YTSEJAM Digest 3410
Today's Topics:
1) Apology
by "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
2) Apology
by "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
3) Re: Hypocritical Mr.Brito NO SPOILERS
by Graham Boyle <icarus@sydey.net>
4) Oops
by Graham Boyle <icarus@sydey.net>
5) "Deadline" for xmas CD
by Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
6) Re: Remote control and guitar
by "Anders Olsson" <scarred@hem2.passagen.se>
7) The Hartford show from my perspective
by Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
8) Sick of people licking DT's ass...
by Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
9) Re: Remote Controls
by Robin Fernie <gecko@netcafe.co.za>
10) The XMAS CD
by RGZ321P <RGZ321P@aol.com>
11) YNM on VA/WashDC radio...
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
12) Re: Good Marillion Album to Start With?
by Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
13) Saturday Night at Jaxx
by Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com>
14) Re: Hypocritical Mr.Brito NO SPOILERS
by rbrito@ime.usp.br (Rogerio Brito)
15) Re: Skipping DT songs
by rbrito@ime.usp.br (Rogerio Brito)
16) Re: Is it just me or what?
by rbrito@ime.usp.br (Rogerio Brito)
17) Re: Myung and fecal odor.
by rbrito@ime.usp.br (Rogerio Brito)
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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 19:46:13 +1100
From: "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Apology
Message-ID: <199801040849.TAA06257@armstrong.apic.net>
to Roger for my last post was supposed to go direct to him and not the jam.
graham
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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 19:46:13 +1100
From: "Graham Boyle" <icarus@sydney.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Apology
Message-ID: <199801040850.TAA06348@armstrong.apic.net>
to Roger for my last post was supposed to go direct to him and not the jam.
graham
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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 19:47:46 +1000
From: Graham Boyle <icarus@sydey.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Hypocritical Mr.Brito NO SPOILERS
Message-ID: <34AF4CB1.7C697977@sydey.net>
Sorry this was supposed to go direct to Roger and not the jam.
graham
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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 20:07:26 +1000
From: Graham Boyle <icarus@sydey.net>
To: "ytsejam@ax.com" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Oops
Message-ID: <34AF514E.8EFA0968@sydey.net>
Sorry, I just started using Nutscrape Communicator mail
and as you have seen I am having some problems.
graham
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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 13:08:00 +0100
From: Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl>
To: "'Ytsejam'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: "Deadline" for xmas CD
Message-ID: <01BD1929.674D13A0@McCoy.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>
Shawn Carroll asked :
> Has anyone out there that is expecting to receive an XMAS CD still
> without it?
Yup, most people don't have it yet, as far as I know. Trust me, you'll
know when everyone has it. That's when the shit hits the fan and we'll
start receiving 5-6 digests a day again... You know, people saying how
much it "sucks" or "rules". Posts from people who are disappointed and
posts from people who will point out that it is free. The usual stuff.
> I still haven't received mine yet and I'm getting anxious!
Denis Schoen from the Dutch DT fanclub posted last week, that we could
expect the CD within the next two weeks. So, have a bit more patience,
it's on it's way over. :-)
What I would like to know is this. What's the "deadline" for people to
subscribe to an official fanclub and still get a copy of the xmas CD ?
Whenever I come across a DT fan, I use the xmas CD to convince them to
join an official fanclub... I'd hate for them to join and not get one.
Of course the fanzines by themselves are reason enough to join... ;-)
Mark
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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 20:20:14 +0100
From: "Anders Olsson" <scarred@hem2.passagen.se>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: Remote control and guitar
Message-ID: <199801041922.UAA18374@Grynet.passagen.se>
Hi!
