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Today's Topics:

  1) CDR's
by "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
  2) For Sale/Trade List
by "Jason T. Breitweg" <Jason.Breitweg@desy.de>
  3) Re: Blind Guardian: Nightfall in Middle Earth
by "Jason T. Breitweg" <Jason.Breitweg@desy.de>
  4) Re: Blind Guardian
by "Jason T. Breitweg" <Jason.Breitweg@desy.de>
  5) Burner bummers
by AL <al@isd.net>
  6) Dear Korgy
by AL <al@isd.net>
  7) Top 5s and subjectivity
by "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk>
  8) Re: The Mighty Mighty Bruce'n'Adrian Show
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
  9) The Mighty Mighty Bruce'n'Adrian Show
by Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk>
10) Re: YTSEJAM digest 4467
by D2112T@aol.com
11) What about burning CD's?
by Bandit@siscor.bibnal.edu.ar
12) Odds and sods
by "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
13) MM&W
by Chris Groves <cdgroves@postoffice.utas.edu.au>
14) Graham Borland
by "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de>
15) Guitarists
by CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk>
16)
by Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org>

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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 19:33:45 +1100
From: "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
To: <ytsejam@axnet.net>
Subject: CDR's
Message-ID: <006201be1d05$5a94dd60$506716cb@graham>

I dunno really, I am no expert in the matter, never had any problems
with brand name CDR's like Mitsui, Kodak, Ricoh and Verbatim's.
I have heard that Maxell CDR's cannot be played on some machines.

I have had problems with people sending me 'no name' CDR's in trades
not being able to play them on some CD players though.

My advice, stick to well know brand CDR's.

GaZ

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Date: 28 Nov 1998 09:36:11 +0100
From: "Jason T. Breitweg" <Jason.Breitweg@desy.de>
To: ytsejam@axnet.net, blind-guardian@onelist.com
Subject: For Sale/Trade List
Message-ID: <ubr9uociys.fsf@breitweg-rem.desy.de>

Here is some good stuff for sale/trade:

http://www-zeus.desy.de/~breitweg/music/sellme.txt

Jason

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Date: 26 Nov 1998 12:32:33 +0100 From: "Jason T. Breitweg" <Jason.Breitweg@desy.de> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Blind Guardian: Nightfall in Middle Earth Message-ID: <ubbtluhepa.fsf@breitweg-rem.desy.de>

Hi again,

Jeremy> The album (like most other great albums nowadays) is Jeremy> unavailable at the moment in the US. It is available in Jeremy> Europe and Japan, and is soon to be available in the US Jeremy> under Century Media (or so I hear). Jason Breitweg is the Jeremy> resident BG expert on the Jam, and if he hasn't replied Jeremy> already, I'll shut up now and let him add his two cents. Jeremy> But IMHO, go get this album NOW!

The guys at Century Media US tell me that _Nightfall in Middle-Earth_ will be available on February 9, 1999 in the US and then on May 11, 1999 _Imaginations from the Other Side_ and _Somewhere Far Beyond_ will be released. Check them out and please tell Century Media that you appreciate what they are doing for BG. I am hoping that sometime BG will be able to tour the US (hopefully with ICED EARTH). And again please check out www.blind-guardian.com. Thanks for your support *chuckle*.

Jason

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Date: 26 Nov 1998 12:28:45 +0100 From: "Jason T. Breitweg" <Jason.Breitweg@desy.de> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: Blind Guardian Message-ID: <ubemqqhevm.fsf@breitweg-rem.desy.de>

Hi everyone,

So it seems that I am a little lax in my duty to promote BLIND GUARDIAN. Anyway I appreciate people mentioning my name when they talk about BG. Seems I have made some kind of impression here. Even if it is "damn not that Jason guy talking about BG again *laugh*".

>> Last jam someone mentioned a few Blind Guardian songs, The Lord >> of the Rings, The Eldar, and Noldor. Now, I know pretty much >> nothing about BG (aside from what's occasionally been mentioned >> in the jam), so sorry if I sound stupid here, but, at least by >> the titles, these songs are obviously taken from Tolkien's Lord >> of the Rings series. This really intrigues me, so I am >> interested in checking this out. Is the band worth looking >> into, or would it really be a waste of my time?

