YTSEJAM Digest 3583
Today's Topics:
1) A couple of things...
by Karri K Kiviluoma <kkiviluo@cc.hut.fi>
2) Hanson/Barney/Marilyn Manson Death-pit
by "Brett Flannigan" <dagoth@hotmail.com>
3) Re: YNGWIE
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
4) Re: Re: YNGWIE
by Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
5) Re: Keys, Guitarists, a laugh, and ACTUAL DTC!
by The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
6) Who are you?
by Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
7) Our Rob or Ross
by Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
8) Tonighte - GENSEIS IN CONCERT LIVE IN GERMAN RADIO
by "holger.hoffmeister" <holger.hoffmeister@metronet.de>
9) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3582
by "Matt Halloran" <imemnok@hurricane.gnt.net>
10) ACOS
by "Woolcock" <woolcock@pl.camtech.net.au>
11) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3579
by rjurado <rjurado@eiger.com.ph>
12) Re: Re: Green Day
by Dave <hwoodson@ix.netcom.com>
13) Re: YADNEERG digest 3579
by A P Longley <ap7032@qmw.ac.uk>
14) re: Talk about overreacting...
by yzzy <yzzy@earthlink.net>
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 11:33:44 +0200 (EET)
From: Karri K Kiviluoma <kkiviluo@cc.hut.fi>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: A couple of things...
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.980228111703.27167A-100000@hanuri.hut.fi>
Heyho! I lurk no mo'! Err..yeah.
Someone with a name starting with A scribbled:
> melodies anyway. Dead Winter Dead was the first album I heard/bought by
> Savatage, and what got me hooked. Everyone should definitely have this.
> It's a rock-opera - the first one I got to hear. The music, and the
> lyrics, everything will just blow you away.
Well, I think you're going to be VERY pleased with 'The Wake
of Magellan'! I thought that nothing could match DWD, but that
disc just blows it away. The melodies are great and the story
is great. And there's no weak songs in there like IMO in DWD.
> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:46:15 -0500
> From: Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
> Ok, 3 things:
<Snippety snip....>
Dude, you're being played like a horny violing.
Other stuff:
1. About YM: Most of you have propably noticed there's room for
many kinds of music in this world, why not let the poor man be
,) Anyways he was my stepping stone to melodic metal for which
I am eternally grateful. I think I'll have to buy the coming
classical work by him to see if he still has it.
2. DT on wednesday! And JP and MP clinics on tuesday (dunno if
I can go though =P).
3. New Blind Guardian single out!!! Anyone wanna ship one over
here from Germany? =P
life sucks
back to da lurks...
Karri
kkiviluo@cc.hut.fi
This crap was brought to you by The Evil Internet!!!
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 01:45:25 PST
From: "Brett Flannigan" <dagoth@hotmail.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Hanson/Barney/Marilyn Manson Death-pit
Message-ID: <19980228094525.16938.qmail@hotmail.com>
>re: Met*
>If M* were to play acoustic versions of their new stuff, it would be
>country. Period. End of Discussion. Open for debate: And, it would
>be some pretty bland, bad country at that. Not that I like good
>country, but the new stuff is really boring.
Well, there I disagree with you; obviously though I'm one of the few who
like the new sound (ah well). Flame me if ya want, just my opinion.
Anyway, they would have to throw in a few twangs here and there to make
it true country ;).
>come on, let's not get hostile, shouldn't we be uniting against the
>common enemy??
>no, not the Judian Peoples Front, HANSON!
Hell Yeah! I for one think them and Barney should be thrown in a
death-pit with Marilyn Manson. Of course we know who would win, but damn
it would be fun to watch. I think Pay-per-view would cover that :).
BTW, Goddamn the Jam sure is fun to read! Gullible AND pissed-off people
all thrown together! Whew, for a few weeks there I thought the Jam had
settled down. Hehehe.
->Dagoth
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 05:02:54 EST
From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YNGWIE
Message-ID: <7ab91807.34f7e0d0@aol.com>
<
<Yngwie is the fastest fucking
<guitarist I have seen on the face of the earth.
