YTSEJAM Digest 4147
Today's Topics:
1) Re: the evil twins bid for world domination!!!!
by Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il>
2) Re: Where to start w/ Crimson?
by Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org>
3) Re: Dave McKean / bug / Du Hast
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
4) Re: I'm sick of this
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
5) Re: Back again
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
6) Re: Derek/Hampton Beach show
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
7) Re: Derek/Hampton Beach show, etc.
by fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender)
8)
by subtlerage <subtlerage@subtlerage.com>
9) Mike Portnoy's baby
by "Jon Kretschmer" <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
10) attention defecit
by Scott Andrews <sha3u@unix.mail.virginia.edu>
11) Re: KC
by Nathan Rood <horizen@bellatlantic.net>
12) Bass Tabs on UACM
by YtseJamJMB@aol.com
13) Carvin basses
by "BassicRob" <bassicrob@new-york.crosswinds.net>
14) various comments related to: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4146
by Nathan Rood <horizen@bellatlantic.net>
15) Re: Why The World Will End When/If James Writes Metropolis Part II (fwd)
by mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com
16) Re: Where to start w/ Crimson?
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
17) Re: Where to start w/ Crimson?
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br>
18) Re: Tesla
by James Thorpe <mail@jamesthorpe.com>
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Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 02:45:46 +0300
From: Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: the evil twins bid for world domination!!!!
Message-ID: <35CA402A.F219C59C@netvision.net.il>
> GI joe...transformers.. thundercats... Silverhawks(?)... Robotech...
> The Belgarion, Dragonlance... forgotten realms... ack!!!
>
Thundercats! I thought I was the only one who remembered those! cool!
By the way: I happened to listen to the Transformers opening song (a
friend of mine has it for the Windoze startup wave) and it's kinda prog
I must say. That is, the first measure is 7/4 and after that the song
just changed sigs every now and then. Cool. Never noticed it 10 years
ago when it was broadcasted...
I downloaded a Spock's Beard song (The Doorway) and have been listening
to it repeatedly 5 times now. I think I will have to get this CD with my
mega-order at Laser's Edge (some cash coming in at last!)
Cheers,
-- ----------------------------------------------------------------- | Shai Yallin <yallin@netvision.net.il> aka Kurush | | ICQ #16353527 | | http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3247 | | | | Keyboard player | computer programmer | high-school attendee | -----------------------------------------------------------------In an infinite Universe, there's no such thing as "there's no such thing".
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:26:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Syrinx <syrinx@dreamt.org> To: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> Subject: Re: Where to start w/ Crimson? Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980806202358.27246A-100000@tempest.ocis.temple.edu>
> > Just recently got Thrakattack and B.L.U.E., love both. I also got > > In the Wake of Poseidon and didn't like it much at all. Can anyone tell > > me where the lineup and style changes take place w/ the band, esp. when > > Bruford joins? I'm thinkin since I didn't like Poseidon, I wouldn't like > > much of the other earlier stuff either. Any help would be appreciated. > > I think (but I'm not sure) that Bruford joins for their second > album, that is, he is not in "In the Court of the Crimson King". I know > that he is on "Red" (really fucking heavy music -- approach this with > caution if you're being introduced to progressive rock by softer bands). I > don't know if he's on "Discipline"
The first album that Bruford supplies the drums for King Crimson is "Larks' Tongues In Aspic" - which came out in 1972. He's been the drummer ever since.
Have agander at my site if you want a nice discography of KC.
http://www.erotomania.org/kingcrimson.htm
- m.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= syrinx@dreamt.org / syrinx@mindspring.com erotomania! - http://www.erotomania.org =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 02:45:19 +0200 From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Dave McKean / bug / Du Hast Message-ID: <v01510102b1efe058e6fa@[194.7.226.193]>
On last night's episode of the Ytsejam: Scotch, while eating a bratwurst, wrote:
>Plus there is no better language for metal vocals than German. > > >Dream Theater rules
Maybe KJLB should start singing in German? Just an idea...
FiveNgroK
Outside the soundness of your mind Bathing your soul in silver tears Beneath a blackened summer sky Praying for time to dissapear (Dream Theater - Under A Glass Moon)
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 02:45:25 +0200 From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: I'm sick of this Message-ID: <v01510105b1efef697102@[194.7.226.193]>
Previously, on the Ytsejam:
>>You're all right, forget what I said. I'm not posting ever again, so don't >>worry. >> > >Don't do that. There are some of us here who still respect the sanity >that comes with not being so anal as to participate in a flame war over an >opinion. > >It would suck if you took your ball and went home. ^_^
I'll second that!
