YTSEJAM Digest 3584
Today's Topics:
1) RE: YNGWIE
by Dave <hwoodson@ix.netcom.com>
2) This Chris Calabrese guy...
by Lars Hellsten <lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
3) Muscial "values"
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
4) re: YNGWIE
by AEllis1222 <AEllis1222@aol.com>
5) Re: Hanson/Barney/Marilyn Manson Death-pit
by Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
6) Arrrr, blimey, ye scurvy sheep sheerin' pugilist!
by someone@prognosis.com
7) Re: Keys, Guitarists, a laugh, and ACTUAL DTC!
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
8) uh, Green Day?
by "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net>
9) Re: ACOS
by "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net>
10) Dork City
by someone@prognosis.com
11) Re: YNGWIE
by eckie@asu.edu
12) Re: This Chris Calabrese guy...
by eckie@asu.edu
13) Yngwie Johan Malmsteen
by Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE>
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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 05:56:13 -0500
From: Dave <hwoodson@ix.netcom.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: RE: YNGWIE
Message-ID: <34E0324D.6B57@ix.netcom.com>
> Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 02:25:54 -0600
> From: Tom Cox <lexine@rollanet.org>
> To: ytsejam@ax.com
> Subject: YNGWIE
> I just subscribed to this list two days ago, and since have seen more
> bashing of Yngwie than I would care to. I thought this was a list of
> people with intelligence, but alas, I guess I was mistaken. On a side
> note that is related, why don't you settle this argument by asking John
> Petrucci to play even half of a rippin-ass Malmsteen solo, and I promise
> you, he wouldn't come close at all. Yngwie is the fastest fucking
> guitarist I have seen on the face of the earth. Yngwie probably knows
> more about music and theory than any of the FUCKERS that bash him put
> together times ten.
>
> So Fuck all you opinionated MOTHERFUCKERS.
>
> Half of you don't deserve to be DT fans in the first place. I thought
> their music was about expressing music- hasn't Yngwie Malmsteen been
> doing that since 1983 or so? Fuck all you self-loving hypocrites,
> FUCK YOU. BTW, this is from a drummer that doesn't even play guitar but
> seems to respect the instrument more than a lot of people here.
>
------Hey Tom, why don't you just let go and tell us how you *really*
fell about this !! ;)--------
ROFLMAO The JAMS have been ABSOLUTLEY HILARIOUS lately!!! Keep it up
guys hehehehe
Zildjian
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 09:24:18 -0500
From: Lars Hellsten <lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: This Chris Calabrese guy...
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19691231190000.0072e988@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>
Newbies... hehe... this Chris guy is hillarious!
>1.) You're ignorant...for an explanation, go to #2
>2.) Sex Pistols are posers huh? The Sex Pistols came into being in the
..
>3.) You wanna know where I live? You wanna get in touch with me?
>FINE! Which way do you prefer?
>
>Email? ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu
>Mail? Chris Calabrese
> 706 East Tower
> Ithaca College
> 953 Danby Rd.
> Ithaca, NY 14850
>How about the phone? (607) 375-4100
>I'll give you directions to here so we can settle it like men!
>Take your pick!
Dude, you better be careful what you get yourself into... I hear Rocky OWNS
Mike Bahr!
** Lars Hellsten <lhellste@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca> **
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 09:59:10 -0500
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Muscial "values"
Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19980228095910.2d7f69ec@mail.ici.net>
> You need to stop thinking that music sucks simply
>> because it doesn't move *you*. As long as it moves *someone*, it's valid.
>
>Partly true. What is meant by "valid"? Music meant for different
>audiences _can_ be compared -- it's not "apples and oranges."
>
>Music by Barney the Dinosaur intended for pre-schoolers and Bach intended
>for baroque-era mass attendees is intended for different audiences, but
>they contrast severly in content. Bach is clearly better when viewed by
>an intelligent listener (surprise: adults tend to be more intellectual
>than toddlers).
