YTSEJAM Digest 3415
Today's Topics:
1) re: Hartford
by Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
2) Re: songs on radio?
by Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
3) Review of Hollow Years single
by "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
4) FS: QR "Rage for Order" (NDTC)
by dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
5) Targeted Traffic Key to Your..
by press@fdata.com
6) Re: YTSEJAM digest 3414
by Dave <buster@ee.net>
7) info on liquid tension project
by Cooz33 <Cooz33@aol.com>
8) The LI Show-- Oh my Lord
by David Plotkin <dhplotki@students.wisc.edu>
9) Jaxx trip - A Mission From Prog
by "Brian P. Kelley" <bpkelley@mindspring.com>
10) The Way It Used To BLEAT!
by "Washburn" <washburn@cyberhighway.net>
11) Re: The Way It Used To BLEAT!
by Graham Boyle <icarus@sydey.net>
12) Angra unplugged
by John Hough <jhough@jps.net>
13) YNM on 96rock, Atlanta?
by "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
14) Set list spice up
by ClPuritan <ClPuritan@aol.com>
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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 20:07:16 -0500
From: Pat Sullivan <psull@ici.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: re: Hartford
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980105200713.0068c520@mail.ici.net>
>As always, good to see the gang (Brian, Julie, Ryan, Chris, Mike, and
>those who I must be forgetting) and to meet some new faces as well
>(Erica). Pat, where the heck did you run off too after the show??? Next
>time, bro!
Ditto from me for the 'jammers I met for the first time, and to the "old
farts". Always a pleasure. :)
I apologize for not hanging around after the show. Two of the people I rode
down with were DATing the show, and are understandably leery of hanging
around while they're still wired. Since they wanted to boogie right after
the show, I had no choice but to oblige. Next time, I'll have a new car and
I'll be able to drive *myself*, dammit.
But, the tape came out quite good, what I heard of it on the ride home. :)
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_____Pat Sullivan_____________________________________
E-Mail: psull@ici.net
WWW: http://www.ici.net/cust_pages/psull/psull.html
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______________________________________________________
It's not hard to meet expenses, they're everywhere.
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:19:48 -0200 (EDT)
From: Rogerio Brito <rbrito@dijkstra.ime.usp.br>
To: Multiple recipients of list <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: Re: songs on radio?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.980105231121.20126C-100000@dijkstra.linux.ime.usp.br>
On Mon, 5 Jan 1998, Mitchell Foy wrote:
> >>Pardon me, but, IMO, it is a completely different situation,
> >>feeling when you hear songs from your favorite (or top 10 favorites, for
> >>that matter) on the radio and when you put the CD in your player.
>
> You're right. There's the static, the dj's stupid comments, them cutting it
> off at the end...
Of course. There's also the emotion you get when there's someone
at your side that doesn't know of your favorite band and you're at his/her
side to tell them something about the band that's playing at the moment.
And many other factors involved. BTW, if you're so worried about
hearing what is "written on the CD, with no interference", forget it.
You'll never get into this utopic stage.
C'mon, you did understood what I meant on my original post. Being
so strict doesn't win you anything. There's no contest being run here.
[]s, Roger...
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 17:27:36 -0800
From: "Paul Gregory Humm" <humm@levy.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Review of Hollow Years single
Message-ID: <199801060130.RAA05714@baygate.bayarea.net>
I got the Hollow Years CD single today, and thought that those
jammers who are thinking about buying it might appreciate a review.
Track Listing:
1. Hollow Years (Radio Edit)
2. Hollow Years (LP Version)
3. You or Me (pre-Desmond Child version of You Not Me)
4. The Way It Used to Be (non-LP demo)
The Way It Used to Be is not terribly flashy (no blazing instrumental
parts except for a pretty cool guitar thing at the end), but it's a
very good song. The lyrics are by James LaBrie, and it clocks in at
a little under 8 minutes. Definitely a song that I'm glad to have on
CD.
You or Me is great! It is at least 100 times better than You NOT Me.
