YTSEJAM Digest 4126
Today's Topics:
1) MY Girlfriend
by Glen Brooks <g_brooks@yahoo.com>
2) Re: Rhythm Patterns
by Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
3) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4125
by "Dr. Scott Mosher" <ninja@mindspring.com>
4) Chuck D's addy
by MentolPyro@aol.com
5) Dream Theater Tickets for Detroit August 15th
by "Duane Addy" <ddc@mail.wincom.net>
6) re: Kevin Shirley fan club
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
7) Re: jewel cases
by "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
8) Steve Lukather question
by "Volodya" <dr.riffken@hol.fr>
9) RealPlayer G2 UPGRADE
by "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
10) jewel cases
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
11) AgeofImpactJamesMurphyTestamentAlexSkolnickAttentionDeficitAgeofImpactagainTherionMediaPlay...... whew!
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
12) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4118
by SimonJC@aol.com
13) Different LTE members
by SimonJC@aol.com
14) Re: AgeofImpactJamesMurphyTestamentAlexSkolnickAttentionDeficitAgeofImpactagainTherionMediaPlay...... whew!
by Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
15) Tot Live
by "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com>
16) Re: DT Sucks?
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
17) Favorite on WDADU?
by "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com>
18) Re: Time Signatures
by Calvin6S@aol.com
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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 14:19:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Glen Brooks <g_brooks@yahoo.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: MY Girlfriend
Message-ID: <19980801211926.1411.rocketmail@send1e.yahoomail.com>
Does anyone except me know what it is like to have your girfriend like
DT? She actually went to a concert with me back in May.
She thinks Mike Porntoy is an animal...and he is.
Who else shares in my experience?
Glen
==
"Sometimes a view from sinless eyes
centers our perspectives
and passifies our cries."
Lines in the Sand,Dream Theater
g_brooks@yahoo.com,m_930136@hotmail.com
Check out my band's webpage:
http://www.flash.net/~xmittrs
_________________________________________________________
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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 98 14:38:01 -0700
From: Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
To: "A daily dose of Ytsejam..." <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Rhythm Patterns
Message-ID: <199808012138.OAA25657@hevanet.com>
Remember when Trevin Wagner got loose with:
>One of the COOLEST things MP does, and unfortunately I can think of none off
>the top of my head, is maybe play a pattern consisting of four measures of
>5/4 (where the 1/4 note equals one beat and there are five beats in the
>measure) while the rest of the band plays five measures of 4/4. After
>twenty 1/4 note beats, it everybody's "1" is again in the same spot.
Bill Bruford does this kind of over-the-bar playing all the time.
Listening to the album version of Yes's "Heart of the Sunrise", after the
frenetic intro, where it's only drums, bass, and atmospheric keyboards,
and the bass plays the lead, he throws in all kinds over-the-bar
flurries. That kind of stuff is also all over King Crimson, on albums
such as "Red" and also their latest, "Thrak." Thrak is insane though,
since there are sections where the six-piece band (including two drummers
Bruford and Pat Mastelotto (sp?)) divide up into trios and play
simultaneously in two very differing time signatures. Crazy stuff, highly
recommended.
Andrew
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|Andrew Embler : .<>. aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu .<>.|
|W e b s i t e : http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~aembler/ |
+-------------------------------------------------------+
Stupidity has a certain charm -- ignorance does not. -FZ
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Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 05:48:13 -0400
From: "Dr. Scott Mosher" <ninja@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4125
Message-ID: <35C435D4.5D86CD92@mindspring.com>
First off, MAXIMUM SECURITY by Tony MacAlpine is incredible and still stands up to this day (Plus, Lynch and Watson are on it).
Second, Music theory is cool and all, but, obviously, one doesn't really have to understand the technobabble about time signatures and odd meters to play it. Often times, bands improvise, and just happen to stumble upon odd meters through sheer accident, mixed with alot of creativity, mind you. It's like cooking: You really ought to know the basics to get into the advanced stages, but as long as you have some sort of talent as a chef, and you have that creative, experimental edge, you'll be cookin' in no time. To quote a great FUNK Band, THE TIME: In the skillet - Can you fill it?