That's what I meant. Music targeted at children is usually simple music
with simple lyrics, and is generally targeted toward teaching the listener
a lesson about someting (i.e. Barney/Sesame Street). An adult will be bored
by it (generally). At the same time, Bach's music is intended for
"experienced" ears, someone who can involve themself emotionally in the
piece and appreciate the complexities of the music. In this case, a child
would be bored by it. But both are what I call "valid" because they succeed
in reaching their target audience, and serving their intended purpose.
Green Day's music would be the same. There *is* a target audience for their
music out there, whether people on this list like to admit it or not. Just
because you, me or anyone else doesn't happen to like a certain type/kind
of music, doesn't make it any less "valid", as long as an audience exists.
>I think music should hold more meaning than what pop alternative offers.
>It should be measured, meaningful, and passionate, not flung around like
>monkey feces just to see what flies.
You're assuming here that your musical value hold true for everyone else.
They don't. They only really apply to you, since everyone's values and
tastes are different.
>In summary, just because something holds the same amount of importance to
>a 16 year old dope smoker as something does for me doesn't mean that they
>carry the same validity.
And conversly, if you are allowed to make a statement like that, we must
allow the 16-year old dope smoker to make the same statement about you, and
it would be just as true.
Having musical values is great. Trying to extrapolate those values out and
apply them to everyone else is *not* great.
_____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________________
E-mail: (psull)-(at)-(ici)-(dot)-(net)
IRC: DDictator
WWW: http://www.just-like.nu/
NP: Removed because Jon Kretchmer said so.
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 11:13:36 EST
From: AEllis1222 <AEllis1222@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: YNGWIE
Message-ID: <98da3882.34f837b2@aol.com>
Wow, you're an asshole! Everybody has a right to an opinion, whether they
like Yngwie or not. I happen to defend him every chance I get, but if someone
points out something about him that is true, I'm not going to argue. And by
the way, Yngwie is not the fastest, Joe Stump is!
Art
The Official Joe Stump Website
http://www.joestump.com
<<<I just subscribed to this list two days ago, and since have seen more
bashing of Yngwie than I would care to. I thought this was a list of
people with intelligence, but alas, I guess I was mistaken. On a side
note that is related, why don't you settle this argument by asking John
Petrucci to play even half of a rippin-ass Malmsteen solo, and I promise
you, he wouldn't come close at all. Yngwie is the fastest fucking
guitarist I have seen on the face of the earth. Yngwie probably knows
more about music and theory than any of the FUCKERS that bash him put
together times ten.
So Fuck all you opinionated MOTHERFUCKERS.
Half of you don't deserve to be DT fans in the first place. I thought
their music was about expressing music- hasn't Yngwie Malmsteen been
doing that since 1983 or so? Fuck all you self-loving hypocrites,
FUCK YOU. BTW, this is from a drummer that doesn't even play guitar but
seems to respect the instrument more than a lot of people here.>>>
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 11:01:17 -0700
From: Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Hanson/Barney/Marilyn Manson Death-pit
Message-ID: <34F850ED.82100283@goodnet.com>
Brett Flannigan wrote:
>
> BTW, Goddamn the Jam sure is fun to read! Gullible AND pissed-off people
> all thrown together! Whew, for a few weeks there I thought the Jam had
> settled down. Hehehe.
hehe... yeah it has proven quite entertaining these past few days... But one
thing, I wish people would quit using the word "gullible", it isn't even a real
word in the English language. Go check Webster's Dictionary, it's not even in
there...
-- ~Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com> <ICQ # 2070538> Home Page / AZ Concerts Mailing List - http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream - http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/fw Dream Theater "Unofficial" Song Book - http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/dt ~Sola sapientia est qui me in merda posuit~------------------------------
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 12:14:41 +0000 From: someone@prognosis.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Arrrr, blimey, ye scurvy sheep sheerin' pugilist! Message-ID: <199802281812.KAA01420@odin.ax.com>
> Funny, I just said to someone yesterday "Yngwie could play circles around > Clapton." Yngwie can do what Clapton does, and more. but, to each his > own. .
