YTSEJAM Digest 4139
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Derek / Sym. X / a tad bit of *etallica
by Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
2) How's Neil Peart ???
by "Robert O'Doherty" <r.odoherty@mvt.ie>
3) promise keepers -> Re: DTS----I promise!
by "Nowik, George" <NowikG@data-io.com>
4) Re: Hampton Beach Casino Ballroom show
by AEllis1222@aol.com
5) What a load of crap
by Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
6) derin kevikimoore
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
7) re : Derek vs Kevin
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
8) The ultimate shredband?
by Edwin Voras <Edwin.Voras@mci.com>
9) Live ACOS I / II MP3 from 8/4/98
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@Sage-Enterprises.com>
10) Age of Impact
by "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
11) drugs and diseases and prog... oh my!
by "Earle Jason" <earle_jason@bah.com>
12) vernon reid invades nyc
by Thrak75@aol.com
13) Re: Prog stores
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
14) Great Woods Deep Purple
by "Bill Blanchard" <wildbill2112@hotmail.com>
15) Rush Remixes
by "Bill Blanchard" <wildbill2112@hotmail.com>
16) Please fertilize my lawn. :)
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
17) Charlie Dominicci
by MaxArbot@aol.com
18) NDTC: Wheel of Time and Prog
by Andrew Garinger <agaringer@SIWEB.com>
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 11:33:20 -0400
From: Carlos Alfaro <calfaro@caribe.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Derek / Sym. X / a tad bit of *etallica
Message-ID: <35C87B40.2AE6369D@caribe.net>
Ed J Wilk wrote: You want ballsy keys? Listen to The Mirror\Lie,
Puppies on Acid,
> A Crack in the Mirror, Metropolis, 6:00.. hell, pretty much most of the
> stuff Kevin has done.
>
> Ed
Wait a sec..wasnt a crack in the mirror something developed in the awake
tour?? that it was basically the outrro to derek's solo and the intro to the
mirror...??
In the stream of consciousness
There is a river crying
Living comes much easier
Once we admit , We're dying.
Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 16:52:57 +0100
From: "Robert O'Doherty" <r.odoherty@mvt.ie>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: How's Neil Peart ???
Message-ID: <61F3B4EC9D23D11181A0006097AD1D732CA8C9@skylight.mvt.ie>
How is Neil Peart doing? It's over a month since Jackie's death and the
last I heard was that he had completely closed himself off from everyone
around him; is he showing any signs of beginning to deal with his loss?
Rob.
ICQ 809343
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:56:29 -0800
From: "Nowik, George" <NowikG@data-io.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: promise keepers -> Re: DTS----I promise!
Message-ID: <C7EA264064ACD011BE4500805FC1DCA101D9C662@SATURN.nt.data-io.com>
This just in from Richard M.--
> From: "M. Dixon" <appoggiatura@hotmail.com>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: DTC....I promise!
>
> Hey all,
> This is a shameless attempt at starting a thread....so here
> goes...
>
> Anyway, I read ALOT of debate over this KevMo *vs* DerShe thing
> and
> started thinking..... In what ways do you think FII would be different
>
> if KevMo was STILL in DT?? To kinda get the ball rolling, IMO I
> believe
> that the Keys would sound ALOT better AND I don't believe AL would
> have
> been composed.....What do you have to say.
>
woah. that's really heavy duty doc.
AL might have been composed. depends on who was the true influence for
the song in the first place. if it was DerShe (that abbreviation sounds
like some sort of wussy synth-pop 80's fantasy movie character name.
then again, i liked those movies) that came up with the vast majority of
the ideas for the song as far as the music goes, then methinks that it
would have been something that might have been dropped. if i remember
correctly, labrie came up with the lyrics. so at least the whole
concept of the song was there. however, whenever i ponder the
possibilities that i pull the ...wait, that's primus. whenever i think
of what would happen if KevMo (a much cleaner abbreviation, but no
cheesy movie association. damn) wrote the song, i instantly think of
wait for sleep. anna lee is perfect as a 4/4 elton johnesque thing.
