YTSEJAM Digest 3463
Today's Topics:
1) DT MOD!!
by O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net>
2) You Or Me Radio Dialogue
by Nick Bogovich <bogie@Sage-Enterprises.com>
3) improvising (DS vs KM, maybe)
by Marc van der Wal <marq@dds.nl>
4) The bootless strikes back
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
5) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3460
by SchnippX <SchnippX@aol.com>
6) prism records
by Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
7) CD-R's (NDTC)
by Todd <twwilso@students.uiuc.edu>
8) Re: New DT / King's X member collaboration
by Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
9) You Or Me Radio Dialogue
by Nicholas Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
10) Re: The bootless strikes back
by Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
11) Ken Myung
by Charlie M <0_mnedell@FAIR1.FAIRFIELD.EDU>
12) Prism (yep, another one) and Birthdays
by "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
13) Re: A Question About Manowar (NDTC)
by MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com>
14) Re: New Crimson Glory (NDTC)
by MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com>
15) DT 'subtraction'
by "Woolcock" <woolcock@pl.camtech.net.au>
16) Echolyn
by Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu>
17) Emerson, Lake & Palmer
by rbrito@ime.usp.br (Rogerio Brito)
18) stuff
by strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling)
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 21:55:32 +0200
From: O-P Komonen <op777@surffi.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: DT MOD!!
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980115215532.006b9f6c@mail.surffi.net>
I was scanning the user homepaes and what did I find?? one guy has made a
DT MOD! this is the first one I have seen.. it's at
http://www.surffi.net/~stone/work.html
click on Dream Theater.... and send the guy some e-mail :)
op777
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Olli-Pekka Komonen snail:Kutojantie 2, 13720 Parola, Finland
e-mail: opk@hlti.fi phn:+358-3-6715036 cell:+358-400-498 266
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"YOUTAKEMYLIFEANDI'LLTAKEYOUR'STOO!!!" -Kevin Moore
"Very positive message" -James LaBrie
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:53:09 -0500
From: Nick Bogovich <bogie@Sage-Enterprises.com>
To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com>
Cc: "'bostonjam@dreamt.org'" <bostonjam@dreamt.org>
Subject: You Or Me Radio Dialogue
Message-ID: <95D0B9C9CE8BD111B8DE0060971611D501263D@BUDLITE>
I have come to the conclusion that the radio samples used
at the end of You Not Me and You Or Me are the same, with
the exception that You Not Me has both channels cut off
at the song's end.
What are the two channels talking about? Well, here is what
I could interpret.
In You Or Me on the left channel, which starts around 5:38,
a man is talking about the antichrist to some interviewer
Some of his dialogue includes, "My position was that if
anybody who's a Christian would go there, they're not only
allotting themselves to the demagogue, they're allotting
themselves to the antichrist! Which by the way, this man
is an antichrist. ...some more statements...
(Other person "Did you see the video")
I didn't need to see the video to call the guy an antichrist..."
In the right channel, the dialogue begins around 5:52.
The only dialogue I can make out while the song is playing
is "If you can truly appreciate..." and then obviously is the
sentence about how Jesus came to this world to save us
from our sins.
If anyone else can make out any of the dialogue, email me.
I'm interested in trying to comprehend this radio chatter.
Later,
Bogie
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:55:14 +0100 (MET)
From: Marc van der Wal <marq@dds.nl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: improvising (DS vs KM, maybe)
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.90.980115203623.23714A@fatima.dds.nl>
I just read an interview in a dutch magazine, where JLB says that Kevin
Moore couldn't improvise and Derek can. So now they can do more
improvising during concerts.
I don't really understand this comparison, because I think every player
can improvise. It's just that the better you can handle your instrument,
the better your improvisations might get. Of course Derek has more a jazz
background, so maybe that's what he meant.
I read that JP said he didn't like to improvise either, and he wrote his
'improvised' solos before the show, or something. I wonder how much
improvising they do during this tour. Anyone know about this?
Marc
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:05:26 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The bootless strikes back
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980115145000.25111B-100000@bdmserver>
Al B driveled:
>> If you guys keep this up I will bring back the Pat vs Al debate...
>> But unlike the Mike vs Chris debate, this is a 100% one sided debate.
>
> Nah, not a debate, nor one sided....equally unecessary on the
> Jam however...... :)
>
Not that I care anymore, but when he says crap like the above, I have to
reply.
How more one sided can you get?
1.A trade is setup.
2.I send tapes to Al within a week.
3.Al sends me nothing.
Does anyone else think this is not one sided? I'd really like to know?