Phil> On the off chance I can get a remark in here before Jason Phil> Breitweg jumps in -- it depends on your tastes. :) Myself, I Phil> think Blind Guardian is worth checking out regardless, but Phil> then they have a lot of things I like: a good vocalist (an Phil> interestingly gravelly tone but without cookie-monster Phil> grating), balls-to-the-wall pure metal playing, two very Phil> good guitarists, and a superb drummer. Plus cool atmosperic Phil> keys thrown in here and there and lots of harmony group Phil> vocals to contrast Hansi's gravelly voice.

Yeah I think that this sums it up very well. Hansi is by no means a prog-metal single. Ok and he might even have a little German accent. But I think that it all adds up to make his voice sound cool. Andre Olbrich is the main guitarist (writing most of the music and playing just about all of the solos) and Magnus Siepen handles the live rhythym (I am sure I spelled that wrong) stuff. Oh and the god behind the drums in Thomen Stauch. But I warn people coming from the prog end of things. These guys aren't prog, they are metal! I actually prefer to call them "elf-metal" myself.

If anyone would like to hear some sound samples you can get some full songs and some samples from www.blind-guardian.com the official BG page that I do along with my Portuguese friend Pedro Andrade. When I get the time over X-mas vacation I will try and get mp3 samples from all the CDs up. But the stuff that is there is from the newest _Nightfall in Middle-Earth_ and the first BG CD _Batallions of Fear_. Check them out. Also there are some live and studio video clips up in Real Video format.

Phil> BG does have lots of Tolkien references in earlier discs Phil> (enough for somebody, I don't recall who, to call them Phil> Elf-Metal), but the latest offering "Nightfall in Phil> Middle-Earth" is a concept album based on Tolkien's story Phil> "The Silmarillion". So yes, there are very definite Tolkien Phil> references. :)

Andre and Hansi are total Tolkien freaks (in the nicest sense of the word *laugh*). Rumor has it that maybe they will do a "classical" CD with Tolkien references. Like some deep voiced guys being the orcs and light lilting elf voices. Sounds cool huh? Lets hope that it happens.

BG also has some songs based on the following things.. various Stephen King books, Elric, King Arthur, and Blade Runner. So their whole CD catalog is well worth getting to get the full range of their abilities. Again check www.blind-guardian.com for info on all this stuff.

>> Oh, and Dragonlance does kick ass.

Phil> Yes, it does. Now I'd like to see a concept album based on Phil> the Dragonlance chronicles. That would kick. The closest Phil> I've seen is Rhapsody's "Legendary Tales" which uses the Phil> font the Dragonlance books do on their covers. :)

Oh! That is where I had seen that font before! Thanks for jogging my memory.

Now for a last stupid question. Since I have lived in Germany for so long I have forgotten some English words. What do people in New England call those things on the street where cars drive in a circle until they reach the proper streets. All the Americans over here call them either "Traffic Circles" or "Roundabouts". But I swear that up in Maine we used to call them something different. Can anyone help?

Ok thanks for letting me spout about BLIND GUARDIAN. It is after all one of my favorite subjects...long live Elf-Metal!!

Jason

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Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 04:24:37 -0600 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Burner bummers Message-ID: <3663C3E4.4841612D@isd.net>

Vincent LuPone wrote: >Or get that new CD Burner from Phillips, hook up your regular CD player >directly to it, and never lose sound quality.

