YTSEJAM Digest 4138
Today's Topics:
1) Derek
by Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
2) king crimson
by "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com>
3) The ultimate shredband?
by "Jarno Tuomainen" <jarno_tuomainen@hotmail.com>
4) Re: The ultimate shredband?
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
5) testament/ devil music
by Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com>
6) Re: Derek
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
7) Labrie's sig.- KM vs. DS - Drugs & DT
by AL <al@isd.net>
8) Hampton Beach Casino Ballroom show
by "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil>
9) Re: spocks tour?
by Ayreon@webtv.net (Blind Guardian)
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4131
by Ayreon@webtv.net (Blind Guardian)
11) Prog stores
by Ayreon@webtv.net (Blind Guardian)
12) DT at Hampton Beach
by "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net>
13)
by jogopogo@freemail.nl
14) Need some serious help here!
by Ayreon@webtv.net (Blind Guardian)
15) New Sites, Tix etc
by "Duane Addy" <ddc@mail.wincom.net>
16) Re: Prog stores
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
17) Re: Derek / Sym. X / a tad bit of *etallica
by ed_wilk@juno.com (Ed J Wilk)
18) Re: Labrie's sig.- KM vs. DS - Drugs & DT
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 02:18:02 -0400
From: Joe DeAngelo <jdeangelo@home.com>
To: YTSEJAM <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Derek
Message-ID: <35C7F91A.8977F02F@home.com>
Damon Fibraio said about Derek:
> And let's not forget the solo in A Change
> of Seasons. That is prog from hell.
That's true: But correct me if I'm wrong - Derek didn't write any of
ACoS. Right?
It was written when KevMo was still around, I think.
Don't get me wrong though........ I have a feeling Derek is really gonna
surprise alot of people when the next studio album comes out!
- Joe D.
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 01:17:39 -0700
From: "Alex Smith" <bacchus@azstarnet.com>
To: "YTSEJAM" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: king crimson
Message-ID: <01bdc049$82cf2100$bb27c5a9@Starnet.azstarnet.com>
<quote>
> Firstly, there is the intro to New Millennium which is very counterpointed
> and difficult to play, not the bass part, but the beginning.
Two Words: King Crimson. :)
</quote>
has anyone ever noticed the beginning of scarred? it starts with a VERY king
crimson sound that almost immeadately morphs into a david gilmourish
guitar.... hmmm wow they can emulate two bands in the span of fifteen
seconds! pretty good rip offs! ;-)
Alex Smith
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A man got a right to dream
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To choose the manner of the life he leads
One man's thoughts on another man's skin
We are lover, warrior, magician kings."
-Fish
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 02:04:00 PDT
From: "Jarno Tuomainen" <jarno_tuomainen@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The ultimate shredband?
Message-ID: <19980805090401.598.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hello there.
I was just wondering if any of you guys know bands that resemble the
shreddier side of Dream Theater. Surprisingly I think Images & Words is
their best album and I have Liquid Tension Experiment which is also
great. Rush etc. are ok but what I'm looking is something prog with more
speed and technical virtuosity; a real show-off of players' abilities.
I've got cds from artists like Macalpine, Moore, Malmsteen, Racer X and
Friedman among others but as you know they all lack the proggish side.
Come to think of it, an album a'la Paradigm Shift a'la Liquid Tension
cuold come pretty close.
Is there such a band? Please let me (and others) know if you have
something I described in mind. All suggestions welcome.
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 03:04:58 -0600
From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: The ultimate shredband?
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980805030456.006f68f0@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 02:20 AM 8/5/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
> Hello there.
>I was just wondering if any of you guys know bands that resemble the
>shreddier side of Dream Theater.
Hmm....well there's SYMPHONY X, Stratovarius, SYMPHONY X, Angra, SYMPHONY
X, Helloween, SYMPHONY X, Cacaphony.....oh yeah, did I mention Symphony X?