You must be thinking of Mattias "IA" Eklundh of the swedish metalband Freak
Kitchen. I don't know
much about guitars and guitarists, but he's the only one I've heard of
who's doing this remoter-control stuff. It sounds awesome, like a
machine-gun or some nice double bassdrum-kicking :-)
I was very lucky and had the oppurtunity to see him play live where I live
(the south of Sweden) about a month ago. It was sort of a combined show and
clinic. He had the hose-clip you're talking about mounted on one of his
fingers and he made some pretty odd noises when using it. He sure is one
hell of a guitarplayer, and he's a lot of fun too.
I also saw Freak Kitchen (his band) play live here last winter, and it
kicked much ass. The other guys can really play too. They have two albums
out. Appetizer and Spanking Hour. I only have Spanking Hour (their latest
release), and it's very good. Check it out if you can find it!
For more info, check out their Official Homepage:
http://home6.swipnet.se/~w-60651/
/Anders Olsson
Scarred on IRC
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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 14:25:45 -0500
From: Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The Hartford show from my perspective
Message-ID: <34AFE239.2E8B@ic3.ithaca.edu>
Well Hartford kicked major ass. I'm not writing about it until now cuz
I had to take 2 days to try and remember everything about it. I cant
remember the setlist in order but here are all the songs that were
played:
Ytsejam, Pull Me Under, Metropolis I (encore), Under A Glass Moon,
Voices, The Silent Man, Puppies on Acid, Lie, ACOS - Part VI The
Inevitable Summer, New Millennium, You Not Me, Peruvian Skies, Hollow
Years, Burning My Soul, Lines in The Sand, Just Let Me Breathe, and a
tiny bit of Smoke on the Water (it was a joke).
The opening band, whose name escapes me right now was pretty damn good.
Apparently, they're all Berklee dropouts. They also opened the Roxy
show in Boston a couple months ago. I was able to confirm this because
my friend that I brought is a Berklee student as well and she saw the
Roxy show.
After they left, I heard a bunch of stuff being played. I'm not
familiar with the DT songs that did not make FII, but I assume some of
those were played because I recognized it as DT. Then there was the
Rooster song, and everyone in the place was singing along to it. Then
following that was the theme to A Clockwork Orange. And then the Boys
came out and started the show with LITS.
* During the mosh pit some girl got decked in the face and had to be
carried away. (I fucking hate mosh pits especially at DT.)
* During JLMB, there was a mike problem and KJL ran after the sound
dude, but MP sang the next verse and it was pretty cool. But no one got
to sing the MTV verse which pissed me off cuz that's my favorite part of
the song.
* During YNM, KJL pointed at JP on the "You" part and then when he said
"Not Me," he pointed at himself. And that's totally true because even
thoguh KJL is a strong part of the band, the musicians are the ones that
people care about more. I can really relate to that being a King
Crimson fan.
* The drum solo in Ytsejam kicked ass.
* The highlights of the show had to be Ytsejam, Metropolis (I almost
pissed my pants out of excitement on this one), Lie, and Peruvian
Skies.
* I was hoping they would surprise us with Metropolis II, but
unfortunately, they did not.
Overall, the show ranks up there as one of the three best shows I've
ever seen...the other ones being Queensryche August 3rd of the last year
in Hartford and George Clinton at Ithaca College (my school). All I
know is the next time DT is anywhere within a 200 mile radius of me, I'm
there.
Chris
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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 19:17:07 +0100
From: Seroussi <seroussi@algonet.se>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Sick of people licking DT's ass...
Message-ID: <34AFD223.42495C5F@algonet.se>
Ok, I was away for a week and I'd like to make a point about DT's lyrics vs. music
(since I basically started that discussion)
If DT wrote music on the level of Greenday and had the same lyrics as they do now
I wouldn't have listened to them.
If DT wrote lyrics on the level of Greenday and had the same music as they do (did)
now I would have still listened to them.
Is this the case to everyone on this list? Because this was the point I was trying
to make all the time...
---- Well, I think it's time to post some of my opinions about FII and new DT in general...First of all, I think it would have been much better if HK was still a part of BMS. The FII BMS sounds like an average metallica song and nothing more, yet the fix shows' BMS had a more DT sound and sounded more unique.
