YTSEJAM digest 3439

From: ytsejam@ax.com
Date: Sun Jan 11 1998 - 02:32:46 EST

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                                YTSEJAM Digest 3439

    Today's Topics:

      1) James Smokes???
     by Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
      2) More on TD, then I'll shut up
     by Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
      3) The Way It Used To Be - Lyrics
     by Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
      4) Top 5 CDs of 1997 results
     by Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
      5) Re: Letto: Bitching and more....
     by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
      6) Re: James Smokes???
     by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
      7) Meet me at the coffeeshop
     by "Toni Maki" <tonimaki@dlc.fi>
      8) TD
     by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
      9) Re: Tate/smokin'/etc
     by Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
     10) HY single
     by Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
     11) Kindness beauty and truth :}
     by DragynLMC3 <DragynLMC3@aol.com>
     12) DT 'persuasion'
     by "Woolcock" <woolcock@pl.camtech.net.au>
     13) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3438
     by Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net>
     14) rank spice and the bad ole commercialism
     by Devs0432 <Devs0432@aol.com>
     15) Portnoy plays with me.
     by "Eddie the Flying Gimp" <washburn@cyberhighway.net>
     16) Transcription of Keyboard interview with Derek
     by PhReEkY dEeK <lerxst@wam.umd.edu>

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    Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:47:13 -0500 (EST)
    From: Dan <drussell@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>
    To: ytsejam@ax.com
    Subject: James Smokes???
    Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.980110174638.31319A-100000@thunder.ocis.temple.edu>

    Maybe this could be one of the many few reasons for the decline of his
    powerful voice????

    Later,
    Dan

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    Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:39:47 -0500
    From: Phil Carter <carter@negia.net>
    To: Keeper of the Seven Ytses <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: More on TD, then I'll shut up
    Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980110173947.006a5470@pop.negia.net>

    Greetings ye 'jamanoids...

    One more thing about Tangerine Dream, then I'll quit (for awhile, anyway)...

    Coldfire remarked:
    >BTW....some of you may realize that Tangerine Dream has been in the
    >movies.

    That's a bit of an understatement -- they've appeared on the soundtracks of
    at least twenty films, and have done the entire score for several including
    "Firestarter," "Legend," and "Dead Solid Perfect."

    Just to clear that up...:)

    Cheers,
    Phil

    =========================================================
    Phil Carter -- carter@negia.net http://www.negia.net/~carter
    "Music brings peace to the restless, and comforts the sorrowful. They who
    no longer know where to turn find new ways. And those who have despaired,
    gain new confidence and love." -- Pablo Casals
    Currently playing: Rush -- "Signals"

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    Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 15:29:45 -0700
    From: Michael Kizer <mkizer@goodnet.com>
    To: Ytsejam <ytsejam@ax.com>
    Subject: The Way It Used To Be - Lyrics
    Message-ID: <34B7F659.8F669A38@goodnet.com>

    Well, I can't decypher all of them, but here is the bulk of them. If anyone has
    a keener ear than I, I would appreciate any help on these before I put them in
    the song book. Mail them to me direct, Thanks.

    The Way It Used To Be (07:48)
          - James LaBrie
          
        In the city once again
        I'd give anything
        To be back home safe and warm inside
        
        I can't stand the crowds
        Or the smell that surrounds me
        The ???
        
        Take me back so I can see
        The way it used to be
        
        I lay down and learn to dream
        Unlike anywhere I've been
        All is ???
        
        Then I'm falling to the ground
        And I'm lost in what I've found
        Can't stand the sounds no more
        
        Take me back so I can see
        The way it used to be
        The way it used to be
        
        Lift me from the water
        Too cold to swim
        Bring me to the land
        Lift me from the water
        That I see within
        Bring me to the land
        
        Radio waves splash in my head
        To the rhythm that I crave
        The radio waves relive the moment
        Seems like yesterday
        
        Take me back to ???
        Then I'll sit at the edge
        With my feet in the water
        
        Take me back as the sun fades away
        Break down the walls so I can breathe

        Lift me from the water
        Too cold to swim
        Bring me to the land
        Lift me from the water
        That I see within
        Bring me to the land

        Lift me from the water
        Too cold to swim
        Bring me to the land
        Lift me from the water
        That I see within
        Bring me to the land
        
