YTSEJAM Digest 3579
Today's Topics:
1) Platypus
by Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
2) FYI--Jewel cases
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
3) Vitalij Kuprij
by "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com>
4) re: D v J v K
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
5) Platypus
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
6) re: Hey, you're a dumb jerk!
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
7) Amplifier Opinions
by Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
8) Jennifer Batten
by Yann Guinamand <yguinama@erato.unice.fr>
9) Re: Rockabilly-Country-Rock
by "Brett Flannigan" <dagoth@hotmail.com>
10) DT Lyrics
by "SINGH HARDEV" <MC63129@sis.port.ac.uk>
11) Re: Vitalij Kuprij
by Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx>
12) Can someone tell me how to do a listserv? (minor DTC)
by "Vaughn, Brandon" <VAUGHNB@CHIPOLA.CC.FL.US>
13) Friedman, Grammies
by Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com>
14) Re: Rockabilly-Country-Rock
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
15) Re: Hey, you're a dumb jerk!
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
16) Ed Wilk and Bruce Forst !
by Satu Reunanen <satu.reunanen@sci.fi>
17) Re: Green Day
by Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 12:37:43 +0100
From: Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com>
To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Platypus
Message-ID: <v04003a02b11c4a75e962@[194.121.235.251]>
Hi!
You should read the THE MIRROR-pages! Try the Altavista translator... uh...
never mind.
The (hopefully tentative ;-) ) title of the album is "When Pus Comes To
Shove". Some overdubs are still missing and the whole thing has yet to be
mixed etc., so don't expect it before middle/end of May. I seems to be a
bit more song oriented, unlike LTE. About half of the songs is with vocals.
Steffen
-- Steffen Barabasch <TheMirror@westend.com> THE MIRROR - deutscher Dream Theater Fanclub (http://www.westend.com/TheMirror)------------------------------
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 05:04:10 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'Freaks List'" <freaks@ax.com>, "'DT'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: FYI--Jewel cases Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-980227130410Z-13126@ms.Kallback.com>
Jewel cases can be had at a reasonable price (25@US$15.90pp) at: http://indiana.net/cms/jewl.htm
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 05:35:04 -0800 From: "Trevor W. Hoit" <TrevorW@ms.kallback.com> To: "'DT'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Vitalij Kuprij Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=kbhq%l=KBHQ-980227133504Z-13143@ms.Kallback.com>
For anyone who loves Artension or classically-influenced keyboard-based progmetal (how's that for pigeon-holing?) you must own Vitalij Kuprij's High Definition. This disc would be on my list of 10 best in 97 had I made such a list. It also features production and shredding guitar by Shrapnel's own Greg Howe. So go buy this disc now. (And I'm sure Mike Varney would agree.)
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:49:50 -0500 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: D v J v K Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19980227084950.29775928@mail.ici.net>
> So far the best comments I have >heard is that just because Jordan is a keyboard stud doesn't mean he would be >the best fit when it came to write music. The guy who said this is a fucking >genius. Most intelligent thing I have heard yet.
Thank you. I think I'll put this quote on my resume. I feel honored to have been given a Ytse-title with the word "fucking" in it, an honor that originated with the ORIGINAL Fucking Idiot, the esteemed Mr. Bafu Vai. :)
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_____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________________ E-mail: (psull)-(at)-(ici)-(dot)-(net) IRC: DDictator WWW: http://www.just-like.nu/ NP: Removed because Jon Kretchmer said so. ______________________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:28:41 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com> To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Platypus Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980227092402.1538A-100000@bdmserver>
Another Pat wrote: >Then again, after what Doug Pinnick did to LitS, I might want to steer >clear of anything King's X related. :)
I dont think Doug really did anything to LitS. I'm not exactly sure he fits in the song though. Anyway Ty Tabor has a definitely very different voice than Doug does. That is one of the great things about King's X, when both of the distinctly different vocalists sing in harmony.