No he can't. He can play the notes, but he can't play like Clapton. Take it from this perspective.... I can learn the lead that Coltrane plays on sax over Giant Steps, perhaps faster than it is on the recording, but that doesn't make me greater than or even equal to Coltrane. The sound is in your hands and in your mind... there's no way in HELL I can improvise like Coltrane over Steps at any reasonable tempo. I could solo over Clapton tunes, but it's not going to sound like Clapton. Yngwie can not sound like Clapton or Hendrix or any of those guys. He'd have to put years into modifying his technique and learning how to back off... he'd have to study the concepts and intervals in Claptons solos, etc... it would take a lot.
> buyer? There are only 3 different 7 strings on that Ibanez offers right = > now. Just ordered an RG-7620 last week!!
Welcome to my nightmare. :) There are 2 Universes available, and the RG 7620, and SUPPOSEDLY you can put in orders for the archtop and the Acoustic... whether that means you'll ever get it, is another story. When the new Black Mirrored UV shows up in full force, expect to start seeing a couple Swirl 7 strings and black and green 7 strings appear in used shops.
> releasing an album with Magna Carta. Does anyone know if and how many > albums they already have out? What are some good sources for buying > bands like this
Zero albums out right now. You can get these kinds of albums from places like www.impulsemusic.com, The Laser's Edge, Shrapnel.Magna Carta, and from independent bands' web pages (Check out http://www.spasticink.com for a paradigm example)
> that I will never find in the average music store, as far as buying from the > net. I did a search for Chaos Theory, but I guess there is a hardcore rap
The prog band is still trying to decide on a new name. ------------ > I just subscribed to this list two days ago, and since have seen more > bashing of Yngwie than I would care to. I thought this was a list of > people with intelligence, but alas, I guess I was mistaken. On a side > note that is related, why don't you settle this argument by asking John > Petrucci to play even half of a rippin-ass Malmsteen solo, and I promise > you, he wouldn't come close at all.
The original version of ACoS had a solo right out of the Malmsteen Handbook. John Petrucci learned to shred by studying Al DiMeola and Yngwie Malmsteen solos at half speed on his record player. I promise YOU that Petrucci is a more capable player than Malmsteen now. Watch his video... you'll see him doing chromatic scales in 16ths at 208BPM. Joe Stump is faster.... Yngwie is not. But more importantly, look at what they write! Petrucci over his short recording career has already danced masterfully through more complex themes and ideas, as well as styles, than Yngwie has in his almost 20 years! Plus, without sweeping, I bet Yngwie is light years behind JP at playing 1 and 2 notes per string.
> Yngwie is the fastest fucking > guitarist I have seen on the face of the earth.
You need to come to planet Madsman and be enlightened.
>Yngwie probably knows more about music and theory than any of the > FUCKERS that bash him put together times ten. > So Fuck all you opinionated MOTHERFUCKERS.
To quote a message I sent here almost a year ago:
"Go fucking fuck a fucker, you fucking fuckfuck!"
> Half of you don't deserve to be DT fans in the first place. I thought > their music was about expressing music- hasn't Yngwie Malmsteen been > doing that since 1983 or so? Fuck all you self-loving hypocrites,
That should be self-loathing. Few of us can manage enough self respect to even LIKE ourselves when we realize we've spent the past 10 minutes reading rubbish like this. Fewer still are those of us who feel ANY self worth after responding to it. I can only take solace in that I chose a superior instrument than you chose to play, and am not playing in an Yngwie cover band. Arrrrgh, me matey!
> FUCK YOU. BTW, this is from a drummer that doesn't even play guitar but > seems to respect the instrument more than a lot of people here.