Not quite, Vincent. You used the term "regular" when describing the playback deck. To me, this means you will be using the analog RCA outputs from the playback deck. Unless you have spent cubic bucks on the playback deck you've already degraded the recording significantly just in the analog conversion process. (most consumer grade CD players are about a linear as KevMo's festering testicles) Now you're going to attempt to re-digitize that already degraded signal by another analog to digital conversion using a consumer grade A-to-D converter. Assuming the source CD was a good recording, once you've put it through the monkey-motion described above, there is no way you're NOT going to degrade the recording. Even with the best source and recording devices (Cubic $$$s) using digital outputs to digital inputs, selecting a dubious interconnect can alone cause audible differences from the source CD. So either you have a tin ear, or your playback gear sucks. Sorry :(

I've spent countless hours comparing CD players over the years using very high quality gear surrounding them, believe me when I tell you THEY ARE NOT CREATED EQUAL. I bought a California Audio Labs "Tercet" ($1,600.00) four years ago, it was the best I could afford at the time. Today I'm tired of the Tercet and I'm saving to buy a Wadia. The Tercet will replace a Technics player in our living room system. I fucking HATE the sound of the Technics player, it was a waste of $339.00. I should have spent another $300.00 and bought a Rotel. The warden was the deciding factor on the Technics player, she said "It sounds fine to me" and the rest is history. I have dragged the CAL upstairs for a little A-B comparison, even my tin eared counterpart said there was a drastic improvement over the Technics. Don't get me wrong, the Technics player is a fine product in it's price range, and far more reliable that most equipment in that price range, I just don't like the sound of ALL of them.

Moral of the story: ANY low-end player causes degradation by nature. If you want the best sound quality, stick to factory recordings. In the world of the commercial record companies, that's no guarantee either.

-- AL... The Ytse-Progtologist

Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "It's supposed to pack an awesome buzz" --Beavis

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Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 04:34:21 -0600 From: AL <al@isd.net> To: retaehT maerD <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Dear Korgy Message-ID: <3663C62D.C43D056B@isd.net>

Dear Korgy,

If it takes a hen and a half, a day in a half, to lay an egg and a half. How long would it take a monkey with a wooden leg to pick all the seeds out of a dill pickle?

-- AL... The Ytse-Progtologist

Switchcraft Communications & Microsystems ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are wonderful." -- Ann Landers

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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:48:26 GMT From: "Simon John Dodd" <S.J.Dodd1@student.derby.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Top 5s and subjectivity Message-ID: <1CABD9F364D@sdk1.derby.ac.uk>

Hi there, chick peas, I'd just like to say: I KNOW it's subjective. That's why I said it was MY PERSONAL top 5. The implication was, "Hey guys, here's mine, who are yours?". Those who posted their opinions: cool, well done. I haven't heard any of DiMeola's stuff, but I'll give it a listen now. The rest of you: who d'ya like, baby? Oh, Ecki or whatever? Whatever they're feeding you in that cage, it's time to stop eating / smoking it.

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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:01:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk> To: YtseJam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Re: The Mighty Mighty Bruce'n'Adrian Show Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-1201110148-965rZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>

I just wrote: > The support band, Kill II This, were dire. Their sole redeeming feature > was a purple-haired well-endowed bass player. Mmmmmm.

I should probably also mention that said bass player is female.

Graham

-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889

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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:00:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Graham Borland <gborland@apsoft.co.uk> To: YtseJam <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: The Mighty Mighty Bruce'n'Adrian Show Message-ID: <Marcel-1.46-1201110056-bbarZWN@mor.apsoft.co.uk>

Last night I saw Bruce Dickinson live, with Adrian Smith on guitar . . . and the gig was absolutely mindblowing!

The setlist was the same as the Paris setlist which was posted to the Jam a few days ago: lots of Chemical Wedding, the best of Accident of Birth, and good bits from Balls to Picasso and Tattoed Millionaire. Plus the inevitable Maiden classics! :-)

The support band, Kill II This, were dire. Their sole redeeming feature was a purple-haired well-endowed bass player. Mmmmmm.

Anyway, Bruce & co put on an amazing show; they were brimming with energy and excitement. I haven't sweated so much since . . . ermmm . . .

That tall skinny weird guy playing the other guitar was tall, skinny and weird.

I got one of Adrian Smith's guitar picks. I shall mount it next to my Satriani drum skin, Portnoy stick, and Posh Spice pubic hair.