<
it's amazing what the neck pickup can do for speed.
<<<<
>Yngwie probably knows
>more about music and theory than any of the FUCKERS that bash him put
>together times ten.
>>
i seriously doubt that
>why don't you settle this argument by asking John
>Petrucci to play even half of a rippin-ass Malmsteen solo, and I promise
>you, he wouldn't come close at all.
>
ha.. ha ha.... ha ha haha..... BAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
oh please
>So Fuck all you opinionated MOTHERFUCKERS.
>
whats wrong with having an opinion? who raised you? Hitler?
>BTW, this is from a drummer that doesn't even play guitar
>
no shit?!?!?!
>I just subscribed to this list two days ago
>
do us ALL a favor, send an email to ytsejam-request@ax.com, in the subject put
"asdf" in the body of the message type "unsubscribe ytsejam"
It's been real,
Rocky
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 04:17:58 -0600
From: Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Re: YNGWIE
Message-ID: <34F7E456.2E57@rollanet.org>
hey graham,(or any one else who gives a shit)
That thing I said about Yngwie Malmsteen wasn't exactly my opinion about
him anyway. I have a few of his albums and yes, JP kicks his ass
TOTALLY, IMHO, I like Yngwie's solo's, but he can't write a decent rythm
guitar line to save his life, his rythm stuff bores me to tears, and his
leads do get very repetitive. Sorry if I pissed you off, man, but I was
just trying to make the point that all of this putting down crap is not
very conducive to a good conversation. Check this out- most everyone,
if not everyone on this list, loves DT, but does that mean that someone
can't like another band, or another guitar player? Personally, one of
my favorite guitarists is Alex Skolnick. He is extremely fluid on the
old Testament stuff, which is kind of strange considering that it was
written on top of heavy thrash music. JP kicks his ass too,
technically, but that doesn't mean Alex Skolnick sucks, or that Yngwie
Malmsteen sucks either.
Back to the Yngwie stuff, I read an interview in a guitar magazine, the
subject was DT. And he said that DT was his favorite band to listen to,
the only bad thing he said about DT was that he didn't care for the
drummer all that much, which isn't surprising considering almost
everything Malmsteen plays is in 4/4 time.
Actually, I don't even like Malmsteen that much at all, in fact, I think
he's an arrogant prick.
I've just gotten the idea that a few people are somewhat narrow-minded,
and if I got the wrong opinion, I apologize for that. If you seriously
think I'm an asshole(I assure you I'm not) than please feel free to
email me privately at lexine@rollanet.org
I know a lot of people that are into prog-metal, a lot of people that
are into death-metal, and a lot of people that like alternative stuff.
And I've noticed that some people have become narrow-minded in their
opinions of music, or music talent. What I'm trying to say is, let
whoever they are, go ahead and like Malmsteen if they choose to, because
music has plenty of room for people who enjoy it. And that goes for
people who like Green Day as well. It also goes for the homeless guy on
the corner playing for money.
Music is everything, music is the one hope in a world where almost
everything else absolutely drives you insane.
I'm apologize if I pissed anybody off.
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 05:22:02 EST
From: The iban <Theiban@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Keys, Guitarists, a laugh, and ACTUAL DTC!
Message-ID: <6ccdcad4.34f7e54d@aol.com>
Keys:
hey keyboardists, i just bought a Korg N364, it's a great synth, anyway, it
can store settings for sounds, and all kinda other shit on floppies. i was
wondering if anyone knew if i could download some settings files off the 'net
anywhere, or if anyone wants to trade some with me.
Guitarists:
hey guitarists, if you live in maryland, can play some good progressive rock
(nothing extremely complicated), know music theory (i'm tired of being the
only one in the band that does), are open minded, drop me an email. my band
needs a good guitarist bad, i used to switch back and forthe from guitar to
keys, but now i decided just to stick to keys, even though i'm better on
guitar, don't ask me why, i don't know, the world may never know. anyway, we
are pretty serious, we only get a chance to all get together about once a
week, but we can practice any time. for more info, just drop me a line.
a laugh:
>Yngwie's stuff sounds to me like pirate music. When I hear
>Yngwie I get scurvy.