=)
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 07:23:36 -0400
From: Dan Temmesfeld <dantemm@erinet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: testament/ devil music
Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980805072336.0079c570@mail.erinet.com>
well, it's not really devil music. they've always had that goat logo
(since one of their early albums).
the name of the album is "demonic" but the name of the song is "demonic
refusal." the lyrics for the whole rest of the album are quite good,
actually. not satanic at all. just kick-ass metal. i think they might
have tried to gain more of the heavy-as-fuck/satanic-listeners with their
latest, which is why is might have "seemed" to be more of a "devil music"
thing... maybe it's just a bandwagon...
Dan
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 07:27:43 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Derek
Message-ID: <35C841AF.E8FD6018@caribe.net>
Joe DeAngelo wrote:
> Damon Fibraio said about Derek:
> > And let's not forget the solo in A Change
> > of Seasons. That is prog from hell.
>
> That's true: But correct me if I'm wrong - Derek didn't write any of
> ACoS. Right?
> It was written when KevMo was still around, I think.
Well i dont know if youve heard the old version, which basically the whole
section after labrie sings "now its time for them, to deal with me" is
totally different with a neo classic(?) feel. Neither the slow/building
guitar solo w/ the keyboard solo in that section are the same..so i think
derek did write the solo for that section.. same with the organ solo in the
middle of the song...
>
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Living comes much easier
Once we admit , We're dying.
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 06:47:21 -0500
From: AL <al@isd.net>
To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Labrie's sig.- KM vs. DS - Drugs & DT
Message-ID: <35C84649.2BDABD8D@isd.net>
I just noticed something weird. I have a DT FII hat I bought in
Minneapolis on Nov. 2-97. JP and MP signed this hat on Nov. 18-97
in Madison WI. KJLB and JM signed this hat on May 13-98 in Chicago.
Here's the weird part.... KJLB signed it "Kevin Labrie!" Does any one
else have a sig like that? I just noticed this tonight. I wonder if this had anything
to do with me calling him Kevin, or a slip-up on his part. WTF?
Now if I can just pull Derek away from the chicks long enough to get a sig.
KevMo vs. Derek:
Shut the fuck up! Both KM & DS are great players, period.
My favorite KM song is Scarred. My favorite DS song... hmmm.
I'm a little divided between ACOS & TOT, both are great.
Live, Derek is the shit!
If the members of Dream Theater were a drug... (past and present)
John Myung = Marijuana
John Petrucci = LSD
James Labrie = Morphine
Mike Portnoy = Meth-amphetamine
Derek Sherinian = Cocaine
Kevin Moore = Quaaludes
Charlie Dominici = Nasal Decongestant
The early 70's were good to me... I think. The only problem is...
What the FUCK happened to 1975? I have no evidence this year
ever took place. Wait! (flashback) YES "Relayer" tour.. St. Paul Civic
Center.. Uh, lights and stuff. Alice Cooper "Welcome To My Nightmare"
Tour.. same place. I think there's more. "Hey Mickey!"
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:17:51 -0400 From: "Giannotti, Nick" <GiannottiN@hanscom.af.mil> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Hampton Beach Casino Ballroom show Message-ID: <36E02D8151FFD1118C1C00600808ACE534EF63@HAMSXHA2>
I'll let others discuss the actual show itself, and just go on record as it being the best show I have ever seen the band do (apart from the fact that they were just too damn loud). A hell of a time was had by all.
Nicholas Giannotti Joint STARS Contracting giannottin@hanscom.af.mil "A day without sunshine is like....night."
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:47:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Ayreon@webtv.net (Blind Guardian) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: spocks tour? Message-ID: <2255-35C8628A-322@mailtod-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
"okay, since I have only one spock's beard album, maybe I have no right to say this, but Grand freakin' Rapids, and no DETROIT??????"
I'll one up you here, I don't have any SB albums, but from what is said about these guys, how about hitting Columbus while going beteen Cleveland and Cincinnati? I prefer hearing bands for the first time live, and this would be perfect.
