YTSEJAM Digest 3466
Today's Topics:
1) Re: Prism, etc...
by Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
2) You or Me
by "Patrick Sebel" <PATRICK@aowserver.phys.tue.nl>
3) Re: DTIFC mail and I&W CD
by calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro)
4) Prism records
by "Patrick Sebel" <PATRICK@aowserver.phys.tue.nl>
5) Re: DTIFC mail
by Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu>
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3465 : Playstation/N64 NDTC
by "Matt Evans" <bmajik@abeln621a.unl.edu>
7) Re: Holy shit!
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
8) Rock 103.5
by "Elvis" <elvis@som.com>
9) Re: DTIFC mail
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
10) DT Underoos
by "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com>
11) What Christmas CD?
by Angus53 <Angus53@aol.com>
12) Read: Bitching and more....
by James Utz <james.utz@usa.net>
13) Re: DT Underoos
by Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
14) Re: What Christmas CD?
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
15) Winter Rose
by "Michael J. Emerson" <cthulhu@CYBERNEX.NET>
16) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3463
by Angellaa <Angellaa@aol.com>
17) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3464
by Angellaa <Angellaa@aol.com>
18) Re: Kansas
by Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com>
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:49:04 -0500
From: Adam <alpineone@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: Prism, etc...
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.19980116104904.007fe620@mindspring.com>
Mike said:
>> Mike's replied to my open letter on the Jam, but still hasn't replied to me
>> personally and so I still don't know when/how/if I'm going to get my $75
>> bucks or the CDs that he owes my brother (VS and TDOW). I didn't want
> Workin' on that still, Adam. Yes, you're gonna get everything. I have a
>lot of backed-up e-mail still to go, but I ignore the Jam at my own
>peril. My fault entirely.
Glad to hear it. I admit, I certainly never meant to start this whole
fiasco when I posted that first message, but at least it's gotten some
problems addressed. I will definitely agree, tho', that you, especially,
have to watch the Jam regularly. I hope to hear from you soon.
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Adam Pye
alpineone@mindspring.com
http://www.mindspring.com/~alpineone
^^ Above URL for tapelist w/ setlists...
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:53:35 MET-2DST
From: "Patrick Sebel" <PATRICK@aowserver.phys.tue.nl>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: You or Me
Message-ID: <A960A275FB@aowserver.phys.tue.nl>
Hi,
last saturday I bought the Hollow years single. They had it just in
the store ! Since then I've only be playing one song: you or me.
]From the first keyboard tunes after the radio (the intro of the songs)
I really liked this demo version of You not me. Escpecially the
instrumental part starting at 3.00 is great, great keyboard changing
to a great guitar part.At the moment this instrumental part is one of
the greatest piece of music by DT.
Just to share my opinion. I guess the collaberation with Desmond
which changed You or Me into You not me, has been discussed enough.
Patrick Sebel
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:51:00 -0500
From: calfaro@caribe.net (Carlos Alfaro)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: DTIFC mail and I&W CD
Message-ID: <34BF8FF4.AFA75736@caribe.net>
HseJackBlt wrote:
> I decided to get a friend of mine I&W for graduation, because after years
> of converting he recently picked up FII. It turns out that the CD was
> actually AC/DC's Back In Black album. The actual physical CD was black and
> said Images and Words and listed the songs (I bought it new).
A friend of mine bought a RATT cd, and instead got Handful Of Rain!
He was very pleased!!
--In the stream of consciousness There is a river crying Living comes much easier Once we admit , We're dying. Dream Theater: Lines in the Sand http://premium.caribe.net/~calfaro mailto:calfaro@caribe.net mailto:progboy@mindless.com Universal Internet Number (ICQ) 1254229
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:02:18 MET-2DST From: "Patrick Sebel" <PATRICK@aowserver.phys.tue.nl> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Prism records Message-ID: <A985323ADA@aowserver.phys.tue.nl>
Hi,
I guess the subject of Mike/Prism records has been discussed more then enough and I can imaging people complaining about having to wait over a half year for their disc. I had to wait for about 7 months for my VS, but you'll never hear me complain. The discs are well worth waiting for.
Mike is making discs on a fan to fan basis, and you cannot compare this with online CD services. So you can expect some longer delivery times. Of cource Mike should reduce the delivery time and I'm sure he's working his a** off to reduce the back-logged CD's. If he doesn't do this, people (as already mentioned here) will hestitate ordering new discs, although they would like to have the discs. So for the continuinity of his businiss this is very important.
I hope this tread will gradually cease and not return for the next few months.
One last word to Mike: keep up the great work!!!
Patrick
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:03:51 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Jeffrey McEuen <mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: DTIFC mail Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95q.980116095952.18309A-100000@minnow.owlnet.rice.edu>
On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, HseJackBlt wrote:
> > Thought some people would like to know: I mailed out my DTIFC renewal > last Friday to the New York address, and it came back yesterday "Returned to > Sender, Box Closed" If anyone knows whether North American members should > mail directly to the UK, please inform the 'Jam.