Yo, I'm outta here.
- Scott
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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 17:52:13 EDT
From: MentolPyro@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Chuck D's addy
Message-ID: <4fb8015b.35c38e0e@aol.com>
it is most certainly the latter, XDTVOC1@AOL.com
enjoy
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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:05:51 -0400
From: "Duane Addy" <ddc@mail.wincom.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Dream Theater Tickets for Detroit August 15th
Message-ID: <001301bdbd98$8fce9100$55cb18cf@ciaccess.com.ciaccess.com>
I hope this message comes through in the proper format. My first message was
in html format by mistake. This is the first for me on the YTSEJAM digest so
I hope I didn't offend anyone with the wrong format.
I have 4 tickets for the August 15th show in Detroit at the Pine Knob
featuring Dream Theater , Deep Purple and ELP. Unfortunately I can't make
this show but I am going to catch them the 19th in Toronto. If anyone is
interested I would like some die hard DT fan to take them off my hands. I
would just like to be reimbursed for my original cost of $30.00 each. The
seats are row NN pavilion, including a parking pass.
I saw Dream Theater on the Images and Words tour and they only proved to me
that they are the premier musical band on the face of the earth. I am sure
the Toronto show I am attending will just reinforce this statement. If
anyone is interested please email to ddc@ciaccess.com
Dream Theater, Nightmare Cinema, Liquid Tension Experiment
The ultimate in Music Gratification.
See Ya!
Renderman
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 00:06:07 +0200
From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: Kevin Shirley fan club
Message-ID: <v01510102b1e93d3c0bf8@[194.7.226.248]>
On last night's Ytsejam home recording session,
Bruce Forst wrote:
<snip>
decides to go to the studio or take a crack at recording yourself Ala
Primus.The Kevin Gilbert album was freakin' recorded in his house for
chrissakes!!
>
He's not the only one. Can you say "Ozric Tentacles" or "Galactic Cowboys"?
>Some sage advice... NEVER let the guitarist adjust the mix!!! :-)
>
I hear you brother!
FiveNgroK
CP: Liquid Tension Experiment
Outside the soundness of your mind
Bathing your soul in silver tears
Beneath a blackened summer sky
Praying for time to dissapear
Dream Theater - "Under a Glass Moon"
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Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 18:05:15 -0400
From: "earthblind, starbound" <afn39111@afn.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: jewel cases
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980801180515.007aa710@pop3.afn.org>
>
>Wait, those things that support the CD in the middle of a jewel case? You
>mean, the ones that eventually come off and leave your cd vulnerable to
>sliding around the case about 4 weeks after you buy the case? Yeah, I know
They don't break off, though. At least the black ones. The clear ones
generally suck.
>and stuff, but we need a better way of holding the cd in the case.
There is one. Open your copy of Hooverphonic's "A new Stereophonic
Sound Spectacular" or Machines of Loving Grace's "Gilt." Notice how
the center of the jewel case is one solid piece? Those things are rock,
the only way you're going to break the cd-holder is to hurl the whole
thing at a wall.
Now if only Magna Carta would learn about these, so my copy of LTE
wouldn't bounce around inside the case--STILL a better situation than
Tony Levin's releases, though.
- "Trust no one. Kill everyone" (Milluminati Psycho).
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Atrium/4664
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Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 00:47:18 +0200
From: "Volodya" <dr.riffken@hol.fr>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Steve Lukather question
Message-ID: <000001bdbd9e$56f32660$ae209ac3@default>
Hello Jammers,
I'd like to ask people who are familiar with Steve Lukather's solo career.
I've heard he had a band called "Los Lobotomys". I think there's a live
recording between Steve's "Lukather" and "Candyman" albums. Does anyone have
that? What is it like?
Thanks,
Volodya.
