YTSEJAM Digest 4143
Today's Topics:
1) I will give you a ride, damon.
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
2) Re: You mean shredded cheese!?
by "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com>
3) Dave McKean / bug / Du Hast
by Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu>
4) a brief clarification
by Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu>
5) new millenium
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
6) I got bored and made some anagrams:
by Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
7) Back again
by Geddy Lee <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se>
8) Oh, by the way...
by Geddy Lee <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4141
by "Schnipp" <schnipp@vossnet.com>
10) Re: Derek sounds
by AL <al@isd.net>
11) Carvin basses
by jogopogo@freemail.nl
12) Labrie's sig (again)
by AL <al@isd.net>
13) New Thread
by Barbara B <babs@sgenaa.cc.geneseo.edu>
14) classical music on electric instruments
by "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com>
15) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4142
by "Earle Jason" <earle_jason@bah.com>
16) Shocked
by NGA <nga@software-ag.de>
17) Re: Various thoughts incl Classical electric
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>
18) Neil Peart
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com>
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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 00:53:56 -0400
From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: I will give you a ride, damon.
Message-ID: <35C936E4.76515E7@bigfoot.com>
hear that? that's me clearing the crap out of my car so you, damon, can
sit in it when we go to pnc tomorrow to see a fucking SHOW!
I'll e-mail you.
-- ................................................................ Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com Razi on IRC & ICQ Check out Another Page at http://www.j51.com/~mrasiel. Hot diggity!------------------------------
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 22:06:24 -0600 From: "Vincent G. LuPone" <vgl@syspac.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: You mean shredded cheese!? Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980805220622.006f1dd4@postoffice.syspac.com>
At 01:36 PM 8/5/98 -0700, Deedlit wrote: > Ahhh, only if you want ultra 80's cheese and neoclassical cheese. If you >mean the shreddier side as in their heaviest stuff, i.e. the Awake era, >then you would have to be listening to totally different music, like >*etallica and Megadeth.
Deedlit, you know I respect you, but judging from your post, you've obviously NEVER heard Symphony X. Symphony X is MUCH heavier than Dream Theater. This is not a power metal band. As far as just plain "heavieness" is concerned, Symphony X, IMO, is on par with bands like Slayer, Deliverance, Pantera, and Tourniquet. Just because they're neoclassical doesn't mean they're "cheese" or "light". Thank you.
> Now I'm not saying that you can't like S-X and all those bands, but to me >they a) all sound the same (neoclassical wankery) with even SINGERS who >sound the same (everyone really likes to imitate Geddy Lee, huh), and b) >don't necessarily shred, but just play fast riffs (tho Angra's guitarist is >pretty good).
hahahah!! Russell Allen is a baritone :) He sounds more like Dio or Zak Stevens (Savatage). Once again, you've never heard Symphony X.
> I think it's because I play a classical instrument (oboe) but playing >classical music on electric instruments makes me want to burn things...it >totally irks me. Am I the only person who feels like this??!
So classical should be old, played with old instruments? Why not play classical music with electric or even synthesised instruments? Is it no longer good? Is it no longer technically challenging? I don't agree with you here, but everyone is entitled to their own tastes.
Erica, don't take offense, but please listen to more of something before bashing it, thank you.
Peace and love, and good happiness stuff, ~Vince
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= | http://www.prognosis.com/obscure/ | -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 00:27:39 -0500 From: Scotch <anthem@virginia.edu> To: Dream Thespians <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Dave McKean / bug / Du Hast Message-ID: <l03130301b1eede25dcfa@[152.204.206.142]>
In Jam 4135 (yesterday or 7 jams ago), Joe DeAngelo wrote, referring to Testament's "Low":
>Hey, does anybody know if Dave McKean is the artist who did the (very >cool) cover for this CD?
Indeed he is. McKean also did the cover for "Demonic" (somehow I doubt he's responsible for the stamped-on devil-goat thing), as well as tons of CD covers for tons of other bands from all kinds of genres (mostly metal and industrial, though). He most recently did the covers for the new albums by Stabbing Westward and Fear Factory.
Many of you probably own CDs with covers by McKean. He's probably most famous for doing all the covers for the late great comic "The Sandman," and he recently illustrated Stephen King's "Wizard and Glass." He's one of the coolest artists around right now, and he's got sizable followings among gothic types and graphic-design wonks.
Furthermore, since I happen to run what's basically the most comprehensive Dave McKean website on the net, you should all go take a look, it's right up your collective alleys:
http://watt.seas.virginia.edu/~sdh9b/mckean/
McKean would be the PERFECT choice for designing Dream Theater's album covers. Hint hint to the powers that be.