Come on, guys, if we all had the exact same opinion on this list, then what would be the point of it? Respect (thank you, Aretha) eachother's opinion, while still defending your own, but don't go calling people stupid just because your opinion doesn't match yours. Please. Thank you.
FiveNgroK
CP: Madame Butterfly - Arias
Outside the soundness of your mind Bathing your soul in silver tears Beneath a blackened summer sky Praying for time to dissapear (Dream Theater - Under A Glass Moon)
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 02:45:21 +0200 From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Back again Message-ID: <v01510103b1efe1892e73@[194.7.226.193]>
On last night's episode of the Ytsejam, Geddy Lee wrote:
>* "Dance on a Volcano" - Genesis >* "Metropolis" - Dream Theater >* "Relentless" - Bjorn Lynne
Uh, excuse me? But do you mean Bjorn Lynne who used to make Amiga-tunes? I used to love his stuff, still do, well, some of it.
FiveNgroK
Outside the soundness of your mind Bathing your soul in silver tears Beneath a blackened summer sky Praying for time to dissapear (Dream Theater - Under A Glass Moon)
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 02:45:23 +0200 From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Derek/Hampton Beach show Message-ID: <v01510104b1efe7c2a4e8@[194.7.226.193]>
On last night's episode of the Ytsejam, Vince French wrote:
>Hey jammers, <following epistle and semi interview with DS deleted>
Uhm, this IS a joke, right?
FiveNgroK
Outside the soundness of your mind Bathing your soul in silver tears Beneath a blackened summer sky Praying for time to dissapear (Dream Theater - Under A Glass Moon)
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 02:45:27 +0200 From: fivengrok@village.uunet.be (Tony De Laender) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Derek/Hampton Beach show, etc. Message-ID: <v01510107b1eff907b37d@[194.7.226.193]>
On last night's episode of the Ytsejam, trev.monster wrote:
>How about snippin' it into ONE post? Get a grip, man...!
Hey man, I'm in ack/bounce mode, I don't do digests.
>And, let the KM vs. DS thread rest already. KM has the classically-trained, >Euro influence and DS, the All-American Berklee-jazz-injected organic/roots >approach... piano/organ/Rhodes/Mellotron and the >monophonic-TriAxis-overdriven-bitch-slap solo patch from fuckin' HELL!! Two >very talented people w/ their own style!!
Oh no, I've created a monster!
>Sorry...I tried to keep quiet!
Maybe you should have, and maybe you, and some others, should have read my original post more carefully. I'm not the one who started this whole Kevin/Derek-is-a-better-player shit.All I said was that I liked KevMo's style better and that I THOUGHT his technique was more advanced.
..quoting myself... "Yes, he does, though personally I think KevMo's technique is more advanced. But hey, he left, and DS does do a pretty damn good job replacing him." ..end of quote...
You see? I even agreed with the guy who said that DS adds to the sound of the band. I try to keep an open mind to other people's opinions, don't always succeed, but hey, nobody's perfect, right? Hey, after I posted this, some of the people on this list explained to me that both players have a different approach to playing, which is fine with me, I just never looked at it that way before and I learned something from it. So don't go flaming me for something I didn't say, ok?
FiveNgroK
CP: Madame Butterfly - Arias
Outside the soundness of your mind Bathing your soul in silver tears Beneath a blackened summer sky Praying for time to dissapear (Dream Theater - Under A Glass Moon)
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 19:37:58 -0500 (CDT) From: subtlerage <subtlerage@subtlerage.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980806193615.9810A-100000@mozart.hostway.net>
<A HREF="http://www.go-fuck-yourself.com">TURN OFF THE FUCKING HTML</A>
heh. sorry. :)
</rant>
_______________________________________________________________________ Andrew Miller - subtlerage@subtlerage.com - http://www.subtlerage.com subtlerage - keyboard oriented progressive new age ambient rock Silent Pendulum Music - PO Box 2194 - Iowa City, IA 52244 "The alien lab mutt crapped on our universe." - Anonymous
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 17:45:49 -0700 From: "Jon Kretschmer" <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Mike Portnoy's baby Message-ID: <199808070048.RAA27306@smtp.ucsd.edu>
> 4) MP on the baby > by Portnoy420@aol.com
> Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:13:38 EDT > From: Portnoy420@aol.com > Subject: MP on the baby
Damn...I thought for sure this post was going to be about Melody... :) How is the little tyke doing anyway Mike? Got her on the set often?