OPEN ALL NIGHT RECORDS
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/9326/oan.htm
e-mail: provibe@club-internet.fr
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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 18:16:26 -0500
From: "Jan-Michael" <jmsouter@airmail.net>
To: "Ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: RealPlayer G2 UPGRADE
Message-ID: <000001bdbda2$685cb660$043588cf@jammer>
>Do not use RealPlayer G2 (new beta release), not for anything and
>especially not to try and hear Age of Impact. Not only is it slow and
>a cpu-hog, but no matter what you set in your preferences it tries to
>run Age of Impact at 81kbps. This is fine if you are on a T3, but
>Funny, I downloaded it last night and had no problems listening to Age of
>Impact with G2. I don't have a bleeding-edge system either (28.8
>connection p166 64MB RAM...) I guess your mileage may vary. I do
recommend
>it, tho if you can run it, because the sound quality is SO much better.
>
>Jason Birzer
Click on 'Check for UPGRADE' because there is already a newer version out
for download. It improves on the bugs of the previous version.
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Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 19:16:16 -0400
From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: jewel cases
Message-ID: <35C3A1C0.7489B302@bigfoot.com>
> WHY not just call the suckers "CD cases" or "CD covers".. Like anyo=
ne
> else? :)
>
>Get yourself a mental image of a diamond ring. See the tiny pieces =
of
>gold that stick up and support the jewel? Get a good sense of what
>these look like before you read further. They're almost finger-like
>in appearance. Got it?
>
>Now, go look at the things in the middle of the CD case that support
>the CD.
wow. I always just figured because they were shiny or something. Did =
you
come to that conclusion or do you know this for a fact? anyway, that'=
s
damn cool.
But, it still doesn't answer the question of why the things aren't ju=
st
called cd cases. There aren't any funky names for vinyl or cassette
cases. So why "jewel cases"? I believe to differentiate from the *oth=
er*
kinds of CD cases out there, such as the cardboard folder, the hinged
cardboard thing with the plastic clasp, etc.
And so, once again, my babbling enlightens the masses. Thank you, tha=
nk
you very much.
-- =A7...... =A7...... =A7...... =A7...... =A7...... =A7...... =A7......= =A7...... =A7.. Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com Razi on IRC & ICQ Check out Another Page at http://www.j51.com/~mrasiel. Hot diggity!------------------------------
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 19:24:36 -0400 From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com> To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: AgeofImpactJamesMurphyTestamentAlexSkolnickAttentionDeficitAgeofImpactagainTherionMediaPlay...... whew! Message-ID: <35C3A3B4.45161D34@home.com>
Mike Patrick said about "Age of Impact": > Seriously, James Murphy's halftime > solo blazes over the rest of the band's slower tempo,
Just curious: Is James Murphy the guy who used to be in Testament? (I'm pretty sure)
On a related Testament note, I really like Alex Skolnick's playing on Savatage's "Handful of Rain", and I know he was with Testament for a while. Christian Kremo recommended "The Ritual" and "Practice What You Preach" to me as being good Skolnick discs. However, I'm a little curious as to what they sound like, in particular the VOCALS. I heard something recent by them (either off Demonic or Low, I can't remember) and it sounded like Slayer (uggggghhhh). My impression is that they've changed drastically though, is that true?
On a related note (to the related note), when is Magna Carta' Attention Deficit (w/ Alex Skolnick) going to be out? This sounds pretty cool.
On a related note (to the related note {to the related note}), will somebody (DETROIT JAMMERS, this means YOU!) please tell me what in God's name is going on here in Motown with "Age of Impact". It doesn't exist here in Detroit. Now please don't dismiss this as another "God'durn it! Nobody carries prog CD's!" gripe, like what many people had with LTE. This is a little different: I'm not having people say "no, we don't carry that" or anything like that. Instead they're telling me that they DID order it, but it didn't come in because the release date got pushed back! WTF! It's not like it's one dumbass who listens to Hanson saying it either. It's like a DOZEN places!