And also about that email bug thing, I heard somewhere that the bug was something about how the programmers didn't include a size limit on the names of attached files, so the actual *name* of an attached file could be an executable file in and of itself, millions of characters long. Weird shit.
Also if you haven't bought the album "Sennsucht" by Rammstein, you're missing out on one of the best metal albums of the year. Great production, kickass beats. Reminiscent of Broken-era Nine Inch Nails, or Prong's newer stuff. I.e., that burgeoning genre known as Dance Metal.
Plus there is no better language for metal vocals than German.
Dream Theater rules
S.
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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 01:42:11 -0400 From: Deedlit <ebonomi@scott.skidmore.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: a brief clarification Message-ID: <3.0.2.32.19980806014211.0069eef0@scott.skidmore.edu>
I didn't mean to say that the bands I mentioned in my previous post were not technically talented...they are...I will not dispute that. My OPINION is, of the neoclassical prog genre, that I don't like it, but I know you all are writhing flames at the moment I write this, soooo...keep in mind that I only express my opinions, like I said, about classical vs. neoclassical.
Erica
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Erica Bonomi, ebonomi@skidmore.edu Deedlit or Deedo on DTnet and ICQ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://deedlit.animeonline.org/ Check here for the original mp3 of the week! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 02:01:35 -0400 From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: new millenium Message-ID: <35C946BE.BA67081D@bigfoot.com>
derek is responsible for new millenium? killler. that is my favorite song of the album. it is also, in my opinion, the most departed from the older dream theater. was it written later then the others? how much of it is derek? there's a certain funk in that song that I really dig, man.
................................................................. Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com Razi on IRC & ICQ Check out Another Page at http://www.j51.com/~mrasiel. Hot diggity!
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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 02:22:56 -0400 From: Joshua Rasiel <jrasi@bigfoot.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: I got bored and made some anagrams: Message-ID: <35C94BBF.572EC5C@bigfoot.com>
Kids! clip 'n' paste!
Kevin James Labire: Believer Jams Akin Micheal Portnoy: Importance Holy Derek Sherinian: Naked Siren Hire John Myung: Hymn Jug On John Petrucci: Conjure Pitch Dream Theater: Meter Head Art
courtesy of Main Sanitary Nag(Anagram Insanity). a really cool web page I found a link to on d-man's page a while ago. knew I'd find a use for it someday.
................................................................. Joshua Rasiel jrasi@bigfoot.com Razi on IRC & ICQ Check out Another Page at http://www.j51.com/~mrasiel. Hot diggity!
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:27:33 +0100 From: Geddy Lee <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Back again Message-ID: <98Aug6.092320gmt+0100.31362@gate.tranemo.se>
Howdy folks!
Nah, it's not the real Geddy Lee - I just love him and what he does, = enough to make his name my alias. Hope you're not offended with this. = :-)
Been away for some time, dunno what things are up to on the good old = jam.
What's happening with Dream Theater's upcoming EP, "Metropolis II"? Has = it arrived yet? I'm waiting for it.
What songs saved your summers? Here are the songs that saved my almost = outstandingly boring holiday:
* "Dance on a Volcano" - Genesis * "Metropolis" - Dream Theater * "Relentless" - Bjorn Lynne * "Force Ten" - Rush * "The Great Escape" - Marillion
Some scattered thoughts you don't have to care about:
* I was disappointed when I bought Rush's "Test for Echo" last week, but = it seems OK after all. Not more though. * Last night I dreamt that I smashed a cat to tofu - it wouldn't let go = of my hand. * David Beckham doesn't deserve all that. * I hate it when it rains. That's the only thing happening here in the = gray, cold wastelands of Sweden.
Happy August to ya all!
GL
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:37:53 +0100 From: Geddy Lee <nv99701@egymn.tranemo.se> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Oh, by the way... Message-ID: <98Aug6.093336gmt+0100.31362@gate.tranemo.se>
Anyone here who knows how John M gets his funny bass sound, that he has = on the Majesty "InstruMental" demo? (Yes, I got it - and boy, the = quality sucks, but oh it's cool!).
GL
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:36:39 +0200 From: "Schnipp" <schnipp@vossnet.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4141 Message-ID: <01bdc115$5507f220$LocalHost@schnipp>
Calvin6S mentioned a word that was lacking, groove ! I don't mean that pre-FII stuff didn't groove, but (own .02$) my personal fav's right now are LitS and ACoS. I don't want do compare songs or players, because I think it's nuts, the basis for discussion being only subjectivity.(I think both can play almost anything the other does) One thing that hasn't been mentioned I think is that KevMo is the more relaxed, cool guy. On LiT he is fucking cool an d funny. I imagine that's the part the other guys miss most. But on the music I'd like to appreciate anything they have done and will do (which does not imply that I'll love it right away, because they did it) and enjoy how they rock. I hope they get back from infinity...