>
hahah, man, i don't know why, but that had me rollin for a few mins.
ACTUAL DTC!:
this is probably in the FAQ, and although i know you're not supposed to ask
shit that's in the FAQ, i'm too lazy to look it up, so, here goes..
ok, both times i saw DT this tour, they played the same music before the
opening band, and then they played the unreleased DT songs before DT came on.
the question is, what were they playing before the opening band? it sounded
pretty good, even though the songs seemed to always end with double bass,
riding on the cymbals, the quarter note snare, and the guitar just wailing.
anyway, i just wanted to know so i could check it out, if they actually carry
it at a record store near me.
Rocky
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 02:50:25 -0800
From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Who are you?
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980228025025.007b3df0@sdcc17.ucsd.edu>
>From: Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
>I just subscribed to this list two days ago, and since have seen more
>bashing of Yngwie than I would care to. I thought this was a list of
>people with intelligence, but alas, I guess I was mistaken.
Perhaps if you dont judge the list after two days you will see a different
jam. Youre new at this, so we can forgive your ignorance, but threads like
this arise all the time, people voice their opinions, and then they die out
to be replaced by new ones. You havent seen that yet. Some of us that
have been around for years see people like you come and go, and your kind's
absence doesnt matter to us, so if you dont like it here, leave. If you
like DT and related bands and musicians, stick around, youll be surprised
at what turns up onthe jam.
>Yngwie probably knows
>more about music and theory than any of the FUCKERS that bash him put
>together times ten.
Cool your jets man, there are some pretty musically literate people on the
jam. You havent been here long enough, so you wouldnt know.
>So Fuck all you opinionated MOTHERFUCKERS.
I have opinions, so I am opinionated. Deal with it.
>Half of you don't deserve to be DT fans in the first place.
You havent even seen a 20th of the jammers that exist, so chill until you
hear from them, then you decide whether they deserve to be DT fans.
Youre just a freshman loudmouth, and we all know where those end up, head
first in a garbage can. So stop typing and start reading, youll be
surprised at what youll learn.
Jon
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 03:22:53 -0800
From: Chris Oates <aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
To: "Ytsejam (E-mail)" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Our Rob or Ross
Message-ID: <01BD43F8.2AFD36B0.aspect@cats.ucsc.edu>
Actually, Bafu, fans of Red Dwarf (at least those who have seen season seven) should know what an Uroboros is ...
~Chris
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Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 12:51:35 +0100
From: "holger.hoffmeister" <holger.hoffmeister@metronet.de>
To: <freaks@ax.com>
Cc: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Tonighte - GENSEIS IN CONCERT LIVE IN GERMAN RADIO
Message-ID: <19980228115701.19918.qmail@regensburg2.pop.metronet.de>
HI everybody,
just wanted to tell you, that the german radiostation NDRII is broadcasting
a full-lenght Live Concert. Hopefully from this Tour.
Time 20.00 - 22.30 o'clock CET
So, before you ask...
You can recieve it in Europe and in north Africa via the ASTRA Satelite:
Frequenzy: 11.582 GHz (Normally you have to use 1832 as frequency in you
Reciever)
Sound carrier: 7.38/ 7.56 (stereo)
Polarisation: horizontal,
Satelite Position: 19.2° East
Back to business...
yours,
H.
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 06:13:15 -0400
From: "Matt Halloran" <imemnok@hurricane.gnt.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3582
Message-ID: <199802281217.GAA20072@hurricane.gnt.net>
>
>
> In a message dated 98-02-28 00:43:37 EST, you write:
>
> << Clapton's "24 nights >>
>
> Funny, I just said to someone yesterday "Yngwie could play circles around
> Clapton." Yngwie can do what Clapton does, and more. but, to each his
own. .
> .