On yet another related note (and a POSITIVE one, at that) when I went to Media Play today to see if they had AOI yet (which was a NO, of course) I saw Therion's "Vovin". Great stuff! Really amazing and eerie music. I like that this CD doesn't have the death metal growls of "Theli" (although I might be speaking too soon, since I haven't listened to all of Vovin yet). I do have a few Therion Q's for you folks. Media Play also has another CD called "Leppaca Kliffoth" or something like that (I forget). Is it any good, and what's it like? I'd like to learn a little more about this awesome group. Do they have a webpage?
Bride of yet another (the last) related note: Media Play kinda kicks ass. I recently bought the two Therion CD's there. I also bought two Enchant CD's (and found several other Magna Carta discs, like "Working Man" and Tempest). They also have a really good general metal selection (for example, they had in stock every Savatage CD, all DT's stuff, lots of Testament and others).
WHEW! I'm out of breath now.
Later folks, - Joe D.
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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:34:26 EDT From: SimonJC@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4118 Message-ID: <3fd470a3.35c3a603@aol.com>
In a message dated 30/07/98 19:48:31 GMT, you write:
<< there it is.........sorry if it took up a lot of space, but who the hell likes metal/hard rock/etc. and wasn't a KISS fan at one time or another......go ahead, say no, I dare you........... >>
I really like metal/hard rock/etc and I have never liked KISS at all.
Sorry and all that.
The only song I ever liked by them, (and I'll probably get flamed for saying this was "God gave rock and roll to you" used in Bill and Teds Bogus Journey.
Simon Christie
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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:34:29 EDT From: SimonJC@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Different LTE members Message-ID: <9623877b.35c3a607@aol.com>
Hi
Last week I managed to get my hands on LTE.Which was difficult in the UK. Anyway I was reading the inner sleeve and read the bit about Mike Portnoy choosing a guitarist and thinking about using Dimebag Darrell. No don't get me wrong because I like Pantera, but could you imagine how different LTE would have been with DD instead of JP. For a start the songs would probably be heavier and not have as much jazz influence. Perhaps a country side to it (in the solos). Obviously the material doesn't depend entirely on the guitarist (even though us guitarists would like to think so) but the album would have been interesting.
Simon Christie
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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 98 16:44:34 -0700 From: Andrew Embler <aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: "A daily dose of Ytsejam..." <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: AgeofImpactJamesMurphyTestamentAlexSkolnickAttentionDeficitAgeofImpactagainTherionMediaPlay...... whew! Message-ID: <199808012345.QAA05293@hevanet.com>
>On a related note (to the related note), when is Magna Carta' Attention >Deficit (w/ Alex Skolnick) going to >be out? This sounds pretty cool.
It's out now. I saw it at Tower Records today. It was actually up on the rack above the general CD selection, crying out "Buy me! Buy me!" But I didn't.
Andrew
+-------------------------------------------------------+ |Andrew Embler : .<>. aembler@gladstone.uoregon.edu .<>.| |W e b s i t e : http://gladstone.uoregon.edu/~aembler/ | +-------------------------------------------------------+ A conductor is a guy who goes around forcing his will on unsuspecting air molecules, often with the assistance of unsuspecting musicians. -FZ
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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 16:42:42 -0700 From: "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Tot Live Message-ID: <000001bdbda6$138a6660$628f15cf@markphil>
>***ToT: This is a great album song, but a terrible live tune. It's a song >that you just want to close your eyes and concentrate on every nuance. I am >interested to hear it on OiaL, but when I saw them in NYC, it was a poor >choice with which to close the set.***
When I heard this live in SF, I was riding an emotional wave... While listening to it on the album allows you to get the nuances of the piece... hearing it live gives it more power and emotion... You've heard the song before... you know every articulation... so lets step up the intensity level. Same with a song like LtL! The emotion and intensity that you get from a live performance can't really compare to the studio version... but you DO get much more of the little things that make the song great in the studio version...
Mark
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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 19:50:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: DT Sucks? Message-ID: <199808012350.TAA02220@optical.mindstorm.com>
A thousand monkeys in Glen Brooks's basement typed:
> John Petrucci....great guy, great player....but he suck as a guitar > player.
