YTSEJAM digest 4124

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Date: Sat Aug 01 1998 - 12:11:05 EDT

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YTSEJAM Digest 4124

Today's Topics:

  1) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4122
by FlatYer5s@aol.com
  2) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4122
by FlatYer5s@aol.com
  3) Re: defending producer Shirley
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
  4) Deep Purple
by hajejan <hajejan@geocities.com>
  5) the next super project
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
  6) More abou tjewel cases
by hajejan <hajejan@geocities.com>
  7) absolutely no DT content... :)
by hajejan <hajejan@geocities.com>
  8) Rythm patterns
by hajejan <hajejan@geocities.com>
  9) MFP lists / H Website
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
10) Re: Rush Live CD set . . .
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
11) AoI and stuff...
by "Mike Patrick" <mepatric@indy.net>
12) Brazil rules!!/Trade page
by "Gabriel Fran?a" <ggspider@hotmail.com>
13) DT melodies on cellular phones
by Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il>
14) Chuck D's addy
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
15) FII, Shirley & Symphony X
by "Death Lord" <preston@in-tech.net>
16) Re: More abou tjewel cases
by Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com>
17) Kevin Shirley fan club
by "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net>

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 02:48:06 EDT
From: FlatYer5s@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4122
Message-ID: <f6ec223.35c2ba27@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-07-31 22:01:42 EDT, you write:

<< Yup! Jon Finn is one of the best "unknown" guitar players out there.
He's a teacher @ Berklee College of Music, and he actually tought JP.
He' just AMAZING!!! >>

In reality, JP did not study with Jon Finn. I asked Jon about this when I
studied with with back in '93- Jon became QUITE exasperated at this FAQ from
his own fiery, personal hell and beat me to a pulp. ;) He said that when
Petrucci went to Berklee back in '86, he studied with a guitar professor named
Larry Senibaldi- known to Berklee guitar guys as the old guy with the
Steinberger. He rips hard, btw. Jon, incidentally, continues to rip the
heads off of those who continue this Petrucci rumor... Joe Stump started
teaching there during my last semester too....<holding back imminent shred-
attack...> Oww...where's my gel-coated ibu's...

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 03:05:01 EDT
From: FlatYer5s@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4122
Message-ID: <b43a6da4.35c2be1e@aol.com>

In a message dated 98-07-31 22:01:42 EDT, you write:

<< His music is very prog/metal like... You'll love it, believe me. >>

I find the music of the Jon Finn Group to be quite prog but NOT metal like at
ALL, in all honesty. I've seen them play quite a few times at Boston area
clubs over the better part of a year- from mid-'93 to late '94. I would
describe their music as a SUPER technical instrumental rock power trio- quite
similar upon first listening to the Dixie Dregs minus violin and the Steve
Morse Band. VERY challenging, cool stuff that grows on you immediately. Dave
DiCenso and Joe Santerre both teach at Berklee and are two of THE best
drummers and bass players anywhere. Plus, Jon is MONSTROUS on the guitar-
it's no wonder that he's the most sought-after guitar instructor at Berklee.
Great stuff- Don't Look So Serious was a great cd of theirs that I had but
LOST a number of years ago....great....now I'm pissed about it again...

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 02:35:51 -0700
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: defending producer Shirley
Message-ID: <199808010935.CAA18231@gms.gmsnet.com>

Before being sacrificed upon the altar..., Bruce Forst thus begged:
>After listening to the quality sound of FII, Awake sounds sick.
>
>>I'm kinda GLAD Shirley had NOTHING to do with Impact.
>>Shirley should be hung for what he did to TAMP.
>
>You mean make it interesting and less cliched? umm.... I heard the demo, wasnt impressed.

Yeah, I suppose you like everything by Sting too... He's not cliche... maybe
DT should really do a Puff Daddy remix, you might like it...

About as interesting as paper bags. He took away all the passion, made it
adult contemporary... if you call that shit interesting, maybe you should
try some Kenny G.

-The Doc

-- L I S T E N - http://progmetal.gmsnet.com <> drkhoe@gmsnet.com <> "The music's dying, but its epitaph will say... it's not over yet." - Explorer's Club, AGE OF IMPACT, IMPACT 2 - FADING FAST

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 98 11:43:24 +0200 From: hajejan <hajejan@geocities.com> To: "Jamaoids" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Deep Purple Message-ID: <199808010943.CAA13158@geocities.com>

Be greeted

Deep purple is coming to Norway! I geuss that is a good thing. Now the question is.. Should I go? i've heard them discussed on the Jam quite a lot, but I haven't heard a single somg of them (That I'm aware of)

What kinda music do they play? Proggish?