That is all the explanation I need. Another drummer who wants to explain guitar technique to me... what if I told you that "Alex Van Halen is the best drummer in the world, and can do a smoother single stroke roll than Buddy Rich, so FUCK YOU!" I'd sound like an idiot, wouldn't I? Now consider how your percussive alien lips sound to us as you spout your uninformed guitar nonsense. --------- > Unfortunately, the drummer (Atma Anur?) isn't as good at this as he would > like to be. :)
Consider also that this album was made 10 years ago. I've heard something from Atma recorded about 5 years ago, and let me tell you, he knows how to work outside of his time sigs now! ---------- > From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
> >Ptacek: A simple question I hope you don't take offense to: How is that > >pronounced? > > *ahem* > > BA-FU
Hahahah! Well, there are two acceptable pronounciations of the name Ptacek. One, the correct, Slovak pronounciation is "Tah-Check". The other, more common is any variation of sounds created by horking up a big goober full of phlegm, *hkhhhaahhhgkghhhh" being the most common of these. ------------ > First of all, let's back up a second. Maybe we oughtta ask John if he'd > even want to play a Malmsteen solo.
He has. But he has nothing more to learn from Yngwie. He knows how to play Aeolian and Harmonic Minor, as well as all of his triad sweeps and diminished arpeggios.
> I dunno about John but I'd laugh in > your face and ask you to play me a Billy McLaughlin song.
Why?
> No offense, but Yngwie's stuff sounds to me like pirate music. When I hear > Yngwie I get scurvy.
That must be the quote of the decade!
"Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass." - Dennis Miller
Chris Ptacek someone@prognosis.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 11:09:10 -0700 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Keys, Guitarists, a laugh, and ACTUAL DTC! Message-ID: <01bd4473$f7ea57e0$170d84d0@safelink.safelink.net>
>Keys: >hey keyboardists, i just bought a Korg N364, it's a great synth, anyway, it >can store settings for sounds, and all kinda other shit on floppies. i was >wondering if anyone knew if i could download some settings files off the 'net >anywhere, or if anyone wants to trade some with me.
AHHHH!!!!! They've outdated me already! AGGGHGHGHSDFGQW!#@#
Actually I think you can still go to http://www.best.com/~jonin/x3-web.html and get sound patches from there. I'm pretty sure that N364 and X3 sounds are compatible. Everything should still run in PCG and SNG formats. After all, the N364 is just an updated X3.
--KorgX3
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 13:16:51 -0500 From: "Adam Cook" <acook@tiac.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: uh, Green Day? Message-ID: <199802281820.NAA00605@mailnfs0.tiac.net>
> Ok, 3 things: > > 1.) You're ignorant...for an explanation, go to #2 <tons of crap clipped> > 3.) You wanna know where I live? You wanna get in touch with me? > FINE! Which way do you prefer? > How about the phone? (607) 375-4100 > I'll give you directions to here so we can settle it like men! > > Take your pick! > > Chris
Wow, I've seen a lot of crap on the jam (I've been on since Jam 500 or so) but this shit takes the cake. I think the original "green day" post made it completely obvious that it was a sarcastic joke. So at first I just thought you were just dim-witted. But posting your address and phone number on this mailing list of over 1000 after publicly displaying your feeble intelligence is just plain ridiculous. Also, all these other messages about how "gay ass" Green Day fans are or whatever are even more depressing. I thought DT fans might be a little more open minded about all types of music and also more MATURE then the shit displayed on other mailing lists, but I guess I was wrong.
Adam
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 11:17:06 -0700 From: "KorgX3" <korgx3@safelink.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: ACOS Message-ID: <01bd4475$13439320$170d84d0@safelink.safelink.net>
>Hi jammers, >In the inlay for ACOS, it says something about "thanks to the YtseJammers >for making this possible". What's that all about?
That was our first attempt at forcing our opinion on the music industry, similar to the petition that came about to get DT in the studio when they were getting jerked around about a year ago. What happened is that MP was trying to get the ACOD EP going from EastWest and they were pretty much apprehensive about the idea, so we all started a petition and I can't remember how many signatures were on it, but as small as the internet communiety was back then, I'm sure it was a substantial amount considering. Anyway, we just helped to push EastWest in the right direction. :)
Pretty cool, huh? --KorgX3
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 12:30:21 +0000 From: someone@prognosis.com To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Dork City Message-ID: <199802281828.KAA01502@odin.ax.com>
> From: Jon Kretschmer <jkretsch@sdcc17.ucsd.edu> > Subject: Who are you?