>>
>> still waiting on my tapes from the trade-oh I forgot that I gave Al a
>> pardon...
>>
>
> Ohhh, touche! nice cheap shot..........while we're at it.....
Obviously, I am not as cheap as you. I sent you the tapes I promised. You
sent me NADA! Doh! I guess I just gave you another reason not to send me
anything... Just use the money for what you owe me on all the cds that
you buy regularly and review here on the jam. Just buy something good.
Now back to the third installment of the saga-Return of the Someone...
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| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
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| Upon the murder scene of a NY Yankee fan at Camden Yards: |
| "I didn't know that was illegal in Baltimore"-Munch on Homicide |
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:06:46 EST
From: SchnippX <SchnippX@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3460
Message-ID: <7bf6c12f.34be6c59@aol.com>
Hi people,
without further ado, I'd like to say hello after watching quietly for about a
week.
I saw that there are even some German fans - those who are around Hamburg,
please contact me.
To get some own opinion, I can only say that I saw DT 3 times in one year and
it was always a holy-day and - everybody should be proud to produce something
like FII, but face it - maybe its not the shredding everybody wants (I just
wait for M Part II), but it's still a fucking good piece of music.
By the way, how can I purchase a NHL jersey: Canada National Team No. 94
Shanahan ?
I hope this works so bye and hello to all you jammers
see ya
s.
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:33:53 -0500 (EST)
From: Pat Daugherty <pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com>
To: Dream Theater Mailing List <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: prism records
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.980115151625.25111C-100000@bdmserver>
I've thought about this and decided to post... I would say this belongs
on the jam since Prism records is the biggest source for DT boot cds.
The reason why Mike thinks it is fine for people to wait months for cds
is because he is the market for DT boots. I agree that Mike should clear
out his backorder before he starts new projects. I dont know how his
system works but if he says he has sent out 1-xxx of a boot title then
everyone up to xxx should have that cd within a week (in the US) via the
slowest of snail mail. If this doesn't happen then Mike is a liar.
Come on, Mike clear up you back order. Your back order should be cleared
out whenever it takes longer than 6-8 weeks to get a cd to someone after
they paid for it. It is poor business to treat customers like crap. It is
ridiculous to have someone wait 10 months for a cd. It is also ridiculous
to ignore email from customers with ligitimate complaints and concerns.
Another good reason to clear out your back order is the fact that if you
dont, some of your customers waiting 10 months will go to the better
business bureau or seek you up on mail fraud and you will be in big
trouble. I'm not currently owed anything from Mike and I am very hesitant
about ordering anything else just due mainly to the length of time to get
my cd plus the emails with "what's the deal with my cd?" that I have to
send.
If there was someone else out there making same quality cds and better
service, Mike would be out of business.
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| Pat Daugherty pdaugher@bdmserver.mcl.bdm.com |
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| Upon the murder scene of a NY Yankee fan at Camden Yards: |
| "I didn't know that was illegal in Baltimore"-Munch on Homicide |
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:37:52 -0600 (CST)
From: Todd <twwilso@students.uiuc.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: CD-R's (NDTC)
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.96.980115143455.4349A-100000@ux8.cso.uiuc.edu>
does anyone know what the differnece is when buying blank cd's why some of
them cost about $5 a piece for a package of 10 and why others cost $2 a
piece? i was at best buy and the maxell brand package of 10 cost $50 and
the generec brand cds cost $20 for a package of 10. why is there such a
big price difference? is there any difference in quality like its error
probability or being able to be read in more players or something like
that? thanks for your help.
todd
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 07:36:41 +1000
From: Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: New DT / King's X member collaboration
Message-ID: <34BE7359.81D329EA@sydney.net>
Tom Baddley wrote:
> YES!!!! Now I've got 6 must-get CD's coming out this year:
> DT's Metropolis Pt. II EP
This I found on Syrinx' web page at :
http://www.mindspring.com/~syrinx/dt.htm
Metropolis II,
originally thought to be recorded for an EP this summer, has been pushed
back. According to Mike Portnoy, he wants to release the near 30 minute
opus with the next full studio album. Mike also informed me that the
band
should be back in the states as early as June (he's hoping) so expect a
summer/fall tour!!!
I haven't seen any mention of this here and remember don't
shoot the messenger :)
graham
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 15:44:11 EST
From: Nicholas Bogovich <bogie@MIT.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: You Or Me Radio Dialogue
Message-ID: <199801152044.PAA07977@helpdesk3.MIT.EDU>
I have come to the conclusion that the radio samples used
at the end of You Not Me and You Or Me are the same, with
the exception that You Not Me has both channels cut off
at the song's end.