Oh well.. CIAO!

Haje

____________________________________________________________________ | keyboardist - drummer - student Haje Jan Kamps | songtext writer - martial artist hajejan@geocities.com | Dream Theater fan - visual artist http://home.sol.no/~lrovers/haje | escaped mental institution client _________________________________|__________________________________ I'm not happy because I smile ----- I am smiling because I'm happy ...Has anyone seen my Chapstick?

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 02:43:21 -0700 From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: the next super project Message-ID: <199808010943.CAA18290@gms.gmsnet.com>

Well, word has it that Kevin Moore is gonna write a Magna Carta project with a bunch of guest musicians...

Well... one can dream I suppose

BWAHAH

-The Doc

-- L I S T E N - http://progmetal.gmsnet.com <> drkhoe@gmsnet.com <> "The music's dying, but its epitaph will say... it's not over yet." - Explorer's Club, AGE OF IMPACT, IMPACT 2 - FADING FAST

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 98 11:43:27 +0200 From: hajejan <hajejan@geocities.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: More abou tjewel cases Message-ID: <199808010943.CAA13169@geocities.com>

>>I have heard the term "Jewel CD cases" used a coupla times on the 'jam. >>What are they, what do I use them for, and if they are cool, where can I >>get them? :) > >you probably already have dozens if not hundreds of them. Jewel cases are >those normal cases that most CDs come in, hinges on the left. if you drop >it it breaks and the cover just neatly comes completely off from then on, >you know the thing. the inside used to be dark gray but lately they're all >clear. That's a jewel case. Moo. Yea.. About three hundred of 'em :)

Okay.. I'm sure there is someone from the CD business here on the list...

WHY not just call the suckers "CD cases" or "CD covers".. Like anyone else? :)

HJK

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 98 11:53:54 +0200 From: hajejan <hajejan@geocities.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: absolutely no DT content... :) Message-ID: <199808010953.CAA06562@geocities.com>

>1. Yo, is that Chapstick or CHAPMAN STICK? If it's the latter, then >Myung has got it. Hey man... When I say CHAPSTICK.. I mean CHAPSTICK.. :)

well.. Just for clarity

Over and out.

Haje

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 98 11:53:59 +0200 From: hajejan <hajejan@geocities.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Rythm patterns Message-ID: <199808010953.CAA06584@geocities.com>

>What does it mean when a song is played in 4/4, 7/8, 19/16, and so on? 4/4 means there are four quarter notes in a measure. 7/8 means there are seven eighth notes in a measure. 19/16 means there are nineteen sixteenth notes in a measure. etc :)

>the music. If so, how can you (I) recognize these different time >signatures in, for example, No clue.. Usually I jsut start counting out the beats out loud, and I start on "1" whenever it ounds naturally :) I'm not sure..

ANyone got some input?

Haje Jan (A Dutch Jammer living in Norway, wishing he was in USA :)

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 13:48:23 +0200 From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: MFP lists / H Website Message-ID: <01BDBD55.6B38DB40@171.153.dialin.mxs.nl>

Just uploaded the new "Most Frequent Poster" list to Itchy's Dream Theater Homepage at :

http://www.prognosis.com/itchy/indexdt.htm

Also check out "The Official H Website" (url in my sig) if you're a Steve Hogarth fan. Two days ago, Steve gave me the go ahead to call it his "official site" and will mention the site in the upcoming US release of his solo album "Ice Cream Genius". I'm a very happy camper ! :)

Mark Bredius _______________________________________________________ Under A Cyber Moon - The Official Dream Theater Website http://www.dreamtheater.net/ E-mail: itchy@dreamt.org The Official H Website -- http://www.hogarth.com/steve/

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 15:05:35 +0200 From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Rush Live CD set . . . Message-ID: <v01510100b1e8c1db5c27@[194.7.177.165]>

>Thought of During a minute moment of lucidity amidst an insane >situation: > > Okay, we all know by now the news that Rush has a new live CD set >coming out. Does anyone know what the track list is going to be? >Particularly the 1979 disk? This is a mystery that I am dying to solve. >And slap me silly with tofu noodles for asking this, but does anyone >know what tracks are going to be on the DT live CD? >

Visit the website at www.dreamtheater.net. It has the complete tracklist.

