YTSEJAM Digest 3492
Today's Topics:
1) eek i'm behind again.
by "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
2) desparately trying to catch up (el. & 12 str. guitars, soli,
by Anna & Heike Boedeker <boedeker@netcologne.de>
3) McLaughlin
by cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
4) MP3 Question (DT-related)
by CRAIG GRIFFITH <derfelt@usa.net>
5) UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: You wanna see Lemur Voice?
by Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
6) Re: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: You wanna see Lemur Voice?
by drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
7) Fave guitar solos
by "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au>
8) solos and such
by "Once, there was this normal boy..." <bolanddt@bigvax.alfred.edu>
9) Fav. Solo / King's X / FII Rejects
by "Tom Baddley" <tbaddley@ontheair.com>
10) Solos
by KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com>
11) Aqualung
by Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu>
12) Some fav solos haven't seen yet
by "beanvet" <beanvet@accessus.net>
13) Alex Skolnick and a big wet one
by "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu>
14) A guitar solow is good IMHO when it makes me
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
15) Sorry and clarification.
by Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net>
16) Re: Sorry and clarification
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:42:49 -0700
From: "woot" <woot@crypted.com>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: eek i'm behind again.
Message-ID: <000901bd27a0$3a9a8e20$622746cf@sir.micron.net>
the really cool DT windows 95 theme that i use is available on
http://www.crypted.com . There's also one on the dreg records page, but=
i
don't like that one as well. That, and Washburn authored it and they don'=
t
give him the credit. I'm not much inclined to support people who do stuff
like that, but that's just me i suppose.
It rolls down stairs
It comes not in pairs
Runs over your neighbor's foot.
It's great for a snack
And fits on your back
It's woot! woot! woot!
woot=99 from Blammo!=AE
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 02:49:07 +0100
From: Anna & Heike Boedeker <boedeker@netcologne.de>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: desparately trying to catch up (el. & 12 str. guitars, soli,
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980123024907.007ea320@mail.netcologne.de>
(1) 12 strings:
both Takamine and Guild are ok brands, I would simply check out both and
buy the one I liked best for the money I can afford :-)
(2) electric/beginner's level:
we've had a similar thread in Nov or Dec I think... the problem is one
often develops a real sense for which kind of guitar suits one's personal
style best after a bit of practise... though you can do some meditation on
where you want to be heading to and which type of guitar is most suited for
this purpose... like in case you're into DT like stuff you can call
yourself lucky as the 2nd hand market is swamped w/ 80s metal guitars
("enhanced strats" + Floyd Rose) like Ibanez, Jackson/Charvel, Hamer, ESP
etc. etc. More traditional Fender style guitars aren't a big problem
either, same w/ Gibson SGs. A good deal for Les Pauls seems to be somewhat
harder to find, not to speak of semi-acoustics and jazz guitars, not to
speak of specials like Rickenbackers (if you're into jangley sounds).
Soundwise you have to think of parameters like bolt-on (more attack and
definition) vs. set neck and neck-through (fuller sound) constructions,
choice of woods (alder for a typical Fender sound, mahogany is full, soft
and singing, basswood is somewhat tonally neutral [though anything but
sterile, just to prevent any misunderstanding here], koa is similar to
mahogany but more blossoming, poplar is similar to basswood though more
punchy, of ash there are extremely different qualities on the market,
ranging from heavy ash w/ a very full bass range but a somewhat rolled-off
treble range to light ash which has almost opposite tonal characteristics
[swamp ash is ash grown in an area w/ plenty of water, which the wood
looses when being dried, so this is very light] etc. etc.), pickups
'acourse...
though humbuckers definitely have more output and are the nonplusultra for
the typical metal sounds you e.g. might discover that single coils more
sensitively react to your playing. Their big disadvantage is they do hum,
for my personal taste even too much w/ improved shielding, but others can
live w/ it very well. But there are stacked PUs in SC format available and
also Humbuckers w/ the tonal characteristics of single coils, like the Di
Marzio Humbucker from Hell which JP formerly used. But PUs are no problem
to replace later on...
another consideration is, do you need a Floyd Rose for radical whammy
action, or will a less maintenance-intensive (and more sensitively
handleable) unit such as the Wilkinson do? Or still less problematic a
fixed bridge? The consideration here being also that a fixed bridge (the
nonplusultra here probably being the 2TEK) provides a better bass range and
more sustain. But again this is a modification you still could do later on.