YNM, HY, TAMP & AL just ruin the flow and focus of the album...why does DT always have to ruin their albums with boring pop ballads? (I&W being the exception)
What's up with writing about every radio station you heard DT on, any chart DT made it into, etc (as Ivan-Assen Ivanov put it "I heard DT on the radio, oh joyous hour!"). It's not a surprise that with their most commercial release they would get recognition from the radio, it's certainly not because of their musical talent (professional player magazines excluded).
---- > From: MellowD502 <MellowD502@aol.com> > > YOU SPOILED F**K!!!! > This is a GIFT from DT and the fan clubs. You didn't have to pay a penny extra > for it.
Many people joined the club for this CD and they have every right to be disappointed and voice their disappointment.
---- > From: hwoodson <hwoodson@ix.netcom.com> > > I TOTALLY agree , graham....ALL of their songs are great songs!
DT r00lz d00d!!!11111111!1!!!!1 Alwyz have and alwyz will!!!111!!!!!11!1!
> If one > doesn't appeal to you as much as another...simply listen to it anyway
I refuse to listen to a song I don't like a million times until I delude myself into thinking I like it.
> and allow yourselves to be open minded enough
Well, I've seen this quotation on this list a while ago and I guess it's time to repost it...
'Being open minded is good, but not so much that your brains fall out' -- Carl Sagan
> to appreciate it's talent, feel, and
If a band puts out one/many good songs it doesn't mean all of them would be like that.
> (perfect) execution musically.
The studio version is always executed perfectly.
> Remember that every song you > hear was first a feeling and an idea that these GREAT musicians had in > their head(s)
Great musicians with no creativity will not create good songs.
This is not the case with DT but I do think some of their songs are boring and it took less creativity to create them...
> and were awesome enough to pick up instruments and > recreate those emotions through their playing well enough for
gee, "we're not worthy! we're not worthy!" - Wayne's World 2 (I think...)
> ANY open minded person (musicians especially) to appreciate.
Are you saying that Hollow Years is a musically brilliant song?
> -----just a thought! :)
I thought sheep can't think...
---- > From: Ole Ernstsen <0402@post6.tele.dk> > > Poul w. cashman if you dont want to read some post > you just can skip it.
Then it's ok to post just everything to the jam?
> I find it interesting to see what all ytsejammers are up to.
Ok, this morning I woke up, showered and...oh, never mind...
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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 20:49:41 From: Robin Fernie <gecko@netcafe.co.za> To: YTSEJAM digest <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Remote Controls Message-ID: <3.0.5.16.19980104204941.2287146a@netcafe.co.za>
I'm not sure, but this sounds like the type of thing Reeves Gabrels would do.He's also into using vibrators as a sort of E-Bow, and getting non-players to tune his guitar, just to see what sort of tuning it ends up in. He played for Tin Machine and is on tour pretty permanently with David Bowie. If I'm wrong, then I have no idea.
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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 14:40:20 EST From: RGZ321P <RGZ321P@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: The XMAS CD Message-ID: <4f1a0e6.34afe5a6@aol.com>
Hello Fello DT Fans
Can someone help me out? I keep hearing of the "Xmas CD" and "Metropolis Part 2." What is everyone talking about? Are these Dream Theater things? And if so, how can I get them? Please reply to me directly...I don't always read all the Ytsejam mails. I'm at RGZ321P@aol.com. I would appreciate it!
Chris
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Date: Sun, 4 Jan 1998 15:25:05 -0500 (EST) From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: YNM on VA/WashDC radio... Message-ID: <v01520d00b0d55a140371@[207.90.117.211]>
I was out visiting a friend in Leesburg, Virginia, and on 97.8 (I think) I heard "You Not Me"...TWICE!! Once in the evening about 9pm, and once at around 2 or 3pm in the afternoon. SAure, there are way better songs on the album,m but at least this is a step in the right direction. At least this radio station is playing the follow-up single, and not just stopping after BMS.