Also, thanks for the laugh of the week, Mark B. Everyone needs to go to this link:
http://concertposter.com/d/dcmp0086ak.htm
Thank GOD tomorrow is Friday.
Jon
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 21:51:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Scott Andrews <sha3u@unix.mail.virginia.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: attention defecit Message-ID: <199808070151.VAA46854@node3.unix.Virginia.EDU>
thanks for the tape of this. i have only listen to part of it, but it's certainly out there.
-- scott andrews biophysics research sha3u@virginia.edu chemistry department ****************************************************************** --- http://www.people.virginia.edu/~sha3u --- info & CD reviews | Ibanez | soundclips of of major & underground | 7 string | my prog-thrash progressive/thrash metal | guitar info | metal band ATAXIA ****************************************************************** "metal isn't dead, it just smells funny." -Zappa paraphrase
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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 22:24:22 -0400 From: Nathan Rood <horizen@bellatlantic.net> To: Screaming in Ytse <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: KC Message-ID: <35CA6554.2DAFC559@bellatlantic.net>
ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> Just recently got Thrakattack and B.L.U.E., love both. I also got > In the Wake of Poseidon and didn't like it much at all. Can anyone tell > me where the lineup and style changes take place w/ the band, esp. when > Bruford joins? I'm thinkin since I didn't like Poseidon, I wouldn't like > much of the other earlier stuff either. Any help would be appreciated.
Well I just got _B'boom-Official Bootleg_ and it rocks nads! It seems that you already like the double trio era KC, being that you gave the thumbs up to Thrackattack. BTW.......B'boom's dirt cheap on CdNow right now, like $16 for a 2CD. The album's very jazz based jamming, although I've heard much better work from Bill Bruford on other albums. I think anyone who slaggs LTE for Levin "not having any creative input" should give this record a good listen and then eat their words. Honestly, I don't like the older stuff that much either, its cool but its so terribly odd with Fripp playing those dissonant tones. The double trio material seems much more refined, ie the right amount of weird noises mixed with fluid jazz playing. And about Bruford, get some of the old Yes records! I know he a bunch of side projects on Fripp's DGM label where the drumming is featured, unlike the current double trio KC where he seems to get buried with so much sound being produced.
-Nate -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nathan Rood / handle: Horizen new! email address: \ ICQ: 6170743 mailto:horizen@bellatlantic.net / ===================================================================== "There are two ways to get through life easily; to believe everything, or to believe nothing. Both release the mind from thinking." Earl Hindman ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:45:45 EDT From: YtseJamJMB@aol.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Bass Tabs on UACM Message-ID: <b44d8f72.35ca6a5a@aol.com>
What is the deal with this Edward Luis guy? Does he even know how to play bass? His bass tabs are so off, it's disgusting!!! In Voices he only got two or three parts correct and that's because he copied someone else and he got another part from the Guitar Tab book for Awake. At least tell the people you know you did this part wrong or just don't tab it.
Later, Justin
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 22:44:51 -0400 From: "BassicRob" <bassicrob@new-york.crosswinds.net> To: "ytsejam" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Carvin basses Message-ID: <01bdc1ad$5a558920$LocalHost@rob>
Hey Jammers- The reason Carvin's are cheap is because they are factory direct. The list price is like $1400 which would be the same money as the 4-string Spector I want (NS4CR). I would really like to get a 5-string though so I looked at Carvin. I have heard several people say don't go for basses under $1000 and I have heard why. I plan on getting tung-oil maple neck with mohogany sides. Still debating on frettless or not though. Right now, it fits the price range and seems decent. My second choice is an Ibanez SR-885, but thats probably junk compared to this. However, I'm open to suggestions (no Yamaha though. I know JM plays them but I hate Yamaha) Well, I'll let you know my decision later.
3 MORE DAYS 'TILL DT at JONES BEACH!!!!
-Rob, bassicrob@geocities.com ICQ# 15762800 bassicrob@new-york.crosswinds.net DT MP3 Archive, Artwork, LTE Desktop theme, bass solos, and me http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Mezzanine/1566
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Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 22:55:50 -0400 From: Nathan Rood <horizen@bellatlantic.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: various comments related to: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4146 Message-ID: <35CA6CB5.CE3BB156@bellatlantic.net>
ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> And, let the KM vs. DS thread rest already.