I think it's time for a change..... Take the Time,Dream Theater since I'll be moving please get used to Schnipp@bigfoot.com and remove the vossnet address from your addressbooks
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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 05:11:39 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Derek sounds Message-ID: <35C9815A.F407C9C3@isd.net>
Pat Sullivan wrote: >sometime and hear the guitar parts that are going on UNDER one >of JP's solos. Obviously an overdub, but how do you recreate that >in a live environment. In this case, Derek is the perfect choice to >"help out". That being the case, why not just let him do it in the >studio in the first place? Right on! Can we end this now? For those of you that can't get over Kevin: Burn your entire CD collection. Go out and buy Chromakey, and die happy. (The previous sentence was a euphemism for "Fuck off, and die!") ;o)
-- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 10:09:23 GMT From: jogopogo@freemail.nl To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: bassicrob@geocities.com Subject: Carvin basses Message-ID: <199808061009.KAA05579@freesrv3.freemail.nl>
To Bassicrob
Hiya fellow bassaholic,
I've checked out a recent bass&guitar buyers guide. The Carvin LB-75 you are talking about is listed for only 699 bucks, I think it is not a good thing to buy a 5-string for less than 1000$. Because for the B-string to sound as good as the rest of the strings, the bass should be made out of fairly good wood and should be constructed with a little attention for the extra string. I don't know much about American-made basses, but I myself own a Bass Collection 5-string fretless. It's a Japanese bass, wich would list for about 1000 to 1200$ in the US, I think. (If It's available overthere) This bass sounds like it costs about 500 to 1000$ more, it even looks expensive, and it playes very nice. It has a wide neck, wich I prefer on a 5 or 6- string.I'm only guessing this, but doesn't the Carvin have a narrow string spacing?
Well, good luck finding a bass, See ya and play 'em low,
Jogo da Pogo
"Virtue constitutes happiness and selfcontrol is the essential part of virtue.">Cynic
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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 05:20:25 -0500 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Labrie's sig (again) Message-ID: <35C98369.86A87AF2@isd.net>
I wrote (a few jams ago): > I just noticed something weird. I have a DT FII hat I bought in >Minneapolis on Nov. 2-97. JP and MP signed this hat on Nov. 18-97 >in Madison WI. KJLB and JM signed this hat on May 13-98 in Chicago. >Here's the weird part.... KJLB signed it "Kevin Labrie!" Does any one >else have a sig like that? I just noticed this tonight. I wonder if this had anything >to do with me calling him Kevin, or a slip-up on his part. WTF? Well??? Does anyone else have a "Kevin Labrie" sig. on something?
-- See ya, AL... The YTSE Progtologist
Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Never raise your hands to your kids. It leaves your groin unprotected. - Red Buttons
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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 08:45:34 -0400 From: Barbara B <babs@sgenaa.cc.geneseo.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: New Thread Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980806084534.00696a6c@sgenaa.cc.geneseo.edu>
Hello everyone, it's BABS. After posting the other day from my long absence from the 'jam I got itching for more. This may have been previously discussed a long time ago, but here goes. I was listening to a classic station the other day and they were playing some Supertramp - I think it was called "Coming Along or School", I really have no idea if that's the title or not? It's the tune that starts off with "I can see you in the morning when you go to school..." Anyways, while listening to it I was reminded of Marillion - the early days with Fish. So I was wondering if there was ever any relation between the bands. Like either Supertramp being influenced by Marillion or vice versa. I'm not good with the history - seems to me that Supertramp was around long before Marillion. Does anybody out there have any feedback to give - or is it just a fluke?
Thanks, BABS
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:55:02 +0100 From: "Agar, Jonathan (CAP, EURO)" <Jonathan.Agar@gecapital.com> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: classical music on electric instruments Message-ID: <83E9BD6E053FD111B35A0000F6093E27BE587E@LON01XBCAPGE>
Erica uncharacteristically ranted:
Now I'm not saying that you can't like S-X and all those bands, but to me they a) all sound the same (neoclassical wankery) with even SINGERS who sound the same (everyone really likes to imitate Geddy Lee, huh), and b) don't necessarily shred, but just play fast riffs (tho Angra's guitarist is pretty good). I think it's because I play a classical instrument (oboe) but playing classical music on electric instruments makes me want to burn things...it totally irks me. Am I the only person who feels like this??!
Ooooh. Well, I must love guitar wankery lots. And unless the singer sounds like Dio or Labrie, I don't even care about vocals much. I got all the Tony Macalpine and Vinnie Moore albums, I'm acquiring the George Bellas and Joe Stump stuff gradually, and I can tell the difference between them.
