone in Tasmania, Australia is still on the 'Jam, and lives in the Hobart area, listen out for the University of Tasmania's Breakfast show, 2-4pm next Thursday (May 7). A friend and I will be taking over the airwaves at that point in order to expose some ignored musical happenings. So yes, there will certainly be Dream Theater played. I'll pos the track listing for anyone who is even mildly interested sometime. Tune in: 92.1 FM. Everyone else.... um..... get a kick-ass receptor!
Seeya!
Chris Groves. cdgroves@postoffice.sandybay.utas.edu.au
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:41:34 -0400 From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Moaning / Hank Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980428134134.0072bb0c@pop.wam.umd.edu>
>My friend asked about songs that have moaning women in it. >Two examples were: > >Rocket Queen - Guns N Roses >More Human than Human - White Zombie > >Oh, music aficionados on this list, can you name others?
I'm thinkin' "Pink Floyd - Great Gig In The Sky" might count, but maybe that's more of the 'extended moan' type.
Also, all the songs written about me.
In People news, at about 11:30am Eastern, Hank the Angry, Drunken Dwarf became the most beautiful person of the year, giving pretty boy Leo a resound thrashing.
Lastly, if I were to rate FII, I'd give it an "O" for Outstanding, or, if your school system is the let's-not-let-the-stupid-kids-know-they're-stupid-until-they-hit-junior-high sort, an "S", for Satisfactory, with the knowledhe that it should really be an "O" if it weren't for the dumb-children-self-esteem factor.
Brian "Solomon" Henderson
=========================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: hender@wam.umd.edu ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ ===========================
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:40:18 EDT From: KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Sheesh! Message-ID: <9774f29d.35461484@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-04-28 13:18:09 EDT, you write:
<< Carol Dellinger wrote: > What is this? Some last minute push by Mike Bahr for Most Frequent Poster? > I guess this means that he is all caught up in his backlogged orders if he > has all this time to sit at his computer and type lengthy long winded > e-mails. Yes, I know I have a delete button, which has been worn out from > all the deleting I have been doing lately. But sheesh...gimme a > break.....it took forever to d/l my e-mail this morning! Well, that was pretty uncalled for. We're finally getting some good DTC on this list, and you complain? Sounds like someone needs a nap. -- Lisa Marie jessie@dreamt.org ICQ uin # 1518578 http://www.dreamt.org/jessie >>
Thank you and agreed, Lisa Marie. Miss Carol may need to retreat a little further into the shadows.............
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:42:12 EDT From: KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: moaning women Message-ID: <139b231e.354614f6@aol.com>
Hungry Like The Wolf: Duran Duran
DO NOT flame me for knowing that. ;~)
Kez
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:44:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Wesley H Foll <gs01whf@panther.Gsu.EDU> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: 'tage in Atlanta and SOULFLY Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.980428133524.2012B-100000@panther.Gsu.EDU>
Hey all, just letting you know that I'd like to think I'll go to the Savatage show in atlanta on June 18...seing as I live here and work not 5 minutes away from the Masquerade. heh. Also, I just saw Max Cavalera's new band SOULFLY there this past Sunday night. If you don't know who Max Cavalera is...get out of your cave! If you miss hearing Sepultura songs live and thought you never would again, go see this show, 'cause about half the set was Sep. The oldest songs they did were Beneath the Remains and Dead Embryonic Cells. They also did 3-4 songs from Chaos AD and a BUNCH from Roots. There were also a coupla Nailbomb songs thrown in there as well...adding up to a respectable ~90 minute show. Ex-Machine Head guitarist Logan Mader is also playing guitar on the tour with Max, so that tells you how much this show kicks ass. The new songs that Max has written I like better than the ones off of Roots too, I think Max finally got that "pissed off metalhead from Brasil/jungly tribal sound" right.
Oh yeah, I've seen a few posts about that band Full On The Mouth...they were the first band to open for Soulfly. So, all of you that like them or are curious...They also handed out their demo tape with 2 songs on it, but I haven't listened to it yet. I wasn't there for their show but heard that they sounded like "a hard-core band that looked and sounded like van halen." <--- (????) I'm kinda scared to listen to the demo now! heh
Well, anyways, see all you people going to PHilly's DT show in a couple of weeks!
ATTN: MIKE PORTNOY, check out SOULFLY man...some cool stuff going on on that cd.