What you can't change about a guitar that easily is the feel of the neck...
even if you're a beginner you can spare yourself a lot of trouble by
carefully checking out -- best assisted by a friend who plays guitar --
various shapes (D, V, oval C, flat C), fingerboard widths and also scales
(24" like e.g. on Fender Jaguars and Mustangs, 24 3/4" which is the typical
Gibson scale, 25" like on Paul Reed Smith and Carvin, 25 1/2" which is the
typical Fender scale like on Strats, Teles and Jazzmasters).
(3) soli:
what makes a good solo is as difficult to pin down as what makes a good
song or good music in general. Answers might be found on very different
levels...
Just instinctively my fav guitar soli are JP's on UAGM, and also the
Holdsworthesque of TOT... a real overkill of both emotionality and flashy
technique is Steve Vai's "Call It Sleep" and "For The Love of God"...
I had to laugh about the two basses thing b/c I once played in such a
band... I think it helped a great deal, though we had a role division like
I was almost exlusively playing fretless at that time and the other guy was
playing acoustic upright, that we both in other contexts played both
electric and double bass, so we knew what to mutually expect of each
other... and above all it really was fun!!! The range I filled probably was
something in between the traditional bass range and rhythm guitar like
functions -- what I tend to do in a three piece setting anyway, so nothing
new here. I mean, I might as well have picked up my guitar or synth (just
playing drums or perc I had had more difficulties :-)), but this way it
just was more interesting and colorful. To be true I don't even remember
whether I used this situation to solo more than usual as some 90% of my
playing is impro anyway :-) Guess it helps -- as always in life -- if one
is not to role-fixated :-) Though stuff pretty quickly might become a
cliche, just think of all those be bop style bass soli in the wake of Jaco
playing Charlie Parker's "Donna Lee"...
(4) Genesis:
I think for some time during the 70s they were one of the most renounced
prog bands along w/ Yes, for some reason, probably in the wake of Phil
Collins doing the same pursuing his solo career, they really went
commercial in the early 80s. While I wouldn't now call "Calling All
Stations" prog or a major step in returning towards these roots -- and also
I'm not likely to ever buy this CD -- it at least sounds better to me than
their previous releases. The irony is more about Phil Collins in the 70s
played in a band named Brand X which was still more prog, if not fusion,
than Genesis...
They also had very interesting fretless players like John Giblin and --
back then fretless God #2 next to Jaco -- Percy Jones.
If you're still looking for some source of inspiration for what to do w/
your bass, consider this one, too.
Best,
Heike
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:15:32 -0700
From: cluesump@sirius.com (Charoenkwan Luesumphan)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: McLaughlin
Message-ID: <v01540b04b0ed9ed9f5fa@[205.134.227.114]>
Roger wrote;
>Wow, just came from a friend's place and listened to a kick ass CD
>that Ptacek was raving about not so long ago. It's a CD by Al Di Meola,
>McLaughlin and De Lucia. It's a short *LIVE* CD (41 minutes). Very
>interesting material, definitely A MUST HAVE FOR PEOPLE INTERESTED in
>ACOUSTIC songs. I don't remember it's name, but it was something like
>"Live at night in LA" or something like this.
It is called "Friday Night In San Francisco", recorded live at the Warfield
Theater in SF in 1980. Not in LA, Roger. :)
The first song "Mediterranean Sundance/Rio Ancho" rules!
Take care,
AE
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 19:14:31
From: CRAIG GRIFFITH <derfelt@usa.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: MP3 Question (DT-related)
Message-ID: <19980123021431.14445.qmail@www02.netaddress.usa.net>
I downloaded the Burning My Soul demo from the site referred to on Under A Cyber Moon, and I can't get it to play right. It skips even when I set the buffer on Winamp to its highest level and pre-buffer it completely. Can anyone here help me?
Craig Griffith: Guitar player, high school student, King of Craigland
http://www.geocities.com/EnchantedForest/Dell/8509/
"I may make you feel, but I can't make you think" -Ian Anderson
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 13:40:47 +1000
From: Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: You wanna see Lemur Voice?