        The way it used to be
        The way it used to be

        Lift me from the water
        Too cold to swim
        Bring me to the land
        Lift me from the water
        That I see within
        Bring me to the land
        
        Lift me from the water
        Too cold to swim
        Bring me to the land
        Lift me from the water
        That I see within 

    -- 
~Michael Kizer                      <mkizer@goodnet.com> <ICQ # 2070538>
Home Page / AZ Concerts Mailing List - http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer
Fates Warning ~ Island In The Stream - http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/fw
Dream Theater "Unofficial" Song Book - http://www.goodnet.com/~mkizer/dt
              ~Sola sapientia est qui me in merda posuit~

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    Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 17:19:25 -0600 (CST)
From: Jonathan Case <jcase@ROSSBY.METR.ou.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Top 5 CDs of 1997 results
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.90.980110171801.5973A-100000@rossby>

    TO whomever compiled the results of this survey you did at the end of 
1997, could you send me the results via private e-mail?  
I haven't been in ANY position to keep up w/ the YTSE's lately!

    Thanks!

    -Jon Case
jcase@rossby.ou.edu

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    Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:26:34 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Letto: Bitching and more....
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980110212417.31781A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>

    On Sat, 10 Jan 1998 eckie@asu.edu wrote:

    > > AAEAAAA7AAAAAAAAAIErH6S+oxAZnW4A3QEPVAIA
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> > AAAAAACBKx+kvqMQGZ1uAN0BD1QCAAAAAHl0c2VqYW1AYXguY29tAFNNVFAAeXRzZWphbUBheC5j
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> Oh, now you're just being funny, aren't you?

    	No,

    	Eckie,

    	it's

    	his

    	quadruple

    	spacing

    	signature.

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    --
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
  Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito
  Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!"
   Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html
 "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters"
           James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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    Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:31:35 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: James Smokes???
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980110212956.31781B-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>

    On Sat, 10 Jan 1998, Dan wrote:

    > Maybe this could be one of the many few reasons for the decline of his 
> powerful voice????

    	"So try another daaaaaaargh!!aCOFaCOFaaaay!!" - James LaBrie,
						  Japan Pay-Per-View Video

    	[]s replying with one-liners, Roger...

    --
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
  Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito
  Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!"
   Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html
 "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters"
           James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

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    Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 01:31:20 +0200
From: "Toni Maki" <tonimaki@dlc.fi>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Meet me at the coffeeshop
Message-ID: <199801102337.BAA16105@elf.dlc.fi>

    >By the way, James smokes!! I met him once in Amsterdam (the day of the
>MELKWEG concert) in Amsterdam in..... a " cofffeeshop". 

    This doesn't surprise me. If I've understood correctly when asked
"Do you use drugs?" the guys answer something like "well not any
hard drugs anyway".( This is second hand info. Don't flame/blame me)
Hmmm... What were you doing in the coffeeshop anyway? :)

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    Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 18:03:32 -0700
From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: TD
Message-ID: <v01520d04b0ddc93e2963@[205.134.227.170]>

    Hi all,

    For the ones who talk about Tangerine Dream. If you like the real TD ,
please start with albums in the 70's (Electronic Meditation, Phaedra ,
Rubycon, Ricochet, Stratosfear, Cyclone, Force Majeure...) Alpha Centuri is
different from what they have done. Try to avoid their soundtrack albums.

    Have fun,
AE

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    Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 22:23:24 -0500
From: Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Tate/smokin'/etc
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980110222324.007e3100@mindspring.com>

    ]From Phil... <wazzup Phil!?>  :)

    >No less a great singer? Well, the fact that he smokes makes him "no less a
>great singer" -- YET. This is the first thing I've read about KJL smoking
>at all, so I'm glad to know that it's not a full-time thing. I wouldn't
>give a damn if he smoked or not -- let him do what he wants! -- except for
>the fact that smoking absolutely RUINS the vocal cords. I don't want to see
>him end up like Geoff Tate, whom I am sorry to say I like a lot less these
>days. 