Wes
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:46:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: My Take on FII and ? on the DFW concert Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980428133600.1057A-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
I know you were all waiting for this one. So, I will actually go on with my report card of the aging of FII. Bear in mind that I was at the fix for 96 shgows, and I have heard the mp3 demos.
1. NM: I still love this song, and would crank it up on my 300 watt stereo with jbl pa speakers if I didn't have to worry about destroying the foundation of my house. Maybe now that I( live in the garage ... was an A, still an A and always will be an A.
YNM: Yes, I heard YOM and like YOM better. Whilest I do skip YNM, I had hopes for this song on rock radio. Too bad it didn't work. I think it did get some help for the band in Jersey, though, as the trade winds show was sponsored by a local radio station. 95.9 and 105.5 played this song, and if it weren't DT, I think it would be only slightly above averge. But, it's DT and I did expect more, although it is a great alternative song. C and always stays at C
PS: Has never changed from the demo version. I love the pink floyd intro, and love how the song kicks your ass into the metal mode. Definitely a B and always will be a B.
HY: I hate the single edit version. But this song grew on me quickly. Wish it would've taken off, but hey, radio blows the dick anyway. Was a C, now a B.
BMS: OH, yeah, I love the demo more. I like HK in the middle, I love the fact that the demo was more prog. I hate the vocoder echo of burning my soul in the chorus, just let MP or whoever yelled it out in the demo do it.. But when the album version si=unk in, it was good, on its own terms, but still left me a little cold. Was an A, now a B.
HK: Nice, emotional, but not ytsejam, which is still my favorite instrumental. Does get a bit monotonous, but I like the emotion involved and I love how it transitions into LITS. B, all the way. but lately is sinking to a b-. Probably will sink more as the emotion fades away. ultimately a C.
LITS: Wow, baby, if this song was a woman, I would marry it. A, A, A, A. I like this version more than the demo. The demo was awesome at an A. I would give this an a+ and would go higher if I could.
TAMP: The demo was wonderful, and I am not one for 80s cheesey metal. When I heard the album version, I was shocked and think it is still too happy, but this song still says it all if you have had a loss. this song has a few grades, started at a B, went down to a C, abut is back to a B.
JLMB: I like the idea, but somehow this one just doesn't do it. I love it live, though. C.
AL: This song at first was a D. But then, I really listened to it and now I love it. I can't get it out of my head. B.
TOT: Nobody mentioned the Xanadu sounding intro to this song in their review lately, so I will, just to shove it up all your asses. HAHAHAHA. I don't think this song is an a, maybe an a-, or a b+. I can't exactly say why. Definitely one of the top three, but it is number three of the top three. I would love to see it live. And yes, I am a reject, while I love scarred or scars, whatever it's called, (rush and dt convfusion, definitely), I don't love it like I probably should, though I loved it live in 95.
Anybody who differs can bite me. Flame me if you must, but it's not warranted. I don't have much to say about the B sides, and I will agree with Mike about FII not taking IW from the top spot, but FII is still a great DT album and I think I like it better than most people do, but then again, who the hell knows.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:48:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: moaning women Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980428104720.7191A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
There's also the... interesting sounds of Lords of Acid... they have a female lead singer/talker/screamer, so...
^_^;; --Matt
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 12:55:19 -0500 (CDT) From: "D. Frantz" <dfrantz@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3806 Message-ID: <Pine.A41.3.95.980428125429.129274B-100000@red.weeg.uiowa.edu>
Could someone please e-mail me privately on how to get to the Vic comin from Iowa. Thanx in advance-
Frantz
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:57 -0800 (PST) From: Edwin Voras <Edwin.Voras@mci.com> To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: RE: a bit 'bout John P Message-ID: <19980428175911.FRRN8893@[166.33.99.41]>
>but has he got the *feeling*? After listening to Satriani and Vai (The Masters!!!)
JP no feeling???? Whoa dude you gotta stop whatever you are smoking!! :)
But seriously I love both Satch and Vai, but I honestly would rather listen to JP anyday. Now before you flame away just remember this is MY opinion and you don't necessarily have to agree, although it would make life much more bearable for both of us!! ;).... just kidding.
ytse on dude,
eD
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:03:33 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@ameritech.net> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: FII / Hank etc. Message-ID: <354619F5.6845374A@ameritech.net>
What's with all this silliness? Why are we all discussing DT's FII? I thought this was a Metallica / Grammar / Flame Sony & Mike Bahr mailing list? ;-)
Well, I'm listening to FII right now (on a sony 5-disc mini that I'm extremely happy with), and thinking about the recent FII thread (thanks Mike for bringing along a great thread).