What are the two channels talking about? Well, here is what
I could interpret.
In You Or Me on the left channel, which starts around 5:38,
a man is talking about the antichrist to some interviewer
Some of his dialogue includes, "My position was that if
anybody who's a Christian would go there, they're not only
allotting themselves to the demagogue, they're allotting
themselves to the antichrist! Which by the way, this man
is an antichrist. ...some more statements...
(Other person "Did you see the video")
I didn't need to see the video to call the guy an antichrist..."
In the right channel, the dialogue begins around 5:52.
The only dialogue I can make out while the song is playing
is "If you can truly appreciate..." and then obviously is the
sentence about how Jesus came to this world to save us
from our sins.
If anyone else can make out any of the dialogue, email me.
I'm interested in trying to comprehend this radio chatter.
Later,
Bogie
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:09:05 +1000
From: Graham Boyle <icarus@sydney.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: The bootless strikes back
Message-ID: <34BE7AF1.8A7F05FA@sydney.net>
Pat Daugherty wrote:
> How more one sided can you get?
>
> 1.A trade is setup.
> 2.I send tapes to Al within a week.
> 3.Al sends me nothing.
Ah the re-run of the Al & Pat show once again :)
While there are plenty of reasons that this shouldn't
be fought out on the jam, there is one good reason
why it should !
It is a timely reminder for all newbies to the list
that Al is a bad trader and shows no shame in the
fact that he ripped off Pat.
graham
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:18:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: Charlie M <0_mnedell@FAIR1.FAIRFIELD.EDU>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Ken Myung
Message-ID: <Pine.PMDF.3.91.980115161652.218379A-100000@FAIR1.FAIRFIELD.EDU>
I remember a while back the question was raised if John Myung has a
brother that looks like him. I have a friend who went to colege with him
and got backstage passes via Ken for the CPI show a while back. I guess
he still lives on LI. I wonder if John does also????? See ya.
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Matthew G. Nedell
0_mnedell@fair1.fairfield.edu
1-203-256-6222
"If it's not in 2.35, I'm not watching it."
Words to live by as proclaimed by James LaBrie-
"I won't give up till I've no more to give, NO MORE TO GIVE!"
"I said, 'I love you........................good-bye'"
"So speak................I'm right here!"
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 18:26:59 -0500
From: "TheCowGod" <dmc@dreamt.org>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Prism (yep, another one) and Birthdays
Message-ID: <000a01bd220d$14555da0$1cc95bd1@emc.caribe.net>
OK, people, everyone seems to be jumping on the bandwagon and criticizing
Mike Bahr for his 10-month backlog on TDOW, PT, etc. I just wanted to
remind everyone that these 4 cds were exceptions, as a result of a bad
decision he made. He has apologized profusely, and i personally DON'T want
t hear any more apologizing :) I understand that people are currently
getting new orders in a timely fashion, and the backlog (in which i am
included - PT) should be taken care of soon. I understand, and i'm wiling
to wait (yes, even longer than 10 months, because the other Bahr CDs i've
ordered have been delivered quickly). Why can't we let bygones be bygones
and enjoy Bahr's boots (all except for you, Mads :)? Don't assume that
because he messed up once and got a huge backlog that this is the way he
runs his business. I do agree, however, with KAI's suggestion that Bahr
stop releasing new projects until he gets rid of this backlog. However, it
sounds like the backlog will be eliminated before his next project is done
anyway. But i'd reccommend continuing working as he is, fulfilling the
backlog orers as well as the current ones, because it's not fair to make
the new customers wait in order to fill the old orders (if he did that, he
WOULD get huge backlogs regularly). Umm, and stuff.
And contributing to the shared birthdays thread (cuz you know i'm just a
little trendchaser), i have the same birthday as Albert Einstein, only 101
years later. March 14, 1980 is mine.1879 for him. And i failed math 2 of my
4 high school years! I must be Einstein reincarnated.
OK, well, that's enough out of me. For now. Muhahahaha! Whoa. I said moo
and didn't even notice. I amaze myself sometimes. Heehee. Lata moo!!