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:34:04 -0500 From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: re: Hey, you're a dumb jerk! Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19980227093404.2977bb3c@mail.ici.net>
Well, I can see from the subject that you're really into open-minded debate, and respecting the opinions of others....
>I'm not saying you have to love him, but unless you're a little screwy >it's not that hard to recognize talent. Dwight Yokum is an awesome >guitarist. I don't like country music or his style, but I recognize him >as a great guitarest and I respect him for that.
I never said he wasn't talented. But just becacuse he's talented, that doesn't mean that I have to like the music that he makes. I believe I posted that already. Maybe you should re-read what I said.
>I seriously doubt they can. I've been playing for a number of years and >I've met many guitarists, young and old, and I've seen some close (none >of them rock guitarists) but never all the way up there.
You're not going to get flamed because people think they're better, you're going to get flamed because anyone with half a brain realizes that it doesn't matter whether *they* can play as well as him or not. I happen to not play guitar, but I play a lot of other instruments. I also happen to like Yngwie's guitar playing quite a bit. But I guess my opinion doesn't mean dick (according to you), because I can't play as well as he can. Can you? Why should we listen to *you* then?
> >Actually, I was able to open my mind up a lot more after I began playing >and learning theory. In a way, it does matter and that makes you come >off as an arrogant son of a bitch.
You take the elitist attitude that only musicians can have opinions about music, and then have the nerve to call *me* arrogant? That's classic. Pot/Kettle/Black.
>> >>So basically, your whole post sums down to "People should be allowed to > >>bitch about music *I* like, they should only bitch about music that >*I*= > >hate". >> > >No not at all. You're obviosuly just a dumb jerk who likes to draw >conclusions. I simply said that anyone with half a brain should be able >to recognize a good musician from a poor one, and those musicians should >be respected even if not liked.
I agreed with that. What the dumb jerk here was disagreeing with was your anointing yourself the person who decides what music is acceptable, and what is not. I didn't make any judgements about bands - you're the one who was listing the bad bands.
I drew no conclusions, I simply stated what you said another way. If you don't like what was said, then take a good look in the mirror.
>>Personally, I really haven't listened to enough of Yngwie's music to >pass >>judgement on it, I just hate it when people start complaining about all >the >>complaining. Most of the reviews of "Facing The Animal" that I've seen >on >>the list have been fairly positive, so I'm not really sure what you're >>getting so upset about anyway. >> > >Lotsa people bash the guy. They say he's arrogant, and an asshole, and >a wife beater. And look up some Yngwie interviews, reviews, and >anything else about the guy and that's what you'll find about him!
If the magazines are bashing him, then write to the magazines. If specific people on here are bashing him, the refer to the posts directly. I don't happen to read the reviews you're so upset about, so I have no context. Maybe you should have given some examples so everyone would have been up to speed on where you were coming from.
>>What pisses me off is that you come across as one of the elitist >prog-heads >>that I really hate - the people who think that if the music isn't >>technically complex, it isn't worth listening to. To me, those people >are >>just as bad as the people who won't broaden their horizons out from >Top-40 >>pap. >> > >Again, you make yourself sound like a total idiot again. I like a lot >of music that isn't COMPLEX such as Metallica, Thin Lizzy, Iron Maiden, >Ozzy, Boston, and Aerosmith. But...unlike you I'm not sheltered and I >know what I'm talking about from experience, and I know when someone is >totally unoriginal and untalented, and hence it is BORING! Do you to >see movies that are repetetive and have the same plot over and over >again? (If so, it explains a lot!) No! It's the same with music.
Please re-read my paragraph above. I said you "came across" that way. I have no idea what you are like in real life, so I can only draw conclusions. But apparently, after one post, you know that I am a "sheltered" "dumb jerk" "total idiot". Beautiful.