>
> Art
actually Yngwie cannot play what clapton does.....sure he could play it
technically but it would be soulles as that is not Yngwie's thing. Just
listed to any of Yngwie's 'blues' solos to understand. Bear in mind that
Yngwie is one of my favorite guitarists and I can't wait for the Concerto
to come out in the states........Plus 24 nights is incredibe......oh
Clapton could probably pull of a few Malmsteen runs as well.
To keep on the Yngwie tip for a bit in some of yngwies latest
interviews(last couple years) He seems to have mellowed out quite a
bit.....sure he used to be arrogant but what truly talented individual has
not dealt with arrogance......Heck in a recent interview he even had
something nice to say about Hanson ( he said they could sing in tune so
there must be something there,,,,he went on to bash the Spice girls saying
that they couldn't even sing in tune)....so you see Yngwie is a changed
man....at least to the media........also i thought Inspiration was by far
the best album he has released in the last few years......sadly Yngelbert
does not seem to have quite the song writing chops as playing chops. I
found his playing on 'in the dead of night' by UK to be incredible.
I was wondering if there are any other Bjork fans on this list....I know it
might be a stretch but some of her melodies are just awe inspiring.
One last thing does anyone here realize that Alex Skonlick has a band
called Skol-Patrol out and that they have an e.p. for sale through the
mail?....I am sending for one pretty soon....kick ass....
I guess that's all. for now.
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:11:26 +1030
From: "Woolcock" <woolcock@pl.camtech.net.au>
To: "YtseJam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: ACOS
Message-ID: <199802281238.XAA28208@goliath.camtech.com.au>
Hi jammers,
In the inlay for ACOS, it says something about "thanks to the YtseJammers
for making this possible". What's that all about?
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Shane Woolcock - woolcock@pl.camtech.net.au
WWW - http://rampage.ml.org/sector1/~samah/
"Still awake, I continue to move along,
Cultivating my own nonsense" - DT
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:04:24 -0800
From: rjurado <rjurado@eiger.com.ph>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3579
Message-ID: <34F8EC56.7083C32F@globalcafe.com.ph>
ytsejam@ax.com wrote:
> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:54:15 EST
> From: Calvin 6S <Calvin6S@aol.com>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: Amplifier Opinions
> Message-ID: <aced6992.34f6d399@aol.com>
>
> Mesa Engineering Triaxis:=A1@ Almost got this one, but I think the
> Rectifier
> sounds better.=A1@ The Rectifier circuitry on this is good, but it isn'=
t
> quite a
> Rectifier.=A1@ Besides, it's the Orange channel, not the Red.=A1@ What =
I
> do like is
> the clean tones on this, and the live possibilities with it.
>
> Marshall JMP-1:=A1@ I didn't think I liked Marshalls, but when I was at
> the NAMM
> show recently, I plugged into one of these and I was getting an
> incredible
> tone.=A1@ My mind quickly thought "Everybody is a Marshall man (or
> woman) or a
> Mesa man. It's like Ford and Chevy.=A1@ One inevitably hates the other.
> =A1@ But if I
> were to mix the two for a whole new tone.=A1@ The killer midrange of th=
e
> Marshall
> with the incredible bottom end of the Rectifier.=A1@ Damn.=A1@ Where's =
my
> checkbook?"
>
> I am also interested in these two amps for direct recording.=A1@ I get
> these huge
> tones out of the Rectifier, but when I stick a mic in front of it, all
> that
> bottom end goes bye-bye.=A1@ Plus it is too loud to record at 3:30 am
> when I get
> a great song idea.=A1@ So tell me about the following:
=A1@=A1@=A1@ Well, first of all, the JMP-1.=A1@ I thought I was exclusive=
ly a
MESA/Boogie
man.=A1@ I figured I'd check out some pre-amps from other companies,
though, for
direct recording type stuff.=A1@ I thought the ADA was okay, especially,
because
it was so much cheaper than the JMP-1 and, of course, the TriAxis.=A1@
However,
the JMP-1 seemed to me to be the best buy with a price in between the
TriAxis
and the ADA.=A1@ Of course, it sounded much better than the ADA.