> Finally, does anyone know where I left the bag of cookies I bought >yesterday? >

They probably fell down and rolled underneath the couch while you were watching TV last night.

> The cookie problem is of utmost importance! > > Thanks! >

Don't mention it.

FiveNgroK

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 08:41:15 -0500 From: "Mike Patrick" <mepatric@indy.net> To: "DT" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: AoI and stuff... Message-ID: <199808011335.IAA26964@indy1.indy.net>

AoI thoughts...

Trent Gardner always gives me the impression of someone who want more than anything else in the world to write an 'epic' piece of music and is just short of having what it takes to pull it off.

There's something to be said for the subtlety of your message, and I don't find that to be the case with either Magellan or AoI. Lyrically, it's just too straightforward, kind of like you're being beat over the head. Think about some DT 'epics', like 'Lines in the Sand', 'Learning to Live', 'Scarred', etc. Those songs are much more open to interpretation, not so direct. Maybe that's just a personal preference.

Yes, the production sucks. Magna Carta does not do itself any favors by releasing poorly recorded stuff. Then again, they are more familiar with all the trade-offs than I am (higher production costs vs. sales figures, etc.)

Man, part one is just a sonic barrage. That one will take a while.

Petrucci is the man, as usual. Question: what is to keep East/West from saying, 'Hey, bud. All these side projects are nice, but how about saving some ideas for us?" What's the deal with that. Seriously, the man is had more exposure lately than a flasher in Time Square.

Why does nobody ever mention part four? Probably because Petrucci is largely missing from it, but I like it. Seriously, James Murphy's halftime solo blazes over the rest of the band's slower tempo, and I really like Gardner's trombone solo as it blends into Sheehan's bass solo as this goes into the nylon string guitar thing. I really think these are the best transitions on the whole album.

For all the slagging I do of LaBrie, he's really good on this.

Bozzio - is he great? Yes. The best? Better than anyone else? (Portnoy, etc.) How can you honestly say that? Bozzio is one of those guys whose reputation has just kind of run wild and I can never figure out why. I think if he died tomorrow, it would be a Hendrix thing. People would wander around saying, 'Bozzio was the greatest - EVER' and everyone who played drums forever after would only be doing so in his long shadow.

> HK: The best DT instrumental so far, IMHO. I was never a fan of Ytsejam >(the song) and Erotomania grew tedious after a while, but I still really >love this song, especially the synchronized runs at the end.

I never cared all that much for Ytsejam either. Hell's Kitchen, however, emotionally hits you like a punch to the solar plexus. Ytsejam? Not even close.

>Yeah, sure he did... but it was a prog project to start with... I don't >think he really did much "producing" on LTE. Like slaughtering songs >that were perfectly good to begin with on FII

Mosh, give it a rest. Don't listen to demos, they're bad for your health! You know, if you'd never heard a demo of the song (and I haven't on purpose), you'd think the one on the album is a pretty damn good song.

Mike Patrick Indianapolis, IN mepatric@indy.net

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Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 06:52:29 PDT From: "Gabriel Fran?a" <ggspider@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Brazil rules!!/Trade page Message-ID: <19980801135230.7819.qmail@hotmail.com>

Nice ROger`s idea: A Brazilian Ytse Gathering., I`m In too.

I`ve just published my trade page, go ther and see: http://www.uniao.com.br/spider

Cheers, Gabriel

Keep on dreamin`

______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 17:23:13 +0300 From: Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il> To: Ytsejam Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT melodies on cellular phones Message-ID: <35C324D1.9A5B56D1@netvision.net.il>

Hi there!

Note: this post was sent because I'm very bored and have nothing better to do. If you do not wish to read my lyrical bullshit, please scroll past this message.

I'm working as a English-Hebrew translator. My current task is an Ericsson phone. Now, on this phone you can compose short melodies that replace your phone's ring.

Now, I though: wouldn't it be kinda cool to have a DT ringing melody (say, ytsejam) in your car phone?

Because I have neither (car or car phone), I can't do much, but this IS a rather nice idea, isn't it?

Still looking for portnoy's reply to KorgX3's reply to the guy who wrote that portnoy is god...