--snip, snip--
> And to address the whole Derek/Kevin debate...in the infamous words > of Hank Hill, "SHUT THE HELL UP!". He's here, the band likes him, end of > story. If you think he sucks, get up there and do a better job yourself.
<sarcasm/on> I know this is suck a bad thread, talking about Dream Theater members on a Dream Theater mailing list, who'd ever have imagined such a thing!? <sarcasm/off>
> P.S.: If I'm not mistaken, their site is www.discipline.co.uk, but I'm not > really confident this address even exists...
The best KC site I've seen is: http://www.elephant-talk.com/ . I believe that's the home of the KC mailing list, and I've heard that Fripp posts occasionally.
-Nate -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nathan Rood / handle: Horizen new! email address: \ ICQ: 6170743 mailto:horizen@bellatlantic.net / ===================================================================== "There are two ways to get through life easily; to believe everything, or to believe nothing. Both release the mind from thinking." Earl Hindman ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:37:37 -0500 (CDT) From: mpm_2112@ix.netcom.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Why The World Will End When/If James Writes Metropolis Part II (fwd) Message-ID: <19988703658641@ix.netcom.com>
ok, two things:
1) Mad Dog as way way WAYYYYY too much free time on his hands.
2) It was quite an entertaining read. Mike, show this one to John. I think he'll have a good laugh, like I did.
Matt
+-----------------------------------+ | "A daily dose of eMpTyV | | will flush your mind | | right down the drain." | | | | - Mike Portnoy | +-----------------------------------+
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 02:11:23 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Where to start w/ Crimson? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980807020855.10173D-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, Syrinx wrote:
> > I think (but I'm not sure) that Bruford joins for their second > > album, that is, he is not in "In the Court of the Crimson King". I know > > that he is on "Red" (really fucking heavy music -- approach this with > > caution if you're being introduced to progressive rock by softer bands). I > > don't know if he's on "Discipline" > > The first album that Bruford supplies the drums for King Crimson > is "Larks' Tongues In Aspic" - which came out in 1972. He's been the > drummer ever since.
Well, I'm glad that I wasn't wrong with LTiA (KC's 2nd album), but I didn't know that he's been the drummer ever since. When exactly did he play live with Genesis?? After he left Yes and before he entered KC??
> Have agander at my site if you want a nice discography of KC. > http://www.erotomania.org/kingcrimson.htm
Thank you for the hint, Mike. :-)
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 02:17:41 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@linux.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Where to start w/ Crimson? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980807021144.10173E-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Thu, 6 Aug 1998, Matt Johnston wrote:
[King Crimson's "Red"] > Red... hehehe. Was it you who said, "I can listen to Pantera, but this > Red was too hard for me"? I can't remember if it was you or not. No
Well, I actually was shocked after I listened to "Red". Perhaps I haven't recovered from that shock yet, but that doesn't change the fact that the album is incredibly heavy.
> matter, it was posted to the jam. I chuckled, but I can see it. Fripp > sexually abused his guitar on that album... it's > nasty-wicky-ultra-multi-pass cool, though.
I wasn't saying that it wasn't cool. Just that it was hard.
BTW, these new "I-want-to-be-the-heaviest-band" bands (Pantera, Korn, Machine Head included) should get a clue and listen to some nasty things played before they were even born (ok, I'm stretching things a little here). Scaring.
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:54:28 -0700 From: James Thorpe <mail@jamesthorpe.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Tesla Message-ID: <00df01bdc1d0$3d3ce040$57a4d6d0@multimedia>
Hey everyone!
> > Are there any Tesla fans out there? I was just wondering if >anyone knew if any members have surfaced in any new bands. Since the >break up I have lost track of what they are doing. >
I know that Frank Hannon (guitarist of Tesla) has his own band Moon Dog Mane. I know their drummer Courtney. She's the best lady drummer I know and have seen! She's a double bass monster. :) Excellent drummer. The band isn't prog but she rips! I remember seeing a pic of the band in the latest Metal Edge magazine when they played in So. Cal. They are based in Sac
peace, --james-- www.jamesthorpe.com mail@jamesthorpe.com
"Hang on to the fever that burns inside of you. Don't look for lost treasure. You won't find it here."
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