Message-ID: <4A256595.0013CCFF.00@nschq-e-navy.navy.gov.au>
> Um, I heard about Lemur Voice touring in the Europe area awhile back. But
> only because Marcel posted the tourdates here. :)
they *are* touring in their home country. you might wanna check
the url below <sublte hint> and see the whole 2 tourdates they have. :)
I think the point is that Magna Carta don't promote their bands as
well as one might expect.
How many bands on the MC label have ever toured and more specifically
toured the USA ?
I can only think of Enchant and that(I think) was after they left MC ?
graham
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:59:42 -0800
From: drkhoe@gms.gmsnet.com (Dr. Mosh)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: UNCLASSIFIED:-Re: You wanna see Lemur Voice?
Message-ID: <199801230259.SAA20206@gms.gmsnet.com>
On the Eve of Destruction, Graham.Boyle.149036@navy.gov.au said:
> they *are* touring in their home country. you might wanna check
>the url below <sublte hint> and see the whole 2 tourdates they have. :)
>
> I think the point is that Magna Carta don't promote their bands as
> well as one might expect.
You're absolutely right... more than record store distribution, not much
else happens... they do deal out some promos and stuff, but not
consistently... I think they need to dish out more press packages and promos
to college stations, progressive radio shows, and retail outlets who
specialize in prog rock/metal. They also need to make a better appearance
at prog festivals and shows... you didn't see Magna Carta at all at ProgFest
'97 or PowerMad... they need to sponsor their own events and stuff.
> How many bands on the MC label have ever toured and more specifically
> toured the USA ?
> I can only think of Enchant and that(I think) was after they left MC ?
Yeah, that had nothing to do with the record co at all...
-The Doc
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 14:10:50 +1100 From: "Rainer" <rpandean@mail.usyd.edu.au> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fave guitar solos Message-ID: <001301bd27ac$832a7d60$73384e81@rpandean.ucc.su.OZ.AU>
My fave guitar/bass solos in no particular order (trying to pick a little more obscure ones rather then the ones people have already posted):
Vitto Bratta - Pretty much everything he's done (great guitarist and great melodies shame about the band)
Yngwie - Hold On, Save our Love, You don't remember I'll never forget (proves all those who thinks he is just a technician wrong)
Rowan Robertson - Lock up the Wolves (underrated guitar player, blues based with a more modern feel and a few extra notes)
Marty Friedman - Pretty much everything on Scenes (Beautiful weird melodies) Cacophony - Floating World, Images
Jaco Pastorius - Portrait of Tracy (Great compostion and harmonics showcase) - A Remark You Made
George Lynch - Pretty much everything (great feel)
Randy Rhoads - Everything
Jake E. Lee - Pretty much everything
Allan Holdsworth - Needs no explanation
I know there are lots more, but these are the only ones my little brain can come up with right now (pathetic isn't it).
Regards,
Rainer
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:19:39 EDT From: "Once, there was this normal boy..." <bolanddt@bigvax.alfred.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: solos and such Message-ID: <009C0B0C.4ADBE360.2@bigvax.alfred.edu>
Ytsejammers, a short bass solo that is pretty nice is the VERY beginning of Testament's "Souls of Black". from what I can hear, the bass line is through the entire song...however, it's pretty well covered by the metal guitar. nice solo, though! also, look at some of the stuff by Stabbing Westward. a professor of mine here, an amateur bassist, was pretty impressed by it. I tried getting him to be a DT fan, but, to no avail! he admitted they were very gifted musically, but Phish and the Grateful Dead (and a band called Zero) are more to his liking! -a boy stuck in Alfred, NY!
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 18:33:43 -0700 From: "Tom Baddley" <tbaddley@ontheair.com> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Fav. Solo / King's X / FII Rejects Message-ID: <001701bd27af$0fd63ae0$13906420@ibm.net.tbaddley>
You guys have triggered so many good memories lately with the solo discussion. I had to pull out some of my old CD's and listen again.