I get what you're saying about PURE classical music. When Vinnie Moore plays 'Air on a G string' on electric guitar, you just think...no, not good. Ditto Ritchie Blackmore on Rainbow's Difficult to Cure with Beethoven's Ninth. But neoclassical shred as a whole...gimme gimme gimme.
I don't study oboe like Erica, but I did a few years of cello, and I often preferred the studies I had to learn to the full-blown pieces. I liked the chord progressions, counterpoint, harmonics and such. The first music I got into was DP/Rainbow (Ritchie Blackmore was considered to be classically inspired, though it's a stretch). So when Yngwie hit the scene, followed by all the rest, I'd found my musical home.
MORE WANKING!! You know it makes sense. It's making it with someone you'll respect in the morning.
Jonathan
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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 08:51:32 -0400 From: "Earle Jason" <earle_jason@bah.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4142 Message-ID: <35C9A6D4.A9E78017@bah.com>
> Apparently it's the lyrics that > have been > written by the antichrist himself. Here's an example: > > "...is there fantasy in refuge, God in politicians, > should I turn on my religion, these demons in my head tell me to..."
It's funny...I always interperated this line as JP turning on the TV, which has taken the place of a religion. Tells you what to think, who to respect, who to loathe, and almost every other controlling factor. As to "These demons in my head...", I suspected that was in reference to the more dramatic televangelists you see on TV.
It always seems like JP has strong views on Christianity, but hates the Church. "Love, just don't stare...reveal the word when you're supposed to..." This seems like he's being told "Love your God, but don't think about it very deeply. You're not supposed to. Questions deny faith. If you needed answers, Hell, God'll give 'em to you when He wants to."
Anyone else see this in JP's lyrics? Or am I just seeing things?
And there weren't even any references to DT members being diseases. Sigh....
- Da LooOOOOOeeEEEE made another appearance.
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 15:26:03 +0100 From: NGA <nga@software-ag.de> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Shocked Message-ID: <01BDC14E.86483190@pcnga.software-ag.de>
Hi all
yesterday saw my weekly visit to my CD dealer to listen to some new stuff and put back a couple of cold beers. Morby (for such is his name) indicated that I should put the headphones on for a 'blind test', i.e. I didn't know what he would put in the CD player. I didn't have a clue who I was listening to and I simply couldn't work it out - it was one of the least inspiring and dull albums I'd heard for a long time. When he gave me the case (after about 15 minutes) you could have knocked me down with a feather - Chroma Key. To call this album disappointing would be flattering, so be warned if you are thinking of buying this. This is one to buy if you simply must have everything that is connected with Dream Theater and Fates Warning in your collection, otherwise go spend your hard-earned cash (or whatever the student equivalent may be) on something else.
Shred albums - "Destroy Erase Improve" by Meshuggah (also known to leave speakers in shreds).
How long before 'Hollywood" Hulk Hogan tears off a Dream Theater shirt?
stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: EverEve - Stormbirds "Flying lizards, you're a moron. God was fucking with you" - Bill Hicks
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 09:40:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Various thoughts incl Classical electric Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.980806092816.13615A-100000@gs.bass.org>
As a new member to the list, I've found it extremely entertaining (despite the argument about DS/KM. Face it, no one will win that argument. In response to Deedlit's annoyance with "classical" on electric instruments, do Jethro Tull and/or Tempest annoy you? About "shred" bands, I would recommend Strapping Young Lad, another Devin Townsend band that is *very* heavy and not for the faint of heart. Their best work is "City" however the live album is decent as well. One last comment about DS: I don't know what you mean by "jazzy" as he is most definitely not from the Chick Corea/Keith Jarrett/Bill Evans/Gil Evans jazz keyboard corps. I don't know what kind of jazz you listen to, but DS ain't it. Take care all, from a real musician.
NP: Bela Fleck--Left of Cool
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul's thought for the Month:
Hey Hey, My My, Rock-n-roll will never Die!
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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 10:17:46 -0400 From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Neil Peart Message-ID: <35C9BB0A.8B67E842@bdm.com>
> Rob, it will take longer than a month for Neil to be anywhere near > normal > again. It takes two years to get over a loss like a child or spouse. > Neil > has barely come to grips with his daughter's death, (speculation > here), > and nowhas to deal with the loss of his wife, the feelings of being > totally alone, and his own mortality. Neil will be KO-ed for a while.
How does anyone know how he is feeling? Everyone handles bad events in their lives differently. No one can even come close to knowing how he really feels.
NP:Night Ranger-Live In Japan -- |-------------------------------------------------------------------| | Pat Daugherty Email : pdaugher@mcl.bdm.com | | Web : http://www.abs.net/~patnbeck/pat/pat.html | |===================================================================| | "That is not an option, Mr. Mulder" -- X-Files | |-------------------------------------------------------------------|
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