This recording confirms all of my suspicions about Desmond Child's
doctoring of the song. Before, I thought that _MAYBE_ Desmond hadn't
really changed too much, and that maybe it was just a weak song to
begin with. But no! Every single thing that I don't like about You
NOT Me was Desmond Child's doing (assuming that any changes between
this recording of You OR Me and the final You NOT Me are completely
his fault). I'll spare you a detailed analysis of the song, and just
say this: You OR Me sounds like a single, coherent Dream Theater
song, which flows smoothly from beginning to end. It's not their
best work, but not near their worst. You NOT Me (in my opinion)
sounds like it was loosely patched together from pieces of a really
bad Dream Theater song (if such a thing exists) and pieces of a
really bad Aerosmith song.
If you are interested in getting the Hollow Years CD single, Music
Boulevard (http://www.musicblvd.com) has it for $9.89 plus tax and
shipping. And they are running a special now on shipping -- only $1
per order in the United States (They also ship outside the U.S., but
I'm not sure what the rates are).
Paul
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Paul Humm
humm@levy.com
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:06:47 -0500 (EST)
From: dantemm@erinet.com (Dan Temmesfeld)
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: FS: QR "Rage for Order" (NDTC)
Message-ID: <v01520d02b0d708354d51@[207.90.119.23]>
I have the following CD for sale:
Queensryche "Rage for Order"
$9 - Postage _included_.
email: dantemm@erinet.com if interested.
Thanks for the bandwidth,
Dan
---+ +---
Dan Temmesfeld - dantemm (at) erinet (dot) com
Galactic Cowboys on the Web...muh!?
http://www.cedarville.edu/student/s1133627/gcowboys.htm
---+ +---
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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 22:06:11 -0500
From: Dave <buster@ee.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: YTSEJAM digest 3414
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19980105220611.0068a710@ee.net>
>What a load of fucking bollocks, you speak for all the dedicated fans ?
>I don't think so, I concider myself to be a 'dedicated fan' and I like
>every song on FII, granted some more than others.
>If you can only find '20 or 30 minutes of bliss' then that's your
>problem :)
>
>graham
I second that emotion :)
Buster
http://users1.ee.net/buster/
http://www.dhpc.com/ryche/
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:04:28 EST
From: Cooz33 <Cooz33@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: info on liquid tension project
Message-ID: <4728ddd3.34b1ad7f@aol.com>
can anyone tell me when liquid tension project will be released?
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:19:48 -0500
From: David Plotkin <dhplotki@students.wisc.edu>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: The LI Show-- Oh my Lord
Message-ID: <v03007800b0d752931c3c@[144.92.210.152]>
I have no doubt that there are others on this list who witnessed the show
that can offer a much more detailed account of the historic event that took
place on Sunday. Much better than I could anyways. My friends, I've had the
distinctive pleasure of seeing DT 5 times besides this on the FII tour, as
well as a number of times in the past. This show was the epitome of them
all, bar none. As always, it was an absolute pleasure seeing all the
jammers, those whom I've seen before and whose names I remember (D-Man,
Syrinx, Wild Koba, and Rachael), and those whom I just plain forgot. Sorry
to those few.
While some may frown on the fact that I ate some mushrooms prior to the
show, this experience was truly magical. Highlights for me were as follows:
1. Letting it be known, both aloud and to Syrinx, that the rhythm guitarist
of Big Wreck looks to me like Alex Lifeson circa Moving Pictures. When I
said it aloud initially it got a good laugh, especially from some Jammers;
my attempt to become a comedian has been furthered. Thanks guys :)
2. Liquid Tension-- prior to Big Wreck's performance, this was played. Boys
and girls, the music is sickening. Guaranteed to be illegal in some
selected states :)
3. Trail of Tears
4. Voodoo Chile Jam-- JP. Nuff said.
5. Demos-- boy oh boy, Raise the Knife and Where Are You Now are so
overwhelmingly good.
6. Trail of Tears
7. Take Away My Pain-- I happen to favor the mix of the older and newer
versions of the song than what's on the album. Such emotion
8. Trial of Tears
9. Seatbelt portion of Ytsejam-- good thing there are such things as
airbags to ameliorate the impact :)
9. Did I mention Trail of Tears??-- I was brought into one of the most
tizzying frenzies of my life during this piece, and notably the climax at
the end of Derek's instrumental. A moment I'll never forget. I can now die
with a contented heart.