"You Are What You Is" - Zappa > I was wondering if there are any other Bjork fans on this list....I know it > might be a stretch but some of her melodies are just awe inspiring.
There are a few of us. :) > One last thing does anyone here realize that Alex Skonlick has a band > called Skol-Patrol out and that they have an e.p. for sale through the > mail?....I am sending for one pretty soon....kick ass....
I didn't know this was available yet. For those who don't know, this is supposed to be Skolnick and some other solid musicians playing Police movie/tv show themes and car-chase scene themes... should be a riot. If Skol has kept his technique together (there has ben evidence that he's slacked, but that was a while ago) this should also be insane.
/me patiently waits for Dark City to influence Bafu's next series of posts
"Apathy is the "suckbird" on cynicism's bloated carcass." - Dennis Miller
Chris Ptacek someone@prognosis.com http://www.prognosis.com/madsman Go Home and Practice!
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 11:59:50 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: YNGWIE Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980228114827.16518D-100000@general4.asu.edu>
> So Fuck all you opinionated MOTHERFUCKERS.
An old Chinese wise man once said, "Pull down your pants. Spank your monkey." I don't think I need to go into further explanation.
> Half of you don't deserve to be DT fans in the first place. I thought > their music was about expressing music- hasn't Yngwie Malmsteen been > doing that since 1983 or so? Fuck all you self-loving hypocrites, > FUCK YOU.
Music is about expressing music, eh? Hmm. You wouldn't be related to George Farber, would you?
> FUCK YOU.
Hey, I was only asking a question. Are you?
> FUCK YOU.
Eh...nevermind.
> BTW, >this is from a >drummer<< that doesn't even play guitar but > seems to respect the instrument more than a lot of people here.
Heh heh, that explains EVERYTHING.
~Eckie, the opinionated fucking hypocritical uneducated guitarist who's faster than Yankweed on a crack high
P.S.- GREEN DAY RULZ 'N SHIT!
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 12:02:21 -0700 (MST) From: eckie@asu.edu To: ytsejam@ax.com Cc: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: This Chris Calabrese guy... Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980228120031.16518E-100000@general4.asu.edu>
> >Email? ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu > >Mail? Chris Calabrese **snip**
The Green Day CD's, posters, and hats are on their way!
~Eckie Again
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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:05:13 -0800 From: Arash Ashouriha <ashouria@FH-Niederrhein.DE> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Yngwie Johan Malmsteen Message-ID: <34F8EC89.28F@kr.fh-niederrhein.de>
Hi
What have all you guys against Yngwie Johan Malmsteen ?
He is one the best guitar player of all time. Without him, bands like Symphony X, Stratovarius would never make the music they do these days. Yngwie has create the style you call "Neo Classical Metal".
I like all his albums. From Rising Force (1984) to Facing tht Animal (1997). It's true that sometimes his solo's sounds the same but it's not a bad thing.
Ynwie make still the best neo classical music --->>>> BACH AND ROLL.
"Fire and Ice" is an awesome album. "Perpetual" kicks ass. I think, Yngwie is a good song writer. In all his albums, you can find power (metal) songs, great ballades, incerdible intstrumental stuff or just great hard rock songs. What's wrong with that ?
I can't wait to hear his Concerto album, which promised to be 1 of the best and inovativest instrumental album of all time.
Look :
Yngwie is arrogant but, hell he can play. He is giunus. Kirk Hammet more arrogant than Yngwie and he can NOT play. But some of you still love "ALTERNETICA" (formaly know as Metallica).
Blind Leading The Blind No One Sees, The Seventh Sign
by Yngwie Johan Malmsteen
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