Anybody else heard it on their local rock radio? Hopefully it will stick (at least a bit) in the national radio airplay...
Dan
---+ +--- Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm (at) erinet (dot) com Galactic Cowboys on the Web...muh!? http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm ---+ +---
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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 17:03:04 -0500 From: Chris Calabrese <ccalabr1@ic3.ithaca.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Good Marillion Album to Start With? Message-ID: <34B00718.196A@ic3.ithaca.edu>
> Hey Jammers!
> I've heard so much about Marrilion here, I want to buy an album of > theirs. > Can anyone reccommend a good one to start with? Thanks !
Get either CLUTCHING AT STRAWS or MISPLACED CHILDHOOD. Make sure you get something with Fish on vocals. He's awesome...sounds a lot like Peter Gabriel.
Chris
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Date: Sun, 04 Jan 1998 17:37:54 -0500 From: Kevin Madden <kwmadden@pipeline.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Saturday Night at Jaxx Message-ID: <1.5.4.32.19980104223754.0068ad44@pop.pipeline.com>
Last night I had the honor of paying 27 dollars to see DT in a club. The night started out with the obligatory dinner at the Franconia Pizza shop, where, dumb as I must be, I ordered a gyro. Yuck. It tasted like it had been sitting in the refrigerator for two years, waiting for a customer stupid enough to order it, then tossed in the microwave for a few seconds. Crisp pita bread, cold meat, and wilted lettuce. Yum, yum. Hung out with fellow jammers Pat D, Jason H, Steve Z and Mike B. Cool. Watched football. Lousy Vikings! There were people in line 1 1/2 hours before the doors opened. Bad sign #1. So we wait in line. It's not cold. Under 21 dude in front of us is sweating getting in the club. The Aerosmith show is all ages at the Cap Centre...shitkickers. Behind us is a couple who needed to get a room the entire night. Mmm, young love. Bad sign #2. So we get in, and there are already several people clumped up front, an opposite to the Fates show a couple of weeks ago. Ok, so we chill. Beer is a little warm, a harbinger of bad sign #3. It's getting warm in here, isn't it? We wait. Later as opposed to sooner Big Wreck comes on. They really suck. Not Cornell noodles. Fat-ass couple squeeze in front of me. Bad sign #4. Fat-ass woman decides to light up. Thanks. She likes to extend her elbow into my side. Thanks. She begins to sweat, exacerbating bad sign #3. Off comes a layer of clothing. Man, it's hot. No, I don't mind if you step on my foot. Mmm, cigarette smoke. I love it. Big Wreck mercifully ends its set. On comes the unreleased DT. Cool. Bad sign #1 increases bad sign #3. Bad sign #4 makes #3 worse. Follow that? Lotta fucking people, high temperature. Smelly people in close quarters. Hey, didn't this happen last year? Birch Hell? Yeah. DT takes the stage. There is no room on the floor. Fat couple stand behind bad sign #2, becoming a version of young love, perhaps hippo love. But smoking. And stinking. Signs, signs, everywhere there are signs...DT comes out sharp. They sound much, much better than they did at the Ballroom in DC last month. JLB is in much better form. Portnoy is an animal, it's true. Can you hack a few more loogies? A strange woman fondles Steve. She moves on to fondle several others as the night went on. Leather Jacket and Sasquatch bump through Pat. Bad sign #4 leave, possibly overheated. Bad sign #2 keep going. Get a room! Bad signs #1 and #3 are really cooking (heh heh). DT plays a few different songs this time around. YNM sounds better than it does on the cd. Nirvana follows. Leather Jacket gets tossed out of the way by Studious Boy Wonder. Sasquatch is in full effect. Show ends. Knees ache. Feet sore. Bad signs #1 and #3 are over - the people go home. It was fun. Bad sign #2 still kissing, no doubt. Bad Sign #4 still stupid, ugly and fat. Repeat entire session in a few months.