Here's my 2 cents (I'll be brief)......
NM: I didn't care much for this one at first for some reason. It's really grown on me, and now I'd rank it pretty high.
YNM: It started weak, but has grown on me A LITTLE (still feel it's lacking though).
PS: I loved this tune right out of the gate, and still do (though a few other songs passed it up on my list of favorites). My 3rd or 4th favorite off FII.
HY: Once again, always loved this one. I don't care if everyone says it's cheesy (remember I'm the same person that defends Innocence Faded 'til the end of time), it's up near the top on FII.
BMS: Not great, but it does serve a good purpose as being a straightforward, hard rocking song (felt this way all along).
HK: I've always thought HK was good, but not as good as Erotomania or Ytse Jam (It certainly doesn't have as much WOW! factor).
LitS: Call me crazy but for some reason this song didn't sit really well with me at first (don't know why). It has grown on me tremendously though, now I rank it tied for best on FII. Pinnick's vocals add to the song as well.
TAMP: I pretty much liked this one at first, and still do. Haven't heard the demo though.....
JLMB: I hated this song at first (least favorite, next to YNM), probably because of the very straightforward, non poetic DT-type lyrics. Still, the anti-eMpTyV theme rang true with me. JLMB has grown on me ALOT though.
AL: At first this one probably my 3rd LEAST favorite, but it's really aging well. I like it quite a bit now.
ToT: Started out as my favorite, now is tied with LitS for my favorite. Myung rules!
Summary: At first, FII was a bit of a disappointment. Through the months though, it has only grown stronger and stronger. I probably listen to it more now than before (except for the first week or so, of course). I still prefer I&W and Awake, but let's face it: DT has refused to be stagnant, and is NOT RE-HASHING I&W. We should respect them for that.
On a side note: Hank the Angry, Drunken Dwarf is now in first place! He's also ranked something like 40th, with a different spelling (minus the comma). So keep him ahead, place your vote now! :-)
Thanks for listening, - Joe DeAngelo
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:08:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Damon Fibraio <damon@shell.monmouth.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: How would the band rate this album? Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980428140736.1057D-100000@shell.monmouth.com>
All this talk of how well FII aged has me thinking. How would DS or MP, the only two net savvy people in DT right now, rate this album's age factor, or even their other albums' age factors. Naturally, Derek can only comment on ACOS, but still the drum god, MP has to have an opinion on this. Calling you out of hiding, Mr. Portnoy.
-- Damon Fibraio, damon@monmouth.com Keyboardist, Vocalist, musical slut "One likes to believe in the freedom of music But glittering prizes and endless compromises shatter the illusion of integrity."--Rush, 1980
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 98 13:21:11 -0500 From: "Brian Hayden" <Brian.D.Hayden-1@tc.umn.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com, ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: moaning women Message-ID: <35461e17625a007@mhub2.tc.umn.edu>
Responding to the message of <Pine.HPP.3.96.980428121707.19171B-100000@njmsa.UMDNJ.EDU> from ytsejam@ax.com:
> My friend asked about songs that have moaning women in it. > Oh, music aficionados on this list, can you name others?
Of course, the all time classis: the female orgasm solo in Jackyl's "Dirty Little Mind." Or is it on "Mental Masturbation?" I don't remember off hand.
-Brian
"You've got to believe in yourself, because no one will believe in you... Imagination like a bird on the wing, flying free for you to use." -Ozzy Osbourne Coleridge on IRC Web: http://www.tc.umn.edu/~hayd0029
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Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 14:31:09 -0400 From: "Christopher R. Merlo" <cmerlo@CS.WM.EDU> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: moaning women Message-ID: <199804281831.OAA16724@daffy.cs.wm.edu>
While this probably doesn't classify as "moaning" per se, I always thought the girl at the beginning of Vai's "I Would Love To" ("You know, I'm very very shy") always sounded really sexy.
Other than that, there's a (overused :) sample of a woman moaning in Anthrax' "Startin' Up A Posse," on the Killer B's album.
-d
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