[other unabashed hero worship removed]
> What do y'all think? > > Glen > > P.S. I love DT!!!
You quite clearly need professional help. As a matter of fact, you might just be the perfect candidate for Dr. Mosh's newly-patented ElectroMosh(tm) therapy system.
And if the bugs aren't all worked out yet, well, at least there'd be less posts with the "word" y'all in them.
d-man can't wait to get back to the north (three days!)
------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough d-man@dreamt.org "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates cmerlo@mindstorm.com /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.dreamt.org/d-man \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 16:54:16 -0700 From: "Mark Philpot" <griphiam@ccnet.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Favorite on WDADU? Message-ID: <000101bdbda7$b141a7a0$628f15cf@markphil>
Well,
I was wondering, what is everyone's favorite song on WDADU? It doesn't necessarily have to be off the album, (so with either Charlie or James singing)...
I have a tough time between Only a Matter of Time and Another Hand/The Killing Hand...
The thought's on the table
Mark
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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 20:31:47 EDT From: Calvin6S@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Time Signatures Message-ID: <ce2cc61d.35c3b375@aol.com>
Haje responded to the time signature question with:
> >What does it mean when a song is played in 4/4, 7/8, 19/16, and so on? > 4/4 means there are four quarter notes in a measure. > 7/8 means there are seven eighth notes in a measure. > 19/16 means there are nineteen sixteenth notes in a measure. > etc :) >
Almost. 4/4 means there are four quater notes in a measure and the quarter note GETS THE BEAT. In other words, you would tap your foot on the quarter note pulse. 4 = Number of pulses - 4 = Pulse is quarter notes
Is it that simple? Hell no. 4/4 is also refered to as common time - and by quinky dink, the common (popular) music usually is in 4/4. However, what about the OTHER time signatures.
First thing to determine - is it SIMPLE time or COMPOUND time. Well, let us take the simple time signature 9/8. How do you feel this? The correct answer is HOWEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT TO.
Classical music tends to feel it as COMPOUND time. Compound time is where the dotted quarter note gets the beat (not necessarily the quarter note but a dotted anything really). A dotted quarter note is equal to three eighth notes. So in a common classical beat you would feel 9/8 as: 1 and a 2 and a 3 and a - so there are only 3 pulses, however the note (numerator) says 9. So why only 3 pulses - because it is felt in compound time.
So is this "compound time" the only way to feel 9/8? NO. Obvious example - Voices Intro. This is in 9/8. Is it felt in COMPOUND time? nope - SIMPLE time. This means the quarter note gets the beat (no dotted pulse). As Mike Portnoy would describe the beat "It's 4/4 with an extra eighth note tacked on". In other words: 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and 5
There are 5 pulses, but the last pulse is CUT IN HALF so to speak. Is this wrong? Well, do you like the feel of the voices intro?
You could also feel it as the eighth note gets the beat and you have 9 pulses (although this would have a very hectic feel to it)
Next - 7/8. You could feel it as simple time: 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 In other words, 4/4 with the last eighth note cut off. Four pulses with the last pulse cut in half. You could feel it as compound time: 1 and a 2 and a 3 1 and a 2 and a 3 In other words, 6/8 with an extra eighth note tacked on for a total of 3 pulses, the last pulse 1/3 duration of the other 2. You could feel it as seven pulses: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 (note: If you count it out this way, do your self a favor and turn the word seven into a one word syllable - "sev" so - one two three four five six sev. If you say seven, you are prone to feeling 7/8 as 8/8.)
I would suggest listening to a lot of 4/4 music (in abundance of course) and noticing how other non 4/4 music is different. After awhile, you will get the idea. I could go on and on with a million different examples, but the point is that one time signature doesn't have just one feel. It is up to the composer. I would say that the DRUMMER usually has the most influence as to what time signature is taking place. Mike Portnoy makes this evident time and time again. (excuse me while I clean my brown nose now)
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