~BC
"The smoke is rising the vision's getting clearer and words become a song in the dreamtime!" ~Ayreon
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:06:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Ayreon@webtv.net (Blind Guardian) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4131 Message-ID: <2254-35C866F4-686@mailtod-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
"One thing that stands out as an example of this is that a week or two ago someone commented about how much Derek's solo in BMS sounded like JP. I really don't see what the point is of using guitar sounds and trying to play keyboard solos to sound as much as possible like guitar solos. Last I checked, guitar solos were JP's job."
I think this gives DT a two guitar sound, and helps to expand their musical potential. I have always wondered what DT would sound like if they would add a second guitarist to the line up, and this gives some indication (I'd love to see Alex Skolnick do a guest piece with DT!). I also use this as a way to show off DT talent to those who are unfortunatly ignorant of how truely great DT is. If the keyboardist can make his instrument sound so convincingly as a guitar, and he's the newest member, just how good are the rest of the group?
~BC
"The smoke is rising the vision's getting clearer and words become a song in the dreamtime!" ~Ayreon
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:39:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Ayreon@webtv.net (Blind Guardian) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Prog stores Message-ID: <2255-35C86E97-474@mailtod-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
Anybody know if there are any stores in Columbus, Ohio that specialize in prog?
"The smoke is rising the vision's getting clearer and words become a song in the dreamtime!" ~Ayreon
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:41:31 -0400 From: "Pat Sullivan" <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT at Hampton Beach Message-ID: <199808051436.KAA13778@bajor.ici.net>
This was my 8th DT show, and without question, it was the best they have ever sounded, by a WIDE margin. It was probably a combination of the venue itself and the boys in DT having had some time off, but it was just incredible. Really good "vibe". My only "complaint" was that they didn't change the setlist much from the last leg of the tour. I had been hoping for some "special song appearances". But that's a pointless quibble after such a killer show.
A couple of other notes/points:
1)Jon Finn was really good too, but from the back, he looked like Cameron from "Ferris Beuller's Day Off". Not exactly what I was expecting, visually. :)
2)Anyone else think that Portnoy bears a striking resemblance to Charlie Benante with his new, super-short 'do?
Of course that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:45:42 GMT From: jogopogo@freemail.nl To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <199808051445.OAA29514@freesrv3.freemail.nl>
Calvin6S:
Oke, if u said u spoke to MP about this, I will believe u for now. But about the 15/8 you were talking about, read my messages better! I was referring to the 13/8 at the end of verse 1, after the 15 bars of 12/8!!
UGH! Jogo da Pogo "Virtue constitutes happiness and selfcontrol is the essential part of virtue.">Cynic
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 10:51:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Ayreon@webtv.net (Blind Guardian) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Need some serious help here! Message-ID: <2256-35C8718E-272@mailtod-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
Hey jammers, I need some serious input here! A friend at work is leaving to return home, and she won't be returning any time soon. I like her *very* much, and would like to give her something that she will remember me by. I'm always giving music as gifts, and this time won't be any acception. I have chosen to give her two cassettes made up of DT's music, but I can't deside what songs to put on them. I'll have 220 minutes to work with, so song length isn't a real problem. I want to give her DT's best, to make the memory of our friendship that much greater. There are a few songs I have in mind (such as ACOS {this song is very close to why she is leaving}, LTL, LITS, TLF, and Metro 1 {my personal fav!}), but this won't be enough. What do you all recommend? Also, I only have until Aug. 20, so I need this in a hurry!
~BC
PS: Mr Portnoy, if you're reading this, your suggestions would be *greatly* valued and well recieved!
"The smoke is rising the vision's getting clearer and words become a song in the dreamtime!" ~Ayreon
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:17:35 -0400 From: "Duane Addy" <ddc@mail.wincom.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: New Sites, Tix etc Message-ID: <002601bdc084$412c99e0$41cb18cf@ciaccess.com.ciaccess.com>
Is there anybody out there?