    That's right.  If he smokes alot he'll be hatin' it.  Not so much with pot,
b/c you don't go around smoking 20 bowls a day (well, most people don't)
like someone who smokes a pack of cigs per day, but in general smoking will
quickly reduce your endurance.  Range is another story.  I smoke fairly
heavily but my range gets wider and wider as I practice.  It's interesting
you take Tate as an example.  He's been smoking for a little while, not his
whole career, and on this most recent tour (except when he got the flu and
had to start cutting shows) his voice has been better than it has been in
the past 5-6 years.  He hasn't tried to hit the high notes in "Take Hold"
in years, but he was able to hit them and hit them well (for the most part)
in the HITNF tour.  Likewise with songs like "Walk in the Shadows."  Now,
if they could just put out a decent album... :)  

    ----------------------------------------
Adam Pye
alpineone@mindspring.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone
^^ Above URL for tapelist w/ setlists...
----------------------------------------

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    Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:03:02 -0500 (EST)
From: Michael Burstin <mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com (Ytsejam Mailing List)
Subject: HY single
Message-ID: <199801110403.XAA04870@ruby.cs.brandeis.edu>

    well, got my Hollow Years single the other day...  Lets see, first
off, the radio version of HY...  don't realy like what they did to
save time...  one of the biggest problems is that there are lyrics
that don't make sense...  they cut out from the middle of one of the
verses right into the middle of another one...  (think its "carry me
to the shoreline" right into "maybe you'll understand" in a later
portion of the song), it just causes some problems with the song...
but I guess they figured that they needed to cut down the
length... its at least better then the eMpTyV cut of TTT.

    You Or Me...  well, I have a slightly different opinion than others of
this song...  Musically, I like You OR Me better, but lyrically, I
think that You NOT Me is better...  there are some lines in the lyrics
that don't seem to flow as well as they do in YNM...  (I never really
didn't like YNM that much, though).

    TWIUTB is pretty cool...  I need to get some more of the lyrics, but I
do like the sound...  has a sora U2ish sound (saying that again, I
thnk the same for Speak To Me)

    -- 
+------------------------------------------+-----------------------+
| A daily dose of eMpTyV                   | Dream Theater         |
| will flush you mind right down the drain | Falling Into Infinity |
| --- taken from: Just Let Me Breathe ---  |   In Stores NOW!!     |
+------------------------------------------+-----------------------+
                              Michael Burstin: mikeb@cs.brandeis.edu
Oh my God, they've killed Kenny!! http://www.cs.brandeis.edu/~mikeb/
Coalition Against Unsolicited Commercial Email: http://www.cauce.org

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    Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 00:47:07 EST
From: DragynLMC3 <DragynLMC3@aol.com>
To: Ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Kindness beauty and truth :}
Message-ID: <3efe5b82.34b85cdb@aol.com>

    hi all! ive been offthe list for a while (with my boyfriend far away from
myputer) so this is the first time ive been able get back on the list and
email in, soi have no idea what is the current choaking thread :}
anywayi was reading some mail when i saw a quote from Albert Einstein,,,
The ideals which have lighted my way, and time after time have given me new
courage to face life cheerfully, have been Kindness, Beauty, and Truth.
-Albert Einstein

    Am i the only one to find that really kewl? Did DT know this quote when they
wrote LTL or is this just amazing coincidence?
D-man? anyone else?

    ~Lisa

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    Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 16:15:03 +1030
From: "Woolcock" <woolcock@pl.camtech.net.au>
To: "YtseJam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: DT 'persuasion'
Message-ID: <199801110548.QAA15537@goliath.camtech.com.au>

    Last night I made a 'persuasion' tape - a tape full of DT songs, which I'll
lend to people to try and make them a DT fan. I was wondering what other
people would put on their tapes (90 min). Here's my song listing:

    Side 1				(42:16)
-----------------------------------------------------------
A Mind Beside Itself:
Erotomania			6:45
Voices				9:53
The Silent Man			3:48

    Burning My Soul		5:29
Hell's Kitchen			4:16
Lines In The Sand		12:05

    			
Side 2				(44:22)
-----------------------------------------------------------
Lifting Shadows Off A Dream	6:05
Metropolis I: Miracle & Sleeper	9:30
Pull Me Under			8:11
Wait For Sleep			2:31
You Not Me (debatable)		4:58
Trial Of Tears			13:07

    Now to see if it works!
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Shane Woolcock - woolcock@pl.camtech.net.au
WWW - http://rampage.ml.org/sector1/~samah/
"Lifting shadows off a Dream once broken
She can turn a drop of water into an ocean" - DT
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    Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 01:17:42 -0500
From: Brian Larkin <ambicwts@postoffice.ptd.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3438
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980111011742.006a8ba0@postoffice.ptd.net>

    At 02:59 PM 1/10/98 -0800, Roger wrote:
>	In other words, I was *instantly* addicted to his voice. But,
>maybe, telling that the first record that I listened to was I&W may
>explain everything...