Graham

-- Graham Borland Email : gborland@apsoft.co.uk WWW : http://www.apsoft.co.uk Alternative Publishing Ltd Tel : 0141 418 0881 30 Clyde Place, Glasgow G5 8AQ Fax : 0141 418 0889

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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:37:15 EST From: D2112T@aol.com To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4467 Message-ID: <2aaa628f.3663d4eb@aol.com>

its elegante damn it

damn non-massapequana :)

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Date: 1 Dec 1998 09:20:40 GMT -0300 From: Bandit@siscor.bibnal.edu.ar To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: What about burning CD's? Message-ID: <199812011221.JAA07211@gondor.bibnal.edu.ar>

YT>From: "Raivo Hool" <raitz@estcard.ee> YT>To: ytsejam@axnet.net YT>Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 4464 YT>Message-ID: <199811301110.NAA29695@xyz.estcard.ee>

YT>> >SO, my question is: Is there any other reason for not buying pirate CDs YT>> >except the moral side? YT>> You don't get the neat looking booklet :)

YT>Try this: rip an original CD. Then burn an audio CD from the wav-files YT>that you got. Then extract the audio data from the CD you yourself burned. YT>Write another CD from the wav-files. Etc. After doing this 4 times, I'm YT>not so sure you'd even understand what band is playing. Three words: YT>jitter and CRC.

This is the most stupid opinion I've heard. Do it 9 times if you want. And you will never lose sound quality, because you rip the audio via the DATA channel, that's why it's exactly the same as recorded.

I told you this because I have a CD-R, and I've done too much CD Audio copies.

But for other people, I ever want to buy original CDs because of much things. The booklet, the case, and the materials on which he CD is made is less vulnerable.

YT>Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 05:30:03 -0700 YT>From: Vincent LuPone <vgl@syspac.com> YT>To: ytsejam@axnet.net

YT> Or get that new CD Burner from Phillips, hook up your regular CD player YT>directly to it, and never lose sound quality.

This, lose sound quality, much sound quality.

Bye David Epelboim Bandit@siscor.bibnal.edu.ar

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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:24:54 +0100 From: "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Odds and sods Message-ID: <001201be1d25$9a365500$2fa1bd9d@pcnga.software-ag.de>

Hi all

just a couple of things that may or may not be of interest to you.

The new German edition of Metal Hammer has Bernd Basmer as the guest reviewer. Unfortunately he was only allowed 1 or 2 lines for each album or track he listened to - I would have been very interested in his full opinions of the new Meshuggah album (wie waer's, Bernd?).

1998 has been a great year for stoner/desert rock and the best album of this genre has been saved until last - "Time Travelling Blues" by Orange Goblin is a must for anybody who likes this sort of stuff. If Sabbath wrote the riffs, Kyuss played them, Cathedral and Acrimony did the singing, and Hawkwind and Gong/Steve Hillage provided the hippy-trippy aspects, this is what it would sound like. And the hidden track proves you should not have your producer in the studio when you are drunk. Plus the third track starts off with some Hammond stuff that I could very well imagine Derek playing as a new intro to "Lines In The Sand" - very dirty and very groovy.

The Gathering will be playing in the Hafenbahn in Offenbach, Germany on the 21st of January 1999 - anybody else feel like going?

Spock's Beard have a new fan - my father. My parents are currently staying with me for a week, and on Friday night I had "The Kindness Of Stranges" playing. He came out with comments like "sounds like Yes there" or "that reminds me of Genesis". On Saturday we were in town and he bought all 3 studio albums - not bad for somebody who turned 66 this year! I also got the live album on Thursday - an excellent performance made better by the bonus track of a cover of Hendrix's "Fire".

Did I mention that software engineers will be amongst the first to be put up against the wall when the revolution comes?

stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: Solitude Aeturnus - Through The Darkest Hour "I'm very bored and very, very sober" Vyvian Bastard

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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 23:29:54 +1000 From: Chris Groves <cdgroves@postoffice.utas.edu.au> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: MM&W Message-ID: <l03110700b2899f3532d2@[131.217.133.104]>

Someone asked if the new Medeski Martin & Wood album is representative of their previous efforts. In my opinion, the simple answer is no; find some of their other stuff. :) I found Combustication quite boring, with only a few tracks really grabbing my attention at all. Most jazz reviews seem to agree with me - the new one is rather flat and uninventive, whilst for the more commercial, poppy, or dance-y reviewers, who latch on to the turntableism, and go "wow, it's mixed in with some groovy jazz" tend to quite like it. Hunh. Just my opinion, anyway; others may care to disagree?