10. The "Rock N Roll" interlude during Metropolis-- very well done by
Not-Cornell
11. And the moral of it all-- vegetables for everyone remain on the floor
after the show from the earlier attack of Big Wreck by Portnoy and friends.
Cheers to all for a happy and prosperous new year.This certainly gets
things off to a wonderful start.
DP
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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 23:41:54 -0500
From: "Brian P. Kelley" <bpkelley@mindspring.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Jaxx trip - A Mission From Prog
Message-ID: <199801060441.XAA16416@camel8.mindspring.com>
6:00 on a Saturday morning, Atlanta:
Cashman, his friend Chris, and your roaming reporter here leave the ugly
city limits of The Big Peach to a destination of "dreamy" proportions:
Springfield, VA. Only an overturned rig, a blizzard, or a could get in
our way! We were on A MISSION FROM PROG. With a fresh YtseJam sticker on
the back window, we were packed up and heading to Jaxxville! :)
A couple pre-show travelling notes:
* As Paul had stated during the trip, Greenville, SC must receive the most
insufficient funding from the DOT of any city in the nation. I swear
they've been working on this 3-mile stretch for over 20 years.
* What's the deal with the excess of wacky personalized license plates in
VA? One of my favorite ones was a long white sedan reading "NANNIES"
(driven by -- you guessed it -- Katherine Hepburn and Jessica Tandy). Well
that's who they looked like! :) They had a little "pep in their step" as
they dared to drag with us. But this Honda wasn't about to surrender to
NANNIES!!!!
* Traffic along I-95 around and north of Richmond is THE WORST!!!! You
would swear that there was some six car pile-up or something ahead. Plus,
this being the end of the New Years' holiday, everybody was cruisin' back
home. Either that or it was gonna be one hell of a Ytse-gathering! ;)
Found an Econo Lodge several exits before Exit 169B Springfield, unloaded
some stuff, and headed to Jaxx. Had no problem with the directions, even
though the pizzeria was unfairly dwarfing the concert venue. Apparently
there was no outside marquee to tell you it was Jaxx. Met several cool
people while waiting in line for doors to open. Around this time it was
about 6:15 PM and though driving what seemed forever, this Atlanta crew was
wound up and ready!!! Met the "Great Bafu" up there but didn't run into Pat
D. Plenty of people from VA, MD, PA, and NY though! Even met this guy from
Huntsville, Alabama who e-mailed me before the trip. Small world, huh?
Once inside the concert area, you couldn't help to notice that this show was
gonna crank out some serious decibels!!! This place must be 1/3 of the size
of Masquerade, but the sound would be 3 times as awesome too!
It seemed like an eternity waiting for Big Wreck to come on. I must admit
that I was saying, "Well let's get them on and get them the hell out!" But
during their set, I was just astounded. The guitarist/lead singer was twice
as good than in Atlanta as well as the sound. Everything just seemed to
click and this audience seemed more appreciate of their playing. They
really, REALLY impressed me this time!! The bassist did his slapping thing
during one part and the guitarist had just a blistering solo. I was jamming
hard to them and actually wanted them to play one more song, but they had to
make way for 'da boys! That's alright, though! I'm sure we'll be hearing
more of this band sometime soon -- still, I can't shake that Chris Cornell
resemblance! :o
The Liquid Tension Experiment material before BW was just awesome. Heard it
in Atlanta of course, but this time was able to hear it more clearly.
Before DT, it was the same deal: RTK, TWIUTB (I really love this song!),
Rooster, and Clockwork and then.... duh! duhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!! Derek walks
out with his irresistable Rocky Horror pose and OFF WE ARE! (Btw, DS is
really a cool guy! He's not as weird as people think :)
Personally, I thought it was a better crowd here than at Masquerade (mainly
less young kids -- durn whippersnappers ;). The boys just rocked the place
down and the set was somewhat the same (yet twice as awesome) with a few
exceptions:
The Silent Man
You Not Me (thought it was first time played, but done previously)
Lie
Metropolis Encore w/Nirvana's Come As You Are, sung by MP of course :)
Didn't do Scarred and dropped a couple sections from ACOS (added Carpe Diem,
I think!)