FII would have been drastically different with Moore (damn stupid
abbreviations) on the keys. worlds different. i cannot imagine the
intro to new millenium with string pads or sawsynth leads or any of the
other four patches that he used. the ripping samples in lines in the
sand ... rhodes pianos in hells kitchen and peruvian skies ... bloody
hell, son, do you realize what you're suggesting? a complete u-haul
cross-country move of the entire album. the album might have even been
differently named. holy cow. a revolution. let's change the time
line, build a time machine, sleep-induce Moore into staying in the band,
check out the future, find out what happened, and THEN go back and put
it the way it is (the way it used to be?) because gosh golly i like it.
i don't think the keys would sound a lot better. i think they would
sound different. i like what derek does for the group. i LOVE what
derek does for the group. not just in the studio, but on stage as well.
lava lamps and such. so he look like he's glam-rocking his keyboards.
he has feeling and stage presence. now it's not only mike portnoy who
gets all the stage attention. i first saw the video for pull me under
years ago and thought "damn, the only person smiling is the drummer.
the guitarist gets close but that's more of a 'i'm ripping a lead'
mouth-grind than a smile'... the vast majority of the group were very
serious into their music. even live for the images and words tour. so,
derek comes into the picture. audience rapport. jokes on stage. and
the final blow: john myung spoke to me after the concert. i say to you
this: his influence is essential to making the group work. (:
did i like kevin moore? yes. did he rock my socks and blow me away
with his work up to and including awake? oh yeah. do i like derek?
unquestionably. can i wait till the live album and the next studio
album? oh hell no. (:
> Opinions?
> Flames?
>
flames? "no kitty this is my pot pie! *flatulance bomb*"
-= norg =-
"Country music has its charms .... pretty like them fire alarms..."
-- Mike Ford, Moxy Fruvous
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:00:54 EDT
From: AEllis1222@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Hampton Beach Casino Ballroom show
Message-ID: <36c8bf4c.35c881b7@aol.com>
>>>I'll let others discuss the actual show itself, and just go on record as it
being the best show I have ever seen the band do (apart from the fact that
they were just too damn loud). A hell of a time was had by all. >>>
I totally agree with you, that was hands down the best time I've seen them
(that was my 4th) I cant wait until Sat. for the Great Woods show. Everybody
was so "on". The only bummer about the whole thing was that me and my friend
got pictures of us with the band, but the friggin film got caught in the
camera when we tried to unload it!
~~~Art
www.joestump.com
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 11:04:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: Christopher Ptacek <someone@enteract.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: What a load of crap
Message-ID: <199808051604.LAA12914@enteract.com>
Korg, you're a buddy, so don't take this too seriously...
You're the first to get on the "everyone has the right to their
opinion" bus and drive it around telling people to be nice to each other
when using battery operated love devices... so I was shocked when I read
your last post. I know you have an unreasonable hatred for all things
rap, to the extent that you won't even give them a chance (at least,
that's what you said on IRC one night) but I think it's going a bit too
far to say that someone remixing a song is bullshit, by default. I will
agree that what Puff Daddy does to the songs he remixes is not a complex
process, nor do I think it requires a great artistic zeal to achieve. I
still disagree with those of you who say that what he does is wrong...
that's YOUR little ego/pretension thing going on. If someone else,
educated or not, likes it, then it's fine by me, musically.
This Rush thing isn't even the same thing. This ain't that easy.
What did you say when you heard the remix (if you heard it) of the second
track of APSoG? You're a good player... I think one listen and you will
agree that you couldn't have created that if you wanted to right now. I
would appreciate it if you would chill a little bit. I don't like it when
people tell me that I'm wrong for the music I like... I suppose, though,
that it at least proves I have my own tastes and I'm not just sucking the
dicks of those who feel qualified to set their standards for me.