--Dan McCormack dmc@dreamt.org http://premium.caribe.net/~emc/
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:37:58 EST From: MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: A Question About Manowar (NDTC) Message-ID: <50b945c3.34be8fc8@aol.com>
Hey again -
Got an open question to any Manowar fan, since I would consider myself somewhat of a novice regarding Manowar. I was jamming to their Best Of the other day, and I was really getting into their song "Herz Aus Stahl". It sounds like German, and I am guessing that it translates to "Hell Of Steel", since that's the title of the compilation. :-) Anyway, my question is does that song appear anywhere sung in English? Maybe their new double live or a B-Side? I really want an English-sung recording of the song cuz the melodies and music are great. Private e-mail please, or post to the Jam if you think it's worthwhile. Thanks again in advance...
- Matt T.
BTW, if anyone can forward me the complete track listing of their new double live album, I'd be much obliged. :-)
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:32:44 EST From: MTeiper <MTeiper@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: New Crimson Glory (NDTC) Message-ID: <77fda741.34be8e9a@aol.com>
Hey -
Does anyone have any info on the new Crimson Glory? Is it even out yet? If it is, is it any good? I've seen an ad for it being "in transit", but it's been like that for a couple months now. Sumthin's fishy. :-)
Thaingks... Matt T.
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:26:13 +1030 From: "Woolcock" <woolcock@pl.camtech.net.au> To: "YtseJam Mailing List" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: DT 'subtraction' Message-ID: <199801152255.JAA03860@goliath.camtech.com.au>
While the cows were being served tea and biscuits on a concorde heading for home, Mark McEuen said: > say is, I'm glad Kevin Shirley wasn't around to make a few "subtractions" > while they were recording I&W.
I agree 100% here, I think that the more notes and key changes and time signatures that DT can cram into their songs and still sound great, the better. Look at LTL - one of the coolest songs on I&W - thank god that there were no 'subtractions' from this.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ Shane Woolcock - woolcock@pl.camtech.net.au WWW - http://rampage.ml.org/sector1/~samah/ "Lifting shadows off a Dream once broken She can turn a drop of water into an ocean" - DT ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 17:26:58 -0600 From: Seth Hatlelid <srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Echolyn Message-ID: <l03130300b0e449656019@[128.252.105.105]>
Hiya, Sorry I havn't posted in a while but I havn't seen a thread that excited me in the least, (Flames just don't get me going although I do support Bahr).
My question is this: would anybody who has the cabability be willing to make a CD-R of the Pre-As teh World Echolyn disks? Before anyone goes screaming about bootlegging and stuff I am ONLY asking for this because all of the past disks are out of print (I did buy As The World and am still looking for When the Sweet turns to Sour on disk so that the former members of Echolyn can get their money). I have searched everywhere for backlogged disks. I even asked the guitar player of Still (now called Almost Always) and the keyboard player for Finneaus Guage all to no avail. I have these tapes due to D-man and another cool guy but I REALLY want them on disk so I can listen to them in my car. If anyone is willing to sell me an original copy of any early Echolyn work I would be MOST grateful and be willing to pay decently for it. If no one is willing to give up their original, could anyone PLEASE help me with the CD-R's?
Thanks a billion,
Seth Hatlelid srhatlel@artsci.wustl.edu
Check out my web page at http://artsci.wustl.edu/~srhatlel/index.html
"After the confession of sins and before the Act of Contrition, the priest is supposed to ask, Do you sincerely resolve not to commit this sins again? But Father McSwain's hurry-up version was more like "Commit these sins again?-to which I could have sincerely answered yes." -Michael Ryan, Secret Life
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Date: Mon, 17 Nov 1997 21:37:39 -0500 From: rbrito@ime.usp.br (Rogerio Brito) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Emerson, Lake & Palmer Message-ID: <z9Pc0MlyZoMV092yn@ime.usp.br>
Wow! This mailing list is good (even with those occasional flame-wars)!!! Thank you very much to all the people who told me to get another ELP album (I was trying to get into their music with their "In the Hot Seat"). I just rented their "The Best of Emerson, Lake & Palmer" and it is truly full of those "sick" passages which I was looking for. Definitely worth listening to see what you like the most and then buying the albums that contain the songs. My favorites are "Tarkus", "From the Beginning" and "Karn Evil 9".
Thank you very much, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 1998 20:40:36 -0500 From: strategy@45150.com (Jeff Keifling) To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: stuff Message-ID: <v01530521b0e466d13611@[209.50.100.122]>
Hey did I see somebody on here who said they were an entertainment attorney... email me.
>>think the point is that Mike is cashing customers checks and then waiting >>8 to 10 >>months (or more) to get them their CD's. That is just insane, and >>unprofessional.
Think of the profit of 8 month's interest at 12% you can rake in before paying out expenses. Other businesses do this but they call it a rebate. Oh is this debate over? sorry!
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