Listen. Take all this damn "experience" you keep bragging about, and shove it up your ass. It doesn't mean dick. Am I supposed to be so impressed that I bow before you? Look, I started playing and studying music over 20 years ago, and I play several instruments. I am by no means a virtuoso in any of them, but I feel I've learned a little about music over the years. And what I've learned is that all music is targeted at a certain audience, and that audience is not always other musicians. The songs they play on "Sesame Street" are just as "great" as any virtuoso piece, because they succeed in connecting with their target audience. You need to stop thinking that music sucks simply because it doesn't move *you*. As long as it moves *someone*, it's valid.
If you want to discuss the merits/demerits of certain kinds of music, great. I like an informed debate. But If you must resort to juvenile name-calling when someone disagrees with you, then please take your opinions (and your "experience") elsewhere.
_____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________________ E-mail: (psull)-(at)-(ici)-(dot)-(net) IRC: DDictator WWW: http://www.just-like.nu/ NP: Removed because Jon Kretchmer said so. ______________________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:54:15 EST From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Amplifier Opinions Message-ID: <aced6992.34f6d399@aol.com>
I would like to know a couple of opinions on amps that other ytse jammers have used. I will start off by listing Amps I own or have owned:
Marshall JCM 900: Not bad but I definitely was expecting more. Took it back after playing with it for two weeks.
ADA MP-1: Terrible, Terrible amp. Unless you want to buy it from me. Then it kicks ass. First amp I ever bought. I didn't have a clue what tone was. I just liked all the buttons. No dynamics at all.
Mesa Boogie Rectifier: Nothing can touch this. It lacks live possibilities because it doesn't have a stereo effects loop and I usually like to have a couple of rhythm tones, a couple of lead tones, and a couple of clean tones. Not possible with this. But then again, when I just want a godly distorted tone, this is what I plug into!
These are the three amps I have personally owned. Now I would like to list some amps I would like to buy to add more tonal possibilities live. I would like to know what owners of these amps think:
Mesa Engineering Triaxis: Almost got this one, but I think the Rectifier sounds better. The Rectifier circuitry on this is good, but it isn't quite a Rectifier. Besides, it's the Orange channel, not the Red. What I do like is the clean tones on this, and the live possibilities with it.
Marshall JMP-1: I didn't think I liked Marshalls, but when I was at the NAMM show recently, I plugged into one of these and I was getting an incredible tone. My mind quickly thought "Everybody is a Marshall man (or woman) or a Mesa man. It's like Ford and Chevy. One inevitably hates the other. But if I were to mix the two for a whole new tone. The killer midrange of the Marshall with the incredible bottom end of the Rectifier. Damn. Where's my checkbook?"
I am also interested in these two amps for direct recording. I get these huge tones out of the Rectifier, but when I stick a mic in front of it, all that bottom end goes bye-bye. Plus it is too loud to record at 3:30 am when I get a great song idea. So tell me about the following:
Sansamp PSA-1: It isn't quite "the tone" bet definitely the best direct recording unit I have heard so far. It is definitely worthy of making demos out of your apartment. But I am also looking at the ....
Rocktron Voodoo Valve: Rocktron seems to be tuned into the future. Their website shows great customer support. And downloading patches.... Brilliant. The Voodoo Valve Online even has a patch called "Ytse Jammmer" on it. What an endorsement. Plus, this badboy has a range of effects. I would only want to use it for direct recording though. I have never been able to hear this plugged into a mixer. Let me know if it is better or worse than the Sansamp purely in terms of direct recording tone. Somebody has to have this preamp.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------- Okay, the longer I stay on the net, the more I think I will look into setting up my own website. How is this for a premise: www.ampsettings.com. The site would be dedicated to amp heads sending in their favorite amp (and effect) settings in text, jpeg, whatever format. Available for others to download. Example: calrect.txt would be a text file of a whole bunch of Dual Rectifer settings from me. With a little help from members, their could be pages with settings from the stars. Wouldn't it be great to see JPTriax.txt (a text file of all of John Petrucci's Triaxis settings)? I see a lot of potential in this. I don't know the first thing about websites. In fact, if somebody beats me to this idea (or it is already out), fine with me. Less work on my end.