The New York address has changed. According to the rsabbs page, it is now:
Dream Theater International Fan Club PO Box 20206 Greeley Square Station New York, NY 10001-0006
Hope this helps....
Mark McEuen mceuen@owlnet.rice.edu
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:22:40 -0600 From: "Matt Evans" <bmajik@abeln621a.unl.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3465 : Playstation/N64 NDTC Message-ID: <980116102241.ZM14577@goliath.unl.edu>
> But from what I was told, the processor alone in the N64 cost more > than the unit was being sold for (the processor is probably much > cheaper for them now) which is why N64 was predicted to fail... they > were already on a major loss with very few games out there. I would > assume the playstation system costs less to make, since it works like > a cd rom, but I'd bet it's not a significant profit. These companies > are making their dough on the games.
The N64 uses a MIPS R4300i chip. If i remember right it was well under 100 dollars in volume.
The N64 is a far more advanaced machine than any of the rest of them. Ironically enough, the Playstation uses a MIPS R2000/3000, i.e. a earlier generation chip from the same company. Playstation games do *not* cost 50-70 dollars per game. For a given game there is a one time cost of development, marketing and such (for that game. obviously programmers have a recurring salary, but each programmer doesn't collect royalties for each copy of a game sold, and programmers are working on other games after they get done with a game thats already on the market).
So the cost of a playstation game is basically the manufacturing process. So you have jewel case, cardboard box, CD pressing, and printing of instruction manual. Given that its sony we're talking about, im guessing top cost per game is 10 dollars. Everyone knows that *all* revenue in the console industry is made from the games, not the machines. How much does it cost to burn a CD ? about 2 dollars if you're doing it with a green CDR on a one time basis. If you're Sony, and you're pressing a few thousand at a time, what do you think it will cost :)
Anyway, more about the N64. SGI designed the whole thing. The goal was to make a 250 dollar machine that basically had graphics performance equivalent to the original reality engine equipped machines. SGI managed to pull it off. The processor alone is roughly equivalent to a P90. The graphics and audio subsystems offload a good deal of work from the CPU and are themselves the most impressive offerings on the market.
It really bothers me that anyone would buy a playstation given how breathtaking the capabilities and the games for the N64 are. I suppose its the "Button-Pounding Mortal Kombat" attitude thats taken over the gaming industry
For more info on the architectual superiority of the N64, check out www.mips.com or www.sgi.com
-- *********************************************************** * Matt Evans * * University of Nebraska, Lincoln work: bmajik@ntr.net * * Computer Engineering Major school: mevans@cse.unl.edu * ***********************************************************
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:27:04 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Holy shit! Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980116142517.16130A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Thu, 15 Jan 1998, Bernardo Pulgar wrote:
> Hi. I was born at 12:00 between Dec. 24th. and 25th. and this is not > bullshit. Now, this is real "holy shit" and I think you'll agree! > I'm sorry there is no DTC here.
Well, I was born on Sep 4th and there's absolutely nothing that I know of that happened in this date. Isn't it incredible? :-)
> Bye > BP
[]s, Roger, "the unimportant"... :-)
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:41:12 +0000 From: "Elvis" <elvis@som.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Rock 103.5 Message-ID: <2.2.32.19980116104112.008eac58@mail.som.com>
Rock 103.5 Chicago finally puts DT's "You not Me" & "Burning My Soul" in nightly rotation! Cool
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:48:53 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: DTIFC mail Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980116144713.16130C-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Mark Jeffrey McEuen wrote:
> The New York address has changed. According to the rsabbs page, it is > now: > > Dream Theater International Fan Club > PO Box 20206 > Greeley Square Station > New York, NY 10001-0006
Hummm... And I sent my Money Order to the old address... What would happen, then? If Neil were reading this, maybe he could send us a message and clarify everything...
[]s now desperate, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:46:00 -0500 From: "Tedesco, Matthew" <tedescom@BDD.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: DT Underoos Message-ID: <199801161640.LAA13957@bertelsmanncis.com>
to all:
i have decided to start selling dream theater underoos. i will personally handstitch the face of each DT member across you ass garments. they'll cost $100 dollars each, but because of sewing time and the anticipated backlog of orders, expect delivery sometime in the next 37 months. for an extra $10 per face, i will add all other members, or anyone remotely connected to DT, including kevin moore, his physician, kevin shirley, john myung's brother, derek's lover, the guy impersonating charlie on the 'net, and james' dealer, though anticipate an extra 6 months per face.
i pledge to you, my good and loyal customers, that i will post frequently concerning your orders, and every time someone mentions underwear, the guys in the band, ordering of any kind, or the air force one hijacking i prevented, i will be sure to post in response. each post, of course, will be longer than its predecessor.
you all rule.
oh, yeah, and please don't deal with me directly... i would prefer all posts to go through the jam.
thanks.
(yes, this was facetious, i do agree that it's ok to post about what mr. bahr <NOT CEO bahr> does, though the incredible amounts of loooooong wind from #3465 did shuffle the papers on my desk....)