Several of my favorite guitar solo heros/moments:
Gary Moore (Thin Lizzy) - Still in Love With You John Sykes (Thin Lizzy / Whitesnake / Blue Murder) - any ballad Elliot Easton (The Cars) - You're All I Got Tonight Steve Vai - Almost everything!...probably Blue Powder or Sisters Pat Travers - Prelude Ty Tabor - Anything w/ volume swells! Steely Dan session guitarists - almost every SD solo Of course, JP - UaGM, Another Hand, etc. etc.
As for the people discussing King's X, the Best Of King's X is a good way to find out what CD to buy next. Unfortunately, there are only 2 songs from each of their previous CDs, and 3 new songs. This will give you a taste of each CD, but not the full effect. You'll be able to hear the changes from their first (Out of the Silent Planet) to their most recent (Ear Candy). My attempt at a description of their sound:
King's X - Power trio. Bass / Drums / Guitar. Most of the guitar using drop-D tuning, very rhythm oriented, although not necessarily tons of time sig changes. Strong kick drum, particularly on _Faith Hope Love_. Very beautiful volume swell work on most CDs. Bass is thumpin, almost rattling at times. Until Ear Candy, Doug Pinnick used 5 string basses with lots of bottom. Very groove oriented; no solos. All three of these guys can sing! Jerry (the drummer) and Ty (the guitarist) have clear voices, great for harmonizing in a Beatleque sort of way. Doug, as most jammers realize now (LiTS), has a very powerful voice that leans towards a gospel sound on many of their earlier songs. Lots of raw emotion and range. He can also tame this voice for fantastic softer parts (listen to Cigarettes from Best Of). All wrapped up, King's X are not really progressive, or even necessarily metal...but they are one of the best overlooked bands still making great music.
This project with Ty Tabor / John Myung / Rod Morganstein / DerShe is going to be fantastic!! As is LTE!
One last thing. Thanks to Dr. Mosh, I've had a chance to hear the rest of the FII Demos. My nipple is that DT did the right thing with every song. Sure, YOM is a little less cheesy than YNM, but it's not as coherent, and doesn't rock nearly as hard. I do miss the radio/DerShe intro, though. TAMP, I'm kind of indifferent about. I'm not really crazy about either. The best version of TAMP I've heard is on a JP Guitar Clinic video. He leads in with a cool solo, and improvs (?) all over the last half of the song, much better than on the FII Demo. I just can't handle the chorus. The rest of the songs...well, I hear U2, Soundgarden, AiC, The Cure, etc...but not much DT. Cover My Eyes is the only song that I feel was strong enough to place on FII, although I have no idea which one I'd give up for it (probably TAMP). I could almost see CME as a single. It's really catchy and I love the vocal processing.
NP: Stanley Clarke - School Daze
Keep Jammin'
Tom Baddley
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:27:01 EST From: KEZCOM <KEZCOM@aol.com> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Solos Message-ID: <1a141d35.34c81c17@aol.com>
MY FIRST POST!!!!! Sorry for the sceaming, but I'm so excited!! Someone posted that one of their favorite solos was Thin Lizzy:The Cowboy Song. I'm so glad someone else feels that way, because that is one of the songs(and albums:Jailbreak) that originally got me hooked on guitar-based, kick-ass rock and roll. Also, IMHO, the song 'Emerald' from the same album has a MAJOR kickin' solo in it. Also, 'Still in Love with You' from their Live and Dangerous album has one of the most emotionally riveting solos that I can think of. One more: Pat Travers - Stevie(from Makin' Magic)....talk about playing with feeling!! Any of you other jammers ever into PT??
That's all for now. I hope to emerge from my lurking position more often now that I've broken the ice. BTW, I saw DT at The Ballroom in D.C. and at Jaxx in Va. and I want MORE. Sure hope they come again after Europe.
Jam away, Kez
P.S. Got one of MP's custom sticks after the show at Jaxx, and was so excited I had to tell everyone in the place. Do you remember some short-haired, four- eyed lunatic running around screaming "I GOT A STICK"? That was me. Also got to talk to Derek when he went up to the bar after the show. Really nice, humble guy(off-stage anyway).
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:33:23 -0500 From: Lobsterback <hender@wam.umd.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Aqualung Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980122233323.00734c5c@pop.wam.umd.edu>
>Jethro Tull - "Aqualung" - It's sort of a simple, blues based solo but >it really kicks ass and it gives me the chills every time I listen to >it. It's just so beautiful and smooth.