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:35:58 GMT From: Yann Guinamand <yguinama@erato.unice.fr> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Jennifer Batten Message-ID: <199802271635.QAA05784@erato.unice.fr>
I know and I really like Jennifer Batten's music. It sounds like Steve Vai and she's really a nice girl. The 2 albums Tribal rage and Above, below ... are EXCELLENT ! She plays on Washburn. She played with another band : the immigrants, a kind of Stevie Ray Vaughan Style.
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 07:56:55 PST From: "Brett Flannigan" <dagoth@hotmail.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Rockabilly-Country-Rock Message-ID: <19980227155655.18095.qmail@hotmail.com>
>I'm wondering though, did Metallica win the Best >Rockabilly-Country-Rock award?
Aw, come on, I for one actually like their new sound (though admittedly not as much as their old sound). That said, here's my opinion on why they've changed: after all those years of smokin' weed they've mellowed out ;). Also for my credit, country is the only type of music besides death metal that I don't like. As you might assume I have quite varied tastes.
->Dagoth
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 16:03:42 +0000 From: "SINGH HARDEV" <MC63129@sis.port.ac.uk> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT Lyrics Message-ID: <390A3B67B66@pbs5.milton.port.ac.uk>
Hi fellow Jammers,
Come and visit my new DT page and tell me what you think. Thanx.
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Venue/8589/dtheater.htm
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:15:47 -0600 (CST) From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Vitalij Kuprij Message-ID: <Pine.A32.3.91.980227101446.27650A-100000@academ04.mty.itesm.mx>
Can anybody list a "very best of Shrapnel records", i dont trust their own reviews, they repeat the same things over and over for each artist.
Mauricio
On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Trevor W. Hoit wrote:
> > For anyone who loves Artension or classically-influenced keyboard-based > progmetal (how's that for pigeon-holing?) you must own Vitalij Kuprij's > High Definition. > This disc would be on my list of 10 best in 97 had I made such a list. > It also features production and shredding guitar by Shrapnel's own > Greg Howe. > So go buy this disc now. (And I'm sure Mike Varney would agree.) > >
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:54:18 -0600 From: "Vaughn, Brandon" <VAUGHNB@CHIPOLA.CC.FL.US> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Can someone tell me how to do a listserv? (minor DTC) Message-ID: <41303F74D60DD111B56500609778A79C11288A@chipola.cc.fl.us>
Hi,
Sorry to bring this to the Jam; so anyone kind enough to help me out can do it by email.
I was wondering how a list like this could be set up. I've heard the word listserv thrown around a lot. For example, where could I set one up at and how much does it cost? I am really ignorant of the whole process. Could a regular email program handle this kind of thing (automated somehow)?
I am wanting to make a mailing list for certain people having certain musical equipment, and maybe another one that is for musicians that like progressive music (heavy content of DT, TABs of various bands, equipment lists, etc.).
Or, I have thought about creating a newsgroup for these things, but I don't know how to do this (seems more complicated that a mailing list).
Can anybody help me?
The MadTabber vaughnb@chipola.cc.fl.us
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 02:27:02 -0200 From: Marcelo Vanzin <vanzin@geocities.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Friedman, Grammies Message-ID: <34CABF16.FE5C4D2D@geocities.com>
Hey ye jammanoids!
ytsejam@ax.com wrote: > ------------------------------ > From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> > Subject: Marty Friedman and the bird.
> You oughtta get Introduction, too. I like that one much better. :) Who > would have thought Marty and Nick doing new age albums 10 years ago? heheh. > I wasn't too thrilled with True Obsessions though. Ah, well. I guess I was > looking for him to continue on with the new age stuff and there were like > only two songs like that on that album.