=) =) =)
--MATt
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:04:08 EST From: Angus53 <Angus53@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: What Christmas CD? Message-ID: <6de7ac41.34bf9318@aol.com>
Do you have to be a member of a club or something to get this thing. If so, what club? I don't get shit in the mail, not that anyone would know to send it to me. Whats songs are on this CD? I'm in the dark on this shit. Help me out here.
Andrew
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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 1998 21:19:08 -0500 From: James Utz <james.utz@usa.net> To: "'ytsejam@ax.com'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Read: Bitching and more.... Message-ID: <01BD226E.92F63D80@dialup-3-31.prismnet.com>
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:50:51 -0800 (PST) From: Matt Johnston <matt2518@gladstone.uoregon.edu> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: DT Underoos Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980116104912.15235C-100000@gladstone.uoregon.edu>
On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Tedesco, Matthew wrote:
> > >to all:
to Matt:
Where are my underoos? I've sent you three e-mails concerning my underoos... it's been six years! Twice as long as you said! You won't answer any of my e-mails, and now I have to take it to the jam. Please respond!
^_^
--Matt
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:06:20 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: What Christmas CD? Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980116170405.16712A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Fri, 16 Jan 1998, Angus53 wrote:
> Do you have to be a member of a club or something to get this thing. If so, > what club? I don't get shit in the mail, not that anyone would know to send > it to me. Whats songs are on this CD? I'm in the dark on this shit. Help me > out here.
Yes, you have. It is a special CD distributed to every member of the International Fan Club (or other local headquarters). I don't know if joining the Club now you make you elligible to get one, though... That's another question we would like to get answered...
Hopefully, we have someone reading these 'jams...
> Andrew
[]s, Roger...
-- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Rogerio Brito - rbrito@ime.usp.br - http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito Undergraduate Computer Science Student - "Windows? Linux and X!" Bootleg/trade page: http://www.ime.usp.br/~rbrito/bootleg.html "Life is ours, we live it our way (...) / And nothing else matters" James Hetfield (Metallica), Nothing Else Matters =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:09:52 -0500 From: "Michael J. Emerson" <cthulhu@CYBERNEX.NET> To: "'Lifting Shadows Off A Ytse'" <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Winter Rose Message-ID: <01BD2288.6A5F0270@EMERSON>
can anyone tell me anything about the 'Winter Rose' CD? i saw it at a = record show last weekend, and i was wondering if it was worth getting...
thanx much!
mikE ____________________________________________________________
"If the future's looking dark, we're the ones who have to shine / If there's no one in control, we're the ones who draw the line / Though we live in trying times, we're the ones who have to try / Though we know that time has wings, we're the ones who have to fly..."
Rush -- "Everyday Glory", _Counterparts_
"Evil Villains, stand down from the funk." - Space Ghost
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:18:17 EST From: Angellaa <Angellaa@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3463 Message-ID: <a0a6d82b.34bfb27b@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-15 20:53:35 EST, you write:
<< Kevin Shirley wasn't around to make a few "subtractions" > while they were recording I&W. >>
who is this kevin shirley i keep hearing about i know by the letters he's some how linked to dt but who is he exactly? Angellaa
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:27:48 EST From: Angellaa <Angellaa@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3464 Message-ID: <58b4522e.34bfb4b6@aol.com>
In a message dated 98-01-16 02:16:09 EST, you write:
<< Attention Australian Fates Warning Fans - I just heard on the radio that Mark Zonder will be on JJJ (national radio station) giving an interview to 3 hours of Power tonight (fri) at 10 o'clock! *happy day* I'll be listening, and I'll keep everyone else posted if he mentions anything interesting. that's all Zajk >> Zajk i recently heard that kevin moore ( from dt ) plays on thier ( fates warning ) cd or plays with them. is this true and if so what cd's does he play on? and what cd's would you recomend of thiers? i've heard their very good. ( fates warning ) thanx Angella
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:51:54 -0500 From: Eric Rodger <erodger@fore.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Re: Kansas Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980116145154.00ea7100@mailhost.eng.fore.com>
> >>This might be true of when he was the only vocalist and frontman, >but on >>the last tour, Robby Steinhardt is back in the band, and taking the >>frontman position. Although they pretty much split the vocals, Steve >>was >>in the back behind his keys the whole time. The performance was >better >>with Robbie back, than the previous 4 times I've seen them without >him. > >Is Robby really back in the band??? Yippyyyyyyyyyyy! Can you tell me >who's playing in Kansas now? Can you tell me where can I find the >Kansas official web page? I've never seen them, and they're one of >my favorites. Kansas still kicks! >
When I saw last time, in August or September, the members were:
Robbie Steinhardt - violin and lead vocals Steve Walsh - keys and lead vocals Phil Ehart - drums Richard Williams - guitar Billy Greer - bass and vocals
4 of 6 original members - not too shabby. They also sounded better than any other time I'd seen them. Since Steve isn't singing everything, his voice sounded better, probably due to the rest. Their setlist was also the best I'd seen in the past 6 or 7 years, including such tunes as Journey from MariaBronn and Child of Innocence.
Anxiously awaiting the return of Kerry Livgren, KAI
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