One last thing... some numb-nuts decided to respond to Calvin's
post that LitS is by far the best song (I totally agree, BTW) on the
album, by categorically explaining why it isn't... and some other
butt-plug decided to explain how LTE is infinitely superior to AoI... do
you people recognize that people can have legitimate musical tastes that
don't directly coincide with your own? Cut it the fuck out!
- Chris
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 12:22:21 -0400
From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: derin kevikimoore
Message-ID: <35C886BC.74D72D10@bigfoot.com>
someone mentioned the old acos. I have that, and it never fails to blow
me away. I got the released version when it came out, i've listened to
it a lot, but there was always something about it, almost JAZZY, that I
couldn't really get into. I never understood what the huge deal was,
until I got(thanks kai) a copy of the vocal audition tape, with a much
older version of the song. This version of the song was so powerful it
didn't just kick my ass, it actually ripped my head off and crapped down
my throat. I have no idea how much of the old version kevin was
responsible for or how much of the new version derek is responsible for.
My understanding is that mike wrote the whole thing either way. I
suspect kevin didn't have a whole lot to do with the song, but it
wouldn't surprise me if derek played a big part in the revision. it
definitly has his style.
I would love to find out who is responsible for how much of both
versions, if anyone knows.
.................................................................
Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com Razi on IRC & ICQ
Check out Another Page at http://www.j51.com/~mrasiel. Hot diggity!
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 18:19:38 -0700
From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@fh-niederrhein.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re : Derek vs Kevin
Message-ID: <35C904A9.E80@fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
My favorit song from WDADU is "The Killing Hand". "The One Who ..." is also incredible.
Even with Charlie's voice, this song is superb.
About Derek vs Kevin :
Both are great players. I don't think you can really compare them to each
other because of different style and also the fact that DT are making different
music than Images And Words back 1992.
The problem with Derek is that he always is too low in the mix (FII).
If you listen to the making of FII CD, you can hear Derek all around without
using headphones. Just listen to track 13 (Lines In the Sand) and compare
it with the end mix. Live he kicks ass.
Anyway, Kevin Moore has left DT because he wanted to do something else.
Actualy, I've read that he wanted to do aynthing by him self and making
easier music and less difficult.
His work on APSOG is good but nothing special with the exception of Part 8.
And Chroma Key is not prog metal at all.
I've heard 2-3 Platypus songs and there is song called "PlatOpus" which is awesome.
Derek is god. If he only wouldn't use the same lead sound agian and agian.
NP : Royal Hunt - Moving Target (samples availible at my Prog OR Die page).
Arash
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 08:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Edwin Voras <Edwin.Voras@mci.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The ultimate shredband?
Message-ID: <19980805162533.ELZI11077@[166.33.99.41]>
Two bands come to mind:
1. Mayadome
2. Lemur Voice
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:05:17 -0400
From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@Sage-Enterprises.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Cc: "'bostonjam@dreamt.org'" <bostonjam@dreamt.org>
Subject: Live ACOS I / II MP3 from 8/4/98
Message-ID: <717B37282A06D2119390006008A18E06021951@GLENLEVIT>
Hey everyone,
If you want ACOS Part I / II from last night's show, here is an MP3 from
it:
http://www.dreamt.org/bogie/dt/mp3/ACOS12.mp3
The filename is case-sensitive, so make sure you don't type acos12.mp3
or
something like that because you won't be able to find it.
For you modem users, the file is 5.1 MB in size.
Enjoy,
Bogie
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 10:10:12 PDT
From: "Ernesto Lotitto" <ernestlot@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Age of Impact
Message-ID: <19980805171014.26266.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hi guys!!!
Just a quick question:
Where can I get Age Of Impact? I've checked at Cdnow and they don't seem
to have it...
Mail me privately.
Thanks in advance :)
-E#
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 13:38:09 -0400
From: "Earle Jason" <earle_jason@bah.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: drugs and diseases and prog... oh my!