Man, I couldn't believe they did Lie (I was going APESHIT!!!) and YNM as
well. Silent Man was a pleasant surprise too! It was cool to hear an
electric version finally! LaBrie was just on fire again and MP seemed twice
as intense and brutal on his kit! Shit, that dude can pound some serious
skins! Petrucci seemed a little more receptive to the crowd yet still had
that trademark stare down pat. He must have fun doing that! I couldn't see
Myung well from where I was, but he sounded fat and beefy coming off those
MesaBoogie amps! Other highlights included a hand behind the drum riser
moving the mic away from MP's face periodically, LaBrie rolling his eyes
during the "Kurt Cobain" verse in JLMB (I thought that was funny!), MP
throwing a stray towel right on Derek's head.
Outside the venue afterward, everybody except for JM and JP came out --
sorta bummer! :( There was not adequate lighting outside and there was
all this spilled diesel fuel or something around their bus. We were behind
the Mobil gas station so go figure! Fans could've slipped out there if it
wasn't for a piece of shag carpet (from Derek perhaps?) layed down several
feet from the bus. Good thing though, the Mobil was still open when we all
got out -- needed some H2O and replenish my Vitamin C level. All they were
selling inside was beer (no water) and I wasn't about to move from my spot.
The security (or "yellowshirts" as I called them) warned us that we were now
"trespassing" once the guys had retired to the bus. Looks like JM or JP
still weren't gonna come out!
Afterwards we had a late-night breakfeast at a nearby Denny's. Met Tory
Lynn, who runs the Queensryche IRC chat room and a few of her friends. Paul
probably remembers the name of that tall red-haired dude who had the "Lost
In The Sky" and other CDs, for I can't off-hand. Service was actually very
quick, though the sausage was a tad undercooked. No matter, Chris had fun
impersonating Mr. Hanky the Christmas Poo with one of those raw links. We
ate, laughed, and squaked about practically every known music band in the
world (or so it seemed!) All in all, a really fun time and truly wonderful
people. Hope all of them had safe trips back to their respective homes.
And hope to see them again "another day".
On our way home Sunday, we vowed to stop at (you guessed it!) Southpark
Boulevard just outside Richmond. Saw it on the way up but had to make time.
Couldn't resist, we had to take some snapshots of the highway sign and the
entrance to Southpark mall. And as Paul said, yes that must be the most
screwy turn-off ramps I've ever come across. The ultimate Southpark
highlight was seeing a young kid in Burger King wearing an "Oh My God! They
killed Kenny!" shirt. Thought I saw Chef somewhere in the back making
Whoppers but... NAAAH!!! it couldn't have been! ;)
One other thing: We knew we were heading in the right direction once we came
across the James River. And high praises to Cashman for bringing some
killer prog CDs -- finally got to hear Fates APSOG, Enchant, Superior --
sound awesome, Angra, etc. Also had the Hollow Years single, just
awesome!!! The only problem is now I need to BUY all these and I'm
virtually broke!! :O Oh well, it was worth the trip. Look forward to the
next one!
Cheers to DT for superb playing and all their fan support. Keep up the
great work, guys!!! :)
Take the time,
Brian
If Belushi and Akroyd were DT fans, living in Atlanta naturally:
DA: "It's 620 miles to Springfield! We got a full tank of gas, half-pound
of smoked turkey, it's morning, and we're wearing Ytse-shirts!"
JB: "Hit it!"
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 22:31:42 -0700
From: "Washburn" <washburn@cyberhighway.net>
To: <ytsejam@ax.com>
Subject: The Way It Used To BLEAT!