]From: Portnoy666@aol.com Subject: My worshipers

-- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il> aka Kurush | | | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 | | | | Keyboard player | computer programmer | high-school attendee | -----------------------------------------------------------------

- BUT I GOT A KRYSTAL BOL! (Frank Zappa, Cosmik Debris, ')

Check out the samples of me playing on my page

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Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 10:25:39 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: Ytsejam Mailing list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Chuck D's addy Message-ID: <35C32563.FB7881E9@caribe.net>

sorry to clutter the jam with this but, was chuck d's email : XDTVOC@aol.com or XDTVOC1@aol.com?? or if neither.. what was it??? I lost his mailing list emails regarding his video stuff...

Thanx in advance..

In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro Tech Support Rep : Caribbean Internet Service mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:ytseprog@yahoo.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:20:40 -0400 From: "Death Lord" <preston@in-tech.net> To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: FII, Shirley & Symphony X Message-ID: <000701bdbd5f$f34a0860$5f18acd1@Customer.in-tech.net>

Personally, I loved FII when it came out. I liked the heaviness of some of the songs, and the catchy guitar riff of You Not Me. I usually have to be in a certain mood to listen to TAMP or AL (just like TSM on Awake). I thought the album thoroughly kicked ass, and listened to it all the time. I think Shirley did a great mixing job, as well as in LTE. He seems to have a good relationship with the band. Whatever makes DT happy, I'm all for. I appreciate the diversity of each album. If I want to listen to DT with more crunch, I usually listen to Awake. If I want to hear the more technical DT, I listen to WDADU or I&W. FII is a little more mainstream-sounding, but it still has the prog element. Also, many songs off of FII actually gave me goosebumps (like Hell's Kitchen and Trial of Tears). I also like the demos as well. I've been listening to Symphony X: Divine Wings of Tragedy and Twilight in the Olympus, and I must say they kick ass! I usually listen to an album until I know what song I'm hearing anytime, so they're still getting alot of playing time. Great vocals, and guitars, and I love the keyboards in them. I don't much care for the opera-style vocal parts, though. Also, I've been listening to Explorer's Club:AOI and I think it's a great prog album. I agree with the lack of audible drums. Some of the songs sound alot like the others due to the repeating of guitar riffs and lyrics, but I still like them. It's more prog-rock than prog-metal, but I actually like it. I also recently have my prog stuff segmented from my metal and other stuff. I listen to it far more these days, so I thought it would be easier to access. BTW, I picked up the new Fear Factory:Obsolete album when I got EC. It's not bad, but it's a little less harmonic than the last, I think. It sounds almost a little too Pantera-ish. I almost never listen to Pantera because I usually have to be pissed to listen to it.

Death Lord

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:56:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Digital Man <cmerlo@optical.mindstorm.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: More abou tjewel cases Message-ID: <199808011556.LAA31852@optical.mindstorm.com>

A thousand monkeys in hajejan's basement typed:

[on the subject of jewel cases...]

> WHY not just call the suckers "CD cases" or "CD covers".. Like anyone > else? :)

Get yourself a mental image of a diamond ring. See the tiny pieces of gold that stick up and support the jewel? Get a good sense of what these look like before you read further. They're almost finger-like in appearance. Got it?

Now, go look at the things in the middle of the CD case that support the CD.

No further questions, your honor.

d-man has been watching too much Law and Order

------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Digital Man \|/ ____ \|/ "640 K ought to be enough d-man@dreamt.org "@'/ ,. \`@" memory for everyone." -Gates cmerlo@mindstorm.com /_| \__/ |_\ "He won't need a bed http://www.dreamt.org/d-man \__U_/ He's a digital man" -Peart ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 11:59:51 -0400 From: "Thomas Forcier" <thomas.o.forcier@worldnet.att.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Kevin Shirley fan club Message-ID: <19980801155709.YEBG15281@239157822worldnet.att.net>

Hello, I for one believe this guy did a great job. His work makes the album distinctive and not just another cookie-cutter prog album. I don't care for the production on Awake; its a bit too bombastic for me. And I&W has the dubious honor of contain the worst drum sound in DT history thanks to those triggers. ACOS is great, though the snare sound gets to me. But FiI is dead on. There are no songs where you wonder "where is the bass?" or "is Derek even playing?" Every song has a fairly proportional mix, depending on the roles of the instrument. But then again, I think the best produced Satch album is the self-titled one, and I get routinely slammed for that belief.

Stodgers is off to the movies... (Kevin Spacey... woo-hoo!)

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