Message-ID: <35C89881.7B7850AA@bah.com>
> If the members of Dream Theater were a drug... (past and present)
>
>
> Mike Portnoy = Meth-amphetamine
Interesting...Portnoy is the number one choice of white trash junkies!
How 'bout DT as diseases/disorders:
John Myung - Autism. He's in his own little world, with not much
interaction with the rest of us.
John Petrucci - Any ideas on this one?
Mike Portnoy - Gonnorhea. Big, hairy and rocks yer nuts.
James Labrie - Tetanus. Well, wouldn't lockjaw be fitting?
Kevin Moore - Chicken Pox. Only occurs once, when you were a kid.
Dereck Sherrinean - Ideas? Anyone?
Charlie Dominici - Bubonic Plague. Once a major problem many years ago,
now is only heard of in impoverished third world countries. Usually
among Lepers.
honorable mention:
Desmond Child - Yeast infection. A disgusting pussy no one wants to
touch, but I guess ya gotta live with it sometimes...
> The only problem is...
> What the FUCK happened to 1975?
*I* happened in exac-a-tic-ally 1975. And it was a very fine year to be
born...INDEED.(who knows where this modified quote came from?)
da LOOOOOEEEEEEE was here!
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 14:16:25 EDT
From: Thrak75@aol.com
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: vernon reid invades nyc
Message-ID: <33a61ea7.35c8a17b@aol.com>
a very nice pre-dt set of shows to go to.
a) vernon reid in central park, thursday august 6th at 8pm. he's doing a
spoken-word poetry thing with some poet. free!
b) vernon reid, doug wimbish, and will calhoun. friday and saturday, august
7-8, at the bottom line. 2 sets each night, at 8 and 11. 20 bucks a set.
i am going to try my best to get to the central park show, depending on how
long it takes to get out of the conan o'brien show that afternoon. and the
second set of the friday show at the bottom line is sounding real good to me.
anyone else interested?
while on the subject of the jones beach show this weekend, any plans? please
email private if anything's going down.
wild koba
************************************************************************
david y. kobayashi
new york law school
thrak75@aol.com
"i've got a feeling the tide is turning now, baby...." -m. portnoy
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:45:14 -0300 (EST)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Prog stores
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980805154150.707A-100000@iverson.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Carlos Alfaro wrote:
> I dont know.. i doubt theres a store anywhere in the world that
> specializes in prog. Anyone knows?
Yes, I know. Here in Sao Paulo there are some. One of them is
Progressive Records (I think).
Another is a small but good store (which I mentioned yesterday, I
think) here in Sao Paulo at R. Augusta, 1273 -- Box 35. The e-mail address
of the place is: <hbmusic@sti.com.br>. I don't know if he (Helton) accepts
mail orders (it's just a matter of asking him), but he's incredibly nice
and knows a lot about the stuff that he sells.
Again, I'm only talking about it because I'm a satisfied customer.
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 11:45:21 PDT From: "Bill Blanchard" <wildbill2112@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Great Woods Deep Purple Message-ID: <19980805184522.23067.qmail@hotmail.com>
Hey guys, 1st post, just joined. I'm from massachusetts and was curious if anyone was goin to the DP/ELP/DT show at Great Woods on the 8th? Curious if anyone wanted to party in the parking lot or hang together. I got 3 of my friends into DT and they wanted to come w/ me. I got inot DT through the National Midnight Star (Rush mailing list RUSH RULES!!) I'll be wearin my T4E rush shirt since I got no DT shirts =(. Write me!