    His vox were definitely better on I&W . . . maybe he started smoking up
inbetween I&W and Awake?  :)  Just kidding - although I would have liked to
think a band like DT were all straight-edges . . . it doesn't really bother
me.  
I just hope James's vox don't suffer.

    >"Imagine how a death metal band would play Ytsejam. That's it."

    I'm REALLY looking forward to hearing THIS shit, man.

    Eckie wrote:
>And who are you to say that?  Have you ever tried masturbating AND 
>playing the guitar at the same time?  

    Some guitarists liken the two :)

    Alex wrote:
>So many people diss Awake.  That is my favorite complete album from The Most
>Amazing Band.  I don't get it.

    Just to clarify . . . I was IN NO WAY dissing Awake, just stating that
James' vox on the album did not appeal to me right off the bat.
 
Neal wrote:
>P.S. Now that I mention Metro II...lemme hear the peanut gallery's 
>thoughts on this one.

    If M2's as "insane" as JP sez, I can't wait to hear it.  Hopefully OFB will
return to the studio ASAP to record that and whatever else they may want us
to hear at the time.  

    And, not that anyone cares, here's MY top 5 list of '97:
1.  DT - FII
2.  FW - APSOG
3.  Testament - Demonic
4.  B. Dickinson - AOB
5.  Megadeth - Cryptic Writings

    cArPe DiEm,
bRiAn

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    Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 01:29:06 EST
From: Devs0432 <Devs0432@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: rank spice and the bad ole commercialism
Message-ID: <5cb5c50a.34b866b4@aol.com>

    >And b20AAB4ATQABAAAA yourself, asshole!  Dream Theater has and always 
>will be prog metal!  How dare you compare their capabilities to the 
>Presidents of the United States and the Spice Girls!  Spice Girls are 
>better prog?  What the fuck are you smoking?  This world really is goin' 
>to hell in a handbasket.

    What more can I add? 
Any comparison to the Spice Girls is enough to make me sick.

    >Gee, Metallica isn't doing too bad in the charts right now....

    Yeah, commercial success up the wazoo.  Of course, as has been so avidly
discussed here of late, commercial success doesn't equal quality in any way
shape or form.  Those two are still seperate, thank heaven!  And the quality
has been sadly lacking in Metallica since Load (of crap...to palgiarize :P).

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    Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 23:30:35 -0700
From: "Eddie the Flying Gimp" <washburn@cyberhighway.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Portnoy plays with me.
Message-ID: <01bd1e5a$6c978080$95e21ace@korgx3>

    >something like.. "here, lemme get on the piano.." and starts doing the
>rest with petrucci???

    You didn't pay attention to when he grabbed the guitar from JP then didya?
:)  heheh.  He was actually showing JP how to play.  hahahahah.  As a casual
observer confided in me the other day, "Dream Theater is probably just
Mike's band."  heheh.  And even if it is, I couldn't love 'em any more. :)

    >The encoded binary attachments are the worst offense of all.

    Actually, I find them somewhat amusing.  If you put yourself in the right
frame of mind and lstare at them, a hidden picture emerges.  Last night I
saw one with furry little chinchillas armed with hand-grenades marching
toward Saudi Arabia.

    >Mike Portnoy has and will always look great in pink spandex

    Hmm.  I've always thougth James looked better in those tight, leather pants,
myself.

    Washburn
"Yut, duh, duh-da, ya-da-dah, dut, duh, duh!" - Derek S.

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    Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 02:08:42 -0500 (EST)
From: PhReEkY dEeK <lerxst@wam.umd.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Transcription of Keyboard interview with Derek
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.95q.980111020433.27675A-100000@rac8.wam.umd.edu>

       Since someone here asked for it a couple of issues back, I've
transcribed Derek's interview in Keyboard. It's at 
http://www.wam.umd.edu/~lerxst/derek_interview.html for your reading
pleasure. Anyone with a DT page can feel free to take this and archive
it someplace more appropriate.

    Enjoy!
- Ilya

    No bass, no peace			           /\
Know bass, know peace		                /\/  \    /\       /\       
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