=A1@=A1@=A1@ But if I had all the money in the world, I would have gotten=
the
TriAxis.
I, as you can imagine, don't have all the money in the world so I own
none
of these. :(=A1@ I was just in the music stores fantasizing.=A1@ My guita=
r
teacher had
a TriAxis through which I did some direct recording.=A1@ Direct recording
was the
precise reason he traded his MarkIII combo for the TriAxis.=A1@ I thought
it sounded
killer for the nice shimmering clean sounds and the distortion sounds.=A1=
@
Just a little
bit of effects on top really made a nice demo sound.=A1@ I think it was a=
n
Alesis MidiVerbIII,
or something.=A1@ It also might have been a Lexicon (I don't remember if
he owned the
Lexicon at the time of that recording.=A1@ We definitely used it on some
later stuff, though.).
=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1=
@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@
=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1=
@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@=A1@
=A1@=A1@=A1@ -Rob
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 05:04:51 -0500
From: Dave <hwoodson@ix.netcom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Re: Green Day
Message-ID: <34E02643.F9C@ix.netcom.com>
> Have you been smokin' crack? Are you nuts? As a musician I almost
> never use this term...THEY SUCK! They're pathetic. They're a bunch of
> loser teenagers who got together one day, learned a few power chords and
>
> went out and became a band. They are the epitome of shitty American
> music. It's talentless, unoriginal bands, like Green Day that get
> together and "flush your mind right down the drain..." Great chord
> progressions? gimme a break. Big deal if they can play a bunch of
> power chords in different orders. They're the easiest songs in the
> world to play on top of that. Any kid can pick up a guitar for the
> first time and learn any Green Day song in a week. It's boring,
> repetative crap. You want some great song writing? Get some Jethro
> Tull or some Kansas.
WOOOOOHHOOOOOO !!! Tell it like it REALLY IS !! I fuckin' hear ya'
man !!!! A good 90% of the BULLSHIT that plays on my local radio
stations is about like EmPtVy....mindless musical repetitive noise with
a couple of words that you know are gonna come back around in a few
seconds. Hum the crap you don't know etc..... Yadda Yadda Yadda..just
go listen to Rush "Spirit of the Radio" (and you lamers that know that
song well, read along and think!) ;)
Zildjian
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 13:17:34 +0000
From: A P Longley <ap7032@qmw.ac.uk>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YADNEERG digest 3579
Message-ID: <F42E3564B7@qmwcc5.qmw.ac.uk>
Chris dribbled...
> > come on, you can't put down Green Day, they are some of the best
song > writers
> > out there, just the chord progressions that they come up with amaze
> me, very
> > very original, i doubt anyone from the ytsejam could even begin to
> write some
>
> What? Are you really that stupid? Is someone joking around here or is
> this guy for real?
Joking? You think so? NOOOOO!? What are you suggesting? Someone
using SARCASM...on the jam?! He was dead serious, in fact I've heard
talk of this list changing its name to the YADNEERG just because we
love them sooooo much.
Anyway, I think the point he was trying to make was that the attitude
he was sending up, is the way alot of people on this list talk about
the music we like as though we are the only ones with a valid opinion
and your response bears that out to a tee:
Hey, fuck ytsecon, let's have a ytsecru. - a crusade!
- YEAH, let's visit the homes of evil Green Day fans in the dead of
night and rape their wives, and kill them in their sleep in the name
of the righteous prog God.
-
The Prog Warrior.
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 07:24:17 -0600
From: yzzy <yzzy@earthlink.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: Talk about overreacting...
Message-ID: <199802281324.FAA16440@norway.it.earthlink.net>
>Mail? Chris Calabrese
> 706 East Tower
> Ithaca College
> 953 Danby Rd.
> Ithaca, NY 14850
hmmm.... i've been wondering what to do with all of
these contest entry forms that i get in the mail ;-)
yzzy
"A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction
into a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day."
- Calvin discovers Usenet
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