Wild Bill
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Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 12:03:21 PDT From: "Bill Blanchard" <wildbill2112@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rush Remixes Message-ID: <19980805190323.10974.qmail@hotmail.com>
>. I don't get this >when I think about it. Now, Dream Theater and a >bunch of other die hard Rush-heads put together a tribute album on >a very limited budget to praise a band that inspired them greatly only >to be shit upon (metaphorically speaking, of course), but some >smack-daddy ho-sweatin' "pEEp dIs yO, I's gOnnA >rAkE Up >dAmEgAflOw OffA dIs plAttAh" pimp gets the OK to fuck up one of >their best songs with no remorse? What's The Band's official stance >on this? Was it the band that gave authos or the label? I'd just kind >of like to call
I gotta agree with you on this one Korg. I'm a huge rush fan and I agree that Neil was being an asshole about Working Man, not to mention the Tom Sawyer remixes are a disgrace. I'm not sure if Rush "sold" the rights. The record company probably just has to pay royalties or something. L8r
Wild Bill
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:56:37 -0600 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Please fertilize my lawn. :) Message-ID: <000401bdc0a4$0ad14ba0$50f086cc@korgx3>
>I know you have an unreasonable hatred for all things rap
Ahhhh... How dare you remember that! :) No, I don't like rap, but I don't discourage people from listening to it. My little brother just bought Will Smith's CD the other day and I popped it in and listened to it with him for a bit. It's not bad, I just don't relate to it. The "unreasonable hatred" was facadical bravado on my part. :) I don't like it, but I don't go into a blind rage when I hear it. :D
>would appreciate it if you would chill a little bit. I don't like it when >people tell me that I'm wrong for the music I like... I suppose, though,
Sorry, my bad... I was in a bad mood last night and got carried away (we can all do that once in awhile can't we?) :) Poor Puff was just a scapegoat to vent my frustrations. Next time I'll pick on someone omni-abhorrant like Bill Gates. :)
My whole point was not about my conjured dislike of remixes ("?" I don't hate remixes, well, not all anyway). My whole beef was that Neil got all P.O.'d when he'd heard about Dream Theater, Fates, etc. doing an honest tribute album, but it's alright for this guy (bravo to him if he DOES even like Rush) to go ahead and do his own tribute/remix and the band's OK with that. I just don't get it. They said that they didn't like Working Man because Magna Carta marketed tribute albums (although the players were sincere), but for all I know, Puff doesn't give a shit about Rush and just thought the song had a cool beat and used it, but that's OK. :P
I did listen to the remixes and thought they weren't bad. They just added a new dimension to an old favorite. Nothing wrong with that. It's Rush that I'm bitching about.
"Shake what yo mama gave you... Roxanne, RoxANNE!" --KorgX3 NP: Dave Matthews Band: Under the Table and Dreaming
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:08:35 EDT From: MaxArbot@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Charlie Dominicci Message-ID: <4cbaee8.35c8adb5@aol.com>
Al wrote...
<<Charlie Dominici = Nasal Decongestant>>
Okay, I wanna know something. Is XDTVOC1 really Charlie Dominicci? If it isn't, then that loser needs to stop pretending. If it is, I have some thoughts...
Every time he posts messages to the AOL message board, he always reminisces about his old days with DT. This is great and all, but does this guy not have a life? All I ever hear about is how "great things were" when he was with DT. Every comment is related to his time back then. Even that name: Ex-Dream Theater Vocalist...what's up with that?
I may sound like an ass, but this guy really needs to move on. It's been several years, and he hasn't done anything but talk about his time with Dream Theater. Sorry...I just think that is stupid.
[eriC]
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Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 15:30:13 -0400 From: Andrew Garinger <agaringer@SIWEB.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: NDTC: Wheel of Time and Prog Message-ID: <221F6CABA448D11180EA0060974CEE8F43FE2F@opus.siweb.com>
Interesting tidbit: Progmeisters Robert Berry and Lief Sorbye (sp?) of Magna Carta fame are the chief musicians on the Wheel of Time game project, a 3D shooter w/ a story based on Robert Jordan awesome series. Check it out at www.wheeloftime.com. It's based on the amazing Unreal engine for all of you gamers out there... Wow, what a tie-in of three of my favorite things: prog, WoT, and 3D gaming!
Andrew
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