Ditto. And dunno how familiar you are with Tull live, but over the years, the song's just got better and better. Alright, maybe not Ian's voice, but the band itself, the 'arrangement' of the song. One of the more interesting versions I've heard is off a boot we treed on the Tull list (St. Cleve Chronicle) last year, "Roots To Bayreuth". Anyone interested in obtaining a dub of this boot (with cover art even), drop me an E-mail. We'll "deal".
Brian "Moneylender's Temple" Henderson
=========================== Name: W. Brian Henderson, Esq. Contact: hender@wam.umd.edu ROBOT-CENTRAL: http://www.wam.umd.edu/~hender/ ===========================
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 22:57:07 -0600 From: "beanvet" <beanvet@accessus.net> To: <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Some fav solos haven't seen yet Message-ID: <199801230502.XAA13697@postal.accessus.net>
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 23:54:57 -0500 From: "Alex O'Connell" <auocon@maila.wm.edu> To: ytsejam@ax.com Subject: Alex Skolnick and a big wet one Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980122235457.006cd320@maila.wm.edu>
>6. "Return To Serenity", Alex Skolnick...Skolnick got show off his more > emotional side with this one. Probably as good as PWYP, but they > are so different that I can't really compare them. The radio edit > had all the best parts cut out! Damned record companies.
I LOVE LOVE LOVE this song....aahhhh!! You know though, that the rest of the band wasn't happy with the way Alex's (wow, I share a nickname :) musical interests and such were going...he apparently didn't have the same "heavy" vision they did. Just some trivia.
Brian Larkin scribbled to my extreme happiness:
>1. JP - "Another World" (I think) - after "Now it's time for them . . .", >love the way this one just *builds*. Phrasing is EXCELLENT. >2. JP - "Another Day" >3. JP - "Afterlife" >4. James Hetfield - "Master of Puppets" >5. Steve Vai - "All About Eve" >6. Megadeth - "The Killing Road" >7. Alex Lifeson - "Limelight" >8. Testament - "Trail of Tears" >9. Dimebag Darrel - "10's"
DT, Metallica, Rush, Vai, MEGADETH, TESTAMENT... You are my new best friend, man. 'Nuff said.
Alex
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:29:58 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: A guitar solow is good IMHO when it makes me Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980122212816.15863A-100000@otter.mbay.net>
cry, laugh, snarl, kick walls, practice, grab a sig o tighter, get chills, wake up a bit more, etc.
"That is the truth. Not the hammer and sickle; not the stars and stripes; not the cross; not the sun; not gold; not yin and yang, but the smile... Because they died, we know we still live. Because a star explodes and a thousand worlds like ours die, we know this world is. That is the smile, that what might not be is." (John Fowles, The Magus)
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 1998 21:45:41 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Dedalus <mattb@mbay.net> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Sorry and clarification. Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.980122214403.15863C-100000@otter.mbay.net>
No offense to Ptacek or the word solows in my last post. The Maclaughlin/Dimeola/DeLucia live CD is Friday Night at San Francisco and the studio CD is Passion Grace and Fire.
"That is the truth. Not the hammer and sickle; not the stars and stripes; not the cross; not the sun; not gold; not yin and yang, but the smile... Because they died, we know we still live. Because a star explodes and a thousand worlds like ours die, we know this world is. That is the smile, that what might not be is." (John Fowles, The Magus)
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 04:06:15 -0200 (EDT) From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br> To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com> Subject: Re: Sorry and clarification Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980123040337.18418A-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Thu, 22 Jan 1998, Stephen Dedalus wrote:
> No offense to Ptacek or the word solows in my last post. > The Maclaughlin/Dimeola/DeLucia live CD is Friday Night at San Francisco > and the studio CD is Passion Grace and Fire.
Ooooops! The person who made a mistake was me. :-) And it was also me who talked about "solows". :-)
BTW, thank you very much for indicating the studio CD. I always prefer studio CDs before trying anything live. Since I listened to the live CD only once, I have not memorized everything that went there and I still can have surprises when I listen to it after I get the studio one.
[]s being corrected now, Roger...
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