Green Bay Packers - The Quest to Repeat - Detroit Red Wings 14-3 25-10-8 at San Francisco 49ers at Chicago Blackhawks
Kevin
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Date: 4 Jan 1998 23:43:59 -0000 From: rbrito@ime.usp.br (Rogerio Brito) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Hypocritical Mr.Brito NO SPOILERS Message-ID: <dPnY0MlyZEpf092yn@ime.usp.br>
In article <199801040239.NAA23640@armstrong.apic.net>, you wrote:
[tracklist of "FII Demos" deleted, a bootleg]
>So why did you post the XMas CD track listing without any 'spoilers' >when previously you have asked others to do so ? >This is very hypocritical Roger, and judging from the number of >people on #ytsejam IRC I am not alone in being pissed off with you >for posting this.
People should pay more attention when reading the 'jam to avoid embarrassing posts.
[]s, The Hypocrite... :-) -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: 4 Jan 1998 23:43:59 -0000 From: rbrito@ime.usp.br (Rogerio Brito) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Skipping DT songs Message-ID: <HWnY0MlyZIxO092yn@ime.usp.br>
In article <01BD17C9.0F283300@Lwaxana.startrek.GlobalXS.nl>, Mark Bredius <bredius@globalxs.nl> wrote: > >> I never skip any songs on any DT albums :) > > That's what seperates the *real* fans from the casual ones. ;-)
I'm fan of *no* band. I really choose what I wanna hear. :-) > (Itchy runs for cover... HEY... I was only kidding !!!... sorta)
(Me also runs for cover... :-) And I wasn't kidding... :-) ) > Seriously, I love all DT songs. Sure, I like some of them better > than others... but never to the point that I skip songs or say I
I have no fear in admitting that I *do* skip songs. If they don't please me, I skip them (not always, but I skip them). I don't always skip the songs because they can eventually grow on me ("New Millennium", for instance).
On the other hand, what I really *don't* skip from this new album is "Burning My Kitchen in the Sand". What at masterpiece! From its beginning to its last note, I love this song. > smile ;-)
Have a BIG Smile, "The Ack! mode poster"... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: 4 Jan 1998 23:44:00 -0000 From: rbrito@ime.usp.br (Rogerio Brito) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Is it just me or what? Message-ID: <gynY0MlyZgPS092yn@ime.usp.br>
In article <343F4C25.5AA8@Netvision.net.il>, you wrote: > >Which reminds me: Have anyone noticed that in the "Live in Tokyo" video, >the very end of TTT is the 6/4 part from the end of TKH?
Well, that version from the LiT video is indeed really cool, but what scares me the most from that video is the jazzy solo after "To Live Forever". Man, that's simply incredible! I've been listening to it non-stop now and I simply can't get tired of it. BTW, after TLF, at the end of the solo (it's different from the one on LiT) on the boot "Lost in the Sky" (and also Mike Bahr's "When Dream and Today Unite"), there are some bits of a "Another Hand", the "intro" to THK. Very interesting also. >Bye, >-- > Shai Yallin - Kurush on #YTSEJAM
[]s, Roger... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 06 Nov 1997 21:09:59 -0500 From: rbrito@ime.usp.br (Rogerio Brito) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Myung and fecal odor. Message-ID: <3hnY0MlyZUVO092yn@ime.usp.br>
In article <3.0.32.19970923202323.0083cc60@postoffice.syspac.com>, you wrote: > >About 9:40 or so into LitS, Myung has this little all-harmonic bass fill. >I was just thinking, man, I wish my farts could sound like that. That'd be >cool.
This has got to be one of the funniest things that I have ever read here... :-)
>;)~ > >_Guess who?_
Vince! :-) []s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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