Message-ID: <01bd1a64$5ef97360$93e21ace@korgx3>
>say this: You OR Me sounds like a single, coherent Dream Theater
>song, which flows smoothly from beginning to end. It's not their
>best work, but not near their worst. You NOT Me (in my opinion)
Not to be confused with You Nor Me, which in predicate would determine that
the song would be absolutely pointless, because if it ain't about your nor
me, then who is it about and why should we care? Was the song pointless to
begin with? What is James singing? Napalm my back? Ship on my shoulder?
Did Mike get stuck on top of the ferris wheel and pee his pants? hahahah.
I'm bored. Welcome me back with open flames. :) I probably missed more
than I should have. Welcome me back with open flames. :)
The Most Frequent Poster hath returned, brothers!
The Noble Washburn Ecksthrey, Master Swordsman.
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Date: Tue, 06 Jan 1998 17:31:59 +1000
From: Graham Boyle <icarus@sydey.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Re: The Way It Used To BLEAT!
Message-ID: <34B1CFDF.AB03C008@sydey.net>
Washburn wrote:
> Not to be confused with You Nor Me, which in predicate would determine that
> the song would be absolutely pointless, because if it ain't about your nor
> me, then who is it about and why should we care? Was the song pointless to
> begin with? What is James singing? Napalm my back? Ship on my shoulder?
> Did Mike get stuck on top of the ferris wheel and pee his pants? hahahah.
> I'm bored. Welcome me back with open flames. :) I probably missed more
> than I should have. Welcome me back with open flames. :)
No flame from me, I thought this was rather funny......
But then again if it's a flame war you are looking for, you
have come to the right place....
Guess they let you out for the weekend....
graham
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Date: Mon, 05 Jan 1998 23:08:39 -0800
From: John Hough <jhough@jps.net>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Angra unplugged
Message-ID: <3.0.3.32.19980105230839.0069ad58@mail.jps.net>
Was this post for real or was this just someones idea of what a cool Angra unplugged
cd would list like? I am seriously interested in this...
<bold><italic><underline>John Hough
</underline> jhough@jps.net
Check out the "music" section for
samples from great new bands.</italic></bold>
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Date: Mon, 5 Jan 1998 23:18:46 -0800 (PST)
From: "Paul W. Cashman" <vanyel@crl.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: YNM on 96rock, Atlanta?
Message-ID: <199801060718.AA29967@crl.crl.com>
I've heard from a friend that YNM has been played on 96rock in
Atlanta, so you Atl. locals (and others :)) feel free to give them a
call and request it. 404-741-9696. Gee, guess it's that Desmond
Child magic.... (Hey, it worked for Hanson.... :)
Those who dislike these "woah, DT on the radio" posts: sorry, but
these are rare events that need to be noised around. DT needs all the
radio help they can get.
--
+-- I know it's easier to walk away than look it in the eye.... ---+
| I would raise a shelter to the sky... (Dream Theater, |
| And here beneath this star tonight I lie.... "Surrounded") |
+- Paul W. Cashman vanyel@crl.com www.crl.com/~vanyel ICQ 4151223 +
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Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 02:27:11 EST
From: ClPuritan <ClPuritan@aol.com>
To: ytsejam@ax.com
Subject: Set list spice up
Message-ID: <1fcb831a.34b1dcd1@aol.com>
Hey All,
I totally agree with Mark Metzgar that DT should spice up their set list. My
first DT concert was the second EL N GEE show on the Home for the Holidays
tour (the one not mentioned on the t shirt) and my second show was the Fix for
96 show at Toad's a year later. Well they only played two songs, PMU and Lie,
at both shows. (They played Caught in a Web at one show and Caught in Alice's
Nine Inch Tool Garden at the other.) I was really impressed that they had
utilized such different set lists. Now I have seen DT 3 times on the Touring
into Infinity tour (New Haven, Boston, and Hartford) and I have loved every
show, yet I have been a little upset at the lack of surprises in the set list.
Juggle around the order some more, throw in different old songs, play
different songs from FII, such as ToT, or even AL. I don't want to sound like
I am complaining; all of the shows have been great, however I'd like to hear
different songs. Many of us in the crowd had seen the other shows as well so
I am sure that variety would have been appreciated by others as well. This is
just my humble opinion.
Mark
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