Chris Groves.

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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 14:19:51 +0100 From: "Neil Gallop" <nga@software-ag.de> To: <ytsejam@axnet.net> Subject: Graham Borland Message-ID: <001a01be1d2d$46bedd40$2fa1bd9d@pcnga.software-ag.de>

Hi all

sorry to do this, but I've lost Graham Borland's address. Graham, could you please contact me - I've got a question about the recent Anathema concert in Glasgow. Ta in advance.

stay safe and happy listening Neil Gallop (nga@software-ag.de) Currently playing: Solitude Aeternus - Downfall

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Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 14:39:18 +0100 From: CyberDuke <duskob@mol.com.mk> To: ytsejam@axnet.net Subject: Guitarists Message-ID: <3663F186.949CD1B2@mol.com.mk>

> Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 02:16:17 -0600 > From: yzzy <yzzy@earthlink.net> > > > 2. Stevie Ray Vaughan (Those who never saw him live missed out...) > > that's how i feel about Carlos Santana ;-)

Yeah! Gimme some more of it! :)

Speaking of speed, shredders and guitars, there's a grandpa who back in 1969 turned the world upside down with a live performance of a song called "Goin' Home"! The incredible - Alvin Lee!!!! --

CyberDuke _______________________________________________________ Home Page http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Gym/3466/ E-mail duskob@mol.com.mk ICQ# 17392722 _______________________________________________________

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Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:34:20 -0500 (EST) From: Paul Weiss <paulw@bass.org> To: "Ytse 'The Jam' Ventura" <ytsejam@axnet.net> Message-ID: <Pine.BSI.3.95.981201090109.28330A-100000@gs.bass.org>

I had to point out a slight misconception on the part of the esteeme d gentleman who scribbled inside the lines: >I'd love to find some stuff with prog bands with some horns or >orchestrations

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but orchestration is basically deciding within the arrangement which instrument is playing which line. It applies to a group like Dream Theater as well as to Jean Sibelius' Finlandia. But, I understand the intent of your message, so here's my pithy list: Magellan-trombone; Jethro Tull-flute, strings, glockenspiel depending on which album, ELP-used an orchestra on one of their live albums (I think it was Works Live, but I could be wrong; wouldn't be the first time), Camel brought in a horn section on one of their middle era albums, Caravan occasionally used an orchestra, Pink Floyd brought in an orchestra on The Wall and The Final Cut (Roger Waters used one on each of his solo albums as well). I might be able to think up some more later once I manage to wake up.

Dave (jamming with the 'bamas) adequately pointed out the strengths of JPage. It is very difficult to try to narrow the list of influential guitarists to five, especially when it's so subjective. One man's (or woman's) god is another man's (or woman's) dungpile.

3XgroK performed an exorcism and wound up completely twisted (as we all know and admire) when he Freudianly slipped: >Sorry, but I was rapidly snickering about this post [young fan seeking X-rated pictures] for some reason.

Thanks for pointing out the post, I must have skipped over it. It reminds me of a little song by Frank Zappa sung by Terry Bozzio called Punky's Whips. It's on Baby Snakes and Live in New York, if you're interested. For the person who commented on how Terry always seems to overplay, you should hear him overplay while he's trying to sing as well. Results are incredible, overdubs are inevitable.

Finally, The Mimes are obviously playing the Little Suite in G minor with chainsaws by Niccolo Paganini with variations. There's also a bonus track which should be "Have I Told You Lately."

NP Deep Purple: In Rock (25th Anniversary Remaster) "I'm a Speed King"

------------------------------------------------------------------------ Paul's musical quote for the Month:

Just being alive/ It can really hurt/ And these moments given/ Are a gift from time

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