Aw, too bad, I left "Introduction" on the shelf and got "Dragon's Kiss" instead. Ya know, my hands were pretty full, my pockets were pretty empty. :) I like "Tru Obsessions" a lot, although it's kinda different from Scenes. It always depends on my mood. :)
> ------------------------------ > From: Mauricio Martinez Villarreal <al769526@mail.mty.itesm.mx> > Subject: Re: Grammy's - NDTC > > Who the fuck are the chemical bros. anyway? > What song of EJ was nominated? Pavilion or SRV? > I guess this was the main reason why Satch decided to put his new album > now, to prevent this "jackasserie" stuff. > Mauricio
Chemical Bros.? Aren't they those two English guys who play techno or something like that (just like that Prodigy does)? EJ was nominated for S.R.V., as far as I know. At least, that's what it says in his home page (www.ericjohnson.com). And, talking about EJ, "Venus Isle" is a REALLY cool album. :)
-- []'s /**********************************************\ |* Marcelo Vanzin *| |* vanzin@geocities.com *| |* http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/6308/ *| \**********************************************/
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:57:29 -0300 (EST) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Rockabilly-Country-Rock Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980227155622.31805C-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, Brett Flannigan wrote:
> Aw, come on, I for one actually like their new sound (though admittedly > not as much as their old sound). That said, here's my opinion on why > they've changed: after all those years of smokin' weed they've mellowed > out ;). Also for my credit, country is the only type of music besides > death metal that I don't like. As you might assume I have quite varied > tastes.
That's probably because you've only heard "wrong" death metal, I think. :-)))
> ->Dagoth
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 13:05:56 EST From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Hey, you're a dumb jerk! Message-ID: <899b888e.34f70086@aol.com>
come on, let's not get hostile, shouldn't we be uniting against the common enemy?? no, not the Judian Peoples Front, HANSON!
Rocky
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:20:45 +0200 From: Satu Reunanen <satu.reunanen@sci.fi> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Ed Wilk and Bruce Forst ! Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980227192045.0066b6f4@mbox.sci.fi>
Can you please contact me, I think I have wrong adds or my computer is f**ked up. Back to music, people ! Satu
DT next Wednesday !!!=))
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Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:02:39 -0500 From: Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Green Day Message-ID: <34F70DCE.A7E8267E@ic3.ithaca.edu>
> come on, you can't put down Green Day, they are some of the best song writers > out there, just the chord progressions that they come up with amaze me, very > very original, i doubt anyone from the ytsejam could even begin to write some
What? Are you really that stupid? Is someone joking around here or is this guy for real?
> of those amazing Green Day licks, or even begin to play them. i've been > playing guitar since i was 2, and now i'm 22, and i could even begin to play > any Green Day song. and on top of that, he has to sing with his realistic > accent.
Have you been smokin' crack? Are you nuts? As a musician I almost never use this term...THEY SUCK! They're pathetic. They're a bunch of loser teenagers who got together one day, learned a few power chords and
went out and became a band. They are the epitome of shitty American music. It's talentless, unoriginal bands, like Green Day that get together and "flush your mind right down the drain..." Great chord progressions? gimme a break. Big deal if they can play a bunch of power chords in different orders. They're the easiest songs in the world to play on top of that. Any kid can pick up a guitar for the first time and learn any Green Day song in a week. It's boring, repetative crap. You want some great song writing? Get some Jethro Tull or some Kansas.
Even more important, Green Day and every other "punk" band today are ripping off a legitimate MOVEMENT of music that ended in 1982! You want
original punk music? Pick up some Sex Pistols or some Misfits. Stop wasting your time with this garbage!
Chris
-- "Watch religion come and go, Watch corruption on their shows. Buy your silence money for blood, Out of the ark and into the flood..."
- Bruce Dickinson "Lickin' the Gun"
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