Just thought I would drop another line to see if anyone is interested in the DT tickets for the August 15th show at the Pine Knob in Detroit.
Unfortunately I can't make this show but I am going to catch them the 19th in Toronto. If anyone is interested I would like some die hard DT fan to take them off my hands. I would just like to be reimbursed for my original cost of $30.00 each. The seats are row NN pavilion, including a parking pass.
If you are interested please email to ddc@ciaccess.com.
Check out these cool sites:
www.eightball-vip.com/evh (A personal friend of mind did the site and is also the new guitarist for the 5150 Tribute band, which can be located as a cool link. This is for True Eddie Van Halen fans.)
www.gravity-pharm.com (a.k.a. 5150 Van Halen tribute band) Very Cool music Dream Theater and Van Halen Mix.
www.ddc-design.com (This was created by the same guy who did the EVH site. He did this for the company that I own.)
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 11:19:12 -0400 From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Prog stores Message-ID: <35C877F0.1C0A30B0@caribe.net>
Blind Guardian wrote:
> Anybody know if there are any stores in Columbus, Ohio that specialize > in prog? > >
I dont know.. i doubt theres a store anywhere in the world that specializes in prog. Anyone knows?
--
-The Next John Petrucci :)
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:14:22 -0400 From: ed_wilk@juno.com (Ed J Wilk) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Derek / Sym. X / a tad bit of *etallica Message-ID: <19980805.112538.3358.0.ed_wilk@juno.com>
>OK, about the derek using guitar sounds for solos thing, so what? I am a
So what? So DT already has the (arguably by some, I guess) most incredible prog metal guitarist of all time in their band. They don't need a keyboard sounding like a guitar. JP can handle that very well by himself.
>overuse. But for a solo, that shouldn't be anissue. that is like yelling >at somebody for using a flute sound. Give me a break. If JP didn't like
No it isn't. Last time I checked, DT didn't have a flute player in the band. I don't care if he's gonna use a "keyboard" sound, or a flute sound, or a strings sound, or whatever.. DT doesn't have a flute or violin player. That's what's cool about keys.. but with JP in the band, there's NO need to use the guitar sound; once in a while could be cool, a la JLMB, but using it much more than that is too much.
>it, then I would be very disappointed. That borders on insecurity. I think >it adds a dual guitars thing that was missing before. Hell, it makes songs >sound more ballsy.y
You want ballsy keys? Listen to The Mirror\Lie, Puppies on Acid, A Crack in the Mirror, Metropolis, 6:00.. hell, pretty much most of the stuff Kevin has done.
Ed
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 08:31:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Labrie's sig.- KM vs. DS - Drugs & DT Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980805082731.2370A-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, AL wrote:
>If the members of Dream Theater were a drug... (past and present) > >John Myung = Marijuana
Peyote... a little more earthy... ^_^ >John Petrucci = LSD
in little stickers placed on the neck of his guitar, going from low-power at the 1st fret for straight scrape on the 24th... when his solos start to speed up and get weird, you know why. He *does* only think he's in 4/4!
>James Labrie = Morphine
Or whatever Sting's taking... ^_^
>Mike Portnoy = Meth-amphetamine
PCP... more powerful, and it makes you impervious to pain.
>Derek Sherinian = Cocaine
Cocaine's not popular enough anymore. Heroine is the drug of the stars!
>Kevin Moore = Quaaludes
Nah, Quaaludes with a NyQuil/Jack Daniels chaser. That's almost it... ^_^
>Charlie Dominici = Nasal Decongestant
Rogaine.
> >The early 70's were good to me... I think. The only problem is... >What the FUCK happened to 1975? I have no evidence this year >ever took place. Wait! (flashback) YES "Relayer" tour.. St. Paul Civic >Center.. Uh, lights and stuff. Alice Cooper "Welcome To My Nightmare" >Tour.. same place. I think there's more. "Hey Mickey!" >
I wish I could have seen Yes in the 70's, but I was less than an embryo at the time...
--Matt (On to HELL!)
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